They had King Tigers, first jets (Me-262) first assault rifles (Stg44) And the most advanced subs (Type XXI).
Was German technology really superior in WW2, or was it just a myth?
They had King Tigers, first jets (Me-262) first assault rifles (Stg44) And the most advanced subs (Type XXI).
poltroony cope
>King Tigers
That one was trash. The Tiger I was good for its time.
>Me-262
Rushed and bad.
Wasn't the King Tiger too complicated?
Too complicated? it was a simplified Tiger I with a serious weight problem. Too late.
>Serious weight problem.
Ah, it was Extra Thicc.
Samurai Jack memes are like 6 years old at this point my man. Stop.
Great show, shut the frick up.
No heavy bombers, no surface navy, no carriers, no amphibious capability, no mass motorization, no proximity fuses, no mass produced semi-auto rifle, no intel/counter-intel network, no nukes.
>No heavy bombers
me264, he177
A myth. Have to build up your enemy to make you soldiers feel good when they win against them. Kraut generals were always raging about the quality of US and Brit equipment.
>me264
all three of them
>he177
imagine building over a thousand pieces of shit that didn't work. thanks for wasting all the time and material instead of using it for something worthwhile to the war effort, Hans.
>P-47 strafes a Tiger tank
Aaaannnd does no damage at all with it's shitty 50'cal guns. I swear, Americans had the most outdated/outgunned aircrafts in WW2. Every fricking western nation had 20mm cannons by 1940, and Germans even had 30mm by 1943.
>What was the P38
>Aaaannnd does no damage at all
hey schizo
Why would we need 20mm cannons when we weren't taking on bomber formations? It's cheaper and just as effective to have 6 .50s.
logistically simpler maybe, but not as effective, effective enough that with the other issues the luftwaffe was suffering it didnt matter but 20mm cannon were better for all targets even single engined fighters
>but not as effective
there's no evidence to support this
massed machine guns are for killing bombers
every WW2 fighter AND postwar fighter moved up to cannons for the simple reason that it's objectively superior
the USAF was stubborn and took the longest to change, but the USN switched to 20mm from the Bearcat onwards
why are you samegayging again, schizo?
why are you refusing to address the facts, and resorting to ad hominem?
also I'm not the other guy
lol you didnt even watch a 2 second webm, you saw the title and instantly got triggered
anon that's a horse
no its a tiger
German technology was trash because of how much it cost. Any wunderwaffe with 200% performance for 1000% cost is trash.
This is why most modern NATO tech is trash, despite outperforming all competition in 1v1 scenarios detached from reality. Projects like F-35 and LCS are vaporware unsuited for real wars because of that. Dumb people have a very hard time wrapping their heads around it, but that's how it is. 10 Sherman tanks are better than 1 Abrams. 10 Mig-29s are better than one F-35.
We need to bring back the "high-low" mixes again.
fu sprey, you're already dead
The US is going to build the same number of F35s as it did F16s for itself (about 2-3k, another 2k were exported however), about 2,500 of them. Shit we still have something like 1,000 F16s left over even 30 years after it started to get phased out.
> 10 Sherman tanks are better than 1 Abrams
I mean the Bradley is basically just a Sherman with the ability to store infantry inside, and it's killed more tanks than the Abrams had
>the Bradley is basically just a Sherman
wut
Look, anon, the Abrams is just a Renault FT with a faster shell! What's so hard to understand about this?
It has the same armor thickness.
>F-35 carries ten missiles
>now there are 0 Mig-29s
What did we learn, moron?
PIERRE SPREY!
Ik ur memeing but the MiG-29 was always meant for point defense of air bases, the F-35 btfos it as an interceptor
>10 Mig-29s are butchered one-sidedly by one F-35
FTFY. Spreytards lost.
if their navy wasn't so shit it wouldn't be a problem
Yes it was, just looking at the Luftwaffe from the first Messerschmitt Bf 109 all the way to its later model the Focke-Wulf Fw 190. They ruled the skies. Same as their dive bomber the Junkers Ju 87 or »Stuka«. Not much dif. when it came to the Tanks and Mech. but as time went on, some started to go overboard. They skipped on developing a Medium Bomber and rather just went with a »bigger« version of the Stuka which strongly relied on Ally Air Superiority for its attack angle and speed after the drop made him and easy target to intercept by enemy fighters. Same story with their tanks, their Medium Tank was good and able but no we need/want an 88mm gun mounted on a tank … and so the Tiger was born. But even here, there was more than 1 model. They couldn’t get it stable and ended up simplifying it. Some of the tech. they were trying got implemented into the car industry in the early 90's. So yea, they were ahead of time but they rushed far too much and as a result started to burn out. They had new ships, planes, tanks in dev. But simply ran out of time and resources. They were even building their own CV and experimenting with a nuclear reactor maybe even the first steps to building a bomb to be used by the V3 project. However bigger is not always better and one of the major problems was serial production. The more complicated you make a machine to be the longer and more expansive it gets. Most tech that came out after the war was a result of German scientist which was taken over by the US and Soviets. The AK-47 was a German design and more but … you can read or watch all of it if you really desire. I am merely scratching the surface.
>They ruled the skies
>couldn't even get air superiority over Bongland
lol lmao
True, but the Brits did have their Radar and by no means did they fend of the German Air Raids alone. Half if not more of the pilots that were stationed in the UK were not Brits, but US volunteer, Polish resistance and alike. However I did say that started making stupid decision, one of them was as well the lack of fly time for their bombers and escorts. Yet they did not address it coz of the pride of the individual leaders competing for glory.
Same went on with the German Aces, yet still Erich Hartmann - the all-time ace of aces - flew a total of 1425 missions in four years for his 352 victories.
The RAF won alone, deal with it germshit
>Half if not more of the pilots that were stationed in the UK were not Brits, but US volunteer, Polish resistance and alike
less than 30% of which exactly 11 were american pilots.
>The AK-47 was a German design
No, it wasn't. You are a fricking cretin.
Like how the Tu-4 is a Russian design?
That is a different case.
Or the BT tanks?
It actually was. Not only did the soviets attain the plans and all the research on it with working examples, they literally used the guys responsible for designing and building it in the development of the first AKs. And guess what, the same guy who had the most to do with designing the Stg44 also built the MP28 and MP18, which again. The soviets directly actually physically copied and eventually made the PPSH out of it.
No, it was not. It was an entirely different weapon.
You are factually wrong. It, like the MP18 copies, and even the Stg45, Mauser and Luger copies was built off of the Stg44 template. Most weapon innovation of from ww1 onwards started with the Germans directly even afterwards as war prize scientists in the US, UK, and USSR. It's hardcore soviet cope when you point out these truths.
No, You dumb frick. Ak47 is working with an entirely different design.
see
Historically incorrect and revisionist moron.
It was a different gun, you idiot
It was the same shit, designed by Germans in the USSR from a German designed gun. And then rubber stamped a glorious USSR original by the state organs. With the ppsh they even copied the round.
>duuuuh it hab curbed clipazine id da same gun
Keep being an ignorant zigger tier logic Black person. It was and is forever the legacy of the Germans. Schmeisser had more to do with the AK than kalishnikov, which is superbly ironic. Historical revisionism is rampant in the US, russia, and the UK because it hurts their ego to point out most of their shit after the war was German. The head of NASA was a fricking Nazi scientist at one point. The designs that lead to the soyuz were made by Germans, actual prisoners of war made to work for the soviets until the mid 50s.
No, you are just a dumb fricking nig nog. Ak47 was a different design, not to mention a superior one to the shitty stg 44.
Keep coping in your delusions. You can take both of them apart and lay them out, and everything you look at was designed by Schmeisser (for the AK in person, in russia).
nta, and I'm no zigger, but you're fricking wrong. The soviets copied the "assault rifle" CONCEPT of the StG44, but mechanically the AK47 was a totally different mix of other designs (and also a way better gun).
zigger cope. It was not the concept. What part of Schmeisser was a prisoner of war in Russia until the 1950s working at Izhevsk on improving his own earlier design (the Stg44). Do you NOT comprehend.
"The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations. Kalashnikov decided to design an automatic rifle combining the best features of the American M1 Garand and the German StG 44"
Might want to use Google ... was like my first hit lol
Weird because when I looked it up I found the exact opposite you dumb wehraboo shitstain
Maybe you do not know how to use Google? Here is a guide to help you >searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search
And don't worry, we all do mistakes.
How about instead lookup how Hugo Schmeisser (the man who designed the Stg44 and MP18) was interned in the USSR to build and design guns for them (including and most especially the AK). The cope about how the AK was finished at a different factory from the one he was at is BS because like with the soviet rocket program, the German scientists designed shit in one place and the soviets secretly built it at a separate facility to keep the Germans out of the loop on final tweeks and field tests.
On a tactical level they were ahead in some instances, but a lot of their early successes was unironically dumb luck, especially with the French going full moron. Barbarossa showed all the flaws they had at its worst, and once they actually got into a sustained conflict and lost initial momentum is when cracks started appearing everywhere. America unironically was the most advanced if you look at shit that was actually fielded en masse and standard issue, Germany may have had crazy prototypes but much of them were either born out of desperation or just so some scientists/engineers could score brownie points with the NSDAP. And for everyone they had who was like Rommel, they had many more who were either dumbasses or just gloryhounds. Hitler was a spud who wanted to shoot his shot far too early (Mussolini b***hed about it IIRC) and tried to go on an autism crusade as opposed to forming a steady anti Soviet bloc in Europe, which went about as well as one would expect. And even if lend lease didn’t happen, they still would have froze and been shot down over the Atlantic en masse all the same when they did.
Mechanically its pretty much the M1’s cousin, really. The STG shit is mostly just surface aesthetics, which is bound when literally every fricking weapon of the time was either metal, wood, or wood and metal.
>Mechanically its pretty much the M1’s cousin, really. The STG shit is mostly just surface aesthetics
there are some similarities, the bolt carrier layout, the gas piston and tube as well as the face of the bolt with that characteristic flat shelf on the bottom for stripping rounds from the magazine.
M1 is definitely a bigger influence, though.
>Ruled the skies
>Americans kill 780,000-1,100,000 Germans just raping them from the air because they literally cannot do shit to stop it.
Uhh... Does someone want to tell him why every building in Dresden is from after 1945m
>look we managed to win against those morons and with only a 10 to 1 Population advantage guys. We are truly the most bravest and smartestest people
so they did not, in fact, rule the skies? why are you coping?
They were nowhere close to getting a nuke.
Their industry in general, while good, paled in comparison to the US. Their big thing with VW was trying to catch France for most cars per capita before the war at 1:20 households. They failed. America was already over 1:4.
Imagine declaring war against a country with a vastly larger population and vastly greater production per person and industry while you are already losing another war lol.
>Their industry in general, while good, paled in comparison to the US.
that's everyone. US so outproduced everyone else it;s not even funny. by the end of 1941 US were producing as much as the next two industrial nations - Germany and UK combined and by next year that increased to all 3 other major nations combined, which continued that way through the rest of the war.
The British alone made more tanks throughout the war than the Germans. Just think about that, Germany, with the industries of all their seized territories couldn't beat a tiny fricking island. Let alone the Russians and Americans, who dwarfed Britain.
German heavy industry was a fricking joke for how developed the country was.
>Germany, with the industries of all their seized territories couldn't beat a tiny fricking island
the tiny island was controlling like a fifth of the world with its colonies, don't fricking undersell them.
also, German plane production far outpaced their tank production.
They made more tanks than Germany in the 1939-40 period and ended the war having produced about half as many AFVs as them in total so this is either moronlore or you're a Vickers VI supremacist and stopped reading after the lads' trip to France/Crete/Norway didn't go as planned
>They ruled the skies
no
early Bf109s were on par with Hurricanes in performance and actually undergunned
the 109 line peaked with the F, the G was downright unwieldy
the Fw190 was a good German response to the Spitfire
but even upgraded it was only adequate as an interceptor, and couldn't outfight later models of Spitfire and the late-war heavies the Typhoon, Thunderbolt and Mustang
>Ju 87
was inferior to the Dauntless, which is possibly the best dive bomber of the war
>US volunteer
a grand total of six Americans, or about two per Fighter Group
>Polish resistance
145 pilots out of 3,000 in total
of which about 2,400 were British
>11 were american pilots.
the RAF recognises six as having flown at least one combat sortie
So only around 600 were foreign pilots out of the 3000 active pilots in the early 40's? I always thought the Brits were struggling hard with replacements.
>I always thought the Brits were struggling hard with replacements
the Luftwaffe thought so too!
but actually the RAF won the attrition war in the Battle of Britain, building more fighters and training more pilots than the Luftwaffe could
in fact, Churchill was carried away in his romanticism of the matter, his "Never was so much owed by so many to so few" originated from a visit to a Chain Home group station, but he thought all of the RAF was displayed on the map; in fact it was only 1 fighter group out of 3, and a 4th was in reserve in Scotland. so ol Winston might well have underestimated RAF fighter strength by a factor of 4:1!
Chain Home was good but a big part of it was home ground advantage; they could choose to engage the Luftwaffe not over the Channel but the instant the German aircraft hit the coast and thereby ensure that their bailouts landed in English fields while Luftwaffe bailouts became POWs
the Luftwaffe just gave up without really acknowledging that they had bitten off more than they could chew; jagd commanders unironically just kept going "two more weeks!" over and over and losing more and more pilots and fighters until they just stopped
nobody dared report the truth to Goering and Goering himself who can't have been a fool didn't dare tell Hitler; Hitler swept it all under the carpet because he too was culpable in insisting on Sealion (which defeating the RAF was supposed to enable) and said "let's look at Russia" and everybody pretended nothing happened
>I always thought the Brits were struggling hard with replacements
Not really. They upped their recruitment to account for attrition, both because they were taking losses and because the British had overestimated the size of the Luftwaffe. They didn't know it at the time, but they won the attrition war quite handily. That would have knock-on effects throughout the war. Having more pilots survive meant they could be used to train their replacements, as well as give feedback on aircraft design which were areas the Luftwaffe would later suffer in.
The Germans had, for their part, severely underestimated the size of the RAF and threw everything at the wall thinking that they could break through with just one more push. Hindsight as they say is a b***h.
Performing better and struggling aren't mutually exclusive.
On the other hand, their radars sucked when compared to Allies, their nuclear program was a joke, they didn’t have proximity fuzes, and many of their seemingly-imposing weapons weren’t really that good outside theoretical 1vs2 void.
Not gonna deny that they had some solid and influential ideas, like V rockets (shit weapons, but very important for rocketry as a scientific field) and assault rifles, but it just annoys the frick out of me when people latch to Tigers or V rockets and then jerk off to supposed German tech superiority.
*1vs1 void
I don't know, but they sure looked cool. Especially the tanks
Why do you keep making these threads just to seethe about Germany lately? It's been going on for a while now.
You're like a warrior/armatard obsessed with Germany, except that Germans don't get annoyed enough to the point of naming you.
I wonder if you'll be doxed by next year like the others or if you'll continue flying under the radar because your target audience just isn't bothered as much by the slander.
>the most advanced subs (Type XXI)
that is certainly a clear win
although it has to be said Walther sub tech was not unknown to the Allies, they just didn't prioritise its development
still, credit where it's due
the Wehrmacht also should be credited for operationalising if not downright inventing Sturmgeschutz assault guns, Sturmpanzer self-propelled howitzers, and armoured personnel carriers
although these tech advancements were quickly copied by the Allies, they do deserve credit for coming up with the idea first
German technology was only superior in fields during the war the rest was either equivalent or slightly behind what the western allies had
What the Germans and to an extent Italy took advantage over the allies were superior soldiers
Some things were superior some weren't.
The Type XXI was plagued with design faults, arrived too late in the war to do anything useful and didn't sink a single ship. The Allies captured examples and it was influential in post-war designs notably the Soviet Whiskey and Zulu class (so good job there Fritz). picrel is only surviving example.
I am just gonna drop this here and let polacks seethe
>be german
>have ultra heavy tanks and lack of rubber
>inmpelemt interleaved road wheels to help with ground preasure, and to save the rubber lining from degrading too fast
>the new wheel system is so complex that debris gets stuck easily in it, while also being so heavy that any benefits zou got from the higher ground contact is negated
homie, just use wider tracks
>muh King Tiger
Imagine building a 70+-ton fatass heavy tank that can barely move a hundred km down the road without five breakdowns, and then it still gets murked by a Sherman with a spicy british gun.
propaganda requires shiny toys - it does not matter if they make sense overall - for propaganda only matters that they are more advanced than what enemy is using.
in reality german army still used horses for most of its logistics and those poster weapons were very rare - keeping that in mind their 2nd ww performance was still pretty impressive
The 262’s engines fell apart in like 6 hours and they never figured out aircraft carriers