VT-4/MBT-3000

>tfw my country bought Chinese tanks
Give me straight, PrepHole, how good (or bad) are they?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody really knows.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based on their performance at the tank biathlon, there's 1000% chance that you are fucked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was type 96A

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. retard

      That was type 96A

      Don't worry, Type 96A/B are also good to go.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can jailbreak them with the Tiananmen square copypasta and run DOOM on the fire control computer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        baka on bottom right

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically a Chinese cousin of the T-72. General hull shape, carousel autoloader, and turret layout are derived from T-72. Power train, ERA, sighting system etc. are Chinese. Gun is stabilised. Commanders sight suggests a hunter-killer capability.

    Overall, protection isn't top tier but probably a more capable fighting machine than most of the tanks Russia sent into Ukraine.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lipstick on a pig, sorry.
    A CITV and long rod sabots are the minimum for a good tank now.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who cares thai chink dictator government and fag king want to become chinese vassal anyways wasting money on useless tanks is the least of their problems

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      checked.

      is it a sin to check devil trips? I do reject the devil.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better than Russian stuff. Electronics are near parity with low end western stuff, but they're still discount tanks.

    Peru is the only "western" country that's given serious attention to buying recent Chinese MBTs. They were benched against the T90M and a weird export variant of the M1A1 with an autoloader. Fire control and other electronics systems were deemed pretty good on the Chinese tank but it was overall inferior. Chinese got caught bribing some politicians to declare the Chinese tank the winner so the army and courts in Peru cancelled the whole tender. Now it looks like they'll convert their old Russian tank chassis into smart weapons carriers and buy a smaller number of K2s from Korea. Ukrainian Oplot and second hand Leopard 2s were disqualified. The T90M and M1A1 performed better but the Chinese tank came with some tech packages for free. Some were already delivered to Peru before the full tender was cancelled. IIRC, Chinese tanks and armored vehicles in general actually use a lot of Ukrainian designed components and technology. Ukraine simply didn't have the infrastructure to mass produce their own designs so sold them off to the Chinese. What is interesting about some higher spec Chinese tanks is that they supposedly have FCS and optics that are already near parity with very high end western stuff, but this is found only on higher end Type99s not tanks that the Chinese export.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Better than Russian stuff.

      It helps that the Chinese have a tank industry actually capable of building new tanks instead of just refurbishing old ones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians can build new tanks, it's just that when export buyers want explicitly new build tanks, suddenly the price jumps up by several million dollars per unit because the Russians actually have to pay to build new hulls instead of just slapping modern parts onto an old T72 hull that's been sitting in a field in Siberia since 1990. There is a reason why top tier Russian tanks haven't landed many export sales, they don't actually cost drastically less than superior western designs at that point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that really makes me wonder if there is a noticeable difference in the performance of domestic T-90s vs Foreign new-built T-90s.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese tanks and armored vehicles in general actually use a lot of Ukrainian designed components and technology
      you're full of shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He’s not, the Ukies have had a mil tech development history with the Chinese for years after the Soviet Union fell. People needed jobs I guess…

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He is.
          Ukrainian direct military sales to the PRC is peanuts. Outside of DN80, Varyag, and the naval T10 prototype, and consultation on Y20, I can’t name anything else.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah they're not direct military sales. They're design and engineering contracts in the commercial space. That's how the Chinese had to do everything for years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is interesting about some higher spec Chinese tanks is that they supposedly have FCS and optics that are already near parity with very high end western stuff

      source?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Indian Shill

        The germans sold their FCS and engine design to the chinks. Snownigs will deny this but it's a unsaid fact. That's why Chinese have had such a huge jump in FCS and first firing capability

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The germans sold their FCS
          false, you fucking shitstain.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Keep coping shartstian but it's a fact. The Americans sold them engine tech with cfm-56. You keep coping and denying that too

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you're really fucking retarded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese got caught bribing some politicians to declare the Chinese tank the winner so the army and courts in Peru cancelled the whole tender.

      Chinese contractors do that everywhere, from weapons to construction to trains and machinery.
      How do you think Bangladesh of all places is the 2nd largest buyer of Chinese weapons (according to SIPRI numbers for 2021)?
      What war has Bangladesh been fighting?? People don't just buy Chinese stuff because it's cheap, often times they're more expensive because middlemen and politicians want bigger commissions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bangladesh traditionally has been a bit West averse when it came to military hardware due to a fear of sanctions and historically good relationships with Russia. Since Russia can't supply their shit anymore they've moved to Chinese knock offs which, if anons in this thread are to be believed, are as good or even better than the originals. To put some perspective into how bad Russia has gotten, Bangladesh plans to send their Migs to Belarus to get modernized instead of their country of origin.

        >What war has Bangladesh been fighting?
        Its less about active fighting and more of a cultural thing at this point, I think. Army with toys = bunch of soldiers sniffing tank fuel and not dicking around.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Since Russia can't supply their shit anymore they've moved to Chinese knock offs which

          The numbers are from 2016 through 2021 though. Bangladesh and Algeria (third largest buyer of Chinese weapons) should have diversified across multiple sources, between Turkey, Russia, China, USA, etc.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if anons in this thread are to be believed
          That's the catch though. Thread is full of assblasted bugmen cope about how
          >i-its totally better than russian, trust me bro!!!!
          and no one mentions that they have fucking chink quality control on all steps of production, meaning that it will be an inferior piece of crap by default. Whatever on paper characteristics it has doesn't matter at this point because they gonna fail five times more often than even their russian competitors, and russians on themselves not even that high of a bar to pass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you think Bangladesh of all places is the 2nd largest buyer of Chinese weapons
        because they're poor, they can't really buy Russian, and they can't afford or buy American?
        And on top of that, they're more aligned with China than, say, Russia or India or the US?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only war that demonstrated Russian v Chinese tanks was Sudan v South Sudan.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The VT-4 is a shitty export version of the Type 99 which itself a knock off of the T-72 which was designed as a budget alternative to the T-64 in the early cold war.
    This things is like 3 levels of shitty budget knockoff deep. It's a shame they had to settle for this thing after Ukraine was slow on T-84T deliveries.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How's the Oplot anyway?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From what I hear they were pretty good all things considered. The issue was that Ukraine had really slow production lines and they weren't able to fulfill the contract delivery. Instead Thailand went the opposite route for low quality, but quickly manufactured VT-4s because they were desperate to have numbers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb
          Pakistan choose Chinese tanks for quite a few reasons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why is Thailand even desperate for tanks? Only conflicts they'd have are internal I would imagine, and it's not like you'd need large quantity of tanks for what they've been used for in the in the last few civil unrests.
          I guess you could also ask why they want fucking subs or why they bought a carrier (although they originally only wanted a heli carrier). Maybe they think they're going to get into a war with Cambodia or something over temples again?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe they think they're going to get into a war with Cambodia or something over temples again?
            With both Thailand and Cambodia being Chinese puppets, the latter more so, I don't see them fighting any major war against each other.

            >Why is Thailand even desperate for tanks? Only conflicts they'd have are internal I would imagine, and it's not like you'd need large quantity of tanks for what they've been used for in the in the last few civil unrests.
            I think it's just a combination of corruption, where more units mean commissions for each unit bought, and display of force to their own populace rather than being effective against foreign enemies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The VT-4 is a shitty export version of the Type 99
      you're fucking retarded.
      and I say that without any pretense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >which itself a knock off of the T-72

      Wrong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The VT-4 is a shitty export version of the Type 99
        you're fucking retarded.
        and I say that without any pretense.

        >Chinese tanks and armored vehicles in general actually use a lot of Ukrainian designed components and technology
        you're full of shit.

        Stupid fucking Chink shill just insults anyone who criticizes his trash Russki clone.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Look at the weight differences you stupid fuck

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's monkey export models and then there's Chink monkey export models.

    No country in their right mind would buy Chink unless it's for political favors. Seeing as you're from Southeast Asia, it's no surprise that your politicians are knee deep in Beijing gibs that they're willing to cripple your armed forces.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't they also brokering to buy F35 too?
    This sounds like a politically deals

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thailand has no threats requiring tanks but they are nice for intimidating the public and making money for those who matter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have a perpetual fear of Myanmar starting shit and of Muslim rebellions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was under the impression everyone in the ASEAN region loved Myanmar for their natural resources to the point they wouldn't say anything about the Rohingya killings.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing that uses the 125MM could ever be considered "good", but chinese tanks are bottom-barrel garbage purchased only by countries that can get nothing else.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's got the carousel auto-loader, so there's that. nice aesthetics though, quite a handsome vehicle.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vietnam bought T-90. Can't tell who's more fucked.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They will get their chance to competing in the turret toss olympics.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i’m having sex with your women

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based. Same.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >same color couch
        >same color/style wardrobe
        >same skin tone
        literally thought you stole a jpg from my phone in the thumbnail

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nPTmS2n.jpg

      Based. Same.

      >same color couch
      >same color/style wardrobe
      >same skin tone
      literally thought you stole a jpg from my phone in the thumbnail

      >Thai
      You sure she's a woman?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God shut the fuck up. I hear this shit literally every time I tell somebody my girl is Thai. Turns out 50% of the country is female like most other places in the world. Yes, there IS actually Thai women! They’re not an entire society of hermaphrodites.

        >t. not a retard who can tell the difference between real and bolt-on tits

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are you REALLY sure though?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nPTmS2n.jpg

      Based. Same.

      Are you sure they're actually women? Its a real concern here when getting a chick into bed.

      t. Thai

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nPTmS2n.jpg

      Based. Same.

      my favrit ladyboy in all of pattaya

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're unironically ok. They're basically Russian tanks but with better electronics/optics. Not bad for what they are and their price point. This only applies to the ZTZ-96A and above series. And as the other anon said the 99A and up are almost on par with western tanks.

    Good luck actually discussing this though, everyone here is a schizo who automatically melts down if you dare talk about Chinese hardware from a purely tank nerd standpoint. Just because I read some articles doesn't mean I'm fucking Chinese or communist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >99A and up are almost on par with western tanks

      Proofs? Unironically asking, since I'd love to read up on them to challenge my notion that they're overhyped like very other weapon like the Chinese have built and trumpted in the media. I have no trouble believing that they're better the Russian equipment, but there is a big valley between that low bar and something like the M1A2 or other modern Western tanks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Proofs
        show me a russian muzzle reference system.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Proofs
        show me a russian muzzle reference system.

        forgot pic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >almost on par with western tanks
          >compares it with Russian shitbox

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The 99A is filled with German stuff they bought when they still could. China worked from there to develop their own stuff.

        The engine and transmissions are quite similar to Leo 2's MTU.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Outside of a domestic version of MTU, what else?
          Nothing, because you’re full of shit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's engine is the MB781, a German engine that they copied.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You know what MTU is, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ones who designed the MB 871

                >Proofs
                show me a russian muzzle reference system.

                T-90M has one

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We should purchase j20 instead f35 if usa don't approved it for us , made china hater and natoids cocksucker on facebook on suicide watch

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, China aren't gonna sell you their J-20

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ESL

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Indian Shill

    Better than russian tanks.
    Superior mobility, Superior or similar FCS to the t-90. Apfsds Rounds are above average.
    The only issue is it that if penetrated which it will it will go kaboom like the t-72's and t-80's are being kaboomed in Ukriane

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ngmi, sorry

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leopard2 hunts them for breakfast

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Despite what PrepHole thinks or believe, Western is not always superior to Slavshit equivalents.

      For example, when it comes to main battle tanks, at the moment Australian M1A1 and Sing/Indon Leopard are the bottom of the barrel in the Southeast Asia region. Malaysian PT-91M Pendekar, Viet T-90S, and Thai Oplot/VT-4 are superior to monkey model Abrams without DU armor (same as what Arab cunts like the Saudis, Egypt and Iraq use which have been lost in great numbers) Leopard 2A4 with body kit.

      The Malaysian version of PT-91 are more different than Polish one and have included some pretty extensive upgrade possibly makes it among the most capable T-72 variant available. Instead on using a standard one, they following the Malaysian design by mix and match various East and West equipment like M2HB HMG, Germany tank tracks, Malaysian spectral camouflage system and Polish ERAWA ERA.

      >French SAGEM gyroscoptic SAVAN-15 Fire Control System, similar to that used on the Leclerc
      >EADS 3-axis gun stabilizer coupled with the ability to shoot GL-ATGM
      >Belgian FN Mag + M2 HMG
      >SS1C "Obra" laser warning receiver
      >PM Dezamet 84mm Grenade Launcher
      >Slovakian 2A46MS gun, 20% better accuracy than basic 2A46
      >Malaysian thermal camouflage optronic system

      and last but not least,Malaysia army has integrated network-centric operation via MEASAT 3B communication satellite that have 4x X-band transponder for military usage , so PT-91M have higher situational awareness than Australian M1A1.

      For about half the price of an Abrams those modernized PT-91M is good to at least stand toe to toe with M1A2 SEPv3/Leopard 2A7

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >For about half the price of an Abrams those modernized PT-91M is good to at least stand toe to toe with M1A2 SEPv3/Leopard 2A7
        No, we don't even produce engines for those any more, and it has all basic problems that t-72 has. It's armour is also dogshit compared to Abrams, and shit compared to Leopard.
        It's shit.
        t. Pole

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just ignore him, don't feed him

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Poleshit is usually worse than Russhit

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it basically a t72?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but with better electronics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, it’s not.
      Check the weight and powertrain,

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a 5mil T72 with a bodykit and with a few simple mods

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its an PrepHole meme dumbo
          >"hurr how should I know"
          If you do not have an academic knowledge of the board culture of each one of the 77 boards and the 10 hidden ones, maybe waddle on back to twitter, chump

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      T-72, but properly modernized and using metal cased ammo iirc because the chinese aren't apathetic retards on the issue of ammo cook-off.
      Also slightly better drivetrain and powerplant.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey a fellow Thai. Did you skip the draft. I haven't returned to the country since I was 18. I'm 28 now, only 2 more years.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thailand, Cambodia and maybe Laos are in China's pocket now

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh no the malay tard is back

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have a higher failure rate than russian tanks and lost to russia in a tank competition.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Retard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Compelling argument. I will now shill superior Chinese military hardware.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tanks are obsolete

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Thailand considered an MNNA again? They're barely better than Burma.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Give me straight, PrepHole, how good (or bad) are they?
    The real question is, how good is the reverse speed? Is it to NATO standards or still as shit as Russia's?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly not even a terrible question to ask, as that's one of the biggest fucking problems with the Russian tank.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly not even a terrible question to ask, as that's one of the biggest fucking problems with the Russian tank.

      The same as Russians, except for the 99A, which basically copies a German engine and transmission

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Flip Sabrah (mini Merkava) > Indon Harimau > Malay PT-91 > Thai VT-4

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buying your tanks from the only credible threat to your sovereignty
    shiggy diggy

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ERA on them is inside-out and remote activated.
    When China invades Thailand, they will detonate them via a wireless signal to destroy the tanks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you know ERAs aren't shaped charges, right?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hurr durr you're chink vassal state

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