USN testing air launched Standard missiles again

USN testing air launched Standard missiles again

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nice

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not the first time they've tried it out

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, that's a Standard ARM.

      SM-6. Air, land or sea targeting and great versus hypersonic missiles.

      With this and Typhon, it's also air, ground, or sea launched.
      UIM-174 equipped Virginia's when?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What would be the point in SM-6 on Virginia-class boats?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sinking AWACS, ASW, or VIP transports

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Subs can't see those.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They dont have sensors for that kinda shit though
              You'd need another surface platform nearby with a long range search radar at which point, why not just launch your SM-6 from that surface platform.

              they have radars and electronic warfare masts. I find it unlikely that submarines, which have been used for decades for ELINT, can neither detect surface search radars from ASW aircraft nor radars from AWACS systems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They simply don't have anything that can find a target at ranges that would make sense to use an SM-6 for.

                Radars that can detect airborne targets at 50+ mile ranges require large arrays. And SM-6 is designed to work at operational ranges beyond 100 miles. I just don't see how it's possible for a virginia-class ALONE to properly utilize an SM-6.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cannot target a plane with passive radar. All your idea does is tell the AEW plane that a random missile launched out of the ocean for no reason and someone should go investigate.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They simply don't have anything that can find a target at ranges that would make sense to use an SM-6 for.

                Radars that can detect airborne targets at 50+ mile ranges require large arrays. And SM-6 is designed to work at operational ranges beyond 100 miles. I just don't see how it's possible for a virginia-class ALONE to properly utilize an SM-6.

                man, if only there was some way to send target information between two combat systems, like some sort of information connection. we could call it a info conn and all of our assets in a theater could share sensor and targeting information between active and passive sensors and you could do cool stuff like have a network of sensors covering an area and have weapons launched from assets without active sensor use.
                nah, that's dumb, it'll never catch on.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Networked battlespaces anon.

              They dont have sensors for that kinda shit though
              You'd need another surface platform nearby with a long range search radar at which point, why not just launch your SM-6 from that surface platform.

              Less reaction time, better range.
              >SM armed sub runs 150km ahead of carrier group
              >E-2 detects flight of enemy strike aircraft 200km away heading towards carrier group with an AWACS supporting them 250km away
              >location, speed, and heading of AWACS transmitted to sub via VLF or ELF
              >missile fired based predicted track of AWACS long before surface ships or fighters from carrier group are in range
              >fighters from carrier now have an advantage, still having AWACS support while the enemy doesn't

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                doesn't sound very sporting, does it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >US Military
                >sporting
                Kek. The USAF whips out the F22 whenever they feel like there's not enough of an edge. The US doesn't do sporting, it does overwhelming.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                imagine 48 ESSMs popping up under your bomber formation. the Virginia's have 12 VLS right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Virginia's have 12 VLS right?
                40 in the new Block V's (besides the first Block V boat, which doesn't have the VPM)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's what CEC is for. The sub just needs to have a radio mast or buoy up so it can receive launch instructions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They dont have sensors for that kinda shit though
            You'd need another surface platform nearby with a long range search radar at which point, why not just launch your SM-6 from that surface platform.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They dont have sensors for that kinda shit though
              nta, but hypothetically you have a sub launch an sm-6 and whatever else is in range (awacs) then guides it to target before it goes active. cooperative engagement capability is a huge part of the sm-6s concept

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stuff 4 Sm-6 in a VLS
                >New block V are going to have 40 VLS
                >Float around 70 miles off the coast of whatever is being fricky
                >A wild AWACs appears on station for half an hour
                >SURPRISE, that air wing ceases to exist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not going to quad pack SM-6

                SM-6 is way too big.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a SAM trap is the only real way I could think of doing something like that would work. You'd just have the sub near enough to the surface to be told when to pop up and launch then float away

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DELETE THIS RIGHT THE FRICK NOW BEFORE BIDEN SENDS A DELTA KILL TEAM TO YOUR IP

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why? There's been pictures of testing this like 3 years ago

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Biden so fricked would probably accidentally send the Postal Inspection service to Toronto in an attempt to send delta after anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I for one wouldn't want to meet Postal service spooks

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    370km range when launched from altitude?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like how the US didn’t even have to wait for the aim-260 to absolutely mog the meteor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AIM-120, AIM-260 and Meteor are all in the same weight class. Any standard missile is going to be substantially heavier even after removing the booster

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is a standard missile?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SM-6. Air, land or sea targeting and great versus hypersonic missiles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a family of surface-to-air missiles used by the US Navy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The spicier Anti-Air naval SAM in use by the USN. More energetic and agile than the SM-2 with much better capability to ignore EW. Has substantial anti-surface capability (much more so than the SM-2 which has a notional within-line-of-sight capability, that in reality is not very useful).

      I assume the intent here is to counter the PL-20 and some of the other ultra-long range AAMs in Chinese/Russian service. Some have speculated it's for surface attack but that seems pretty unlikely, we have plenty of other and probably better options for that. Likely a tanker-AEW killing program.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >standard missile is spicier than standard missile
        did you have a stroke while composing this comment?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An "all-in-one" family of missiles that replaced the earlier Tartar/Terrier/Talos SAMs developed by the USN. Hence, a "standard" missile, which came in two flavors, with (ER) and without (MR) a first-stage booster rocket.

      It's gotten more complicated these days, as SM-3 has a totally new airframe (and is in the process of getting yet another), and for some stupid reason they cancelled the latest version of SM-2ER and then restarted the program and renamed it into SM-6. But, everything except SM-3 is moving to AMRAAM seekers anyways, so it all more or less works out in the end.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >USN consolidated Tartar/Terrier/Talos into Standard as an "all-in-one".
        >Ends up with SM-2/SM-3/SM-6 anyway.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How well is it integrated with the plane? Does it benefit from a datalink with an Aegis system? I do like this trend of utilizing the weapons of other branches. Aside from being a great missile in general maybe it could be useful in a situation where a DDG has ran dry their VLS but an aircraft is available.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >utilizing the weapons of other branches
      it's a navy missile on a navy jet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How well is it integrated with the plane? Does it benefit from a datalink with an Aegis system?

      SM-6 is one of the standard missiles of the USN, hence the name. It's designed with CEC in mind so I assume that's how these would be used going with the navy's new goal of 'every spotter a shooter'.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain to my monkey brain why we can’t just use an AShM or a cruise missile for A2A role? Just swap the seeker on a Tomahawk missile and voila, a longer ranged and much more lethal AA missile with literally zero R&D cost.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maneuverability

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Swap a seeker designed for an ultrafast -high-speed near instant direction-changing AA missile and bolt it onto a slow, heavy, straight shooting cruise missile that can barely turn left even if it tried.

      You are trying to turn a ford F-150 into a Subaru by mounting a spoiler and n2o canisters on it, anon.

      >target missed, it keeps going. And going. And oh look it hit a house somewhere three countries over. At least the seeker did it's job and it seeked a thing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speed, maneuverability, and acceleration.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cruise missiles are designed to hit umoving ground targets. They can't manuever.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe they shouldn't have killed the phoenix off so fast

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Phoenix was utter crap compared to any modern missile. The AIM-120D has better range and everything else than the Phoenix.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if we'll see the return of the air launched pac concept.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's kinda weird to me that we have Patriots being tested in VLS cells and Standards on aircraft. has anyone put a ESSM on a ground launcher? isn't there a Sparrow based SAM?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What advantage is there to mounting patriots in VLS?

      Also, didn't the army recently start fielding ground launched SM?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What advantage is there to mounting patriots in VLS?
        I genuinely have no idea, that's why I thought it was weird. the only thing I can think of is global magazine depth purpose, but I don't know why you wouldn't just make more Patriots and Standards. I guess if there is a war where it's overwhelmingly a naval fight, itd be nice to have patriot reloads available for the Navy, but again, just make more standards.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PAC-3s have the ability to be dual and potentially quad packed into a Mk. 41, thus giving ships a deeper magazine depth for ballistic targets and aerial threats.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            5 ships loaded to the brim with patriots creating an absolutely-no-fricking-flying zone.

            >And then the carrier rolls in.

            I do not think there is any country on earth that can counter that. So yeah, patriot spam with supports is gonna be the default meta from now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            last i heard lockheed was saying they weren't going to dual pack as they'd need to make modifications for folding fins and shit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the ESSM can already quad pack, but I don't know how good they are vs ballistic threats.

            https://i.imgur.com/kwDehCx.png

            USAF has the potential to do something very funny

            that would have some reach on it. would hate to be a tanker or EWACS in the same sky as that thing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Magazine depth is a big part of it, we've seen plenty of examples of both sides of the russo-Ukrainian war using older or even improvised artillery pieces simply because that's what they've got ammunition for, so it makes sense to make everything capable of firing everything else's missiles if you can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ukrainians have the frankenSAM which uses a Buk launcher with sea sparrow missiles, if I recall correctly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proof of concept testing. Patriot missile lines are at capacity and SM lines are spinning up

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    USAF has the potential to do something very funny

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the ESSM can already quad pack, but I don't know how good they are vs ballistic threats.
      [...]
      that would have some reach on it. would hate to be a tanker or EWACS in the same sky as that thing.

      Make the B21 able to carry them instead of waiting for NGAD?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure you could fit them on a rotary launcher, and the B21 has 2 bays, so 20 total?
        man, that would absolutely ruin a strike package 's day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Funny you mention that, the B-52s are in the middle of receiving AESA and datalinks as part of their -J upgrades. Probably so we don't need to waste F-15Es on shahed-tier drones and J-8 spam if the big one happens.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >in the middle of receiving AESA
            Won't be operationally available until 2029/30.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I hunger for more

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Qrd?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                B-52 is between 2:0 and 2:2 in air-to-air combat. Specifically 676:

                >Citation to accompany the award of the Silver Star
                >Staff Sergeant Samuel O. Turner distinguished himself by gallantry in connection with military operations against an opposing force as a B-52 Fire Control Operator near Hanoi, North Vietnam, on 18 December 1972. On this mission, Sergeant Turner's aircraft was attacked by numerous enemy fighters. During these attacks he skillfully operated his gunnery radar equipment to train his guns on the attackers and destroyed one of them. By his courage in the face of hazardous combat conditions and outstanding professional skill, he successfully defended his aircraft and it's crew and enabled it to complete its mission and return safely to base. By his gallantry and devotion to duty, Sergeant Turner has reflected great credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop. I can only get so hard.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >LRASM's puttering around the south china sea eating up all that delicious SIGINT/ELINT on their way to rape some helpless PLAN vessel
    >provides datalink info to f-35 or superbug pilots carring these big mother frickers
    Jesus Christ that's a nasty combo of BVR frickery.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >seasparrow frankensam happens
    >USN gets hot and bothered and starts getting freaky with missiles

    coincidence or ancient ayylmaos?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see Stunners in Mk.41s, those things are even more maneuverable as they're hit-to-kill and only cost $1 million a piece. I checked the dimensions, you can definitely fit them into strike-depth VLS.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is that a f18 hornet

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