Same thing that happened in Gulf of Tonkin, same thing that happened with Lusitania, same thing they tried to with the U.S.S. Cole til they realized the sunken ship false flag was played out and switched to building demolition.
The biggest traitors to America are liars and cheerleaders for the state.
Well, that's pretty easy to do when their contribution was forming ABDA command to suck up everyone's resources to protect an objective that was only important to the UK, getting btfo so hard they just quit and dissolved the formation without actually telling anyone in it, and then being assigned for Kamakazi suppression at Okinawa and failing so hard that to this day the USN is heavily influenced by the staggering kamikaze losses they took when they relied on the Brits to provide DCA and CAP for them.
Dutchies and Aussies/bongs were always going to get shafted in the Pacific. All their carriers were in the med thousands of miles away. Also their land forces were fricked by poor preparation and corruption
Didn't Singapore have like a single squadron of biplanes defending it?
No, singapore was defended by an army and correspondinglly sized air assets, though perhaps more of their squadrons had second line equipment. What was lacking was a naval component but the japs weren't any better in this respect.
Malaya and Singapore saw 2 Japanese divisions destroy a British+Australian+Indian army.
Like 20 Brewster Buffalos at first. There was then a trickle of Spitfires that first of all had shitty performance in the climate and got destroyed in detail by 600 planes the Japs could throw at them at any time.
Yeah which is why they won the war when they were captured and the USN was completely wrong to point out cutting the Malay triangle would be better than trying to hold Singapore, right?
Well, that's pretty easy to do when their contribution was forming ABDA command to suck up everyone's resources to protect an objective that was only important to the UK, getting btfo so hard they just quit and dissolved the formation without actually telling anyone in it, and then being assigned for Kamakazi suppression at Okinawa and failing so hard that to this day the USN is heavily influenced by the staggering kamikaze losses they took when they relied on the Brits to provide DCA and CAP for them.
Jesus Christ. It's Australia that helped in the Pacific. Everyone knows the British were fricking pathetic in the Pacific. They even diverted Australian troops away from home defence in the Solomons so they could continue to rape Nazis in Africa.
To be fair though McArthur probably killed more Australian soilders in the pacific than the Japs.
That generation of Australians were literally still calling themselves British, like how the English and Scottish call themselves British English and British Scottish, the Canadians and Australians called themsleves British Canadian and British Australian. 'British' was very much an international identity until the late 50's/early 60's.
They started that way, but the pathetic performance of the British in Malay and then their subsequent abandonment of the Aussies while still retaining their troops in North Africa ended that real quick.
The Brits shitting their pants and the USN fighting tooth and nail and pulling out a W in the Solomans was the watershed moment where that ended. They have a whole exhibit about that in the Australian war memorial.
Mainly due to navy incompetence/arrogance. The vast majority of casualties were from the 8 heavy cruisers that got hit by torpedos when none of them should have been it if their captains and squadron commanders had two brain cells to rub together for warmth.
The USN was forced to fight night-fighting experts in the dark, at very close quarters, when only the IJN had reliable torpedoes because the marines couldn't take over an island where they outnumbered the enemy >3:1 for most od the campaign, had total armor superiority and in fact, the only side with armor at all, air superiority to air supremacy depending on the day, and all this against a bunch of 110 pound guys on 300 calorie a day starvation rations whose idea of grand strategy was running at you with a literal sword then getting eaten by crocodiles.
The entire land campaign of the Solomons was a complete sideshow, but smoothbrains think it was some heroic victory for the marines because it's cheaper and easier for Hollywood to make a movie about a bunch of guys in green walking around a forest than show the absolute life or death, outnumbered and outgunned fight the Navy was in around the Slot.
The USN also did not believe the limited intelligence about the very effective O2 torpedoes used by the IJN. At least not for a while.
And the US counter to Japanese night fighting, radar, was poorly understood by the first admirals on the scene.
>The USN also did not believe the limited intelligence about the very effective O2 torpedoes used by the IJN. At least not for a while.
This just blows my mind. You would think that after the first battle of Savo Island, there would be more caution given to Japanese torpedoes but you get shit like Tassafaronga months later.
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A bunch of lazy decisions and lack of actually communicating with each other let Mikawa and his cruisers just rock up and do whatever they wanted for a bit.
(Also surely there was some intel that said the IJN trained for night battles)
The naval battles during the Guadalcanal campaign are the most interesting to me as they were a few moments where certain Japanese decisions could have made strategic victories for them (if Abe kept up the push on Nov. 13 and bombarded Henderson Field for one).
USS Quincy illuminated
Whatever happened with the USS Liberty or the USS Maine?
USS Liberty took a torpedo from the Israelis in the late 60s. Didn't sink.
The Maine blew up on its own in Havana, 1898.
Blame the Maine on Spain
Same thing that happened in Gulf of Tonkin, same thing that happened with Lusitania, same thing they tried to with the U.S.S. Cole til they realized the sunken ship false flag was played out and switched to building demolition.
The biggest traitors to America are liars and cheerleaders for the state.
STFU, dumbass.
The USN lost 4 cruisers during the landings but kept the IJN from sinking transports. Barely.
Black person one of those ships is from the royal navy
Really grinds my gears Americans completely ignore the naval support from UK/Anzac/Dutch during the Pacific war.
Don't get me started on Adm. Crutchfield, okay?
Royal AUSTRALIAN Navy.
Really grinds my gears Brits completely ignore the military support from Australia always.
Damage control fail.
Didn't that Aussie ship get shot at by the USN blue on blue as they were evacing sailors
We paid them back for it with the HMAS Melbourne running over one of their destroyers.
>HMAS Melbourne
Twice, right?
Well, that's pretty easy to do when their contribution was forming ABDA command to suck up everyone's resources to protect an objective that was only important to the UK, getting btfo so hard they just quit and dissolved the formation without actually telling anyone in it, and then being assigned for Kamakazi suppression at Okinawa and failing so hard that to this day the USN is heavily influenced by the staggering kamikaze losses they took when they relied on the Brits to provide DCA and CAP for them.
Dutchies and Aussies/bongs were always going to get shafted in the Pacific. All their carriers were in the med thousands of miles away. Also their land forces were fricked by poor preparation and corruption
Didn't Singapore have like a single squadron of biplanes defending it?
No, singapore was defended by an army and correspondinglly sized air assets, though perhaps more of their squadrons had second line equipment. What was lacking was a naval component but the japs weren't any better in this respect.
Malaya and Singapore saw 2 Japanese divisions destroy a British+Australian+Indian army.
Singapore had a major naval escort, it was largely destroyed in the Indian Ocean raids by the Kido Butai
Singapore was supported by the Force Z composed of two capital boats. However the Force Z was sunk by land-based bombers.
Like 20 Brewster Buffalos at first. There was then a trickle of Spitfires that first of all had shitty performance in the climate and got destroyed in detail by 600 planes the Japs could throw at them at any time.
Malaya campaign was reinforced by a handful of Hurricanes not Spitfires, not that it would have made a difference
>an objective that was only important to the UK
And, you know, THE JAPANESE. Well, important doesn't quite catch it. Singapore and the DEI were completely vital for the Japs' war effort.
Yeah which is why they won the war when they were captured and the USN was completely wrong to point out cutting the Malay triangle would be better than trying to hold Singapore, right?
Oh
Jesus Christ. It's Australia that helped in the Pacific. Everyone knows the British were fricking pathetic in the Pacific. They even diverted Australian troops away from home defence in the Solomons so they could continue to rape Nazis in Africa.
To be fair though McArthur probably killed more Australian soilders in the pacific than the Japs.
That's what I said Anon.
That generation of Australians were literally still calling themselves British, like how the English and Scottish call themselves British English and British Scottish, the Canadians and Australians called themsleves British Canadian and British Australian. 'British' was very much an international identity until the late 50's/early 60's.
They started that way, but the pathetic performance of the British in Malay and then their subsequent abandonment of the Aussies while still retaining their troops in North Africa ended that real quick.
The Brits shitting their pants and the USN fighting tooth and nail and pulling out a W in the Solomans was the watershed moment where that ended. They have a whole exhibit about that in the Australian war memorial.
Australia yes.
Britain no.
New Zealand is just Diet Australia, so i lump them both together.
The naval battles at Guadalcanal were kino as frick. Also had battleship on battleship combat at the latter end, which is rare
The Japanese never took advantage of their victories tho.
Mainly due to navy incompetence/arrogance. The vast majority of casualties were from the 8 heavy cruisers that got hit by torpedos when none of them should have been it if their captains and squadron commanders had two brain cells to rub together for warmth.
The USN was forced to fight night-fighting experts in the dark, at very close quarters, when only the IJN had reliable torpedoes because the marines couldn't take over an island where they outnumbered the enemy >3:1 for most od the campaign, had total armor superiority and in fact, the only side with armor at all, air superiority to air supremacy depending on the day, and all this against a bunch of 110 pound guys on 300 calorie a day starvation rations whose idea of grand strategy was running at you with a literal sword then getting eaten by crocodiles.
The entire land campaign of the Solomons was a complete sideshow, but smoothbrains think it was some heroic victory for the marines because it's cheaper and easier for Hollywood to make a movie about a bunch of guys in green walking around a forest than show the absolute life or death, outnumbered and outgunned fight the Navy was in around the Slot.
The USN also did not believe the limited intelligence about the very effective O2 torpedoes used by the IJN. At least not for a while.
And the US counter to Japanese night fighting, radar, was poorly understood by the first admirals on the scene.
>The USN also did not believe the limited intelligence about the very effective O2 torpedoes used by the IJN. At least not for a while.
This just blows my mind. You would think that after the first battle of Savo Island, there would be more caution given to Japanese torpedoes but you get shit like Tassafaronga months later.
this
A bunch of lazy decisions and lack of actually communicating with each other let Mikawa and his cruisers just rock up and do whatever they wanted for a bit.
(Also surely there was some intel that said the IJN trained for night battles)
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>the front fell off
"That's not very typical" memes aside, why do American WW2 cruisers have such a problem keeping the bow attached?
Laterally that's the weakest transverse bulkhead of the ship by alot.
Treaty-era cruisers, in fact cruisers in general, typically didn't play well with torpedoes
Japanese torpedoes especially
Belgrano (USS Phoenix) went full Clarke and Dawe from a British torpedo
Torpedos are pretty nuts, Japanese ones even more so
The naval battles during the Guadalcanal campaign are the most interesting to me as they were a few moments where certain Japanese decisions could have made strategic victories for them (if Abe kept up the push on Nov. 13 and bombarded Henderson Field for one).