According to RAND Corporation, with the exception of Australia, no country in the Asia Pacific is willing to provide military support in event of a war with China or North Korea, not even Quad members or treaty allies
US has no support in Asia
According to RAND Corporation, with the exception of Australia, no country in the Asia Pacific is willing to provide military support in event of a war with China or North Korea, not even Quad members or treaty allies
not like it matters. the war would be decided in the first few hours. either chinas secret power weapons are actually power weapons, or they're all dogshit and america steamrolls their entire air/sea force.
>power weapons
Nobody ever sees the gravity hammer coming.
Shotgun supremacy gang
Because for the most part those nations are within range of Chinese counter attacks.
Most of these Asian powers have very limited force projection outside of their borders,
Ask europe what they'd do in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine 2 years ago.
This
No reason to publicly shout you’d support one over the other.
Impressive. Jonathan Chang of Xinjiang state, this means we should invade all of South East Asia since the American military is full of trannies and willn't do anything to stop them. Japan seems to be the weakest ally here, we should invade them first. Yee haw!
Nice shoop, don't fuck up the lines next time chang. Also its out of date, Japan has stated Taiwan sovereignty is critical for Japans safety.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA900/RRA967-2/RAND_RRA967-2.summary.pdf
lel. Delusional gay
>https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA900/RRA967-2/RAND_RRA967-2.summary.pdf
>The study described in this report examined the likely willingness of key U.S. partners and allies in the Indo-Pacific to contribute combat air assets in support of U.S. operations in four illustrative scenarios.
You disingenuous little shit, this is literally the first fucking line of the report. Line one specifies the report talking about allies' willingness to lend air frames to the US or operate their own in joint strikes against China with the US without being directly attacked themselves. But that's fine, because the US' strategy in the Pacific relies on the use of allies as rear echelon support, not as major components of a joint force. But you already knew that and you're just hoping nobody will do even a little bit of diligence.
Air power is politcally and materially the least risky and lowest cost armed support you can commit. You think any country that's not willing to send planes is going to send ground troops to a meatgrinder war on the Korean peninsula or high value naval assets to a South China Sea clash? Get real
>air power is the least risky and lowest cost armed support you can commit
Yeah, compared to hundreds of soldiers being pasted or sailors or going down with the ship with one missile hit. You got a counterargument, gay?
Outside of principle surface combatants, I can't really think of anything more valuable to a country's defense than modern fighter airframes.
They take years of lead time to buy, they take years of effort to train qualified pilots, and they cost hundreds of millions of dollars over their service life.
You're retarded if you think fighter jets are a cheap easy to replace commodity.
No, I think they will offer rear echelon support and forward basing, in keeping with American doctrine. They don't need to offer America more meat or steel, because America has more of both than most (all?) of those countries could offer combined. They just need to be convenient places to ship, store, and safeguard America's assets in theater.
>but what if China attacks those assets with rocket artillery-
Then we've now entered a scenario that explicitly falls outside the focus of the report.
>but what if China attacks those assets with rocket artillery
If china starts firing rocket artillery at every country with a US airbase in it they'll get another century of humiliation
Pretty much. having a base where China can't attack without pissing off the other countries that support those bases is far more valuable than the additional meat or steal these countries could provide.
>Air power is politcally and materially the least risky and lowest cost armed support you can commit.
I hope that was a shitpost
I mumbled 'are you retarded'
>air power is the least risky and lowest cost armed support you can commit
>has to come up with a scenario where hundreds of soldiers being pasted or sailors being killed
KEK, he doesn't need to because your retarded statement did that for you.
>sending equipment and personnel into an active warzone entails absolutely no risk of their being killed or destroyed
The only retard here is you and your bf gay-kun
>he says this while relying on feels to make statements on which costs more
>doesn't realize that his gay retarded brain made a statement where the navy would need to lose hundreds of sailors for the costs to even match up with air power losses
>losing several planes
vs
>losing a ship
Which do you think is going to be more costly in lives and money?
>b-but naval support is far more valuable than air support
>says hundreds of sailors = several planes or pilots
Air power is more likely to be used in an offensively, while naval power is more about giving support to American logistics. Something that these countries have no problem supporting considering their already providing bases on their soil.
What does rear echelon support mean here exactly? I doubt Malaysia or Indonesia is willing to do sub hunting for America
Generally speaking attacking a foreign military base in a host country is not considered an act of war against the host nation
>I doubt Malaysia or Indonesia is willing to do sub hunting for America
I bet they would sub hunt but not sub kill (ie pass along intel to America and let them actually do the wetwork) along their sea borders and major routes they neighbor
Is this supposed to be surprising? The only thing that really stands out to me is how willing Singapore is to help.
The US wouldn't want places like Malaysia, Philippines, or Indonesia to participate as that would just be more coast and population centers to defend (as they can't be counted on to do it for themselves). India was obviously gonna be a no-show and New Zealand is a perpetual disappointment that mooches off Oz-land to do the dying for them. While I would like Korea to be more involved I also totally understand their (geographic) position and get why they would refrain.
Having seen how India performs during border clashes, it's better they're a perpetual fence shitter.
Singaporeans are Chinese in the end. They'll co-operate with the CCP if given a better offer. That's Chinese for you, switching morals based on opportunity.
Don't agree? Just look at who in charge of Singapore Armed Forces.
what until he finds out about Taiwan.
that's Chinese Taipei you BIGOT! They exist because of glorious Chaiknees peepers patience and forbearance! Don't make me nuke the lies right out of you! Chieyna numba 1!
>if you assume everyone is a corrupt as you, you win!
Working well for Russia...wait
>Singaporians are Chinese
Lmao, for a start, Han Chinese is effectively a made up ethnicity created to unify Chinese population against outsiders
It's, also like saying Russians are European in the end, therefore they are going to get along.
Singapore isn't a trustworthy ally. Much like Egypt, UAE and Saudi Arabia, they are in bed with China. However, unlike them, Singapore is majority Han Chinese.
You guys realize when tennis star Peng Shui went missing (after she outed one of the top CCP leaders for raping her) and that caused a media stir in the West, so they had that fake interview organized with her, it was a Singaporean media outlet that conducted the "impromptu" interview?
China uses Han Chinese diaspora across the world to recruit as assets, and we already know how business elite love getting in bed with China for profits. Singapore is a combination of both. Anything Singapore gets, will end up in CCP / PLA hands.
How kind of you. Picrel is the first paragraph of the full report, rather than the summary you chose to use. Presented without further comment.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA967-2.html
Also, fuck the Philippines for not even willing to help out a little in a reignited Korean war. Absolutely self-centered fucks.
Koreans use "looking Filipino" as slang for calling someone ugly, why would the Philippines want to help them? They helped out enough the first time. They probably have plenty of domestic problems that are more pressing knowing them.
Its amazing how many rationalizations Filipinos have to never have to do anything or have any responsibility. Has it occured to you that the Japanese and Koreans have a much more muddied history and yet somehow manage to work together?
I'm not even Filipino I just know I wouldn't want MY country getting pointlessly involved in a conflict that doesn't even directly effect me, so why should they? I've watched us waste enough money on pointless middle eastern shithole conflicts.
>just know I wouldn't want MY country getting pointlessly involved in a conflict that doesn't even directly effect me
Well that’s the thing, it does
>aggressive authoritarian nation with imperial ambitions
>eyeing up its neighbors and has a history of attacking and absorbing other close by nations
hmmmm here have I heard that before
China is not getting involved in the Korean conflict unless we attack first. If Kim shoots first he's on his own.
>didn't read the entire comment
Classic PrepHole reading comprehension. This place is in eternal summer.
>China is not getting involved in the Korean conflict unless we attack first. If Kim shoots first he's on his own.
That’s hilariously retarded, the whole point of best Korea is to act as a buffer state, you bet your ass they’ll help because otherwise best Korea gets fucked and KOREA is now a west friendly state on their doorstep
I read it, I just reject the lies
how many middle eastern shithole conflicts has the philippines been involved in?
I can already tell your reading comp is shit so we will not be having a discussion.
Hint: you're arguing a closely aligned position to my own.
The summer that glows forever. This whole site has gone to shit but idk where else to go
>I'm not even Filipino
>I just know I wouldn't want MY country getting pointlessly involved in a conflict that doesn't even directly effect me
X
Doesn't check out
RAND thinks otherwise. What's your basis?
Singapore will bend over for China the moment they ask. I am still surprised at how many people are unaware that the ethnic Han Chinese Singapore people have 100% loyalty to China. Singaporeans are Chinese in the end. They'll co-operate with the CCP if given a better offer. That's Chinese for you, switching morals based on opportunity.
I lived in the region for 20 years including 10 in Singapore and the amount of ingrained anti-white racism and hate of the west in every citizen is palpable. I have zero doubts Singapore will side with CCP in the inevitable war.
Not to mention the entire country was built and financed with CCP resources. If a foreigner is born in Singapore the Singapore govt will immediately grant 3 citizenships to mainland Chinese to maintain the race balance. The big 4 families that built Singapore were all CCP members.
>I lived in the region for 20 years including 10 in Singapore and the amount of ingrained anti-white racism and hate of the west in every citizen is palpable.
Singapore is a Chinese soft asset. This has been talked about many times. Because their government and businesses are dominated by Han Chinese, the PRC gets close to them.
China recruits from their diaspora, even those who fled the CCP in the first place. Money talks and that also creates bonds between PRC officials and businessman with ethnic Chinese businessman elsewhere. The PRC claims to be the guardian of Han Chinese people in general. That's why ethnic Chinese are always vulnerable to collusion. Most of the Triads got hijacked by CCP agents too and became a PRC spy, trafficking and money-laundering network.
When Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai disappeared for weeks after she ratted out in Nov 2021 one of the top CCP leaders Zhang Gaoli (a former member of Politburo Standing Committee) on social media for raping her and it caused a huge stir and got mainstream media coverage internationally, it was a Singaporean news outlet that conveniently happened to stumble upon and interview her in China to show that she's perfectly happy and nothing to worry about.
I hope this was copy pasta
Someone mentioned in another thread that r/sino, r/genzedong and their discords have been raiding 4chan, and now that they've won (remember this is nu4chan we're talking about) they're coming for the rest of the site. Unfortunately for them, the same tactics that work on edgy 14 years old r*dditfugees over on 4chan or /v/ don't work here.
That image and argument might've been effective in 2014, but who could possibly believe that nowadays?
Anon 4chan is literally nothing but seething thirdies, it’s more true than ever
Anon, 99.9% of things on 4chan that could be seen as anti-US are either direct quotes from an US politician or news reported by Western media about what the US is doing.
There is no Chinese/Russian influence required.
Yes, usually taken incredibly out of context or blown out of proportion by third worlders and insanely obvious 5th columnists.
That's a cope and you know it.
>cope
Thank you for admitting you have no actual rebuttal and just hope I back off from insults, 4chan is probably the most compromised place on this site and if you don’t think they blow every chud and spec of rust in a naval shit 1000x out of proportion or out of context because MUH WEST DEGREDATION, you’re just as compromised as they are
Rebuttal to what, your baseless claim? Provide evidence to support your argument if you want a counter.
You can look at poster stats and see that the majority of posters on 4chan are American.
I agree that they might blow some things out of proportion, but you hardly need to exaggerate anything coming out of America nowadays to get demoralized.
>your baseless claim
Anon you only need to look at the raids here to know they’re retards, are you new? 4chan has been shit for a decade.
Speaking of not having any rebuttal. kek
Not all political posts here are crossposts from 4chan.
Ok now you’re just willingly being stupid or are a new friend if you actually think the spam here is totally no 4chan
The most annoying spammer here used to be armatard, and he definitely wasn't 4chan.
Most of the "political" posts now are related to active wars and conflicts, like they've always been.
>I agree that they might blow some things out of proportion, but you hardly need to exaggerate anything coming out of America nowadays to get demoralized.
Lol I bet you browse 4chan regularly too
I just visit the war thread every couple of days.
Not sure if that's regular or not.
>going to 4chan at all
Kek
Sorry to have disappointed you.
China is basically asian 3rd reich to them. Ffs they deepthroat russia of all countries for being trad and antiglobohomo
I’ve come to the realization that if the third reich existed today Hitler would be crowing about a multipolar world and how unfair everything is.
If Hitler had achieved even half of his aims, then he already would've achieved a multipolar world.
I don't think I recount any pro-China message on 4chan ever.
I'm sure they must exist, though.
To be honest i was talking out my ass as i havent been to /pol in years. Thats just the kind of shit i hear people say irl
Where do you live?
Central fl. I heard the same shit in ohio b4 i moved
We need to go back to 2014 before we can get back to 2007.
RETVRN TO TRADITION
God I wish, even /v/ was tolerable then
Bruh, you've got it reversed. As recently as 2021, the CCP was Archnemesis No.1 to the populist Right for driving outsourcing, being commies and unleashing covid, which indirectly fucked Trump out of a second term. Joe Biden was (rightfully) being mocked by right-wingers for excusing the CCP by calling the Uyghur genocide "just a cultural thing" and generally coming off as a pro-Xi cuck. Now 4chan and alt-right/lite YouTube fucking love Xi because he's on the same side as Putin who's on the opposite side of Biden and their parents and their ex-girlfriend.
I think most people here that make authoritative claims about what 4chan believes don't really go to 4chan and just project what they imagine they think.
dont the 4chanacks hate chyna tho?
if anyone on the chan hates them i would think it would be them
Tell us why they bought four F-35s
Interesting theory. Why should I trust the word of some random post over RAND? You have anything to back up your claims and predictions?
The vast majority of Americans and Australians on PrepHole, hate and despise Singapore
...and? Is this a "le hivemind" support post or something? Post something tangible or accept being discounted, its really not that big of a deal.
I’m Australian and I hate them, mainly cause they are majority chinese and see them as suspect
That’s been my whole argument about not trusting Singapore
Which makes certain retards in this thread seethe
>I'm Australian
T.
Based Aussies. I thought you were a chink colony island at this point already due to your people in charge. Thanks for showing me there is still hope.
t. balt
Yeah I dunno why that guy is pretending Singaporeans wouldn't go pro china given the opportunity. The Chinese are very tribal like that, even the ones living in other countries like Singapore or Malaysia. While Singapore isn't a dictatorship controlled by mainland China, they are indeed heavily intertwined due to ethnic and business interests. Singaporeans 100% would prefer to side with China if it didn't make the west dislike them. In the case of a war or something of that nature, Singaporean Chinese will 100% side with the CCP. I have a dozen friends that live there and literally every single one of them have majority of their family members openly disliking the west. They basically have the same weird attitude towards the west and China that far right people in the US have about US and Russia. They support them without being fully blatantly "CCP NUMBAH WAN" about it, they support them obliquely by being overly critical and "devil's advocate" about anything regarding western geopolitics while never doing so for the CCP and defending them constantly.
>The Chinese are very tribal like that
yes, so tribal that both Hong Kong and Taiwan could not wait to jump back into the loving embrace of the mainland kingdom. Cursing the day they developed independent society free from the han supremacist wankery in Beijing
Having local chink diaspora be blackmailed with family hostages back in the mainland does not equate to rabid nationalism. Whatever comes out of the mouth is quickly revealed to be face saving nonsense when you offer them an opportunity to go and fight for the mighty dragon
I guarantee you there is no one we hate more than the fucking Chinese right now.
Fun fact: Singapore tried to send "assistance" during the floods in NSW and Queensland last year. Locals told them to fuck off
>we
Kay, you have fun with that
>Post something tangible or accept being discounted, its really not that big of a deal.
>article by the largest Australian news website isn't tangible
Get fucked you disingenuous gay
You've yet to post an article, "disingenuous gay"
Singapore is more trustworthy with western tech than Israel, who flat out sold shit to the Chinese en masse.
Singapore has no need for F-35 fighters. The value lies chiefly in being able to compromise the technology to the PLA. Singapore is a sanctuary for Chinese billionaires & PLA spies.
>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.
I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.
Why did they buy four?
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.
In what ways does the FC-31 surpass the F-35?
This is completely untrue. The CCP under Deng even used Singapore as a model for how to modernise China because Singapore was rich and prosperous while China was poor and backwards. At best the Singaporeans are ambivalent about the CCP, but they are in no way Chinese puppets or loyal to China.
They could barely contain an insurgency on one of their islands, how would they handle China?
The premise of the paper is not about them engaging China alone. Go back and read it again.
moron we got planes
I wonder how Malingshit is coping with the assumed Singapore support
You'd think they'd be happy since they'd have the chance to retake Singapore if the US is distracted with a war against China
what the fuck? why would singapore provide support while nz wouldn't?
Authoritarians assume everyone but them are weak.
>while nz wouldn't?
Anon...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_New_Zealand_Air_Force#Equipment
They literally have not a single combat plane. Quoting from the report
>New Zealand...few air assets to devote to a major fight and strong incentives to
remain aloof from distant wars
No treaty obligation. Vast cultural differences. Etc.
The first sign of China acting up and Asia-Pacific will get its shit together. Too late for whomever is on the receiving end of the first show, but they will.
>Too late for whomever is on the receiving end of the first show
80% chance Taiwan
10% chance Spratly Island fun with Vietnam, Malaysia, or Philippines
5% Korean shenanigans of some kind
5% wild card conflicts
I'd bump up the chances of a Senkaku conflict. They would want to test the limits of US support before committing to a Taiwan invasion and taking the Senkakus would be a huge blow to containment strategies.
>attacking Japan proper (from their perspective) before securing friendly governments in either Korea or Taiwan
Zero chance.
Taking the Senkakus would be a massive opener, but America has explicitly recognized Japan's claim to them and has greater obligations to assist Japan than Taiwan. For those reasons, I don't think they make for a good first move.
Indeed.
Taiwan would be a hard nut to crack. Unless Big China can insinuate effective fifth columnists and take the island in a week I just don’t see them pulling it off if America intervenes.
I do mean “if.” There’s no guarantee we’re not embroiled elsewhere or crippled economically or socially. A war against China would be a different beast entirely from supplying Ukraine with expiration-discount weaponry.
Retards on PrepHole meme about Singapore being pro-China but their primary foreign policy objective since the Vietnam War has been to keep the US engaged in the region as a balance against the next East Asian hegemon (China for obvious regions but also Japan which invaded them in WW2), as well as to prevent their Muslim neighbors (Indonesia and Malaysia) from killing them.
An American loss over Taiwan will likely result in the US pulling out again and this is something they don't want.
New Zealand is far away enough from all of this and protected by Australia that this doesn't worry them as much, plus they already booted the US out in the 1980s
>This research was completed in 2019, and the report was significantly updated in September 2021—before the February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It has not been subsequently revised.
>Also its out of date
Report was released three days ago. Keep coping
Then that only further proves its Rand being Rand again. ie, give us money and will do a more "comprehensive" study.
>This research was completed in 2019, and the report was significantly updated in September 2021—before the February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It has not been subsequently revised.
>According to RAND Corporation-
Shut up and give me a link so I can actually read it and tear you apart again.
ni hao sir
RAND is always 100% on these things.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/21/weapons-ukraine-russia-invasion-military/
frankly, everyone was stunned by how badly the russians fucked up the invasion. this isnt an L for rand imo.
These think tanks operate based on the information they have. If Russia fools everyone with a potemkin army, of course everyone will assume they're legit.
Also who would predict Russian soldiers would sell their own fuel days before the invasion?
>Also who would predict Russian soldiers would sell their own fuel days before the invasion?
anyone even remotely familiar with post-Soviet Russia
Ha
Some of the comments are great.
>I actually spent 3 years on the frontlines of eastern Ukraine as a monitor and it is entirely incorrect to say that most Ukrainians would be happy under Mother Russia. Even before the 2014 invasion, most Ukrainians wanted more independence from Russia not less. This is what led to the Maidan Revolution: people were tired of being a corrupt buffer state puppeteer by Russia, though in general they did not have an animus against Russia. They compared themselves with other former Warsaw Pact countries, which had been at the same level of development at the end of the Cold War, and who after joining the EU and NATO were now three times richer. Even in the Donbass, a large majority of people wanted to stay in Ukraine, though there was a strong minority that did want to separate and/or join Russia. As people experienced the rule of the DPR and LPR, they became less and less enamoured of Russia. This was born out by actual scientific polling and not simply a few random discussions.
>Contrary to what the article claims, most of the fighters on the DPR side that we met were foreign mercenaries, mostly from Russia. Locals were mostly used for checkpoints and other more routine duties. Besides leadership and mercenaries, the Russians provided copious supplies of weapons.
>Having witnessed the rise of the volunteer battalions from scratch following the disastrous performance of the regular corrupt and incompetent security forces in 2014, I suspect that resistance will be a lot more brutal than Putin thinks besides the other international costs, so yes: the more concrete support the Ukrainians get, the better off they will be.
>Ultimately, an invasion will be bad for everybody except as a short-term ego booster to hardline Russian nationalists.
The rand article is more optimistic vis a vis Russia’s performance than most who had knowledge of the situation.
>The rand article is more optimistic vis a vis Russia’s performance than most who had knowledge of the situation.
Then link it.
Try reading the thread homie
....
No asswipe, post these apparent other sources that did a better job so I can compare them.
The comment posted here is an example
of someone judge the situation more accurately. Go look through tbharchive at prewar Ukraine threads, plenty of people realized that two hundred thousand wasn’t enough to conquer a country of 40 million or the shambolic state of the Russian forces.
>Go look through tbharchive
No
>I'm being a newfag and nobody can stop me
>newfag
As if. Misuse terms however you wish but I'm hardly to take you at your word simply because you insist. You don't need to convince me but nor do I need to pay you any mind. Have fun being inconsequential or whatever.
Newfag is so overused anymore that calling someone that is almost always outing themselves as a fag. We really need flags on this board
>newfags seething
So what were they wrong about? Sending billions of tax dollars in the form of weapons and equipment to Ukraine was a mistake from the start, the US should have looked for a diplomatic way to solve the problem, they should have pressured Zelensky and forced him to compromise. All he had to do was withdraw troops from Donbass republics, cancel his policy of forced Ukrainization of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, repeal laws banning opposition parties such as the Opposition Platform For Life, announce early presidential and parliamentary elections, and resign, moving to an early retirement in one of the Western countries with his family and close circle, and then Russian troops and security forces would quickly cleanse Ukraine of aggressive nationalist organizations and ensure order and security before the elections. By now, so many lives wouldn't have been lost for nothing.
Holy shit all you had to say was see intelslavZ for more for the perfect vatnik caricature
Azov basically hunted and tortured any Russian-speaking residents of Mariupol who did not want to or could not speak Ukrainian. Aidar did the same in Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, Kraken in Kharkov, Dnipro-1 in Dnepropetrovsk, and Donbas in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. All of these nazi battalions were recognized as terrorist organizations not only by Russia and her allies, but also by many Western countries before the SMO began, but now for some reason they are praised and glorified in the West. Isn't it strange?
Maybe instead of supporting these people and using thousands of average Ukrainian men like a cannon fodder it would be better if the West tried to find the way to let Russian people and Russian-speaking Ukrainians live freely in Ukraine, like Russia and Putin demanded from 2014? But the West sponsored these battalions for 8 years, probably even more, send them weapons, money, NATO instructors.
Why are you parroting lies.
For a start Russia has always exploited genocide and deportation, the Tatars were effectively exterminated from Crimea, the Holodomor was quite literally designed around the extermination and replacement of ethnic Ukrainians from what is currently Ukraine for decades. Self determination was used as a tool to oppress Ukraine, the fact that they're using it to fight back against Moscovian terror is your own hubris.
In fact, Sophia (Catherine the great) effectively replaced the names of most Ukrainian cities to sound Greek so Russia could manufacture their cultural connection to Europe enlightenment during their empires expansion, cities like Mariupol, Kherson and Odessa are all fake names. Before this nearly ALL Ukrainians only spoke Ukrainian and Polish.
Ukrainians banned Russian from being taught in schools to effectively fix what was decades of the Russian language being forced upon Ukraine when it was under Soviet rule (To replace Ukrainian and thus Ukrainians). This was is just an extension of Moscovian desire to exterminate Ukraine, again.
have a nice day and learn some actual history instead of the manufactures lies your schools told you.
>Azov basically hunted and tortured any Russian-speaking residents of Mariupol who did not want to or could not speak Ukrainian.
Lmao, Azov was mostly native Russian-speaking.
He probably doesn't realise the Russians ethically and culturally replaced almost 100 million Ukrainians by both the Holodomor and later forcing them to speak Russian (Else they would be considered second class citizens and not be afforded the same rights).
Speaking Ukrainian was always the original language, Moscow forced Russian onto Ukraine to make them into little Russia (New russia), Ukraine simply wanted that stopped.
Russian plants then create their own little "Independence movement" after decades of Russia replacing the locals with people with Russian ties.
Russia caused this war, they wee after genociding Ukraine form the start.
Lol I forgot that Ukraine invaded Russia and sent troops onto Russian soil to illegally seize land. Oh wait, they didn't, they suppressed a foreign led uprising and then got invaded by foreign armies to create separatist regions. Crazy. Good thing they can literally end this by just leaving and taking all those "ethnic Russians" with them. Odd though cause they instead kidnapped actual Ukrainian children and brought them in country instead. No one here is buying the old lie Pidor.
>the US should have looked for a diplomatic way to solve the problem, they should have pressured Zelensky and forced him to compromise
Why?
Seriously
>find the diplomatic solution for your ideological rivals for the last nearly 100 years, when they’re obviously being the aggressor
>Bro, why didn't those dumb bitches compromise when King Solomon magnanimously offered to hack the baby in half?
The diplomatic avenue was telling Russia to fuck off and get out of Ukraine in the UN.
I can believe this, except for the part about india not wanting a chance to take a swing at china over taiwain. Otherwise, yeah I wouldn't expect much help from the people who have the most to lose if china wins. Maybe if china pisses off the philippines more over the coming years we might see a change in their stance, but for the most part I suspect that it'll take a couple decades or more of chinese bullying before the overall attitude changes.
isnt RAND corporation full of vatmorons and said Ukraine was gonna fold instantly?
the famous CIA funded think-tank RAND Corp?
Yeah they were Shilling non stop for vatmorons like that yid Kissinger
>Key Findings
>Australia and Japan have significant security interests at stake in major Asian contingencies. But both will face political (and, in the case of Japan, legal and constitutional) hurdles to participating in wars that do not directly engage them at first.
>South Korea values the U.S. alliance but has little interest in being a cobelligerent off the Korean Peninsula.
>The authors found little evidence that, unless directly attacked itself, Thailand is willing to endanger its security by offering military aid to the United States.
>Several other regional countries—notably India, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam—have very strong traditions of nonalignment and display no evidence of being willing to volunteer to join a war that does not directly involve them.
>New Zealand and the Philippines have few air assets to devote to a major fight and strong incentives to remain aloof from distant wars.
>Various factors will affect final choices of these partners, such as the degree of Chinese belligerence between now and the crisis, degree of U.S. commitment, and political changes in other countries in the region.
LLLLLIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
>US has no support in asia!
source specifically is talking about air assets provided for what I'm assuming are American offensive operations. OP you gay, quit trying to spin specifics into big overarching generalizations for (you)s, kek it's so see through it hurts
In all seriousness, ignoring OP's obvious gayry none of this is really surprising. There's zero reasons for countries like Malaysia or Thailand to attempt to enter a war involving China that's not predicated on their own self defense. Not only that but they don't bring much to the table in terms of capability, I don't even think many of them could power project enough for China to even hold shit in reserve in the off chance they do have to deal with them. Also, based Australians and Japs I really hope we forward base B-21s in Australia.
>Not only that but they don't bring much to the table in terms of capability, I don't even think many of them could power project enough for China to even hold shit in reserve in the off chance they do have to deal with them. Also, based Australians and Japs I really hope we forward base B-21s in Australia.
its not about capability. the u.s does not care what little military aid these countries can provide.
its entirely about bases, logistics and support networks for u.s fleets, troops and planes.
if these countries are willing to provide help they become legitimate targets, thats why absolutely none of them want to get involved at any level
has op been BTFO?
Verily
What's the origin of the escalator meatgrinder meme, anyways?
I think it was either some guy having the escalator just open up like a maw and the gears destroyed him or a mother and child got to the top, the mother walked off, and the top part opened up, and the kid kinda just fell in
There's the even darker one where the parent falls in and with their dying strength holds the kid up and hands it to someone coming to try and help.
Not even a meme, escalators in China have been known to fall apart on the reg and people fall into the running gears.
The fact that there's not one, not two, not three but actual dozens worth of LiveLeak and similar videos from China. This includes getting ground up by one, the escalator catching fire, the escalator failing due to stress and sending people flying into the lower level, limbs getting caught due to shoddy construction with lots of gaps, side rails collapsing, etc.
In most of the world, both escalator and elevator production companies are required by law to do an annual or bi-annual thorough safety check with a whole list of factors. There's only a few accredited companies that construct these, so the few that do know they will possibly go bankrupt if something goes wrong even just one or two times.
But, China being China, it's often cheaper and easier to just falsify documents and bribe officials since, due to the massive scale of China's building projects, it's highly unlikely that anyone will ever check for irregularities in the bureaucratic ocean of files and documents. And if someone does notice, you either bribe them too or use your influence to make sure they shut up or never find work again.
Unfortunately, escalator deaths are quite common everywhere in the world.
https://www.elcosh.org/document/1232/d000397/Deaths+and+Injuries+Involving+Elevators+and+Escalators+-+A+Report+of+the+Center+To+Protect+Workers'+Rights.html?show_text=1
In US alone, ~17,000 get seriously injured every single year. And 30 people die in those incidents. Have you ever seen a escalator death video from the US? There are videos, but likely not available publicly on the net due to threat of lawsuits/job security/higher standard of moral (i hope). In china, such things are non-existent.
Are you actually trying to down play the Chinese escalator thing? Holy shit a genuine shill
No, i'm trying to put things into context here. China's 4X more population + lack of real privacy law + lack of development + lacking morals + US's stronger privacy laws + litigations + criminal prosecution. Is whats likely the difference. Not anything "uniquely" China.
China has millions of escalators/elevators. And since China has billions of cameras (like 540 millions security cameras for surveillance alone from the State, you can add every phone, every shop, every atm, etc...) that shit get posted on liveleak.
The fact that there is dozen instead of hundreds of thousands prove by absence that there is nothing specifically wrong with them.
It's basic understanding of statistics.
Source?
it got posted later
What the fuck would they even do in a USA-China conflict? I think only Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines matter in the slightest just by virtue of being airbases.
This is like asking what Denmark is going to do in 1939.
Act as bases and manpower/material support yeah
Singapore won't provide any support.
>with the exception of Australia
I’d gladly fight with you cunts, always genuinely saw you guys as sea America
Let's be real, Australia would immediately nope out the second they took serious damage. Let's not forget their entire country's existence is dependent on losing at Gallipoli.
US should just plan to not have allies in the Pacific. It'll save everyone a lot of embarrassment.
Your entire plan rests on everyone doing nothing
No, it just assumes only China and the US do any fighting.
Which is a stupid thing to assume, underestimating your enemy is retarded
>underestimating your enemy
I'm on US's side, dipshit. Australia will contribute jack shit. US is surrounded by fairweather friends. We'll have better luck trying to get NATO to help, even though we can't Article 5 due to geographic location.
>forgets the Australian navy
>forgets their air force
>just assumes they do nothing because...uhhh
Yeah
I’m sure Russia said that about NATO too
>even though we can't Article 5 due to geographic location.
We got plenty of help in the sandbox
9/11 attacks occurred on the Atlantic coast north of the Tropic of Cancer.
Yes and nato dented article 5 you retard
You seem to not understand how Article 5 works. Let me explain.
The purpose of Article 5 was to defend against direct attacks on North America or Europe. It was explicitly written to avoid entanglement in colonial conflicts. Atlantic good, Pacific bad.
Ok you’re just being willingly retarded now and ignoring why I mentioned the sand box in the first place, last (you)
AMERICA WAS ATTACKED ON ITS HOME TERRITORY, YOU RETARD
Ok you got me, still not the point I was making you retard
Not even that anon but what point were you trying to make with
Help me out here
That article 5 never mattered in this situation given we have dependable allies in the west and east to for another “coalition of the willing”
Fair enough. For future reference, that point did not at all come through clearly.
I figured but him just going off on random shit was funny
It wasn't random. It was completely in line with the reply chain and I was sharing similiar lines of thinking as him.
>they'll nope out the second they took serious damage.
words said before every self inflicted disaster
>entire country's existence is dependent on losing at Gallipoli
Wtf u on about.
Gallipoli formed the basis of Australian and New Zealand independence movements.
No anon you're thinking of identity not independence. Australia federated in 1901, an identity seperate of the British took many decades to evolve, its commonly accepted it started with campagins like Gallipoli and the Sinai but it goes beyond conflict. sporting competitions also contributed to this identity
Australia has no identity, we're just slightly more evil Brits with worse substance abuse issues.
That is an identity and you're forgetting the racism
>Let's be real, Australia would immediately nope out the second they took serious damage
Even if true, so what? At least they would have helped somewhat. I'll take an irresolute ally over no ally.
More allies are always better wtf ching chong moron. The anglosphere is ride or die
Gallipoli is a nationbuilding myth just like Bunker Hill. In that same conflict, Australia committed way more men and had more losses from its participation on the Western Front
>be australia
>lose some men at gallipoli
>send survivors and a whole fuckload more to fucking france, thus being about the most remotely located fighting force on the western front
>lose more men there than at gallipoli
>ww2
>sup bros just sending our troops to north africa and our navy to the med and most of our air force personnel to england
Yeah, nah
We went to more wars than the Americans last century, kek
Anon America has been at war for over 90% of its existence
>pic
I see you. I would be lying if I said I was disappointed when I opened the thread and I beat you here. Thanks for coming through in the end.
Congratulations Australia!!
You get to be the only country in the global south, to NOT survive the nuclear holocaust. Hope whatever it was the American's bribed your politicians was worth it.
i know this is bait, but australia isn't part of the global south you retard
Ah, my bad. Guess, Australia was always going to get their delivery of nukes. They just confirmed their order on Aliexpress.
>MUH NOOOOKS
Pathetic
Thats because they know that US would never fully commit, US doesn't even commit fully in Europe, let alone Europe in Ukraine. They know that US would not commit to Taiwan. They know that US's pre-eminence will decline in relative manner (porportionally to the rise of China's naval powers) over the next decade. US has given up a lot as China grows.
US is a 100 year old world power. China is a 2000+ year old power that's on the verge of waking up.
>Thats because they know that US would never fully commit, US doesn't even commit fully in Europe, let alone Europe in Ukraine.
Japan, December 5th, 1941
Japan was exhausted from the war in China over the last 10 years, their oil about to nearly run out due to years of oil embargo, economy thats 1/5th that of the US, ships barely able to properly refuel, etc, etc
US didn't fight an empire that had its fangs sharpened, with full equipement with a population thats 4x larger, industrial base thats 1.5X larger, etc.
Yes but they also had an army with experience instead of whatever the fuck China has
>army with experience
Failing to defeat insurgents is not relevant experience.
I accept your concession chang
China woke up 40 years ago. It's apex was 2019 and is now sliding into demographic decline. It is basically set in stone at this point that they did not escape the middle income trap and it will be two generations before they have another shot at climbing the value chain in any meaningful way. They got old before getting rich.
America also landed on the moon before it turned 200 years old. China didn't even figure out that the earth was round before Europeans told them.
>Vietnam
Not surprising given they're literally bordering China and would immediately become a 2nd front should things escalate
>Malaysia
Too busy seething at Singapore to care
>Flips
Same with Vietnam. They're so underequipped that providing support would just leave them even more defenseless than they already are.
>Indonesia
They're doing an India and trying to be the next superpooper. If anything they want all the regional powers to bleed themselves dry.
So now we need at least one CHINA STRONK thread up at all times? Are you at least getting paid in r*ddit gold on r/sino or whatever they have on discord, OP?
i'm kind of surprised singapore is willing to do anything to be honest
Tiny countries don't like big countries invading neighbours all willy nilly
They're not doing to do anything. They aren't helping Ukraine and they didn't help during the Vietnam war.
>Singapore isn't helping Ukraine
Yeah, no shit, sherlock
Singapore was the only Southeast Asian country to join in on Western sanctions against Russia in 2021 and provided logistical support to the US Navy during Vietnam
>Singapore was the only Southeast Asian country to join in on Western sanctions against Russia in 2021 and provided logistical support to the US Navy during Vietnam
Singapore doesn't give a fuck about Russia, that's why. Chinese companies have likely sold more drones and parts to Ukraine than Russia too because they don't give a fuck, they'll do whatever they think is best for business.
Singapore is not getting involved with Korea or the Philippines unless it's at gunpoint. They will get involved with China but that's because they likely *will* be held at gunpoint since they're a PRC-compromised state led by Hamorons.
Sure thing, Chang
but no one in east asia likes each other
they tolerate each other at best
No one likes China though
Japan as rear echelon makes sense, as they're the ones going to be pelted with thousands of missiles if a US-China confrontation kicks off.
Korea is disappointing.
The air assets which the countries in question have available to contribute
Okay, let's be real here: No one is really trusting the DPRK plane numbers at this point right?
Also, how up to date is the info (ie where did you pull it from)?
>japan, korea, taiwan, australia and the seamonkeys combined have about as many modern airframes as china
>USAF+USN combine for double the amount
why the fuck were we ever worried about china? I really thought they had a more implessive airforce than this. are they really going all in on the russian cope of AA + SRBMs to deny control of the sky? Has this EVER worked?
The issue with a US-China war is that it'd drag the two powers and the rest of the world into an economic and political death spiral. Even if the US won, it'd be little comfort if it ruled over an Asia in ruins. At least with WW2 only Germany and the Low Countries saw the absolute worst of it. A US-China war would see missiles raining down on Okinawa, Guam, and Taiwan; the Norks maybe thinking this is their chance, and lord knows what stupid bullshit the Russians or Iranians would try to pull.
This is why politicians want status quo so bad. Nothing is ruined yet. That's good, and preferable to "oh great, we're in a new dark age. Now what?"
No one wants a war but Cina has repeatedly and consistently stated that the use of military force is under consideration for them to (re)acquire Taiwan and their planning has reflected that. So, we prepare for the worst because to do nothing would be the greater evil even if we'd rather not.
I think the current problem with China is Jinping, the CCP specifically chose him to make China distance itself from the west, but he has taken things too hard, what they are doing to the muslims, their zero-covid policies, all the talk and actions to defeat Taiwan, I knew sooner or later their one child policy was goong to bit their colective ass, but all these hints and some of them actually coming here to start these sorts of thread are an indication they have fucked it badly.
If the problem was only Xi they would remove him but they don't
I mean, I used the word "current" to refer the fact things have gone down the toilet since they put him in charge, but yes, there is a more general and long lasting problem with the chinese, the Century of Shame and the disasters under Mao are experiences which harmed their already suffering psyche, I think Tianamenn and the One Child policy is what truly mindroke them into what they are now, which is even sadder when you notice they are far more subtle than the russians when trying to start a fight, instead of outright lies they pick half truths or even specific truths and then proceed to argue over their validity, knowing countering with them will at least require some extra research.
They are as persistent as the russians, and far more cunning but precisely because of that they let their animocity get the better of them and this in turn reveals their inferiority complex born from knowing they have been getting the short end of the stick for nearly half a millenium, the CCP wont let that one go.
make Taiwan dutch again.
Russians would be the least of their worry.
>economic and political death spiral
>MUH ECONOMY!
midwits used to say word for word the exact same thing pre WW1. War in euro was IMPOSSIBRU as the economy! was so connected. Reality is that raw political power ALWAYS trumps money making. As well for the spots opening up from the cheap chang shit spam getting cut off, markets (like nature) dont like any empty spot and it will be an opportunity to be filled by enterprises
People buy into “everything is made in China now” meme. Also such a war would be incredibly disruptive.
>even if they had an Ireland tier military
I think they are even worse off.
That's actually a funny scenario idea: They get teleported near each other and a war breaks out, who wins?
If we removed zionist occupation and endless foreign wars of aggression for war profits and selfish zionist reasons, the nations of Asia would receive us as mighty friends. Instead of driving up cost of living by fighting pussyfoot political "trade wars" for zionist votes for the GOP.
The man who cares more about the United States and the American people than starting wars overseas would have the economic co-operation of allies and the prosperity this entails for the American people. They just wouldn't have all their dirty war profits and political favors for their rich buddies. I'm sure the American people will be fine even if the rich people don't get their dirty endless wars to sacrifice the American people in.
Some nations are heavily armed so that they can defend their countries and maintain neutrality. That would be better than mass shootings and endless wars. If people trusted the establishment and the establishment had their best interests in mind. Not possible under zionist occupation.
>Give up American hegemony so you can live und the yoke of shithole countries
>don’t worry the bugmen won’t backstab you the moment they sense weakness
>"antagonizing" china is what causes mass shootings
now thats a new one
lol, lmao even, Japan has already publicly stated that they'll have no choice other than join the United States in a war against China, if the Chinese invade Taiwan.
Pretty sure Japan would support them but the dumb fuck Americans neutered their military capabilities after WWII
There was a chance they would flip red. Look up all the wild shit the nips got up to in the cold war
If Thailand were to offer any "Air Assets", it would just be airfields like they've done with pretty much every major conflict the US has been involved with post WWII. And probably only in a Korean conflict, as they're too deep in with china for arms nowadays.
The question you should be asking, is what has the US done to earn SE Asian countries trust and support?
For example, despite the fact that Malaysia is a larger and more strategically important country when it comes to countering the PRC in the South China Sea, the US has chosen to favor Singapore diplomatically and arm it with latest equipment like F-35 and HIMARS. While Malaysia's armed forces facing budgetary constraints. Yet US only provides token assistance to Malaysia such as donating maritime surveillance radar and MPAs. Just because Malaysia in the past adopted a principled neutral stance and refuse to support illegal US war in Iraq, Israeli occupation of Palestine and condemn Russian war in Ukraine.
Contrary to what people say, Malaysia bought russian and american aircraft out of necessity, not simply because of shit and giggles. For years malaysia had been denied access to more modern aircraft because the US is playing favorites with singapore, philippines and thailand. At one point they just said "fuck this" and went to the russian instead. America putting both Indonesia and Pakistan under military sanction really spooked Malaysian decisionmaker hence why they're willing to buy russian made equipment which is generally cheaper and russia is willing to accept almost anything as payment.
>Malaysia wanted more F/A-18
>Malaysia looking for second hand USN/USMC F/A-18
>Uncle Sam said no. Instead offered up F/A-18F
>Malaysia tempted to buy F/A-18F but didn't want to surrender their existing F/A-18D as part of buyback option
>Deal went dead
>Suddenly US came back and "hinted" that they may export F-35 for Malaysia if they could permanently stationed their F-15/F-16 in Malaysia because reasons.
>Malaysia said "take that F-35 of yours and shove it up your ass" subtly
Til now American suffering loses because Malaysian opened the market gate for Russian and European arms sales on SE Asia and destroying the American arms sales monopoly.
>Malaysia is entitled to US military handouts
No, go fuck yourself
If US want Malaysian support against Russia dan China, don't expect anything else
>If US want Malaysian support
Who asked?
For poor informed American: Malaysia controls the Straits of Melaka. So any attempt to block Chinese trade will need their cooperation
Tell that to the USN and get back to me never.
Never underestimate with Malaysia...look at what happen to Israel, it come with high alert & new technologies in army forces but still got knockout by Hamas Army, We Malaysian people love to peace...but if anyone try to make something stupid to our country we don't care who there are.
>get back to me never.
Certified brown-skinned "Bruh" moment.
The US needs Malaysia, not the other way round
Funny, you were the one begging for military handouts. If we need you so bad and you don't need us then there is no issue with us walking away and telling you to go fuck yourselves. Have fun with, Xi.
It's dangerous if the weaponry leans more towards the west, especially America, the strangest policy is, the fighter jets have been purchased but their use requires permission from them
For F-18 Malaysia, the Malaysian technician was not given the source code for the settings when there was a mission, they had to report to America first. And again, Turkiye, just because they bought defense equipment from Russia was kicked out of the F 35 program, remember that before Indonesia was embargoed, the Air Force was paralyzed
> gib aircraft we cant afford, I promise we will definitely repay the debt we'll go into just trying to buy some
Unparalleled stupidity.
Even when the US does sell weapons to poor & unstable countries, they're not stupid enough to give out the complex tech involved in their software or manufacturing without making them give HUGE concessions.
Malaysia didn't want to concede literally anything so they don't get shit.
> pls invest in poor country because ur rich
That isn't how militaries work, otherwise everyone would be getting amazing kit in exchange for literally nothing.
If Malaysia wants to get US kit, they have to give something in return.
> b-but russia & china
Russia & China let small countries to massively into debt so that they can enforce their demands later on, it's how China owns a lot of ports and its how you see Russian kit in a fucktonne of poor countries that buy oil from Russia at a premium.
The difference is that the US doesn't abuse debt like that.
> Refuses to ally with US
> Even refuses to align with the US in the media
> Despite it costing literally nothing except a few words and no policies or money
> Upset when US doesn't give weapons
What.
>According to RAND Corporation
when are these dickheads ever right though, theyre just corporate shills lmfao
America has little support in most operations beyond the doorstep of whatever allies.
Funny how the nation most known for being fat has the fewest problems hauling men and equipment across the world en mass.
Well it’s almost like we got insanely good at logistics st home first, leading to massive amounts of easily available food, then put that into practice everywhere else.
indeed. America's downfall is literally it being on top of the world.
The insult title of world police isn’t really a joke anymore
it was never a joke, though europeans were understandable a little slow to understand it.
Are they assuming China won't attack US bases in Japan, Korea and the Philippines? That's the only scenario where those countries would not get fully involved
China's best shot at Taiwan means neutralising Kadina before America can respons with local air assests
A successful first strike on Kadena would be a huge blow but they'd really need to hit Yokota, Gunsan, Osan, and Misawa too to prevent a huge counterattack. Yokota is big but the air assets are fairly spread around the sea of Japan area too. The issue is that such an attack would likely put Japan in full war mode, as thousands of JSDF staff and civilians would be casualties. I've heard people argue that Japan will slink away and try to broker peace, but I believe they'd be more likely to mobilize all assets and prepare to "turn the (nuclear) screwdriver."
A neutralizing attack against most USFJ naval and air assets would be an immense undertaking, and if successful, that would result in such loss of life that the Japs and Americans would be champing at the bit to make heads roll.
With Japan already wanting to rearm, that would just push things into over drive, not to mention it would be Uncle Sam arming them because duh. And the last nation/group that decided to attack us soil/citizens saw an entire nation toppled and sat on for 20 years, dead Americans aren’t ever good, but it makes the MIC very excited.
Yes.
The chart is specifically about which countries will lend combat aircraft to assist in US led operations in the given scenario (in which they are otherwise not directly engaged). Someone linked the actile report earlier and its pretty much spot on in that context.
So China sits there, sees the west voltron into a war production machine when an authoritarian country attempts to sack and burn a smaller nation, sees Americans have a general sense of supporting under dogs and know that starting a war with them will lead to economic disaster...with NO ALLIES TO HELP THEM INVADE, SOMETHING THE LAST 150 years should tell you is a really stupid idea, and still want to?
Its not an invasion, its soverign Chinese clay and they are "liberating" it.
Remember, be the American Japan thinks you are.
Whatever semantics they want to delude themselves with not withstanding are they actually just as blind as Putin? Even fucking best Korea knows they’re small fries, how can Xi seriously look at this situation and go “yeah it’ll go easily, the west is weak!”
Honestly, I don't think he cares. He spent his whole life/career working towards this and he wants jis name in the history books. He's like 80, what does he have to lose?
Same thing as Putin, a fumbled invasion and being known as emperor Pooh for the rest of history
I am Zhang Wang from California Zìzhìqū and I am demoralized. We need to push for peaceful unification of China and stop poking the dragon in South China Sea!!
58251981
>secret passcode larp again
Based, looks like the grifting and bluffing garden gnome mutts are on their own "protecting" their "allies".
We are entering a new age boys, USA is being taken apart brick by brick and it dismemberment is inevitable.
Back again already? I guess it’s been an hour
Yep
Next you’ll post the Wikipedia article right?
probably that Iran influence meme that is total nonsense
They’re, if nothing else, predictable
People recycling talking points from the 2000s and 2010s after everything that’s changed is just stupid. China’s decided to antagonize everyone around them while covid’s raped their economy and Russia’s decided to short themselves repeatedly in the dick while relegitimizing nato and western militarism. Both countries have for some baffling reason abandoned the strategies that saw them positioned to unseat American hegemony.
>be China
>piss off India, they're now making security, intelligence and trade deals with the West
>piss off the Philippines, they're now building 4 more US bases
>piss off Australia, they're now getting Nuclear Powered Submarines
>piss off the Europeans, they're now stalling your long touted Investment deal
VGH the legendary Chinese long term planning
Zalensky should have just immigrated to USA and become a CIA agent doing cocaine contracts with south american cartels.
Sadly he was responsible much to the displeasure of Russia
Mohon rakyat Malaysia dan Indonesia. Jangan biar ada yang mengadu domba hendak memisahkan hubungan erat ini.
We are the Guardian of Selat Melaka. Don't let them break us and destroy us
Sesama ATM dan TNI elok je kawan buat operasi sekali. Sampai kat segelintir rakyat je bebal
This looks very accurate actually. Except I highly doubt Singapore would give "limited support" in the case of war over Korea or the Scarborough Shoal (Philippines).
In the case of a full-fledged Taiwan war, even though Singapore doesn't want to they'd be pressured into helping, but it would be logistically and not militarily.
Shut the fuck up Chang. You think you know better than RAND Corp? You dirty, fucking gay?
>Shut the fuck up Chang. You think you know better than RAND Corp? You dirty, fucking gay?
Stop being triggered you chink-obsessed gay.
Just like the US and NATO made Russia believe they’d have trouble fighting them they are now making China believe the US has no allies in Asia. Just to lure them out and bite them.
>no country in the Asia Pacific is willing to provide military support
ask misleading questions get misleading answers. the point of US policy in the pacific is to maintain a strong posture such that China can't coerce surrounding nations into alliances
cope chart. China is gonna fuck around and find out
The only cope here is from you, when not even neocon thinktanks believe that the US will enjoy regional support
Chang pride will be their downfall
This is a reminder for that fact USAF is the strongest air force followed by the navy, army and marine corps. russia is a fucking meme if they can't even establish supermacy against the ukrainians
>russia is a fucking meme if they can't even establish supermacy against the ukrainians
They can. No need to do that right now. It is easier to grind NATO forces in a slow war of attrition than to quickly crush Ukraine in a few days, because Russia's main enemy is not some small Ukraine, but the entire West.
Jesus Christ come on man even I know you don’t believe this shit
pretty clear from the pic that Australia's the one who's down for anything and the japs are eternally America's most obedient bitch.
it's over for Murica. China industrial power...too much...Xi Jinping is far too good of a leader...
>chinesium steel
keep it
oh please fuck off already. reminder, chinese cities only look cool and flashy because of the lights at night
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but they're ugly shithole cities in the daytime:
https://youtu.be/u_k_I6VaN34?t=3755
https://youtu.be/y9K-FhE3AfE?t=472
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https://youtu.be/MIUD-FE8rco?t=3447
the flashing lights are there to flood the slaveinsect populations eyes with light and make them tired and unable to fight.
All photoshop
This is lies. They're not better than US. Its impossible
China will glow stronger!