Unarmed Combat Thread - Humans as Weapons

What is the best form of unarmed combat and why is it muay thai?
>technically armed cuz of the gloves
ykwim fag

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do you walk to the convenience store with Muay Thai gloves on?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you not?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing Muay Thai is like only 25% punching. Less if you consider throws and sweeps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Right, an arm is by definition a deadly device -mitten are not deadly so they are not arms.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You do know there is bare knuckle Muay Thai right? They didn’t always have 16oz Fairtez gloves you fat never trained fag

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not to mention most Muay Thai fights now, at least the best one's being put out by orgs, like OneFC, have them fighting in MMA gloves.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          One is going to be what makes MT explode in the west and over take MMA and boxing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed. I had stopped paying attention to Muay Thain until the absolute fucking BANGERS of fights ONE FC has been releasing. Even my super nerdy geeky friend who I could never get to come with me to a gym has been hitting me up letting me know how he wants to watch some of those fights with me.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A pirate hook hand

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >loses to Dutch kickboxing
    Muay Thai is extremely limited due to their retarded rules that discourage punching and general aggressiveness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it doesn't though. MT guys transfer into MMA easily for example while dutch kickboxers get ktfo. the fact that they have to deal with some level of grappling is really good for making a style that transfers outside of the playpen.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As an aside why is it that no one in the MMA knows how to throw a decent punch?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          because a lot of MMA guys see boxing as outdated, obsolete and not worth investing in when submissions, K&B and kicks do a lot of the work.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >because a lot of MMA guys see boxing as outdated
            poor mindset considering silva got his ass kicked by a youtuber last night that just cruise controlled jab cross for 8 rounds

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it's almost like boxing skills do very well in boxing matches and not so well outside of them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Boxing skills do great outside of boxing, exclusively having boxing skills is what does poorly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that's an exaggeration, but the answer is the same reason as before. MMA striking borrows a lot from MT. boxers and kickboxing styles that emphasize boxing also go hand in hand with not being prepared to clinch and grapple effectively. it becomes more advantageous to strike 'good enough' while being prepared to defend at all levels than it is to have hands

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, in MMA, anyone who can actually throw a jab is considered a great boxer. I mean, look at Conor McGregor's reputation, then look at that coked-up leprechaun's joke match with Floyd Mayweather, with him throwing hammer fists like a fucking clown.

          George St. Pierre isn't bad, look at his match with Josh Koscheck, he got so pissed at Cockcheck riding him and his team and his entourage like the retarded frat boy douchebag he is that he basically jabbed him to pieces the entire match just to cause maximum damage without knocking him out.

          Chuck Liddell isn't bad either, I think his crowd-and-clinch game would get him DQ'd in boxing, but in MMA he can brawl and sprawl all he wants. Clinching with one arm and punching with the other is an old Urquidez move, he probably got that through John Hackleman, one of Benny The Jet's black belts.

          MMA just lends itself more readily to wrestling that the kind of specialisation that creates good boxers.

          Spider and Bones certainly had great hands on their good days, when Bones isn't snorting powdered day after pills or when Spider's opponents refuse to punch first and he just stands there like a Tekken character when you drop the controller.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jones never had hands, he didn't need them tho because he'd kick your knees in, his jab range is measured in miles and he had an unstoppable clinch

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              He has hands though, with the fingers at the end of them usually burried in the opposition's eyeballs. What a waste of agricultural potential though, that moron could pick cotton from two plantations afar with that kind of reach

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                eyepokes are the best base for MMA and streetfighting

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they do know how, but standing in a boxing stance is terrible for defense against kicks and wrestling.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then how come every time they try coming over to boxing they look worse than the guys sparring at a run down gym?
            People still talk about Don Frye's striking in hushed tones like a legendary hero when he was a mediocre boxer at best. Being a mediocre boxer makes you a legend in MMA striking.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Being a mediocre boxer makes you a legend in MMA striking.

              MMA fighters will not do well against high-level boxers in a boxing match and it's the same case when a boxer faces an MMA fighter inside a cage. MMA fighters are bad at boxing because they can’t focus only on boxing training. MMA fighters have to divide their time between training for wrestling, muay thai, and jiujitsu, resulting in not enough time left to train to become good at boxing.

              Boxers, however, only have to worry about their hands. Because they are solely focusing on boxing from their amateur career to daily training to their professional career, they are already at a much higher level compared to the average MMA fighter’s boxing ability. There are some MMA fighters who come from a boxing base, but even then, they are likely to lose against high-level professional boxers.

              There certainly seems to be more knockouts in MMA than in boxing, which may lead you to consider that MMA fighters punch harder than boxers. That’s not necessarily the case. In MMA, four oz gloves are usually used. This usually means fighters can generate a lot more power with their shots which ultimately leads to more knockouts. In boxing, however, gloves usually range from 10 oz to 12 oz which means you need a lot more natural power to get frequent knockouts.

              In the end, MMA and boxing are two different sports even if they both use the same martial art. MMA fighters will not do well against high-level boxers in a boxing match and it’s the same case when a boxer faces an MMA fighter inside a cage. However, with the right training, circumstances and opponents, fighters from either sport can still find success in the other.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                MMA boxing also tends to look worse because the threat of a double leg or a kick to the liver forces fighters to keep their hands lower, so they get punched in the face more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Wrong: The Post

                Anyways, best bet is a blend of boxing and wrestling. Spend enough time in mma or grappling gyms and you will notice that solid wrestlers from hs/college have a reputation for frustrating and hurting people. Take down defense/scrambles and aggressive single/double shoots are enough to whip most peoples assess. Blueberries up to black belts hate admitting it, go watch and see for yourself as they get picked up and dumped.

                Striking? Boxing. I will never not emphasize it enough. I have watched for over a decade Muay Thai kids, karate, kickboxing, etc. with varying degrees of experience from beginner to pro crawl in a ring the first time and get absolutely rocked. Boxing is a considerably meaner and more aggressive sport than people realize. Including MMA. People die in boxing, mma and the like it is far less common.
                >t. amateur 8-2 boxing, 2-1 mma

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                people die in boxing because the bouts are longer and giant pillows on your fists lends itself to punching without regard for damage. i would bet that if bare knuckle were more common it would be significantly less fatal despite causing more minor injuries.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So other fighters get tired more easily and their hands hurt is what you’re saying? How sad 🙁

                You don't understand. Since MMA fighters are so used to utilizing other parts of their bodies such as their elbows, knees, and legs, it can be very difficult to make the transition to boxing when you’re sacrificing so many of your weapons. It’s not only the weapons, but stances and overall strategy. Conor McGregor, for example, is known for his knockouts in UFC while wearing 4oz gloves. But while wearing 8oz gloves against Floyd Mayweather, McGregor was unable to hurt Floyd one bit with the strikes he was able to land.

                Someone like Khabib Nurmagomedov can get away with a decent-at-best boxing level in the UFC because he is so specialized in grappling and wrestling which, in turn, causes his opponents to worry about defending takedowns. But with no takedown threat in boxing, a boxer won’t have anything to fear and will likely have demolish Nurmagomedov.

                As a general rule, MMA fighters’ chances of succeeding in boxing are not good. This isn't to say that MMA fighters will always lose in pro boxing. After all, one just needs to look at former UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva’s success since competing in boxing after his release from the UFC. Silva was notably able to defeat former boxing champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. even if he had a size and height advantage. Another MMA fighter who succeeded in boxing is former UFC and current PFL lightweight Clay Collard. The main point is that MMA fighters can be successful and get wins in pro boxing.

                Conversely, there are many cases of boxers transitioning to MMA, sometimes even as a full-time career. The most notable names include former UFC bantamweight champion Holly Holm, Ray Mercer, James Toney and Heather Hardy to name a few. Holm was undoubtedly the most successful boxer to transition to MMA. The others haven’t been so successful or active, and it’s only natural when you go from training one art exclusively to now having to worry about wrestling, jiu-jitsu, a clinch game, kickboxing and much more.

                > it can be very difficult to make the transition to boxing when you’re sacrificing so many of your weapons.
                And since most of them haven’t even learned to use their hands to begin with.
                > Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
                Chavez Jr has never had a serious fight in his life, dude has been a joke since his father put him in. And Silva literally just lost to a YouTube boxer who hasn’t even fought one pro boxer yet.

                Mercer is the only one worth mentioning and honestly his career was mediocre aside from the highlight of destroying Morrison.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                christ on a stick, i know boxers are morons but you are niggest. no, i am not saying other professions have low stamina and hurty hands you dumb gorilla moron, i am saying the way the sport of boxing is set up causes humans to act in a way which is more fatal. it doesn't make you "hard" it just makes you stupid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don't understand. Since MMA fighters are so used to utilizing other parts of their bodies such as their elbows, knees, and legs, it can be very difficult to make the transition to boxing when you’re sacrificing so many of your weapons. It’s not only the weapons, but stances and overall strategy. Conor McGregor, for example, is known for his knockouts in UFC while wearing 4oz gloves. But while wearing 8oz gloves against Floyd Mayweather, McGregor was unable to hurt Floyd one bit with the strikes he was able to land.

                Someone like Khabib Nurmagomedov can get away with a decent-at-best boxing level in the UFC because he is so specialized in grappling and wrestling which, in turn, causes his opponents to worry about defending takedowns. But with no takedown threat in boxing, a boxer won’t have anything to fear and will likely have demolish Nurmagomedov.

                As a general rule, MMA fighters’ chances of succeeding in boxing are not good. This isn't to say that MMA fighters will always lose in pro boxing. After all, one just needs to look at former UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva’s success since competing in boxing after his release from the UFC. Silva was notably able to defeat former boxing champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. even if he had a size and height advantage. Another MMA fighter who succeeded in boxing is former UFC and current PFL lightweight Clay Collard. The main point is that MMA fighters can be successful and get wins in pro boxing.

                Conversely, there are many cases of boxers transitioning to MMA, sometimes even as a full-time career. The most notable names include former UFC bantamweight champion Holly Holm, Ray Mercer, James Toney and Heather Hardy to name a few. Holm was undoubtedly the most successful boxer to transition to MMA. The others haven’t been so successful or active, and it’s only natural when you go from training one art exclusively to now having to worry about wrestling, jiu-jitsu, a clinch game, kickboxing and much more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that if your plan is just to learn for self defense, then boxing/wrestling is the best bet. However, a Muay Thai fighter will obliterate a boxer in a striking match 9/10.

                Boxing is more brutal, yes, I agree. Because your brain takes the majority of the damage over and over again. However, look at these Muay Thai fighters and tell me this isn't brutal in it's own right. A fighting sport that allows kicks, knees, and elbows and specializes in them is also pretty dangerous.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, I’ve been to Thailand and trained Muay Thai in Phuket, Chiangmai, and Bangkok 3 times. I’ve been to the Fairtex gym, sinby, and tiger. I’ve cornered fighters in Bangala stadium, I speak broken ass farang thai.

                Again, no. I regularly box with thais. They’re the hardest kickers in the world bar none. Weak hands, no angles, and body shots are a foreign concept.
                >pic related, 12yr old I cornered for his 4th KO

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And? What does any of this have to do with anything? Should I also list all my MMA fights and experience? It doesn't change the fact that a boxer would lose to a muay thai fighter more often than not. If what you're saying is true you should know damn well that a boxer would get thrown out of his gameplan the moment he starts getting kicked, and even more in a clinch without a referee to separate them.

                Your assumption is that the boxer will...

                >know how to deal with elbows
                >know how to deal with sweeps
                >know how to deal with trips
                >know how to deal with knees
                >know how to deal with clinch fighting
                >know how to deal with kicks
                >have conditioned legs to take leg kicks

                A boxer would get thrown out of his gameplan with the first hard leg kick he ate. He still has a punchers chance, and an above average one, being a boxer and all, but ultimately, still just a punchers chance.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to add, fucking Thai fighters which train their whole life to take leg kicks can still lose via leg kick TKO, and you're telling me a boxer will just walk through that?

                >Should I also list all my MMA fights and experience?
                Don’t pretend Anon, I can tell you don’t have any lol.
                >you're telling me a boxer will just walk through that?
                Check the kick, Anon. It’s not that hard and it sets you up for a check hook in return.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Now you're just projecting. I started training in MT with Joe Schilling and Mark/Lee since I was 14 at The Yard, then I went to Chute Boxe when it was in Long Beach where I moved on to MMA did a ton of amateur MMA fights in Cammo MMA and then went on to do 5 pro fights before I called it quits.

                If anything, the only one who showed himself to be a liar here is you, especially because you felt the need to be the first one to start throwing around your "credentials". The fact you think that a boxer can just be told to "check leg kicks" and then he's good to go shows just how much of a cringe liar you are. What will you say next? "Just sprawl bro, it's easy to stuff takedowns". Fucking idiot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >throwing around your "credentials".
                >opens his post dick riding no name sparring buddy with a negative record and his home gym
                Lol. Lmao even.
                >”Oh bro I was in a TON of ammy fights and went pro, totes called it quits tho”
                Post pro profile or bust.
                Adorable bullshido advice just to get walked down and KOd by nothing more than ring control and pressure lol.
                >durr werk da clinch n elbows!
                Fucking gay lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You got BTFO so hard, man.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post it enough times and you might start to believe it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just take the loss pussy. You've been found out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And sweetheart?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >MMA fighter from Karate Background lasts all those rounds with one of the greatest of all time in Floyd Mayweather despite never training directly in boxing for the majority of his adult career
                >As opposed to random nobody kickboxer taking out a boxer with just a few leg kicks in the first round

                How do you think Mayweather would have fared in an MMA fight with McGregor? You think it would have looked no different than this boxing match?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to add, fucking Thai fighters which train their whole life to take leg kicks can still lose via leg kick TKO, and you're telling me a boxer will just walk through that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >12yr old I cornered for his 4th KO
                You knocked out a 12 year old in the ring corner? Based, teach the little shits some respect early on

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Don Frye basically pounded the shit out of everyone stupid enough to try to box with him, despite being a low level Boxer and actually better as a wrestler.

                Butterbean as an old man weighing like six gorillion pounds waddled into the ring and basically caved in the skull of everyone he came up against who couldn't get him on his back and win because he "wasn't responding enough" to their punches that were having zero effect on him.

                Hell, the few times Alexander Karelin fought MMA fighters he was able to basically just facetank whatever he had to rushing straight towards the opponent to get ahold of them and then rip them to pieces with his radioactive commie steroid muscles, and he wasn't accustomed to being hit.

                Like, obviously boxing can't be a full skill set, grappling is equal or if anything greater in importance, but the level of hand striking in even the top levels of MMA isnt even... Like forget journeyman level, it isn't even like "best guy at the gym who won a couple of local bouts" level.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's fucking two in the morning and this image made me guffaw like a retard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Holly Holmes was a two weight division champion in boxing and when she aged out of boxing, she came to MMA and won a championship.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >WMMA
                Doesn’t count. Clarissa Shields lost to some no name bum in PooFL, if boxers don’t get leg kicked into oblivion they just get wrestle fucked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >WMMA
                Doesn’t count. Clarissa Shields lost to some no name bum in PooFL, if boxers don’t get leg kicked into oblivion they just get wrestle fucked

                Don’t forget she got her title off Rousey, an absolute striklet bum. She didn’t win via boxing either, she headkicked the cunt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, boxers are significantly better pugilists than anyone else. If you watch boxers fight vs MMA fighters while they're striking it's not even close. Kicks above the waistline aren't going to be significant vs a boxer anyway, so all they need to succeed in MMA is good takedown defense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                she started as a kick boxer and trained wrestling and BJJ under people like Raph Freitas so you basically admitting boxing alone is wildly insufficient for MMA

                Yes, boxers are significantly better pugilists than anyone else. If you watch boxers fight vs MMA fighters while they're striking it's not even close. Kicks above the waistline aren't going to be significant vs a boxer anyway, so all they need to succeed in MMA is good takedown defense.

                >all they need to succeed in MMA is good takedown defense.
                lolololo
                Look, the plain truth is that taken apart MMAers are lousy boxers and strictly mid grapplers but when you put them together they are better than anyone that just does one or the other. We've spent almost 30 years figuring that out under

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >strictly mid grapplers
                MMA is built on top tier grappling talent, it is by far the most important aspect of the game. you clearly don't know shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This. I think anon is forgetting MMA started primarily because of grappler domination. It was a way to showcase the world that grappling > striking in an strictly style vs style scenario on a 1 vs 1 fight.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Really bro? She just fought the champ without ever having spent any serious time learning to kickbox or grapple? DAAAAAAAAS CRAZZZZZZZY BRO!!!!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That’s not true. Watch Dustin poirers striking. He’s very technical. Most aren’t pro level good because they need to focus on other disciplines as well and can’t spend the time to be the next canelo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Whut? In a no rules fight dutch kickboxing gets smashed cause of clinching

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Judo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Judo is limited by a lack of punching defence and ground game. It's an olympic sport, not a martial art. BJJ is what you really want.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        bait

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you ever actually seen judo matches?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if you grab some cunt in dur streetz and slam him down, it will shut down about 98% of people you mong. cross train with a striking art so you can take a hit and bam, you're safe from most unarmed people.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that and judo is great in that it specializes taking down without going to the ground. buggest mistake you see in street fights aside from total lack of coordination is going to the ground on top and thinking they'll beat up/choke the guy just to be stood up or swarmed depending on how moron the crowd is

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                exactly that, it's versatile because at it's core, it was created for defending yourself as efficiently as possible in grappling terms.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Good postin. Most of the best street fighting techniques are things that are illegal in MMA, eg. trip someone to the ground using Judo then just kick the crap out of them

                >if you grab some cunt i-
                *face punch face punch face punch*

                You're knocked out on the ground now. The person you grabbed is stomping on your head. You will wake up in hospital with traumatic brain injury and life long cognitive disabilities.

                Boxing and Judo are a really strong combo

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >if you grab some cunt i-
              *face punch face punch face punch*

              You're knocked out on the ground now. The person you grabbed is stomping on your head. You will wake up in hospital with traumatic brain injury and life long cognitive disabilities.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you can't even box effectively with both feet under you and your arms free. i don't think you're putting anybody out in the clinch

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >crosstrain with boxing
                >switch to striking, trading with untrained retard
                >knock him about easily
                >as he's dazed either walk away or lock him up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >crosstrain with boxin-
                *groin kick*

                Should have trained in an art that realises people can kick.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >pulls out gun and shoots you
                I can do it, too

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Disarms you
                I know how to do this because I learned krav maga, which is actually made for a modern world.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                krav maga works great against people in the McDojo that let you do moves on them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                LOL. What a retard. I hope you get knocked out by a moron and then if you don't have brain damage, manage to get yourself into a respectable MMA gym

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely terrible disarm in that gif

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't understand the disarm meme
                Why would anyone with a gun stand so close

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can't get someone to hand you their wallet without getting close.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Krav gyms use it as their 'showoff' move to entice new customers to join. However, if the instructor is any good, they'll point out that gun disarms are extremely situational, and should only be used as a last resort if you're close enough to do so. And like

                Absolutely terrible disarm in that gif

                said, the disarm shown in

                https://i.imgur.com/RLZryOt.gif

                >Disarms you
                I know how to do this because I learned krav maga, which is actually made for a modern world.

                is fucking terrible. For a start, the defender doesn't move off the line to avoid a shot going off.

                You can't get someone to hand you their wallet without getting close.

                If the thug is smart, they'll point the gun at you from five metres away, ask you to put your wallet on the ground, then force you to move back as they approach to pick it up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To be honest I only posted that gif because the gif for the move I'd actually use was too large. It's the move where you don't bother with wrestling for the gun, but push it across and down the gunman's body, into their belt. Then it's chin punching time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that sounds a lot more effective, as long as you maintain enough control of the gun to keep it pointed away from you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You do that by constantly pushing the gun into the gunman. Push so hard as to make him take involuntary steps backward, and keep punching while pushing. If he falls down, fall with him. Only try to get the gun off him when he's dazed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What is a retention stance
                Disarm this you nogunz gay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Boxers need a referee to separate them. You won't have a referee to separate you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Boxing almost always has some instance in which boxers become tangled and seperate. You use that moment that usually occurs from avoiding strikes to grab and throw. Most people really have no clue how to defend a throw when someone’s got their back

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    a kick in the nuts ought to do it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gouging works good too but is generally looked down upon in the sports and even in self defense because it can be so devastating

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gouging out what? Eyes?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Burmese Lethwei is probably more effective, because they fight bareknuckle and use headbutts, but they also tend to end up crippled and retarded because they fight bareknuckle and use headbutts.

    For my money generally Dutch Muay Thai, Cus D'amato boxing, Gene LeBell grappling, Dog Brothers martial arts, and a few individual fighters' personal styles, like Ukidokan Karate, Bas Rutten System, Chun Kuk Do, and Chinese Goju. And whatever the fuck Geoff Thompson called whatever the fuck it was that he did, back when he did it.

    I really want to like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but it's basically suicide in a self defence situation where you fight be facing third parties, to deliberately go to the ground and stay there.

    I really want to like Jeet Kune Do, but the scene is full of LARPers, delusional idiots and flat-out fakes like Christophe Clugston and Walt Missingham. If I had a dollar for every dojo-crashing shitwaffle who shows up to a Dan Inosanto seminar, puts the patch on his gi, and then struts around explaining the concept of BWOKEN WIDDIM to instructors who have been teaching longer that he's been alive, like he's the only one who has ever read Tao of Jeet Kune Do... Fuck Jeet Kune Do evangelism.

    Machida karate has potential, but Lyoto has to stop drinking his own piss.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Brazilian Jujitusu is okay so long as you understand it's limitations. If you've ever been in a fight where you grapple with someone, you'll wish you actually knew how to work the ground game.

      Also BJJ gets a bad reputation because of the sport it's become.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Literally every fight is a grapple because it always devolves into a thing where both sides grab each other's shirts with their non-dominant hand and punch with their dominant arm.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        BJJ is an effective ground grappling solution, but any ground grappling solution is a bad first option outside of guaranteed 1v1.
        I'm honestly more partial to catch wrestling for grappling. Not as specialized, which is a plus outside of a sport contest. Add a few judo throws since dropping someone with a grapple while staying upright and making distance is important.
        I would do western boxing as a striking focus, catch wrestling for grappling, and add a couple low kicks and judo throws to that foundation.

        If two people know grappling, but one knows even just a decent amount of muay thai along with his grappling, there's a really good chance that the Muay Thai striker will be able to defend the other guys grappling enough to outstrike him

        agreed, but that goes for any non-bullshit striking martial art. Muay thai is a good one, but many work. Most forms of boxing fit well, kickboxing or not, but even if you're a golden glove boxer just having a couple kicks you're confident with is big.

        >Wrong: The Post

        Anyways, best bet is a blend of boxing and wrestling. Spend enough time in mma or grappling gyms and you will notice that solid wrestlers from hs/college have a reputation for frustrating and hurting people. Take down defense/scrambles and aggressive single/double shoots are enough to whip most peoples assess. Blueberries up to black belts hate admitting it, go watch and see for yourself as they get picked up and dumped.

        Striking? Boxing. I will never not emphasize it enough. I have watched for over a decade Muay Thai kids, karate, kickboxing, etc. with varying degrees of experience from beginner to pro crawl in a ring the first time and get absolutely rocked. Boxing is a considerably meaner and more aggressive sport than people realize. Including MMA. People die in boxing, mma and the like it is far less common.
        >t. amateur 8-2 boxing, 2-1 mma

        I agree, but part of the reason people die in boxing is the heavy gloves allowing for harder punching without hurting the hands and a much bigger focus on 'grit' as in letting a dude get rocked repeatedly in a fight. Note that in MMA the second someone stops defending themselves from punches the match is called. In boxing, they have a few seconds to get up and then get concussed again. I love boxing but I also kinda hate it knowing what I know about repeated head trauma over a short period.
        that all being said, prime Bas Rutten is the MMA fighter i'd least want to be in a street fight with.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I agree. But for a Boxer to get comfortable with kicks, it's not something he can pick up in a few months. Just like a grappler can't pick up dealing with punches from a lifelong boxer in a few months. At that point, it wouldn't even be fair to call them boxers, kickboxers, or grapplers. They're effectively MMA fighters once they start picking up different arts to the point they can deal with whatever the opposing party is throwing at them.

          People still like the cool Pokemon style vs style idea. Which is why we call guys like Lyoto Machida Karate fighters, despite the fact he has a black belt in BJJ and went to Muay Thai for two whole years to train there before he fought in MMA.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, that's kinda my point. Like, think of a proficient boxer, then give him a year crosstraining in both wrestling and muay thai, taekwondo, karate, or some other art that includes kicks (and focus on the defense - he's already got years of boxing). Or a good collegiate wrestler doing the same with muay thai and some BJJ/catch. Etc. Lots of paths lead to MMA, and they're all valid. But the answer to 'what style is best' is gonna be MMA, since it's the least restricted/specialized by sport-specific rules. And since MMA is so loosely defined, what's best for your body type, size and mentality is not gonna be what works for everyone else.
            And the reason I say catch over BJJ is that while catch wrestling's still an effective ground submission style it also prioritizes not being taken down while BJJ often is more about turning the opponent's takedown attempts into grounded grapples where you have advantage. Both are good in a cage or ring but staying on your feet is crucial in a real fight where someone might jump in or the ground might not be safe to fall back on to.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No disagreement whatsoever. I'd love to study catch but there's zero places anywhere for that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All this but I’d add San Shou to the keeper list. Kick boxing with standing throws and chokes.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just start lifting and learn how to fucking punch, simple as

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >unarmed combat
    Anon both of those guys clearly have arms.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Incorporate moves from Western kickboxing, Muay Thai (Thai kickboxing with elbows/knees allowed), Western wrestling, Japanese & Brazilian Jui Jitsu, Western rough & tumble, and Shaolin iron fists/iron body training. Congrats you're a killing machine. Also, for whatever reason most styles don't Incorporate enough hammerfists. Fucking train and use those, holy shit they're effective.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry rough & tumble is/was specifically an American sport. Could also be called "prison style."

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dirty boxing. There's a reason every sport bans the same kind of thing and when that gay tries to do a takedown and you stick your finger in his eye socket, he'll let go immediately. Stamp on 99% of sports fighters feet while in close and they can't deal with it.
    Be a dirty cunt and you win most fights as long as you have conditioning.
    Krav Maga, the actual non-mall style, encourages every dirty strat including popping testicles for a reason and its because dirty shit is so effective it turns fights instantly.
    Gentlemen's agreements requires both parties to agree and a third to mediate. Otherwise it's just idiocy. I'm all for a clean punch up over a disagreement where when one man touches grass, it's over but in 2022? You are probably sucking on boots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you were a dirty fighter you would carry a concealed blade.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that blade is hard to conceal, so dirty boxing would work better

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have never been in a fight, lol. You've concocted a series of scenarios in your head where the big strong sportsmen are embarrassed by your badass lethal skills.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dudes talking about pulling dirty moves, you dont make any sense man. What are you even talking about.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah he's fantasizing about how effective his super awesome edgelord moves will be against boxers and wrestlers, meanwhile he's never taken a solid punch in his life.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >heh yeah, basically when i get into a street fight i just start biting dicks off. not even a highly trained fighter can keep his dick out of my mouth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s only effective when you are better at clean fighting it doesn’t help you when the other guy is a better fighter in general. They just get pissed and do it back

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Stamp on 99% of sports fighters feet while in close and they can't deal with it.
      You have to get into punching range with a boxer to do that and guess how that ends

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He tries to punch me?
        Heh, gouge his fist.
        >He tries to block?
        Heh, gouge his arm.
        >He turns so that I can't reach his balls?
        Heh, reach through his torso and pull his balls up into his eyes, then gouge them.

        What a fool.
        Too easy.
        Heh.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Stamp on 99% of sports fighters feet while in close and they can't deal with it.
      foot stomps are legal in MMA bro

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like it didn't do anything. He can't get any weight into the stomp. Since he's barefoot, it's not able to cause much blunt damage, either. Body strikes are all about hitting a soft area with a hard area. That's reversed when barefoot stomping another barefoot.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Im sure if you could stomp with your heel you could break bones on the top of the foot/toes it'd just require an awkward angle

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the best form of unarmed combat
    Knowing multiple forms of unarmed combat. At least 1 striking and 1 grappling style as a base.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > muay thai
    lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If two people know grappling, but one knows even just a decent amount of muay thai along with his grappling, there's a really good chance that the Muay Thai striker will be able to defend the other guys grappling enough to outstrike him

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10,000BC martial arts work best but you never see them because they are frowned upon. Unleash your schizo rage and jump onto your opponent, grab their balls and twist/squeeze, while eye-gouging and biting your opponent in the face/neck. They will be paralyzed with fear by your lunatic animalistic primal screams and drooling. Shit and piss yourself for added effect

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you just described krack maga
      just grab an heavy blunt object and wave it around to scare off the attacker till the cops shoot him

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like Krav Maga only works on weak and unmotivated attackers then. It's like a martial art that is trying to substitute all the actual fundamental knowledge of fighting, by claiming to do what MMA fighters wouldn't do on the street. However, as an MMA fighter, I would most definitely kick the balls and eye gouge, etc if I felt the need to.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    modern fighter would all lose against picrel, if he was in his prime

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think that's a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination. MMA stars have crumpled under weaker, less accurate punchers who were slower on their feet.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but you're right. It's not a foregone conclusion. You have two heavyweight males, and one as explosive and dangerous as Mike Tyson, there's always a punchers chance, and a good one too in the case of Mike. However, if you look at actual Mike Tyson fights, and not just highlights, you'll see that Mike Tyson wasn't getting instant KO's the moment the bell rang, sure it happened, but that was not the majority of his fights looked like. Mike Tyson wasn't a slugger, he was a swarmer with technique. He would break his opponents down throughout the earlier rounds and earn a knockout right before the middle rounds got started. That's still many minutes of fighting, clinching, and having the referee break the fights up. Cormier would need to secure one clinch or one leg to take Mike Tyson down to the ground where Mike knows nothing down there.

          I don't know what you think wrestling is, but it isn't who can over power who. Grappling is EXTREMELY skill based. It might not look like that if you don't know what you're seeing, you might just see what appears to be a guy with more strength overpowering another guy, but that's not what is happening. Just like a normie sees Mike Tyson's boxing as a wild pitbull just swinging like an aggressive retard, but actual boxers know better than to think that. A normie might assume the grapplers winning submission or takedown is just strength based but it's all technique based.

          I'm a big fan of recommending grapplers to go to a striking gym even if just for a few months, and vice versa, because the number of idiots who pick a martial art and disregard the other forms of combat is staggering.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with most of what you said on the face of it but a large plurality of Tyson's knockouts were round one, and after only a relatively small number of blows, and I think that you're not giving enough credit to that fact.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how to destory a boxer
      >kick him in the leg
      boxer's stance and how they weight up their legs is why they are terrible outside of their sport. a couple of swift leg kicks put them down. a boxer can check your leg kicks lmao you just target that weighted leg.

      a few kicks and you can work their calves, inner thigh, outer thigh wich removes alot of their speed/power. that headmovement requires solid footing too, so you pretty much destory the boxer's whole game by targeting his legs.

      >b-b-b-but he can just punch you
      unless you're a midget, or you're fighting a 7ft tall dude, your kicks out range his hands by a lot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not to mention, that you will throw the boxers whole game off with just one kick. He's now expecting something he hasn't really trained for and they usually look like deer's staring at headlights once the first kick is thrown. Unless he's willing to bum rush you (basically negating actual boxing) you'll shut down his offense. He'll think you're about to throw a straight since it's the same initial movement as a kicks, but you end up throwing a body kick, leg kick, or head kick and he has to guess which one of those you're going to do, all under pressure while being systematically and painfully torn down, and he doesn't have the experience to know the subtle nuances that can give away which body part the kicker is about to target..

        >boxer pushes in to strike, eats a teep
        >boxer ends up in clinch, eats a knee
        >boxer guards from strikes, eats an elbow
        >boxer is now worried about leg kicks, eats a head kick

        What amazes me is how people think you can teach someone to check leg kicks as if that takes care of everything. Someone should tell that to all the professional Muay Thai fighters who STILL lose via leg kicks LOL. And yet a boxer is expected to learn this shit in a day? or even a few months? When people who do it for a living can't check 100% of the time?

        Feels like I'm back in Sherdog in the earlier 2000s reading some of these posts.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    a couple years ago i went down this rabbit hole and started studying fujian white crane. it's one of the earlier martial arts and from what i gather it started the trend of artsy but useless martial arts - but white crane is definitely not useless.

    i have literally zero formal martial arts experience but i just spent a lot of time watching people training and fighting and listening to people talking about the practical application of the art form. white crane is basically all about grappling and striking but is not a boxing or traditional 'fighting' art but is almost entirely about trying to control the flow of the other person by striking them in response to their movements. it's not even really about doing damage, it's about disengaging. it's all about footwork and duality of purpose in movement

    one of my friends is big into self defense and every time i've sparred with him he's been very surprised at how effective i am and tells me i fight like sherlock holmes in the new movie. the slapping, not the knocking the guy out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t's all about footwork and duality of purpose in movement
      that's every martial art ever you fucking donkey

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This pic made all discussion about martial arts obsolete

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The image kind of hits its punchline too early for me to read the whole thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >of hits its punchline too early
        Ayy lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what did that anon say that was funny?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Punchline, in a thread about fighting and personal combat.
            I thought it was funny

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ah! I'm autistic as hell so I can't understand these things without being guided through them.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wrestling unironically.

    Everything else is too lethal to be of any use in an ACTUAL fight.
    With things like karate, muay thai, krav maga etc. you just have a bunch of wienies standing around going "yah" and fellating each other for being so tough.
    With wrestling you actually PRACTICE your techniques on OTHER people, learning how people react and how to use your abilities to their full extent.
    Wrestling is also a full body workout, and you train your core better then any other martial art.

    Obviously the best way to learn how to fight is to get in a lot of fights, and wrestling simulates that better then anything else.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t. Never trained

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Since when did Muay Thai become popular in the West?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When people realized TKD/Karate/Kickboxing were weak sports and also that chewing up someone’s thighs really fucking hurts.
      Bas and that first gen of Dutch mma guys helped bring a lot of it out too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Getting kicked in the thigh seems pretty survivable. It's a fleshy area of muscle. It's better to be kicked there than kicked in the solar plexus or the head.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thigh chops are a lot like body shots. A couple might not be too bad, but they add up quick and start to make you tired. The leg will also start to charlie horse up and you lose your feet pretty quickly too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >leg kicks are survivable
          Good god no

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's way better gifs you could have used anon.

            Here's a Muay Thai fighter against a BJJ guy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Getting kicked in the thigh seems pretty survivable
          Not from any thai boxer and certainly not for anyone who hasn't trained their legs to take hits that way

          A single kick from a thai boxer against someone who hasnt trained their thighs would be absolutely devastating

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Since Jean-Claude Van Damme and Kickboxer.
      The fighting was impossibly stylised, the training had very little to do with MT, Van Damme himself is a Shoto/Ballet and just faked it by mimicry, but it was such a powerful visual statement that the style exploded and every kid was trying to do splits and kick banana trees.
      It took off, kickboxing as a sport and muay thai as a style, until MMA and UFC stole its thunder.
      Kickboxer and Van Damme did for muay thai what Bruce Lee did for kung fu, Donnie Yen did for wing chun, Chuck Norris did for karate, Steven Seagal did for aikido, and Sylvester Stallone did for boxing.
      The long term results were a generation of badly co-ordinated white guys with gigantic thighs who thought that doing the splits like a ballerina was the zenith of heterosexual behaviour.
      Any suburban white kid who grew up in Western Sydney in the 80's would automatically beat their girlfriends by grabbing and kneeing like a kangaroo.
      Isn't subliminal cultural penetration wonderful?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Any suburban white kid who grew up in Western Sydney in the 80's would automatically beat their girlfriends by grabbing and kneeing like a kangaroo.
        kek

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone is wrong except me.
    The real unarmed combat is SUMO.
    Every real fight comes down to one thing. Who can stand when the other has fallen. Or slipped. Or tripped. Or been thrown or slapped into the shadow realms. In a instant the fight is decided. Real shit.

    Ground and pound? good luck.
    Leg kicks? knocked off balance and thrown.
    Perfectly timed drop kick to the face? Does not stop them. Best punch in the world? shoulders were up so his chin fat stopped the punch.

    Now sure, get them in a pentagon they tire out. But real fighting is the better man throwing another human to the ground while standing to face the next one right away. That's a real fight. In a real battlefield in ancient japan. And the only combat sport that reflects a serious fight. Fall on the ground for even a second, and some asshole with a spear will pin you there by your scrotum. Stay standing, slap the shit out of people, make it back to your team and weapon.

    Being able to run 5 miles would help too, but let's face it, If you want PrepHole to train to be fat or lean, what do you think they'll try to do?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I know you're just fucking around, but not many people outside Japan know exactly what kind of motherfuckers sumo really are. First og all, not all of them are Hutts, and they are top tier bodyguards and personal security after they finish their sumo career. Second, when a dude that weighs 400lbs and can do 20 pushups and jump rope for 30 minutes comes after your ass, you better have a plan. under all that blubber they are fit as fuck in every way.

      Now you're just projecting. I started training in MT with Joe Schilling and Mark/Lee since I was 14 at The Yard, then I went to Chute Boxe when it was in Long Beach where I moved on to MMA did a ton of amateur MMA fights in Cammo MMA and then went on to do 5 pro fights before I called it quits.

      If anything, the only one who showed himself to be a liar here is you, especially because you felt the need to be the first one to start throwing around your "credentials". The fact you think that a boxer can just be told to "check leg kicks" and then he's good to go shows just how much of a cringe liar you are. What will you say next? "Just sprawl bro, it's easy to stuff takedowns". Fucking idiot.

      >throwing around your "credentials".
      >opens his post dick riding no name sparring buddy with a negative record and his home gym
      Lol. Lmao even.
      >”Oh bro I was in a TON of ammy fights and went pro, totes called it quits tho”
      Post pro profile or bust.
      Adorable bullshido advice just to get walked down and KOd by nothing more than ring control and pressure lol.
      >durr werk da clinch n elbows!
      Fucking gay lol

      you're arguing with a dude that thinks pure boxers can last more than 30 seconds in an MMA bout

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know, fighting is 10% physical and 90% mental.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      After a point yeah, But there's a reason weight classes are in every sport.

      I know you're just fucking around, but not many people outside Japan know exactly what kind of motherfuckers sumo really are. First og all, not all of them are Hutts, and they are top tier bodyguards and personal security after they finish their sumo career. Second, when a dude that weighs 400lbs and can do 20 pushups and jump rope for 30 minutes comes after your ass, you better have a plan. under all that blubber they are fit as fuck in every way.
      [...]
      [...]
      you're arguing with a dude that thinks pure boxers can last more than 30 seconds in an MMA bout

      I'm a hundred % serious i tried every move i could think of, Fucker just stepped into it and kept coming. They only wear the diaper so they don't rip out each other's flesh with their bare hands. I have no doubt even the oldest grand champion still alive could kill most of the people posting in this thread with a head stomp.

      How long do sumo's live for tho, i never looked that up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok if you know you know, sumo players are legit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >How long do sumo's live for tho, i never looked that up.
        They have a shorter lifespan than the average Japanese person. They usually die around 60-65 instead of 75-80.

        While they're fit-fat, carrying all that weight for that long isn't that healthy. Sports nutrition is a new concept for sumo wrestlers. The traditional sumo diet is relatively healthy, but many wrestlers smoke and drink like crazy on top of that. You also get wrestlers like Ura who eats 10 McDonald's McDoubles every day.

        webm related, Ura in pink

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >10 McDonald's McDoubles
          >4000kcal
          >200g fat (250% DV)
          >330g carbs (120% DV
          >220g protein
          >90g sat fat (450% DV)
          >Sodium 9200mg (450% DV)
          >Cholesterol 700mg (230% DV)
          this bro gon die good lawd
          >Dietary Fiber 20g (60% DV)
          imagine the smell

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If you want to see how pumped sumos are, watch the rear leg when they lock up. Watch for the moment those watermelon-sized muscles flex through all that blubber, and realise that they're all built like fucking linebackers, you just can't see it under the fat man suit lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            jesus chirst those ass muscles

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rugby Union players do this type of scrum pushing all the time. I bet they'd be better at sumo wrestling.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fighting is 10% physical and 90% mental.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like 3 Judo throws and knowing how to throw proper headbutts and elbows will get you pretty far.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    *shoots a double leg*
    nothin personnel kid

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Proper muay thai is actually great for unarmed combat. Their grappling is extremely deadly to any stand up fighters and thus aren't allowed to use them in any standup boxing that isn't traditional muay boxing.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jujutsu/Judo, wrestling, boxing, karate/muay thai

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How long does it take to become competent-ish in your martial art?

    Are there any schools or intensives where you can learn it to that level in a reasonable period of time?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is super hard to quantify. It depends on your age, what shape you're in, the martial art you're doing, etc. If you're in your teens or early 20s and you're in reasonably good shape and you focus on the few hours you're putting in a week, in 6 months you could probably say you can defend yourself from a random thug/street fighter with confidence, provided it's just a fist fight.

      If you want to feel like Mr. Shit King Shit Pussy, then we're talking about 2 to 3 years, and this is only against other random bozos, which is fine, because you're learning martial arts to fight cretins, not professional fighters.

      Within the actual fighting community, 2 to 3 years isn't that much. BUT, it's also like stated earlier, about dedication. I know TONS of dudes in my MMA gym who have been going for YEARS. Their whole 20s well into their 30s, and they NEVER improve because they don't actually sit down and study anything or try new things. They just do the same thing over and over. Getting good at fighting is like getting good at shooting. You can't just dry fire into the wall all day and become a good shooter. You have to study tactics, techniques, skills, and then work on them. Same applies to fighting, you need to study as well as work on things. The good thing is, that once you put in the work, you don't need much to keep your level of fighting. I stopped training in my mid 20s, just recently went to my buddies MMA gym at the age of 30, having turned into a sedentary fat fuck, and I had a sparring session with a couple of the guys and not only did I last, but I beat some of the newer guys who have only been doing it for three years.

      There's just no easy route to being a good fighter, or being a good shooter. Though I've been defending Muay Thai this whole time on here, I would recommend boxing just because most people attacking you on the street wont shoot for doubles, but they will start punching.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what he said

      This is super hard to quantify. It depends on your age, what shape you're in, the martial art you're doing, etc. If you're in your teens or early 20s and you're in reasonably good shape and you focus on the few hours you're putting in a week, in 6 months you could probably say you can defend yourself from a random thug/street fighter with confidence, provided it's just a fist fight.

      If you want to feel like Mr. Shit King Shit Pussy, then we're talking about 2 to 3 years, and this is only against other random bozos, which is fine, because you're learning martial arts to fight cretins, not professional fighters.

      Within the actual fighting community, 2 to 3 years isn't that much. BUT, it's also like stated earlier, about dedication. I know TONS of dudes in my MMA gym who have been going for YEARS. Their whole 20s well into their 30s, and they NEVER improve because they don't actually sit down and study anything or try new things. They just do the same thing over and over. Getting good at fighting is like getting good at shooting. You can't just dry fire into the wall all day and become a good shooter. You have to study tactics, techniques, skills, and then work on them. Same applies to fighting, you need to study as well as work on things. The good thing is, that once you put in the work, you don't need much to keep your level of fighting. I stopped training in my mid 20s, just recently went to my buddies MMA gym at the age of 30, having turned into a sedentary fat fuck, and I had a sparring session with a couple of the guys and not only did I last, but I beat some of the newer guys who have only been doing it for three years.

      There's just no easy route to being a good fighter, or being a good shooter. Though I've been defending Muay Thai this whole time on here, I would recommend boxing just because most people attacking you on the street wont shoot for doubles, but they will start punching.

      but as for schools, avoid anything with a woowoo spiritual philosophy. Even if the styles work you're gonna be wasting time on shit that doesn't matter.
      Dojos/gyms that treat it like a sport are the way to go.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming you train several times a week, 6 months to learn the basics, 1 year to get competent and 3-5 years before you are expert enough to teach

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Basically this... assuming you train correctly.

        >big assumption though
        >training doesn't automatically mean gym time either
        >just put a bit of time in every day to refine things like basic mechanics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      After 10,000 times of 1 technique, you become expert at that.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever style of boxing, Muay Thai, or BJJ gym is nearest to you. Be consistent in any of these and you will be far above the average individual. If you do BJJ, throw in some striking at a home gym bag and practice basic boxing footwork, punches, and defensive moves and you'll be great.

    - boxingfag with buddies in all 3

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Boxing combined with judo throws and literally any form of wrestling is more than you'll need in your lifetime.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no one size fits all with fighting but imo the quickest way to be a very well rounded fighter is boxing/ kickboxing and wrestling. With skill in those two disciplines you are pretty capable in a fight.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tyson was a strange hybrid of power puncher and swarmer, he was a power puncher who was trained by Cus D'amato in his system, which is based heavily on numbered combinations on cue, and shifting footwork to maximise power delivery from different angle, Mike became a wrecking machine under Cus.
    Mike's combinations are like artillery barrages, no taps, just cannonfire.
    The D'amato shift is subtle, but he shifts and postures up behind a punch so that it's a fucking cross coming at you from left and right, instead of a left and right hook.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's Dempsey + 30lbs + cocaine, Tyson was a hyperaggresive puncher with an excellent front forward defense but that was it, he didn't break any new ground in the fight game
      All his losses were to scientific boxers that could match his fitness and had better back foot defense

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