Ukrainians have successfully taken more land on the opposite side of the of the Dnieper river, creating a large bridgehead.
The question is why?
I could understand if the previous offensive was very successful a risky amphibious operation could have collapsed the Russian rear but without southern Kherson being cut off I do not understand where this operation is supposed to be heading.
Is it just a distraction like the raids in southern Russia?
What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment? How can they keep supplies lines operational? What about AA?
What could they hope to achieve with this?
yeah
wouldn't you like to know Ivan
imaginary ones, just like the landing itself.
They can use AA behind the river for a beachhead, the problems come in that it requires bridge logistics to do anything with vehicles.
I mean, they can manage with a fuck ton of small boats, but its going to cost a lot more men in logistics.
>Gonna ride across the river, deep and wide
>Ride across the river
>To the other side
>successfully taken more land
More swamp
Wake me up when they'll start liberating villages
Wake up
I've been telling them for two weeks heres how it goes
A series of never ending bad attempts at bad faith Socratic method questions
Then a series of demands for sources
The sources will get attacked
Someone will do their trolling while the shits go to janitor
Thread deleted
2 weeks running
Just watch
>The question is why?
Because it's the least defended and defensive place on the frontline.
There are many problems with it though, like ground being wet because it got flooded early this year. Or that is whole left bank is covered by russian regular artillery that is out of the range of Ukrainian artillery on the right bank. Or that is keeping supply through a major river up is a logistically challenge.
But otherwise that's the perfect and the most obvious place to attack, which is why russians destroyed that dam as soon as they smelled counteroffensive in the air.
>left bank
Stop calling it this fucking retarded name. In no fucking universe is south or east of a river called left.
lmao american education
It cannot just be mutt education right? I'm a thirdie and my country has worse education, average bong education is not that much better from mutts, leaf education is almost on par as far as I've heard.
What causes the retardation and the stereotype (which may actually be true)?
There are two main issues I think. Firstly, American education varies a lot state-to-state. In fact, it varies a lot even county to county. There is a lack of standardization. Schooling in New York is going to be more rigorous than in Arkansas. Secondly, schools are funded by property tax to a large degree. Even within the same city or county, one school could have all the money for supplies, quality educators, extracurriculars, but another school could literally be crumbling (no A/C, mold, no chalk, no computers, leaky roof).
>What causes the retardation and the stereotype (which may actually be true)?
I've been there and they actually seemed quite normal however some of the dumbest ones have a total inability to shut up which is what gives them such a rep.
Your idiots are quiet, our idiots are loud. It's that simple, really. Don't be fooled into thinking that loud idiots are a majority, otherwise we'll have to conclude that you're also a loud idiot.
>Your idiots are quiet, our idiots are loud
One advantage that Europe has in public opinion over the internet is that most often local retards are uncapable or disinterested in learning English, and therefore forever locked in their localized infosphere of one of the many dozens native languages that are on themselves are too obscure for larger public and can't give a greater spotlight to such retards.
Describing the sides of a river as left/right is not standard English. Cardinal directions are typically used even though they suck and left/right makes much more sense. After all, having to describe which side of a river something is in is normally in reference to the local river so there's no ambiguity when using compass directions.
>t. retard
Rivers twist and turn and curve, idiot. It it goes in an S shape there are literally all 4 compass directions. The north bank becomes the south bank in the middle of the S, you are talking about opposite sides of the river then.
Left and right are the only absolutes, because a river only flows one way.
Idiot!
>[If] it goes***
There is objectively an east and west bank of the dnipro you fuckwit.
it literally becomes north/south for half the length dipshit
If you want to get to any point on the map that you call the left bank going from west to east from what you call the right bank. You have to cross the river. That gives you an objective east and west side of the river.
not only you are incredibly retarded bit also technically wrong
>also technically wrong
No
>let's call south east and north west because it's obviously simpler that way than just calling it ledt and right
do americans rly
Americans believe in imperial system
>Americans believe in imperial system
yeah, some of us can abstract out left and right to more cardinal directions than just west and east for a river unlike the halfwit retard monkeyfucker you were talking to earlier
if your commander said to follow the left bank of the river or expect contact on the right bank as you head up the river and you couldn't understand that, take your service rifle, turn it around, and let off a round directly at your brain.
ever seen a fucking vietnam movie with a pt boat? how does the crew usually refer to directions when patrolling a fucking river? you think it is easier to always relay a cardinal direction as opposed to say, left or right bank?
Answer this: is the red X in the picture to the east, west, north, or south of the river?
that's clearly a center
Goddamit
>8
You need to first tell me which direction is north.
Let's say up is north.
Then it's the west side of the river.
So if I were standing at the blue X, I'd reach have to cross the river going east to reach the west side of the river?
Yes
So the west to the east?
west is*
You have to go east through the Panama Canal to get to the Pacific.
Love how this Anon shut the retards ITT the fuck up with real simple questions
You were born to teach middle/high school (assuming you can resist tightbodied jailbait sluts with the bodies of 25yos, I know I can't)
nobody can resist tightbodied jailbait sluts with the bodies of 25 year olds
nobody
>The virgin compass addict
>The chad stream direction enjoyer
It's clearly the ass is in the ass
North East if picture is north south east west oriented
Rivers rarely have a single stream going just one way
You use the bulk of the water flow's local destination to determine which area is which
This is basic... Survival.. information...from...over 15,000 years ago..passed down
Now I'm depressed
or, you could look at the direction of the rivers flow and use that to determine whether you are standing on the left or the right bank - a bearing that will remain consistent no matter which part of the river you are standing near and can be immediately determined using only that section of the river which is immediately visible to you or whoever you are giving directions to
.. tides exist. You need absolute north.
If you are close enough to the sea for tides to affect the flow of a river then you don't need to look at the river to figure out which way it is flowing because RIVERS ALWAYS FLOW TO THE SEA
I can't tell if this is bait
I cant tell if the posts I'm replying to are bait so I guess were even america-kun
.. rivers will flow up stream and fill lakes and streams in river basins during times. Then they will flow other ways during times.
If it's night and you are traveling and you can't see the sea you might see large lake stream and confuse the flow.. I can give way more problems
Stop posting now. Beyond this you are trolling for a basic lesson in geography or a moron troll who doesn't know basic geography unaware of how stupid he sounds while he pretends to be retarded
You need absolute north. Have a good day
even if the river flow temporarily changes at times in some areas due to tides or whatever it still has an overall direction, leading from the source to the sea
this is the orientation that you use to determine left bank and right bank, a convention that has been in consistent use for centuries at this point
>rivers will flow up stream and fill lakes and streams in river basins during times
No. (You) are the moron we met along the way.
>rivers will flow up stream and fill lakes and streams in river basins during times. Then they will flow other ways during times.
during what times????
Lakes at sea level could theoretically evaporate enough in drought times that a river begins to flow ocean water in.
Fun fact, the Mississippi is doing this right now. There's seawater backwashing into the fresh stuff and is playing the fucky wucky with the water supply for a couple of parishes.
Salt water intrusion is also an issue in the netherlands as well which is only going to get worse as sea levels rise, I would not be surprised if this became more of an issue in the eastern us in a couple of years.
Nta but lunar tides exist, storms exist, rain exist, floods exist, blockages exist. The need for a north south east west as marking for land has been a well known thing for humanity since cave drawings existed. We think even neanderthal used it.
Nature makes magnetic compasses all the time on accident that's how cavemen figured it out. You just need some leaves, water and something like a pine need that's been rubbed around to make a compass for instance.
That's left dummy.
While I can appreciate precision, I wouldn't mind calling this cross the south bank of the river (if up is N) w/o throwing a tantrum.
Yes.
Tricks question. That is clearly a singularity.
>Yeah it's uh..
>Fuck man, I dunno
>Just look for the big red X, can't fucking miss it
Absolute fucking idiot. Were you homeschooled?
They've always been called right and left bank respectively
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-bank_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-bank_Ukraine
>at points on the map
"we'll meet on the east bank"
That's clearly the north and south bank.
You DO know what heading the boat is moving in, right?
>river only flows one way.
This is not universally true
Dumbass!
Is that so? Show me your river that flows uphill, then.
Tides
give me a river that reverses even 30% of its flow due to tides.
The Amazon. Crazy fucking tides you can surf the leading edge on for miles upon miles upriver. There's a few others, I can't remember exactly which by name. The geology & geography have to be just right, where the delta at the sea and the river for some distance upstream have to be on fairly level elevation and also contained by things like elevation and jungles, etc. The Mississippi can't do it because those conditions aren't good enough, plus the low tides generally generated in the region by the Gulf of Mexico.
Most of the gulf of Mexico has a 70 to 150 km range where rivers and streams flow upstream at times, same with things like the great lakes and parts of the Atlantic. He's just a hermit moron.
Not to disagree with you, because the real terminology is definitely "left and right banks," but I know the Link River coming out of the Klamath Lake sometimes flows uphill because it goes so slowly the wind causes the current to change direction. In fact the Klamth injuns called the river "Yulalona" meaning "back and forth" because of this trait
Yes but it still has an average flow anon and it's down river.
Average flow is one way <=/=> only flows one way <=> at any given instant the flow is only one way
Except you take the average because of tides and wind. If there are eddies in a river is it flowing both ways on average? No.
Thanks for your fingerprints retard. -FBI
There's a reason I post the back or side of mine.
Nothing to worry about.
wait till you hear about lower and upper egypt
There's nothing wrong with that one.
except that the part that is upper on the map is lower and lower part is upper
except that that's not how the map was oriented at the time of naming
it has nothing to do with time or map retard, Nile just flows from Africa into Mediterranean
yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rive_Gauche
>n no fucking universe is south or east of a river called left.
Americans...
Ban Americans from /k/
Look at this map.
You are objectively retarded for calling the east bank the left bank.
It's crazy how everyone can instantly tell you are american.
>european education now consist of complete disregard of cardinal directions
You have forfeit your right to make fun of american education ever again you dimwits.
I’m a proud American, born and raised, but you’re retarded if you think left-right isnt infinitely more useful for bodies of water that flow one way but change oriemtation possibly dozens of times.
You're either in the west/east/north or south side of the river and moving across it into the opposite direction. You're not capturing shit by crossing the S turn even if that is further right or left from your POV or the map POV. The only time you gain ground is if you're on the opposite side of the river.
You're still either on the left or right bank. Which may be north, sough, east or west of the opposite.
For crossing purposes it is obviously better to clearly define from or to which bank you crossed.
The direction you took for that crossing is a completely seperate question.
Also, pic related is you. Except I'm not sure you're pretending.
Counterpoint, you're heading south on a river and talking to someone over the radio who's viewing a map of the river.
Which is the left bank?
>doubles down on his stupidity
What's upstream?
belarus
What about cases like the Hudson River where it can flow in either direction based on the tide? Does the left and right bank switch?
no. conventions like this don't matter beyond their instrumental value - left/right is often unphysical & seldom descriptively interesting. it's useful for surveying, riparian legal shitflinging, and navigation aids.
nav aids have to be super reliable and they involve a bunch of infra, plus humans are fuckups who WILL fuck up your system no matter how nice you make it, so nothing of importance is set up to change on a short-term basis. even in places like bay of fundy.
hudson's part of the enwp.org/great_loop. intracoastal waterway scheme is sorta complicated by necessity. but most of the complexity is in overriding local markers to convey "stay in the hov lane".
the basic convention for america (the only country) goes like:
>be enwp.org/lateral_mark
>reference frame is relative to your travel
>buoy/marker when going "downstream": keep green on top & on your right, red on bottom & on your left
>buoy/marker when going "upstream": opposite.
>upstream is the marginal direction of travel with respect to flow
>downstream is the mainstream direction (with flow)
>seaward? downstream. lil waterway to bigger one? all else being equal, downstream
>harbour to inland waterway? upstream.
the channel you generally should be in is said to be "preferred". driving the wrong way is "taking the secondary channel", which is reasonable in plenty of contexts.
>cardinal marks
suck so we murdered them & added them to the 9/11 victim list when nobody was looking. now you Cruise The Loop based on direction of buoyage going clockwise from the northeast.
and it's all stated in the negative with mnemonics like "red, right, returning". this is bc coast guards are mostly concerned with vessels that need to get /back in/ vs. ones that can't get out, and bc most ppl are about as neuroplastic with handedness as a shit brick thru a window of the local chuck e cheese after double-booking a pol meetup and Black Weeb Summit, so ideas like "green means go" don't always make the cut.
continuing to argue your left and right after being linked the system that everyone who sails or operates a ship must know (IALA ) is the least white thing i've seen from this board all week
>must know
vs
>will end up using
obviously you must be one of those naive pencil pushers who never ends up dealing with an end user ever, let me know when a person from a working background ends up using what he "must know" as opposed to what they choose to do. you know those ol' freigher captains, historically very agreeable people, never any saltiness really seen in them.
people will abstract their cardinal direction to their frame of reference, it's just what we do
>competence is BAD
>arguing subject matter nobody in the convo possesses even entry-level knowledge of is GOOD
but that's wrong. have you tried observing what white people do, and trying to mimic that? worst case scenario, we get some funny builds and an imperceptibly small improvement to the gene pool
i'm sorry that you've never spent a day in any working conditions in your life to know that the average worker doesn't give a rats ass about regulations or standards.
also post hand fag
Nice brown
no hand post?
brown identified
You posted a Hispanic landscaper hand, sir
Retards he is white it's just brown lighting.
Don't listen to them sir I believe you.
Anon that is a brown hand.
As a skin tone expert, I'd like to say that's brown
You are brown
Delete your posts as usual
Typically people post the back of the hand, not the palm.
Ew, a brown person.
kek. first you try to neg me about essentials for nautical navigation not being essential, because.. they just aren't, ok?!! heh paper pushers will never understand us, the real life-blood of this nation: day laborers – and you fail
then you try to prove you're white (which wouldn't make you any less wrong) – and you fail at that too
just why, man? all of this is because you couldn't be fucked to look up what nautical charts look like. you need the nav aids not to fucking crash into hazards and other vessels. it's not academic. it's everyday shit. imagine thinking for a nanosecond that i'd hand over my thumbprints to such an infocoon
>Texas
Fucking landlubber, sand person trying to tell us sea people how to navigate water ways.
left and right is based on the water flow
imagine yourself in the middle of the river facing in the direction that the water is flowing
your left is the left bank, your right is the right bank
>ban the only people who really own guns
Great idea, we can turn this place into /misc/ since it'll just be euros and third worlders.
Based and CommonSense-pilled.
Americans please enlighten me:
Which one is the northern bank of this river?
The blue one or the green one?
It depends.
By what?
which way does the river flow at that moment, otherwise it's ambiguous without any reference, so if you choose south to north for flow, it would most likely be that green is the left bank of the river and blue would be the right bank of the river.
also, you can just flip the conventions if the flow is reversed since you would be obviously forced to travel in the opposite direction.
then again, that is all mitigated by propulsion but it still works best to keep orientated to the flow of the river i.e. heading upstream or downstream
Look buddy, stand on the bank of the river and look downstream.
The left bank is the left bank and the right bank is the right bank.
Now if you want to get fancy, if the general direction of the river's flow is east to west, then the right bank will be the north bank and the left bank will be the south bank.
Yes, there may be small sections where the south bank is north of the north bank due to meanders, but you're going to have to deal with that like a big boy. It's just a way of consistently referring to each side of a river.
If you want to get autistic with it, go all the way to the mouth and see which cardinal direction each bank refers to, it's likely to be fairly consistent for the full river.
Neither, it's aligned north-south so green is the west bank, blue is the east bank,
north bank is the one at the top
easy
Irrelevant, rivers don't curve like that. Stop making up shit that doesn't happen.
>this entire idiotic "discussion"
Where is your God now?
At this point it's more of a marsh, swamp or floodplain than a river.
In an area like that you need to use coordinates and waypoints.
I need to use coordinates and waypoints to roll your fat fuck of a mom in flour so I can find the wet spot.
you can literally say "left or right bank at ____" point and end up in the right place though.
Whereas cardinal direction bros have evidently given up even ATTEMPTING to describe your pic rel.
I despise this formation of water as it clashes with my contextual frame of reference for this subject, agitating my OCD to no end.
We must eradicate marshes, swamps, and all other irregular bodies of water, only then can there be peace.
>We must eradicate marshes, swamps, and all other bodies of water
FTFY
Technically, with the way it's flowing, there isn't one.
You can tell it more or less straightens out afterwards to continue flowing parallel to N/S.
There is no North or South side.
The bank is on the right side of the river, but the river is on the left side of the bank. What is not to understand?
I could understand being confused about this in 2022, but how are you getting filtered by it now?
Anon, you're making a fool of yourself.
Everybody call it left and right banks of a river, had you looked at a map at least once in your life, you would have noticed that rivers don't flow straight and have meanders, in which case south and east can describe both sides.
Found the retard.
>arabs keep seething about muh West Bank
>it's in the east
Can't call it the left bank, it sounds exactly like "the leftist" bank in Arabic
No one gives a fuck what hadjis think or say
Don't you know anything? It's left-hand in bongistan, right-hand everywhere else.
> In no fucking universe is south or east of a river called left.
this can’t be real
now that's good bait
it never fails to work in those Dnipro crossing threads
based river b8
It's literally just to put pressure on and tie down resources that could be sent to zapo. There is a important supply line that runs along nearby so interdicting and fucking with it might help later down the line. The Russians were murdering armor to try an evict the initial bridgehead four months ago so maybe they are trying to bait a similar response
Santa lives in the Up Pole.
How's life in the down hemisphere?
That was funny. Have a (you)
Agreed, that's clearly the hubwards bank.
but de chelonian mobile, anon
Terry? I thought you died!
Youve got to understand. Europeans have pussy rivers and weather. They tend to just label it left or right. Americans, Africans, south Americans chunks of Asia actually have real weather with lunar changes, flood seasons, rivers flowing downstream to 2 oceans, where it breaks all the pussy left vs right rules
We do say left and right but we also east, west, north, south in areas where the left vs right is an issue like the Amazon, Mississippi river basin, great lakes out leads, chease, Alaska etc.
It's like how Americans use imperial AND metric interchangeable in real life while euros who are basically hobbits besides the poles, nordics and Romanians who don't go anywhere really just use right vs left. France has the same thing.
Tldr they use left and right only because they don't need the extra descriptors like use. We travel in 6 weeks what they travel in a year. They don't go anywhere. For them to drive 2000 kms in a week is crazy
1. The system originated in the middle east and Egypt.
2. Acording to the local languages there is no rivers in the nordics only "älvar" or "åar" depending on size. Because languages are weird sometimes.
3. Only reason Americans travel more is because its so empty. In Europe you can find more stuff in 100 km than you find in 2000 km in America
Profound mental retardation.
He thinks Americans use imperial and metric at the same time too for aomw reason, like the only country to do that really is the UK, and they use left and right bank kek.
>minimize comment
>quarter of thread gets minimized too
Now THIS is a top notch bait
>left bank
what do you mean, the bank's still there
>Ukraine went for an incredibly long, but dangerously shallow beachhead on the far side of a wide river because reasons
Hate to break it too you, anon, but that map's made-up nonsense.
Between 10 and six months ago we got a steady stream (aha) of footage of amphibious vehicles and Ukes being trained in them. It was effective footage because the Dnieper dam got blown up as a result.
So to answer your question: All of that shit.
>invent normandy 2.0 on telegram to shift focus away from the disaster at avdiivka
whatever
At this point anon is probably just trolling.
move on
OP here
while I agree that the burger brained poster here is struggling to rub his nurons together to cope with the concept of
"look downstream and see left and right banks"
Can someone answer the original question of what weapons can the Ukrainians bring across realistically and what do you think that this offensive can achieve with them?
>what weapons can the Ukrainians bring across realistically
any
Anything you can imagine! Because this 'offensive' isn't real.
True, same as the Kherson offensive from last year lel
This is like the eighth Ukrainian offensive across the Dnipro since June. Sure, the last seven turned out to have just been diversionary raids, but I'm sure this is the real deal this time.
If it is, it will make it the biggest diversionary raid to date 🙂
That’s not true, each diversion raid (according to Russian telegrams at least) has been a massive undertaking
that's kind of the point right? they send over small groups to remind the russians they should be defending this area and keep their forces occupied. if the russians do not kick them out, they send over some more groups to remind russia they could just take the territory.
They are expecting to fall back when russians turn up in numbers. If the russians don't, they'll keep pushing and it'll become the new front line.
Why are russians complaining on all their telegrams about it then?
They hype up small raids by Ukie commandos as massive offensives, so they can pretend to have repelled 1 gorillion khokhol dills. It also distracts from the massive Russian losses that have been happening in their counter attacks
Probably the remaining armor divisions that they haven't committed to zappo. That includes the first Abrams which are already in Ukraine
All of them, it entirely depends on the type of boats they're using.
About one dozen Boris Johnsons.
It isn't an "offensive", it's a series of cross-river raids and small footholds the ukrainians have been doing for months now, the russians don't have the resources to try and evict them from their side of the river so they shell the trenches every once in a while
A dozen nukes.
Not that much unless they actually commit and start pontooning.
Unlikely they because they aren't retarded.
It could be viable if they committed massive amounts of artillery and counter battery assets + air defense in the area, but that doesn't seem likely.
Aren't these little fuckers amphibious? Would make them perfect for this kind of operation.
I’m not sure if France sold Ukraine the RC (original, amphibious) or RCR variant (up-armored, non-amphibious).
We sent the RC variant, so technically they can cross water with it, but the Dniepr may be a bit too large and powerful
How have these been performing anyway? I have seen fuck all on them since they've been at the front except for one russian source saying they destroyed one or two. i dont even think ive seen a picture of one that ukraine's using, but i know they were sent a long time ago
Its a French vehicle. I'm gonna guess the Russians destroyed both operational ones, and the rest are inoperable due to lack of triangular screws of 0.71 baguette length
They lost a bunch during the first days of the counter offensive to non guided artillery likely indirect GRAD rocket explosions which is pretty bad for an armored vehicle, ukkies fucking hate them the crews had low morale even before the attack because of the non existent armor, the rest go relocated to the back and probably wont see use unless Russia manages a big breakthrough
Source: my wife's ex husband died in one back in summer
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment
small arms. mortars, but very little ammunition for them.
>Is it just a distraction like the raids in southern Russia?
even more so than the raids into russia - those could at least be supplied with heavy weapons and a real logistics train, the dniepr incursions are limited to supply by small river boat.
>he doesn't know
did they really take land on the left bank of the river ?
proof ?
Rivers do not fulfill the criteria to fall into the category of Minkowski space. Topologically they do not have euclidean R3 ambient isotopy. Thus you can never tell where you are relative to a river, where the river is relative to itself, and terminology such as handedness or cardinality.
>why?
Run at Melitopol & Tokmak. They don't even have to seriously attempt an assault on those cities, just progress toward them creating as much havok along the way as possible. vatnaggerstan doesn't have any choice but to take it seriously and re-position assets in reaction. Crimea is effectively isolated at this point, with a few loose ends to tighten up. Let the partisans keep doing their work in Crimea while the North gets sealed off completely. If the Ukies don't use the Dnipro crossing to seriously strike at Melitopol, all they have to do is swing South and siege Crimea.
The beauty of it is, the Ukies have several options, none of which they have to commit to yet while applying devastating pressure on the surviving vatnagger cancer in the entire area.
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment?
Literally, everything. The U.S. sent tens of millions of dollars worth of bridging & engineering equipment last Summer and early this Spring. By draining the reservoir, the vatnaggers opened up about 200 or more kilometers of just anyfuckingwhere the Ukies care to cross. Once there's a bridgehead (as in, there is already one now), there are literally a thousand crossing points that can be used. Expect the Ukies to build a dozen or three all the way up to Zaporizhzhya.
Thanks for the high quality post
> Oh yes, let us attempt a bridge crossing assault while the opposition is flattening every target bigger than a jeep with a ghetto JDAM
I agree UAF command are retarded, but they are not that retarded
>Seymour Hersh
why not quote Coach Red Pill while you're at it kek
>Coach Red Pill
I believe he's unavailable. Incarcerated.
Russia might as well just give up now if they can't push back a handful of small pockets on their own side of the river.
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment?
BMPs, BTRs, BMDs, MTLBs, MANPADS, mortars, tri-pod AA, HMGs, Javelins, NLAWs, RPGs.
Pretty much everything short of MBTs can get over quickly and easily and if they have been preparing for this by maintaining T-72s and T-80s they can wade it.
Ukrainian BMP-1's can actually swim. If we start seeing them, then one can assume that the ghosts ziggers keep seeing are actually there.
Okay survival type from 15000 years ago
Rivers basins where mankind is mostly at have the flows change with tides. A river will flow north to south then flip to south or north to west depending on the basin
... I'm so depressed
You...need absolute north.
>river basin is + 5 meters above sea level
>flows still changes direction due to tides because lol lmao
Based retard
>The Supreme Court of the Republic
That is the one of the Russian Federation? And they sentenced him in absetia, as they do?
(me)
Oh, it's the Donbabweans that are fucking around with their "courts".
See picrel, it seems to be a common thing that they catch "Azov"-members.
are there even enough of them left to justify making propaganda at this point?
you don't see me writing stories to keep up the morale of the Acolapissa people, for example
My wild guess is that it's more targeted at the people that fled the area or the rest of Russia to prove that they [the Donbabweans] are a functioning country and society and that the big, bad enemy called Azov is nothing more than mere humans, and bad ones at that.
kek
>*jk
ah see hes actually "just kidding" and none of it is real, glad to see them clarify that
I guess the ukies will have to snatch another of putins friends to get him traded back like the others
For lolz. They know that Russians are obsessed with map painting, to the point where they have been counter attacking like mad in Zap, just to maintain a facade of “western aid is useless xaxaxa*~~), so the Ukies are taking ground in the south to make up for it. Or… maybe they want to launch a counter offensive in the south across the bridgehead and end up threatening Mariupol and then Crimea? They have ATCAMS now, for hitting targets further back. A lack of anti-tank helicopters would definitely help make any future counter offensives (wherever they occur) more successful
don't bring stuff. Loot ans pillage from the russians.
Could the West send a fuckton of excavators, so Ukrain can buils a new riverbed in the winter?
no river no problem, right?
fake attack
not reported in any real sources
wake up idiot
I think this operation was supposed to happen with Ukriane haven taken Tokmak. But Tokmak isn't taken but they're still going ahead with it.
Force Russians to move troops away from other areas.
Maybe cause a panic in the unprepared troops and cause another large route.
Keep the enemy confused with surprising moves.
the big thing is that the troops being on the other side of the river creates a constant "threat" that the ukies will attempt a bridgehead, which the russians simply can't ignore. They won't completely cede the riverside, but they also won't spend the manpower to completely sweep the ukrainians off it. As long as those troops remain, they're fixing the russians in kherson from reinforcing the ones in zaporizhia or donetsk.
Watching this thread devolve into a bunch of shitholers with no indoor plumbing attempt to take pot shots at people far better educated than them has been fun.
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment?
SALWs
technicals
[redacted]s
>What could they hope to achieve with this?
this will make more sense if you peep a map rq:
http://deepstatemap.live/en#9/46.5/33
east of the river & west of crimea, kherson is quite empty. most land is agricultural, wetland, steppe, or desert. major roads (1) follow the river (2) beeline SE to crimea and (3) run parallel to 2, between the river's mouth & either side of karkinit bay. rail runs right alongside 2. there's very little west of 3. infra diminishes rapidly as you approach the kinburn peninsula.
there's a correct move to make – one which is simple & obvious to all warring parties, but difficult – given that:
P1. you are starting from the antonivka <-> kherson (city) <–> oleshky triangle and
P2. the decision has been made to commit substantial forces toward a push across the river.
in picrel, that big thing that stands out is a national park: oleshky sands. the road & rail line to crimea run right past it on the southwesterly side. the move is this:
C1. take the M14-M17 junction between oleshky (town) and oleshky sands.
C2. M17 fork: secure up to radensk ASAP, at high cost if need be.
C3. M14 fork: try to protect your flank out to kozachi laheri.
this is enough to massively fuck russian logistics in the whole sector, with the closest (river-facing) units withering on the vine earliest. some immediate consequences would be:
O1. breathing room for more complex engineering ops to move heavier kit in larger numbers
O2. a sound, defensible position from which to begin attriting the westernmost russian positions to zilch
O3. holding russia's westernmost airfield, chaplinka, at unacceptable risk for major flight ops to continue there -> pushing combat craft back to melitopol or dzhankoi, and transport helis to strilkove.
full-res of images
01: http://files.catbox.moe/myrd9d.png
02: http://files.catbox.moe/yvm3n7.png
03: http://files.catbox.moe/chc83m.jpg
detail: confluence of crossroads between the only two major highways of lower kherson and its sole major railway; national park region (sandy dunes) that bifurcates travel networks and offers a natural screen to forces attacking from the west; villages chelburda and radensk to the desert's immediate west and southwest, respectively.
detail: M14/M17 highway junction.
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>O3. holding russia's westernmost airfield, chaplinka, at unacceptable risk for major flight ops to continue there -> pushing combat craft back to melitopol or dzhankoi, and transport helis to strilkove.
NTA, but all those airfields are within missile range right now. Russia should be extremely careful, and probably has already dispersed their aircraft away from these bases following the ATACMs strikes.
they're doing what they can, but that aint much. pre-strike aircraft counts and related chatter:
Same reason they've been doing raids into Russia, or into Crimea, or several attempted landings near the Zaporozhia nuclear plant earlier. Current Ukrainian government traces its roots back to the 2014 chimpout and is full of Soros activists, for whom looking good is more important than actually being good. Literally all that shit is being done for PR.
Because Ukraine and the West are a captive audience that don't have any alternative info and will buy fake "victories" such as "this picture of us with a Ukrainian flag 0.01 miles inside Russia is proof of a great victory" (nevermind that our raiding forces were raped six ways from Sunday shortly thereafter, or the fact that most raids fail - its not broadcasted on CNN and therefore might as well not exist).
Considering that the war is in a lot of ways a PR conflict, especially for Ukraine that is mostly bankrolled and armed by foreign audiences, I'm not even sure this PR approach is wrong. But its real goals are not military so it's kinda pointless to look for a military objective there, the real question is "what PR image is this supposed to generate or distract from"?
Russia seemed worried enough to firebomb their own cities over those incursions
> Be military with bombs
> Drop them on suspected enemy position
How is that surprising?
Yeah it could be argued that a few of those raids were a military success in the sense that they distracted a large amount of enemy resources even if little actual damage was done, but we have to remember that for every successful raid, there were multiple *militarily* unsuccessful ones. However, as I said, PR is the main goal.
Take the latest "successful raid" on Crimea for example. From a military standpoint, it was a complete farce, where a bunch of SEAL wannabees took a selfie with flag in water near Crimean shore and fled, losing at least 2 KIA in the process. And we have to remember that this was a culmination of a number of unsuccessful "raids", where the only useful result was learning that rubber boats and jetskis are sitting ducks against any military hardware.
HOWEVER, from a PR standpoint these raids were arguably worth losing the watersports gear and meatheads invested, since it allowed a couple days of cope posting about "Ukraine special forces successfully raid occupied Crimea" or some such... and what CNN broadcasts is arguably more important than what actually happened
>and then later, for no reason at all, S-400 Triumf went up in smoooooke
Its not PR retard, its entirely so Russia has to spend more forces, equipment and mines in a non useful defensive axis that's thousands of KM wide.
>Ukrainians have successfully taken more land on the opposite side of the of the Dnieper river, creating a large bridgehead.
>The question is why?
To beat russia.
>I could understand if the previous offensive was very successful a risky amphibious operation could have collapsed the Russian rear but without southern Kherson being cut off I do not understand where this operation is supposed to be heading.
It's supposed to be heading towards russia
>Is it just a distraction like the raids in southern Russia?
No, it's an operation to beat russia
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment? How can they keep supplies lines operational? What about AA?
Everything they require to beat russia
>What could they hope to achieve with this?
To beat russia
>europeans are too retarded to use cardinal directions
Always a treat to see how dumb foreigners are.
>Is it just a distraction like the raids in southern Russia?
Yes and no.
Yes in teh sense that it forces Russia to deploy manpower and materiel, no in the sense that a serious movement acros the river can pose an operational and even strategic threat to the Russians.
>What weapons can be carried across the river at the moment? How can they keep supplies lines operational? What about AA?
Right now I'd expect things to be in the category of 'can be carried by two guys', which is roughly what you will be able to easily carry in small-ish boats/RHIBs.
Eventually, they'd need some kind of pontoon ferry. Establishing a pontoon bridge is probably extremely difficult due to Russian air and and long range fires.
>What could they hope to achieve with this?
Put pressure on Russia on the extreme end of their logistics effort.
Force Russian units to redeploy, play fire brigade. Russia clearly does not like to have units deployed this far south west, we have seen multiple times that their logistics effort is literally any and all types of truck they could grab.
Forcing thme to use a small number of predictable roads is also the way to actually hit those logistics, because you can now predict where they will be moving with relative ease.
i always thought the left bank was where the F-16s would first work.
should be the safest and easiest place to degrade Russian air defenses and target enemy forces. get a real force over the river then start working their way east with air support.
what is going on there?
2 ukies crossed the river on a dinghy and raised a flag in an abandoned village, most likely.
>in an abandoned village
What happened to Russian unit that was supposed to defend it?
It's like 300km from the frontline. Ziggers looted it and left. No, there won't be a D-Day, there won't be Peleliu.
>It's like 300km from the frontline
It's literally on a frontline, are you hit in the head
>Ziggers looted it and left.
A zigger regiment is stationed less than 5km(in adjacent village) from it. What happened to them, did they all desert, die or what?
These are the ziggers making mortars out of rusty piping because they are that low down on the priority list for supplies at the moment. I imagine they just leave and wait for the ukies to go away before coming back to see what new additions have been made to their trench lines.
it *was* like 215km from the frontline
now its a 'new front'. these things can change y'know.
actually it was four and they are still making ziggers seethe