Ukrainian domestic armor

I've been reading about Ukrainian armor developments lately. Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?

>T84
>6TD engine with good transmission making 1200hp and can actually go fast forward and reverse; can be upgraded to 1500hp or 1800hp
>Armor superior to what the T72 packs and can be fitted with western armor packs and new ERA
>Superior western electronics and optics are included
>125mm Soviet or 120mm NATO gun can be fitted and can be optioned with a bustle mounted autoloader so crew doesn't ACK when hit
>Superior active protection systems (Zaslin) that have actually been adopted by a NATO army (Turkey)

They were also working on their Berserk tank based heavy IFV which was to fill a role like the Puma or Namer

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bc russia will bomb the factory

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only if they build it close to a nursery

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like all of those other factories they bombed?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are huge tank factories have hard time operating in range of enemy rockets

      Once a peace has been finalized, whenever that may be, then things can be rebuilt. Ukraine could probably do well selling those designs to others since the reputation of Russia equipment has sunk, or it's become difficult to buy from a supplier struggling to arm its own forces.

      Because Ukraine is an exceptionally corrupt country that is exceptionally poorly run. I'm not disputing their right to defend themselves against Russian aggression, don't get it twisted, but they are a shithole country.

      Read up on their attempts to sell the Oplot-M, absolute fricking fiasco. Bribery, inability to meet delivery standards, or deliveries at all. Just a wall-to-wall frickup.

      >Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?
      The biggest factory is right beside the border and gets bombed regularly

      >Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?
      Because it's too late, could've been done before war but not during it.t
      The factory is right next to the border with Mordor.
      And destruction of other related industrial plants through eastern Ukraine makes it practically not feasible to produce new tanks - ie Mariupol metalworks were crucial producers of tank/IFV/AFV hulls for kharkiv plant, several destroyed large biochem complexes were suppliers/contractors for other shit involved in production, and so on.

      The only tank plant that remains in good condition is the one in Lviv, by the polish border. However that plant does NOT manufacture tanks. They only do upgrades, refurbishment and servicing of existing vehicles. They don't have physical capability to build stuff.

      "We are leading the way by reserving funds to donate to Ukraine's defense struggle by investing in the Ukrainian defense industry and my hope is that more countries will follow our example. After my visit to a number of Ukrainian defense industry companies in Kyiv in March, I am convinced that there is great potential for future cooperation that can deliver much-needed materiel to Ukraine that will help make a difference on the battlefield and at the same time help build the defense industry in Ukraine", says Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen.

      Well, Denmark has decided to disagree and has earmarked 200 million danish crowns (28,7 million USD) to the ukrainian military industry.

      https://www.fmn.dk/da/nyheder/2024/danmark-klar-til-at-finansiere-donationer-via-ukrainsk-forsvarsindustri/

      We should probably keep an eye on this.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine needs to win an existential war first before we start worrying about rebuilding its industries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the new meta is to prevent the ukraine from completely collapsing before november elections

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?

    Tank factory is near karkhiv... Gonna be hard to defend it.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bros...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy NERA

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are huge tank factories have hard time operating in range of enemy rockets

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once a peace has been finalized, whenever that may be, then things can be rebuilt. Ukraine could probably do well selling those designs to others since the reputation of Russia equipment has sunk, or it's become difficult to buy from a supplier struggling to arm its own forces.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren't we investing in a process that would take years to set up in a country currently involved in open warfare?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poroshenko's government was building up ukie MIC during the "phony war" phase, including artillery, tank, and even long-range missile production. Zelensky's government unironically rolled that back and handicapped production prior to the invasion, and building them up again now takes ages, not to mention constant threat of it being bombed to shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The financing cut wasn't the only issue.
        The local MIC is/was very soviet in the lack of efficiency. Decades of not doing anything fricked it over, so even when financing started rolling in after 2014 there were tons of teething issues. Shit quality, not being able to actually produce final results, etc.
        And slow pace in general. Some projects got fricked by slowness (e.g. Vilkha), some got fricked by politics and corruption ("old MIC" vs "new MIC"), some got fricked due to western de-facto embargo on selling military and industrial stuff.
        Don't forget the traitors in the old soviet factories.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At least now Motor Sich problem of all customers being enemies has been solved by Turkey

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Ukraine is an exceptionally corrupt country that is exceptionally poorly run. I'm not disputing their right to defend themselves against Russian aggression, don't get it twisted, but they are a shithole country.

    Read up on their attempts to sell the Oplot-M, absolute fricking fiasco. Bribery, inability to meet delivery standards, or deliveries at all. Just a wall-to-wall frickup.

    • 4 weeks ago
      anon

      It's always hysterical when zegros start posting this kind of shit, defending a country where 70% of the GDP goes to line the pockets of like 15 people. The complete lack of shame and self respect is what characterizes these Russian subhuman wienermutants.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Booba.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?
    The biggest factory is right beside the border and gets bombed regularly

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not build the factory inside an artificial cave in western Ukraine? Missile attacks won't do enough damage to justify the expenditure and drones won't be able to reliably reach it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is this website overrun with mouth breathing morons spouting these absolutely moronic ideas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And just how do you think they're going to conceal a construction project of that scale? The supply lines to it? The workforce travel routes?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't we investing for Ukraine to build a bunch of their own vehicles?
    Because it's too late, could've been done before war but not during it.t
    The factory is right next to the border with Mordor.
    And destruction of other related industrial plants through eastern Ukraine makes it practically not feasible to produce new tanks - ie Mariupol metalworks were crucial producers of tank/IFV/AFV hulls for kharkiv plant, several destroyed large biochem complexes were suppliers/contractors for other shit involved in production, and so on.

    The only tank plant that remains in good condition is the one in Lviv, by the polish border. However that plant does NOT manufacture tanks. They only do upgrades, refurbishment and servicing of existing vehicles. They don't have physical capability to build stuff.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because why would you buy factories for Ukraine when you can send them a bunch of old shit and use those tax dollars to build local factories to make new shit for your own military?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I read that T-84 production had serious issues. Ie, couldn’t get the ceramic inserts from the ex-USSR supplier so had to use crappy rubber-steel sandwich instead, poor-quality welds, rusted hulls, etc. Te Kharkiv Locomotive factory had a famous legacy but for one reason or another it collapsed. Also according a Knower from other threads, the Kharkiv factory guys were the ones who actively fricked over Azovets apparantly ass-ravaged that Azov Engineering was going to get a government contract.

    But honestly all of this is just excuses. The reality is Ukraine simply can’t run large-scale factories because they’d get constantly hit. Russia can run giant centralized factory complexes because those exist thousands of km away from Ukraine. They would have had to build up a powerful AD umbrella and out a serious national effort into a building a strategic MIC base prior to the war — but that ties in to the other problem: money. Russia is an ENORMOUS petrostate, one of the biggest in the world; they ave 75 trillion $ sitting in the ground which they can sell the world for cash. Ukraine was trying to get in on that since 12-15 years ago — which is exactly the reason for this war to begin with, trying to use the Soviet pipelines to replace Russia as Europe’s energy supplier.

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