Ukrainian Army is Missing 700,000

According to this WaPo article Ukraine is supposed to have mobilized 1 million people, but apparantly no more than 300,000 frontline are accounted for? Reportedly Syrsky has been tasked to conduct an audit of the military to figure out where all these troops are and what their status is. So what’s /k/‘s guess? My guess is that it’s related to the corruption / failure of mobilization offices around the country — remember that story from last year when Zelensky did a mass-firing of those officers? I bet that those 700,000 people were never actually mobilized and that those draft officers were falsifying mobilization figures. There’s NO way 700,000 people were imply misplaced Imperium of Man style.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/ukraine-mobilization-zelensky-russia/

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ever heard the phrase
    >for every soldier at the front you need three soldiers in the back supplying and supporting him
    ?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The point is, no one seems to know where those 700,000 are and what they’re doing. I doubt Ukraine’s armed forces are THAT badly-managed. Ie, how do they pay them all if they don’t even know who they are? I bet you it’s just fake draft numbers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Find article where random Journalist writes something a funny way because they don't fully understand it
        >Cherry-pick it and spam it everywhere since it's nice for Zigger propaganda
        >Ignore all the other articles
        https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/europe/ukraine-tough-choices-mobilization-intl-cmd/index.html

        >According to a Zelensky aide, of the almost 1 million Ukrainians mobilized, only 200,000 to 300,000 have served on the front line. The rest, he said pointedly, “are very far from the war,” adding it is up to the new army chief to change that before coming to Zelensky and asking for an increase in the draft.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So….the military is actively lying to the government to stop them from forcing 700k people from going to the frontlines? Why is Syrsky being ordered to run an audit? Why doesn’t Syrsky just tell the government what they want to know? Does Syrsky know? Who is withholding information from the top commander and wouldn’t that be a court-martial offense? Are you SURE you want to die on this weird hill?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Before you come to me and ask me about doing a draft, i want you to audit your forces, find out who's doing what, and check if the frontline numbers can't be increased from within our currently serving forces.
            Really not that difficult. If Syrsky finds that the frontline numbers can't be increased by reshuffling rear line positions, then he can go to Zelensky and ask for another mobilization to increase frontline troop numbers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll answer you as soon as you tell me why are you brown?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            300,000 AT THE FRONT moron. You do realize that not everyone in a war is at the front line right? The other 700,000 are not fighting at the front lines. This Journalist just misread the quote because she's moronic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Or it is just a journalist being dumb and than some dumber tard thought he could use this to make an even dumber thread about it.

          >No one has explained to me, WaPo Journalist Keith Allan McShitfrick, what every single soldier in the Ukrainian army has been doing
          >This means that they're all completely unaccounted for

          >WaPo moron doesn't know where they are
          >this means no-one does
          lmao.

          You are not fricking clever and everyone can see you're being intentionally obtuse.

          Not that anon but why is it that we can't in anyway criticize Ukraine on this god forsaken board?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Waaaah people are calling me a moron because I made a moronic thread
            Maybe because your "criticisms" are just thinly veiled propaganda, and moronic propaganda aimed at morons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We can criticize ukraine, it regularly happens, what gets banned is open shitflinging, schizophrenic conspiracy-posting, or terrible bait.

            It doesn't help that half the time someone posts a legitimate criticism and then gets banned for posting
            >HURR HOHOLS ARE TERRIBLE AT WAR [gore webm enclosed]

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            firstly ESL
            secondly this is not a criticism, it's moronic. I'm sympathetic to the fact that it's difficult to talk about how they held on to Bahkmut too long for political reasons and did not properly manage their retreat from aidsvika, or their inability to conduct combined arms, their weak (improving, but weak) NCO corps, or their poor doctrine regarding Tonks. they also shouldn't have conducted the counteroffensive without a capable air force but that's not entirely up to them.

            that's all criticism. "zomg 3/4ths of their army was fake!!!!" is moronic bullshit made by either a concern troll or a moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >this god forsaken board
            frick off back to your sewer
            nobody is making you come here, and you're obviously too stupid to fit in

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This isn't "criticism". This is an anon who fell for literal Russian propaganda
            https://mediamanipulation.org/definitions/distributed-amplification

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Or it is just a journalist being dumb and than some dumber tard thought he could use this to make an even dumber thread about it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >No one has explained to me, WaPo Journalist Keith Allan McShitfrick, what every single soldier in the Ukrainian army has been doing
        >This means that they're all completely unaccounted for

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WaPo moron doesn't know where they are
        >this means no-one does
        lmao.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are not fricking clever and everyone can see you're being intentionally obtuse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I doubt Ukraine’s armed forces are THAT badly-manage
        lol, lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      With the way they have worded it I have to go with
      Some moron probably told Zelensky "most conscripts never saw the front" and Zelensky sees pushing truck drivers to the front as a way of bolstering infantry numbers without the bad PR of more conscription.

      As for a reporter taking that as "where are these people" that's just the media being the media, the only thing they understand is how to write.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if this is a zigger falseflag then I'm genuinely unimpressed
    >Russia has been failing against a mere 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn’t take much to defend a trench, just a guy and a rifle. Why is this so surprising?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming these aren't unrecorded casualties, they're partying underneath Saddam Hussein's hangout

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they're partying underneath Saddam Hussein's hangout
      Nyet. They have rebuilt the Azovstal Cumpit underneath a pizza parlor in Lviv!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Add another one to the diagram
      >Kitchen
      >Sleeping quarters
      >Ventilation shaft
      >Saddam Hussein
      >700 000 Ukranian soldiers

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >of the 1 million people who have been mobilized, only about 300,000 have fought at the front lines
    Not everyone in the military fights at the front.

    >But nearly a month after his promotion, no one in the military leadership or the presidential administration has explained where those 700,000 are — or what they have been doing.
    The military leadership not knowing and the military leadership having no obligation to tell you shit are very different.

    >Ukrainian lawmakers say the lack of a unified message from the president and the military has added confusion over next steps.
    It sounds like someone does know, but not every politician is given the clearance to see the balance sheet of the entire army down to the soldiers.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably left the country on feb 22

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick, has this moron never heard of a POG? never mind the various militias and garrison tards and artillerymen... What a nothing statement, this is below my already low standard for wapo. what a fricking rag this must be to publish something like this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The POINT is that they claim NOT TO KNOW where these 700k people are hence ordering Syrsky to do an audit. Really? Nah, it’s more likely by far that they didn’t actually mobilize 1 million people and someone was lying about that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, you fricking moron
        >Syrsky has been tasked with auditing the existing armed forces to find more combat-eligible troops
        means that want to find out which box movers would be fine at the front.
        It doesn't mean that they literally don't know where they are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, the point is that the JOURNALIST is saying that nobody has told them where the 700K are. It isn't important to say "we have 700,000 men writing paystubs and moving boxes in Lviv so the army works", it's a fricking given.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So….the military is actively lying to the government to stop them from forcing 700k people from going to the frontlines? Why is Syrsky being ordered to run an audit? Why doesn’t Syrsky just tell the government what they want to know? Does Syrsky know? Who is withholding information from the top commander and wouldn’t that be a court-martial offense? Are you SURE you want to die on this weird hill?

        no they don't you fricking moron, this reporter is just moronic
        I know /misc/tards cannot into parsing information but frick off.
        pro tip: why would they lie about mobilizing 1 million when the conversation started because someone floated the deeply unpopular idea of increasing mobilization, and Zelensky was pointing out that they should draw on their reserves before mobilizing new people. why would the government claim they have done more of an unpopular thing than they did?
        you're either moronic or a concern troll

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hey, why did Zelensky fire all those draft officers last year? Why he do dat? Why? Just decided he needed to do a good firing for once?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone hear that? Is that the sound of someone moving the goalpost?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because draft officers were abusing their position to take bribes and abuse people, do you think they just didn't replace those draft officers after??

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because you formed a conclusion and now you're grasping for any fragment of information that can almost support it.
            My advice would be to read whole articles (READ, not skim for quotes to misunderstand), and try to ground your opinions on things you can know to be true.

            >Ukraine LOST 700,000 men their army is FAKE
            If this is true Russia is even more pathetic than was ever thought possible.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Washington Post
    just ignore it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yuropoor here. What Burger newspaper do I need to read if I want unbiased reporting?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        basically all and make up your own mind

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AP and Reuters are generally the most "fact based" but for the full picture you need to read the biased and sensationalized shit while accounting for whatever spin they're trying to put on it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the WAPO is not so much biased as it is completely fricking moronic. the AP and Reuters are the only papers I truly trust. all have their biases so it's best to know them and to compare and contrast. I usually mix CNN, BBC, al Jazeera and the NYT to get a variety of perspectives, as well as the financial times, economist, Ars technica etc for more specialist news, and occasionally VICE or the New Yorker for some very specialist focus pieces but not broad reporting. the New Yorker can do some great interviews where they give the subject a ton of rope and let them hang themselves. just remember that most reporters are moronic and will just straight up report what they're told at face value, and the ones that don't do that are either nutters or stooges for a government or special interest (like al Jazeera is). literally never trust anything implicitly and try to have a baseline of academic knowledge in some subjects to spot their bullshit, and just always ask yourself "how would this c**t know that anyway?" And some papers have consistent and know biases, like the BBC has a Hamas apologist wing and the NYT is run by actual Zionists (even if many reporters aren't)

        I used to do some journalistic writing and had to do some statistics courses and it definitely made me a reflexively sceptical person lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've been reading Semafor a bit. They're new and their editorial line seems fairly hostile to social media and the incentives of it, and is aiming for people like you I think -- people who know what's going on and don't need everything to be backfilled for them all the time. It's not slotting into the left or right of something, more trying to build a reporter's paper.

          >I used to do some journalistic writing ... and it definitely made me a reflexively sceptical person lol ... NYT is run by actual Zionists (even if many reporters aren't)
          Same. I've written for publications that people here would recognize if I named them (and you named one of them), and I read the NYT (and they are Zionists, you're right), but people would be surprised at how many editors and journalists in other outlets despise the NYT for a variety of reasons that have little to do with politics but are much more inside baseball to the news business. But what they have are thousands of reporters who are gathering information and presenting it more or less factually, which doesn't exist in the "alt" media which includes conservative but left-wing alternative stuff too, because that's mostly commentary and media criticism.

          There's not a dissident right-wing or tankie equivalent of the NYT. They also succeeded on the internet because they never tried to copy the internet, while a lot of "new media" sites blew up and then suddenly went bankrupt because the traffic wasn't actually worth what they thought it was, or what they suckered their investors into believing it would be.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah unfortunately or fortunately the NYT have experience, structure, business savvy and huge resources beyond anyone else besides maybe the BBC. You just can't write them off. it sure would be nice to either trust them implicitly or dismiss them out of hand but it would be nice to shit gold too.

            I'm definitely going to give semafor a go, cheers. sounds right up my alley.

            do you have any insight into what's gone wrong with WaPo specifically? I'm just baffled at how bad their journalistic standards are, how did it get this way?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I dunno what happened to the WaPo but their opinion section is even worse than the NYT and I think Bezos turned it into a quasi-clickbait farm while trying to seem like that wasn't what he was doing.

              I should add that I check in on Foreign Affairs from time to time and sneak the paywalled articles through the Wayback Machine, it's more ideological and an unofficial U.S. State Department and CIA magazine but it's written for them to lay out long-term trends as they see it. Like you said, read everything skeptically.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >CNN
          Is often as sensational as Fox news and honestly has no value. If you want North American news from a leftwing perspective use CBC

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          AP is as unbiased as NPR. Meaning it ain't. Like the other fellow said, read all you can stomach and learn to recognize when someone is pitching a sale or massaging the weasel words. You can see who they bat for by who they cut into the most.
          Latest news meta is they are laying the public opinion groundwork for the inevitable war with CHYNA.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        None of them. Honestly, you get a more complete picture going to /misc/ and learning how to filter the bullshit from the paid shills and bots who flood the place. Here on /k/, the bots and shills have free reign outside the general threads that are weapon-specific.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Newsmax and OANN.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yuropoor here. What Burger newspaper do I need to read if I want unbiased reporting?

        There is none as you would have known if you followed the covid debacle. All American news papers are owned by a handful of mega companies owned and controlled by you already know who.

        https://i.imgur.com/dy2P7dS.png

        >So what’s /k/‘s guess?
        They are dead, wounded and sitting as POW's. The 30k number of dead Zelensky gave is laughable and is less than 10% of the real death figure. Ukraine is right now looking at a total of at least 1.2 million people dead or severely wounded. Russia's numbers are less than half this amount.

        I expect jannies to 404 this threads because anything that exposes Ukrainian lies and propaganda on /k/ gets swiftly yeeted.

        >They are dead, wounded and sitting as POW's.

        The most likely answer. The French and British artillery bombardment of Sevastopol in the 1855 siege killed or wounded 1000 defending Russians per day. And that was with black powder mortar bombs and solid ball shot. The /k/rew consists of too many Americans who think real war is like the colonial policing adventure they were part of. Real war is endless spam of high explosive fragmentation grenades and a constant loss of people even in front zones that are quiet.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >All American news papers are owned by a handful of mega companies owned and controlled by you already know who.
          those damned Aussies! Not like based India and based China and based Russia and based Turkey who had no lockdowns or vaccines and their press stridently declared COVID to be a israeli hoax

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just ignore what anyone on /k/ says and make your own opinions.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    300,000 at the front. Probably, lots more in the rear and in inactive areas.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    for every front line soldier you need 2-5 in the rear supporting him. either with logistics, comms,laundry,food,etc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I still remember my first experience of cruise missile strikes live on TV while the reporters were having interviews.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hello yes I am here from journalism, can you please tell me the exact locations of all Ukrainian troops
    I'm pretty sure this journalist is lucky he didn't get shot, and he should go back to where he clearly came from: IGN.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does /k/ meme Washington Post as a Kremlin propaganda outlet? To me it just seems like the typical “bad news is good news” baiting editorial tactic, ie, click-bait.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      do they? I think they're just moronic, possibly because of Bezos and possibly because they have a weak foundation. they basically the new Huffington post

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you don't have to get your messaging from moscow to be actively helping the russians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does /k/ meme Washington Post as a Kremlin propaganda outlet
      We don't Ziggers just like using them as they're favorite western new outlet to cherry pick from because they're moronic and "Washington Post" makes them think it's an official governmental source like RT

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >So what’s /k/‘s guess?
    They are dead, wounded and sitting as POW's. The 30k number of dead Zelensky gave is laughable and is less than 10% of the real death figure. Ukraine is right now looking at a total of at least 1.2 million people dead or severely wounded. Russia's numbers are less than half this amount.

    I expect jannies to 404 this threads because anything that exposes Ukrainian lies and propaganda on /k/ gets swiftly yeeted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Draft 1 million people
      >End up with 1.2 million dead or wounded
      Implessive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's possible if you know... their military had more than 0 people before starting the draft. Kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/dy2P7dS.png

          >So what’s /k/‘s guess?
          They are dead, wounded and sitting as POW's. The 30k number of dead Zelensky gave is laughable and is less than 10% of the real death figure. Ukraine is right now looking at a total of at least 1.2 million people dead or severely wounded. Russia's numbers are less than half this amount.

          I expect jannies to 404 this threads because anything that exposes Ukrainian lies and propaganda on /k/ gets swiftly yeeted.

          wow, this is eye opening. how much longer do you think until the Ukranian army collapses, and Russia finishes taking the suburbs of Dontesk? maybe 1<N<3 weeks?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            336 hours

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >how much longer do you think until the Ukranian army collapses
            see pic related unironically (its over)

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              holy shit, a screenshot of a /misc/post made by a meme-flag? it's JOEVER

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Tick-Tok

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So just 14 more months... The endgame begins.. it's over

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I give it around (2!) weeks, where ! denotes the factorial operator

              It’s 35% combat roles…in the US Army. There’s no chance in HELL that Ukraine runs an even lower ratio. And if they are then that represents corruption or incompetence on a monumental scale which I simply don’t believe.

              >And if they are then that represents corruption or incompetence on a monumental scale which I simply don’t believe
              Ukraine is virtually synonymous with corruption so this is entirely possible. I suspect a good chunk of it really is unaccounted dead though, since maintaining good records in this war would be difficult

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >good chunk of it is unaccounted dead
                Jesus you're fricking moronic. If ukraine had lost half it's fricking army it wouldn't be able to fight you braindead Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Russians lost a massive patrol ship/Corvette and the either the kerch or crimea bridge got hit again. Also the dod gave the middle finger to Congress more or less and decided to send a couple billion over in weapons. One of those things set them off

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-ukraine-weapons-without-replacing-us-stocks-waiting-congress-rcna140748

                The Pentagon decided to keep acting and send shells today "reportedly". They did for sure send another 250 million worth. They'll just send stuff meant for future demo over to ukraine until Congress goes. The bridge and Corvette have their own threads

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If ukraine had lost half it's fricking army it wouldn't be able to fight
                Unless the Russians were also taking meaningful casualties and Ukraine was conducting ongoing mobilization efforts, in which case there would be a few local Russian breakthroughs but nothing major.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I suspect a good chunk of it really is unaccounted dead though
                I suspect you didn't get the full issue of Grandparents.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ?? what? i don't understand that about the grandparents.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I rather suspected you wouldn't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i had grandparents if that's what you mean, but what did you mean by it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Grandparents, but not enough of them it seems.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You mean the russian sempais in the army who do funny things to their kohais in the oshiri?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stupid frogposter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Zelensky's 30K dead number is laughable
      >30K dead
      >reasonable killed/wounded ratio of 1:4/1:5
      >180,000 total casualties
      >a bit over 2-1 in total casualties, only 1-6 in total killed
      >laughable
      All this means is the ukrops are running a tighter show, and if you get wounded as a russian you're far more likely to wind up dead due to poor evac practices. It's not an extremely crazy stat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude the Pentagon and the UK MoD have both given far higher estimates for the death toll. No one believes its just 31k.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the Pentagon and the UK MoD have both given far higher estimates for the death toll
          Post the numbers, and where/when they were published.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia's numbers are less than half this amount.
      Brotip: your shilling will be more effective if you at least keep it to plausible claims. The idea that Ukraine has lost more men than Russia, or even that the casualties are equal, simply isn't plausible, and will cause people to disregard everything you've claimed. You need to keep into account the problem of Russians being incompetent morons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The idea that Ukraine has lost more men than Russia, or even that the casualties are equal, simply isn't plausible
        It's the only plausible option since Russia has more artillery tubes and way more shells than the Ukraine, and like in all modern wars most deaths are from artillery

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Defender's advantage and we've seen the complete lack of accuracy of russian tubes and shells.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >we've seen the complete lack of accuracy of russian tubes and shells.
            every single interview of every Ukrainian solider who fought in Avdiivka and Bakhmut and in the Counteroffensyiv said otherwise dummy

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not to mention every official source like NATO and western think tanks have admitted the Russian overmatch in artillery and shells too lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's fine man. The longer it goes the more Russians die, the weaker China gets and we can start cutting India off from cheap fuel now. The worst thing that could happen is Putin stops.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              See

              https://i.imgur.com/wkSaTV5.jpg

              False equivalency.

              A

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          False equivalency.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you teaching them how to shit up /k/ more effectively?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I want a better class of shill. I want someone I can actually argue with, not these braindead morons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why are Ukrainian claims more plausible than Russian claims?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The idea that Russia hasn't been suffering far more casualties than Ukraine isn't plausible, since Russia has been employing moronic meat wave tactics and Ukraine has been employing defence in depth.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >since Russia has been employing moronic meat wave tactics
            not a single video of this has ever been published FYI

            The myth of the Russian meat wave was debunked by History Legends:

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >History Legends
              Ok this is clearly bait
              Next you'll cite Armchair Copelord

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              lel been a while since someone posted the serb

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >was debunked by History Legends:
              I CAN'T FRICKING TAKE IT ANYMORE

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >"History Legends debunked it!"
              So that's hard proof that it is true, then.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          because we all remember the first 72 hours of the war, and we all remember how there definitely wasn't going to be an invasion, and we all remember the 250% loss rate of himars

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Becuase Ukraine has a reputation of general credibility, while Russia and russian shills have a reputation for lying every single time they open their mouths. Simple as.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you been paying attention the last few years? No, i don't mean cherrypicking bullshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia's numbers are less than half this amount
      Russia having lost 600,000 is ridiculous, let alone Ukraine losing 1,200,000. This isn't WW2 you fricking moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia having lost 600,000 is ridiculous, let alone Ukraine losing 1,200,000.
        Russia fires anywhere from 6 to 10 times more shells than the Ukraine daily depending on the stage of the war so if anything Russian deaths should be around 10-25% those of the Ukrainians.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia hasn't been maintaining that fire rate for a long time now. It's closer to 1:2 and Russia's artillery is vastly less accurate, and they tend to be firing at Ukrainians who are deeply dug in. Places like Avdiivka had deep concrete bunkers which are basically impervious to regular artillery.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Places like Avdiivka had deep concrete bunkers which are basically impervious to regular artillery.
            Not impervious to FABs though, speaking of, how did that city go for them? Not well

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the fabs are interesting. undoubtedly crucial for Russia's breakthrough as they took it within weeks of shifting tact to use them, but they also undoubtedly exposed the Russian airforce to increased risk and that move corresponded to the reports of shot down Russian aircraft... is it worth trading strategic assets for tactical gains? Will and can they repeat it? can Ukraine go from simply nipping at these strikes to mauling them and stopping them? I doubt it without their own strike craft

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but they also undoubtedly exposed the Russian airforce to increased risk and that move corresponded to the reports of shot down Russian aircraft
                """reports""" of dozens shot down with *possible* (not confirmed) video of ONE (1) shoot-down. Clearly, the most likely option is the Ukraine made it up to shore up morale and steal headlines after Avdiivka fell. If the shootdowns were true, we would have seen a decrease in fighter-bomber and FAB usage and we have seen no such reduction. The Russians still have been launching FABS every day, including to the west of Avdiivka. Just last week they were flying directly over Chasiv Yar and the Ukrainians there were filming and complaining about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah i get it you're a Russian and feel compelled to pwn the ukrops

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Like Jackson Hinkle, I'm a proud American patriot who stands with Russia and Palestine

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I get that you're taking the piss by FYI no native English speaker would ever say fighter-bomber

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                moron, fighter-bomber has been in english parlance since WW2, it's just fallen out of more common use due to shifting aircraft roles and terminology.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, no one uses it anymore except for Russians you fricking idiot. they're the only dumb tards who still call strike craft fighter bombers, perhaps because they're the only morons who have to lob dumb bombs from low altitude

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I had seen Su34s described that way in multiple sources because they are fighter-bombers and was just repeating a phrase that I had seen before. My family history in the USA probably goes back farther than 99% of the people in this thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah not buying it homosexual, half my family line goes back to the original colonies and the other half goes back to the first french settlers, who gives a frick? maybe work on your wack ass sentence structure, b***h.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Fr*nch

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Using FABs like that costs Russia on average 1.5 planes a day.
              Please keep doing that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So maybe 2 from visual confirmation. Maximum maybe 6 if you count milbloggers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever helps you sleep at night.
                I suspect Ukraine will take those trades every day if they can.
                Russian can't build fighters anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >than the Ukraine
          >the Ukraine
          Gee I wonder which side this guy is is rooting for

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          False equivalency.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Ukraine doesn't have FABs (the only have a few that were vulnerable to GPS jamming and were jammed and they don't have enough planes to launch them on a regular basis anyway), Russia is able to and has been using FABs to accurately obliterate build-up concrete Ukrainian positions and trenches. This by far compensates for the possibility of inaccurate artillary (which is itself debatable since the Ukranians are unable to swap gun barrels due to supply issues while the Russians can so Ukrainian barrels all have massive and you can find Ukrainian interviews complaining about this).

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >FABs
              Can you use KAB instead of FAB when talking about guided variants of the FAB dumb bomb.
              If I was talking about GPS jamming a Mk 82 bomb you would rightly call me moronic because the Mk's are dumb bombs that can be ungraded to JDAM or Paveway by having guidance kits bolted on.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Russian glide bomb usage is inaccurate by pro-russian sources own accounts and the VKS sortie rate and munitions supply would never compensate for an artillery heavy army like Russia. They help and they are a severe threat but thinking this compensates for the inaccuracy of artillery is misguided anon. FAB usage is also likely what's been getting their shit knocked down lately (again by pro-russian sources own claims confirming air losses) now that Ukraine allegedly switched up air defense tactics. Even if this was an attempt to compensate and worked it isn't sustainable in a long term sense both in attrition and overall cost per flight hour, it doesn't scale to massed fires from tubes and if it did then the US would have no artillery at all given their doctrine by your logic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Russian glide bomb usage is inaccurate by pro-russian sources own accounts
                There are endless videos now of them landing directly on trenches and fortified bunkers, and they have progressed to launching 2 or 3 at the same time. In front-line areas the strikes can be observed with drones and another 2-3 sent if need be with a course correction, this is how they demolished all the fortifications in Avdiivka.

                > FAB usage is also likely what's been getting their shit knocked down lately
                No confirmation of that so far and the Ukraine has lost multiple critical AD assets in just the last week alone. Most of the time FABs are launched from a position too far away for the Ukrainian AD to do anything which you may be forgetting, they can always play it safe and switch back to only launching it from out of range of AD if need be (but based on recent footage of Russian planes almost right over the frontline they dont even need to).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >There are endless videos now of them landing directly on trenches and fortified bunkers
                I've seen one video, where all three missed the bunkers that were centered in the drone observers camera.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the Ukraine
                Good job outing yourself, sub-Black person.

                Unfortunately for oyu, Ukraine hasn't lost any AD "assets" other than decoys outside of delusional propaganda from the so-called Russian Federation.

                >they can always play it safe and achieve absolutely nothing
                FTFY.

                >but based on recent footage of Russian planes almost right over the frontline they dont even need to
                Based on the undeniable fact that they've been suffering catastrophic and unsustainable airframe losses recently, they sure do seem to need to. They just seem to be too incompetent to realise and as such keep losing planes left and right.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              My guy a video of Ukraine using a AASM-250 literally was posted today

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Ukraine uses them rarely and has reported issues with them being jammed and missing, whereas Russia was dropping over one hundred a day in Avdiivka alone

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wow, Russia was dropping 100 a day? I can't believe they managed to drop 500 a day. it really is impressive that they kept up a rate of 500 an hour. just incredible that a million were dropped on Avdiivka in a single day

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And yet doing seemed to achieve little to nothing for the illegitimate tribal confederation known as the so-called Russia, and they still had to take the town with meatwaves that cost them upwards of 50,000 casualties in return for less than 1/10th of that suffered by the armed forces of the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >and they still had to take the town with meatwaves
                that was debunked already see

                >since Russia has been employing moronic meat wave tactics
                not a single video of this has ever been published FYI

                The myth of the Russian meat wave was debunked by History Legends:

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia was dropping over one hundred a day in Avdiivka alone
                Their record was 152 which they achieved 4 days ago. Recently though they haven't been dropping too many. They were able to reach the 152 number by systematically saving up the munitions and wanted to use them in a in a push to try and attempt the collapse of the defensive after the fall of Avdiivka. Nice try but didn't work though

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The Ukraine doesn't have FABs
              But they do have JDAMs and those have a CEP that's less than "lmao"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The Ukraine

              The muscovite reveals itself.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's "THE FAKE COUNTRY OINKRAINE", Rajneesh, no crore rupee for you

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >we've seen the complete lack of accuracy of russian tubes and shells.
          every single interview of every Ukrainian solider who fought in Avdiivka and Bakhmut and in the Counteroffensyiv said otherwise dummy

          Not to mention every official source like NATO and western think tanks have admitted the Russian overmatch in artillery and shells too lol

          volume yes their precision is pretty bad. this is known

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hiding in a trench all day is pretty darn effective against artillery with a CEP measured in hundreds of meters before the barrel is even worn

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russian fires are mostly used for suppression on presumed enemy locations. This is to keep Ukrainians fixed in their trenches while they push forward. If anyone survives they dig in and try to correct fire to take out strongpoints for follow-on forces to capture. They have been operating this way since Bakhmut.
          Ukrainian artillery is used entirely differently and is mostly used for counter-battery and to blast Russian fleshbags while they advance out in the open. This is all corrected in real time with drones and using their own homespun BFT app.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine is right now looking at a total of at least 1.2 million people dead or severely wounded. Russia's numbers are less than half this amount.
      Too bad that the proven and undeniable casualty rate is somewhere around 5-10:1 in favour of Ukraine. So your "less than half" would actually be approx 6-12 million dead or severely wounded Russians. And seethe harder about the jannies raping your ass for being a sub-Black person.

      >The idea that Ukraine has lost more men than Russia, or even that the casualties are equal, simply isn't plausible
      It's the only plausible option since Russia has more artillery tubes and way more shells than the Ukraine, and like in all modern wars most deaths are from artillery

      >since Russia has more artillery tubes and way more shells
      Russian incompetence means that en of their tubes and fifty of their shells are worth less than one ukrainian tube and one ukrainian shell.

      >we've seen the complete lack of accuracy of russian tubes and shells.
      every single interview of every Ukrainian solider who fought in Avdiivka and Bakhmut and in the Counteroffensyiv said otherwise dummy

      No, every single interview of every Ukrainian and Russian soldier who fought at Avdiivka and Bakhmut and anywhere else said exactly that, sub-Black person.

      Not to mention every official source like NATO and western think tanks have admitted the Russian overmatch in artillery and shells too lol

      Not a single official source like NATO mand western think tanks admitted to this "overmatch" in anything but nubmers, which as shown ar emore than compensated for by masssive ukrainian superiority in accurracy, alacrity, ISR and all-around competence. Yet again, quality has beat quantity. Kys, sub-Black person, it is the only way to preserve what's left of your dignity now. (Just kidding, you never had any.)

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You need 2-5 support soldiers to 1 at the front line. The more advanced stuff like planes it's 1-20. Ukraine is using 1-2.5 which is about right. Otherwise you end up with 380,000 dead vs 33000 dead. The new guy might shift the ratio to 1-2 to push more soldiers forward, if he needs more men he will tell zelensky.
    The old guy wasn't rotating troops fast enough but otherwise he was good. I think he was just worn out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s 35% combat roles…in the US Army. There’s no chance in HELL that Ukraine runs an even lower ratio. And if they are then that represents corruption or incompetence on a monumental scale which I simply don’t believe.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lower ratio of combat units or lower ratio of supply units? I can easily see the ukrainians needing more supply units due to soviet ammo storage inefficiency and having less automation than the US.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are just being obtuse

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    300k serving on the front. Meanwhile, there's 100k along the border with Belarus and perhaps lesser but still significant numbers the directions of the West & South. Combine that with supply and those who have been wounded, it's not pointing to anything of the "500k dead ukrops" like Ziggers and some Journo scumbag wants you to believe.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Tooth to tail ratio of nearly 1 to 3
    That's really good. Like really good. For reference the US Armys TTR is 1:10.
    As usual, WaPo, the /misc/niogger vatnik who made this thread reveal themselves to be complete morons.

    >The point is, no one seems to know where those 700,000
    THEY'RE AT FRICKING WAR YOU moron AND THAT INFORMATION IS VALUABLE INTELLIGENCE FOR THE RUSSIANS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lie, it’s 35% for the US Army. There’s NO chance, ZERO, that Ukraine has even lower ratio.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's the fricking army not the entire military you stupid frick. And they wouldn't all be at the front anyways. Amy 35 is 1 300000 up front 700000 out back you suck at math and reading. Do you not know 1/3, 2/3 . Delete your own post you brown shit bag

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't a high tooth to tail ratio just mean that you have a highly trained and supported professional army? Why is having a lower one supposed to be more difficult?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Look at the basic math. 35% of 1,000,000 350000 at the front which is close to what Ukrainians have. He's a moron who can't read or do basic math. He's some brown shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day my man

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WaPo are morons. 1mil is the total number of "defense forces" , which includes cops, SBU and shit with bloated stuff that isn't the actual army. And doubt it was at 1mil at any time anyway

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't worry about it.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    somehow this post convinced me that Russia is not pathetic, but is actually very strong, despite struggling against less than 1/3 of the expected military force resisting them.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This brown motherfricker went off for 15 minutes unaware
    300000 was around 35% of a million
    I'm not making this up.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Pentagon has been talking about this with Biden for weeks. Right now it's around 10-12 billion total they could do this year worth of weapons. The thing is the military would foot the bill.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a shitty article. Claiming that "the Ukrainian military hasn't explained what 700,000 of their troops are doing" is very different from claiming that the Ukrainian military doesn't know what 700,000 of their troops are doing. I've never explained to anyone what the contents of my porn folders are or how many degenerate fetishes they contain, but that doesn't mean I don't know those things myself.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ukrainian Army is
    200

    thats where they are

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honest question
    Do Russians actually think Ukrainians will ever stop trying to kill them for the next decade? Honestly yes or no

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My understanding is Russians believe what they are told to believe and seeing neither the government or media is talking about a possible Ukie insurgency then there couldn't be a Ukie insurgency.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a matter of time as guys rotate back. Ukrainians infight, it's why they will keep fighting the Russians. They need conflict. Even if Russia vanishes they will fight each other but in politics. They are driven by conflict. Russians since Putin are drive by obedience. Putin is trying to scare people with war, but the people love war. Only the polish are more brutal. I love the poles.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Driven*
          I was around the polish over seas as a building contractor. They are on our guys level which is rare.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russians dont' know and don't care just how big a frickup this is for them. Putin basically threw away the 21st century for russia after spending 20+ years trying to make the country into a power again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I saw a clip from Russia media where one guy said that Ukrainians have officially lost “little brother” status and that it’ll be a long time before relations with Russia will be able to stabilize but never again will they have little brother status.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia lacks an exit strategy

      they really are trying to copy Iraq 2: W's Boogaloo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think Palestinians will stop wanting to kill Israelis? It doesn’t matter cuz they’re gonna genocide them off the land anyways you stupid Ameritard.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is unabated shit. Not only is the article written by a moron who doesn’t understand the quote or the issue at hand but then you have morons itt amplify that moron’s moronation. No, 700k Yookies didn’t disappear into thin air after being conscripted. Zelensky is simply asking why 700k conscripted Yookies actively collecting pay stubs aren’t fighting or participating in the military as they should be. Given that the quote is butchered by the author and out of context I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Zelensky that he understands tooth to tail but he has some insider info to suggest that a good amount of those 700k aren’t even participating in the tail, some might be some double dippers/fakes, or were meant to rotate into the teeth at some point but found a way out. I’m not going to deny that Ukraine has some corruption issues but articles like these don’t adequately address the issue and only spread misinformation. It’s absurd the moronic author of the article in question can even call himself a journalist.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >we lost 700k dudes they aren't dead just missing lol
    This does not surprise me. Personally I was neutral about these Ukrainians trying to fight their local super power until I encountered a Ukrainian internet hall monitor. This seems to be part of their cultural mentality. They don't seem to understand or value things like truth or open discussion. They are obsessed with appearances above all. It's China tier. Maybe it is a Slavic thing? I don't know, but I hope Russia wins.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Xv5BtQG.jpg

      >I doubt Ukraine’s armed forces are THAT badly-manage
      lol, lmao

      /pol/Black folk seething about getting banned again?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >vague statement made by someone who has no idea what he's talking about
    >shills immediately use it to push their narratives
    *clears throat*
    Pussia has created 2 military districts in regions that were virtually untouchable for draft and mobilization before and raised mobilization age to 65 for mobiks and 70 for officers. Now go frick yourselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Surely they won't conscript from prescious Moscow? They just had a few thousand people show up for Navalnys funeral.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "A few thousand willing volunteers in shtormz you say?"

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And yet they still kick russia ass on a daily bases.
    Also, Kek bridge status?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TZD

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what is more likely
    >700k men teleporting into another dimension
    or
    >the article writer is fricking moronic

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Think, anon. 300,000 at the front, the rest are doing logistics. U.S. military is the same. Several hundred thousand are actual frontline soldiers, the rest are POGs. You can't run an army without proper logistics and stop assuming every soldier is a frontline soldier.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do /misc/Black folk love to cite Washington Post all the time? Also literally no one but the writer claimed that 700,000 people are missing.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Post propaganda
    >Get BTFO'd here
    >Run away to your safe space and post it there... but not without seething about us while making the thread
    LMAO

    [...]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lel /misc/ literally believes anything. I think I'll edit some fake headlines sometime and start posting them there

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Be extremely careful, I literally did that once (pic related was made by me) as a troll. I made a SINGLE thread. But it became actual wide-spread fake news. I think what happened is that actual Russian shills saw the pic and started spreading to other places. Really regret doing that now

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going to make some about shit like an official NAFO brigade

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus they're so fricking moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >unironically using chuddies as an insult
      What the frick happened to /misc/?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, they are truly mind broken and/or moron.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would advice to look for them in Germany and Poland

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assume Ukraine lost 100k, 300k are wounded or missing

    The rest have permanently left the country and aren't coming back to fight

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think the golden indicator of an absolute fricking moron take on the war is if they 1 death = 3 wounded is a real thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Like the 1.2 million Russian men who fled mobilization?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but Russia has literally more men, even if those 1.2 million Russians died no one in Russia will care

        They're also hiring turd worlders to fight and die on behalf of mobiks

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This has been a problem with numbers since two years ago. Units were never at full strength.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Combination of idiotic journalist and an even more moronic campaign to justify the next conscription wave.

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