I don't even think the American MIC had to lift a finger. It's something Poles were working on a couple of years ago, since they still operate MiGs. So apparently someone in Washington gave the green light for a quick technology transfer.
The Poles have been nothing short of aces throughout all this. Funny thing is I haven't heard much out of them. No boasting, complaining, russia hating. I could have my blinders on, but maybe the Poles just keep their burning hatred of the Russians to themselves.
It should be the other way around. Business before pleasure implies, that you need to kill the German first, and then engage in something that actually brings you joy (killing Russians).
You know, maybe if poles didn't act like killing germans was a distinct possibility in the future, we'd be more aggreable concerning their position on killing russians.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Listen Klaus, you can't be trusted. If you think the entire world isn't still eyeballing you after the shit you pulled in the 20th century you're very fricking wrong. We all remember. All of us.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Haha I think we can all agree we had a lot of fun with this war, and we grew together -- as friends -- but as an American I'm not cool with fighting hypothetical uncucked Germans because the Polish want to play israelite
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your country always suck tiny rusomongolian dick and you still wonder why other countries watch on your hands, especially now after you seek peace possibility with russia, acting totally against other European countries and b***hing about "we should open Norde sream 2"? What's happened with german clear thinking? Did you swallow t9 much russian cum and get soviet brain damage?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine pic related smug guy talks down to You and telling You to be more like him. That's the Easter Euro German relations in a nutshell.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what you're saying is Germany has hurt feelings over how the world is treating them again? Sounds familiar. Seems like maybe everyone should keep an eye on that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nana were all good.
Those 100 billions will go into defenses only. Pinky Promise
2 years ago
Anonymous
>people forget East Germany was a thing
German wiener gobbling Russia makes sense when you remember East Germany was communist and under direct Russian control from 1945-1989. Even though the commies were shit there's still gonna be swaths of morons with delusions of commie rule being better times and having nostalgia for those times plus money grubbing buttholes who want to make max profits with no moral compass.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This guy gets it. The Stasi didn't vanish into thin air when the Berlin wall fell, they got rehired.
that article seems to imply that it's most likely the trainer versions of ukrainian migs (two-seaters) that have been rigged to fire harms. it would've needed a new radar, data bus, and some way to program & fire the thing from the back seat. they either got the systems from polan or they managed to rig an improvised mfd to interact with the radar and feeding the data to each missile.
That's a start. Between USSR and NATO equipment this might not talk the same voltage, standard rails sure won't fit, and so on. Once you can actually get a single back and forth you need to update the software so it knows what to do, and with most aircraft all the software is simply one big lump. So you change one thing and you have to go through the entire fricking thing to make sure nothing else broke in the process. Then there's flight testing to make sure the new missile doesn't cause some aerodynamic frickery, which you'll want to test at as many combinations as possible of speed, altitude, manoeuvrers, other ordnance carried and possibly also weather.
what exactly is the hard part of comparability?
Is it to communicate data from onboard systems to the missile?
The Malaysian successfully integrating American GBU-12 Paveway II with their Sukhoi SU-30MKM. Not to mentioned the SU-30MKM were also fitted with French Damocles pod.
>Why are these planes so fricking huge? Seems unnecessary.
Modern jet planes are B I G
Look at the B-17 compared to an F-14 or SU-30 in pic related. I'm not sure what to think: what the frick are they filling the modern planes with, or how the hell did they fit a few tons of bombs and 10 men in a B-17?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It helps that the B-17 engines are on the outside, mounted to the wings, and not inside the fuselage. That probably takes up a pretty big chunk of a modern jet's internal volume, just cramming the engines and ducting into it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
holy shit B-17s are tiny
It helps that the B-17 engines are on the outside, mounted to the wings, and not inside the fuselage. That probably takes up a pretty big chunk of a modern jet's internal volume, just cramming the engines and ducting into it.
not only that but men in the 40s were manlets due to malnutrition due to the great depression
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what the frick are they filling the modern planes with
BIG engine, BIG fuel tanks, BIG radar, BIG spars and structural elements. You have to have a BIG engine to go fast, BIG fuel tanks to go far, BIG radar to see good and BIG structure so it doesn't fricking fall apart pulling 10 Gs doing a twin culbit Pugachev's Cobra barrel roll reverse spin into two and a quarter Immelmann S-split. >how the hell did they fit a few tons of bombs and 10 men in a B-17
Engine on outside, fuel tanks in wings, no radar, a basic skeleton construction covered with sheet aluminum. Most of the fuselage is empty so you can fit a lot inside and it has double the wingspan of Su-30 and most other jet fighters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
WW2 bombers also didn't really have a large bomb load either. The space for bombs in a B17 is pretty small. A Vietnam era single seat attack plane could carry more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hell, the A-1 could carry more and that was a single piston engine carrier plane.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My great uncle was a ball gunner on a B-17. He said you needed to be short and skinny even by WW2 standards to even fit in there, as well as pretty flexible. Those planes were cramped as shit. The modern pressurized comfy bomber era started with the B-29, pic related.
And yes, the B-29 heavily inspired the Millennium Falcon's wienerpit design.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've always liked the Heinkel He 111
Wonder what it's like flying with nothing but glass between you and the sky (and the flak)
4 months to plan, modify and test the planes for the Doolittle Raid. Since the Russians couldn't get a quick knockout, now there's plenty of time for American hackery.
in theory, but in practice it could very well be: >opto coupler for firing signal to missile >test fire it at very good speed and maneuvering conditions >tell pilot to push button only during those conditions
Works good enough to get fire and forget weapons going on almost anything
they didnt have to. HARM has its own GPS guided mode where you can set a waypoint that the missile will go to before going active i believe its called pre-brief mode plus i heard germany had some old east german migs they upgrade to handle NATO standards but then later sold them to Poland. who knows those migs are now 😉
I'm no expert, but from my understanding, no. The AMRAAM needs to communicate with on-board systems much more than the AGM-88 HARM. The key to the HARM is it can be programmed on the ground to fly to an area by GPS, and once there use terminal guidance to find the radar emission source. This is done by ISR assets doing the identifying, targeting, and tracking.
Note that this could be defeated by regularly moving the radars... but that would require effort.
Don't be naive, the have probably figured this shit decades ago.
There is a reason america salivates everytime they get russian hardware. They have all the electronics and everything figured out, specially old soviet stuff like a mig 29.
They probably had the instructions to that shit laying in a file cabinet for a few decades already, somewhere between the alchemical formula to turn raw lead into 5.56 instantly and the location of Teddy Roosevelt's bioenhanced clone in cryostasis.
The UK took less than 48 hours to rig HARM on vulcan bombers in the Falklands War. In the same weekend we created a probe and drouge refueling system for C-130 at a time when it had never been done before on that aircaft.
A nice story but no one gives a frick in the major cities and the villages have always been backwater shitholes. Putin will send everyone to the meatgrinder to achieve nothing then get some slithers of Donbas for his troubles because the EU sold themselves to him decades ago.
The A-10s finally getting to BRRRRRRT Russian columns pleases the machine spirits of the airplanes. It'd be like a Tomcat full of AIM-54s getting to splash a squadron of nuclear bombers, or a Chinaman dying in a horrible industrial accident.
>design aircraft for specific purpose of destroy supply lines >the largest Russian supply line in Ukraine is backed up and sitting there, just ready to be destroyed >we do not utilize this aircraft to accomplish the very mission it was constructed for
Would A-10's strafing that convoy have ended the war early? Can't say, but morale would have dropped lower than it did when the USSR collapsed.
The A-10 is a plane wrapped around a 30mm cannon. It is born to strafe tanks and supply columns. The sensor fusion shit is a side effect. >BRRRRRRRRRRRRT
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was a 40km road of trucks. Use a gun, not missiles, that'd be such a waste on such a long line just sitting there. You don't even need airplanes, just helicopters have the caliber to waste all those trucks.
>getting within SHORAD range in a slow, non-stealthy target
lurk more, teenagers. SFWanon was correct.
It was a 40km road of trucks. Use a gun, not missiles, that'd be such a waste on such a long line just sitting there. You don't even need airplanes, just helicopters have the caliber to waste all those trucks.
It unironically is. Dont forget their own equivalent had to have seeker electronics replaced to go against specific radar.
So before the mission you would have to chhose if you want a seeker that will target HAWK, or Roland or Patriot, else, and then install specific electronic package that would allow the missile to target it.
Compared to this HARM is literal star trek lewel magitech
Let's see what else the krokodil-ridden vatnik mind considers a wonder weapon >a man-portable fire and forget ATGM >a basic b***h lightweight howitzer >near obsolete guided rockets from a lightweight MLRS
Imagine being in awe at all this and still thinking you're the second military in the world because you have mountains of rusty Soviet shit.
Major James Harding. 101 missions FAC missions over North Vietnam flying a Cessna O-1 Bird Dog.
There's not a single Russian pilot who is even in his galaxy for having sheer skill and balls.
A combination of absolute skill and luck considering it was possible to down an O-1 with a rifle. He later flew a second tour flying an A-1 Skyraider. He was downed in 1972 and shot dead four NVA on the ground with a .38 pistol and AK-47 while waiting to be picked up. In total he flew 596 missions.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending Mig-29 spare parts(hint hint) AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>Their service life was extended up to 4000 flight hour or until 2028. In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
Does that not also imply AMRAAM being supplied if you can also bolt LAU-129 on them ?
Ukies have a severe disadvantage when it comes to not having fox3's, then again they probably lack the training with them, unless lock-shoot-wait till pitbull-turn cold works fine as a strategy
I'm no expert, but from my understanding, no. The AMRAAM needs to communicate with on-board systems much more than the AGM-88 HARM. The key to the HARM is it can be programmed on the ground to fly to an area by GPS, and once there use terminal guidance to find the radar emission source. This is done by ISR assets doing the identifying, targeting, and tracking.
If they can rig a screen, computer and pylon adapters to the migs, this opens up a lot of weapons options.
It sounds complex, and in regular procurement it is, but when the context is emergency, and you can ask the best engineers who work on these, things can move fast.
Also there are US Rivet Joints and Global Hawks patrolling all around Ukraine. Even with only limited HARM modes available, the spook planes can guide the migs to shoot in the right places at the right times.
One thing to consider: AWACS can guide AMRAAM. So with an add-on box to set the missile up it could be possible.
that article seems to imply that it's most likely the trainer versions of ukrainian migs (two-seaters) that have been rigged to fire harms. it would've needed a new radar, data bus, and some way to program & fire the thing from the back seat. they either got the systems from polan or they managed to rig an improvised mfd to interact with the radar and feeding the data to each missile.
You don't need radar to fire HARM. Missile seeker head itself can act as a sensor.
The second you realise the rushits and chinksects copied the 1553 bus in order to use western weapons in case of landing on a western airbase and there's only western ammo lying around and waiting to be used.....
If that were the case then all the HARM equipped MiG-29s would be getting slapped too. Since to get 100+km out of HARM you're going to need to be flying a high altitudes.
Also S-400s can't even stop a six pack of basic b***h m30s lmao
Russians have minimal capability to engage 100km+ outside their front lines and their air defense degrades daily.
>If that were the case then all the HARM equipped MiG-29s would be getting slapped too
The speculation I've seen is that they use the pre-planned mission mode so the HARM doesn't need to talk to the MiG 29 RWR, which would also mean over the horizon strikes the S-400 can't counter
The use of HARMs has nothing to do with using ATACMS.
2 years ago
Anonymous
S-400, Pantsir, and Tor are all supposed to be capable against ATACMS. Destroying them means more missiles get through for a given volley.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russian air defenses have proven incapable of doing anything other than firing at drones and aircraft, and even then, only sometimes. They've never one demstrated they can intercept a ballistic missile.
What killing radars does do is let Ukrainian aircraft get closer to the front or beyond it, which functionally extends the range of their weapons and what they can strike at. That's a far more important benefit than the purely theoretical threat Russian air defenses pose to Ukrainian launched missiles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They intercept Tochka U missiles, which are a hypersonic short range ballistic missile. They however still occasionally get through Russian SAM systems and cause hilariously massive ammunition explosions.
Imagine if none got intercepted.
Pic related: ammo explosion deep in Luhansk on 07/12 by Ukrainian Tochka.
Everything is possible when you control Western media, men can be women, women can be men, all races are equal and it was confirmed by US sources that the HARM has been integrated with the MIG-29.
And when Russian media say so, a long defunct islamist terror cell suddenly reappears on Crimea to wreak havoc instead of admitting it's the country you're waging a "non-war" on.
What's exactly surprising about HARM being integrated with MIGs?
A number of NATO Air Forces use these planes and equipping them with NATO tech is cheaper than buying new planes
It's highly likely that the HARMs are pretargeted via GPS (likely why we've seen Ukraine probing Crimean air defenses) and merely using the MIGs as a slingshot to increase their range. It's very unlikely that they're integrated with the sensor suits available to western air frames.
Have you read the thread? HARM is capable of using GPS targeting to automatically target a location then, once it gets there, hunt for radar signals. That's why they can launch them from these piece of shit MiGs that don't have any of the internal suite that western planes do. Is it as good as an F-35 hunting radar with HARM? No, but it's a hell of a lot better than flinging artillery or tochkas at every suspected BUK.
How are you going to say someone doesnt understand the capabilities when you dont you fricking moron. GPS to get the missile somewhere then the radar kicks on and hunts radiation.
It's possible with the right mounting they could basically use a new MFD bolted to the wienerpit linked up with the HARM so it can use its HARM As a Sensor (HAS) mode to pick targets. Given they've seemingly been able to hit both larger sites and smaller SHORADs then I think they have this functionality on their MiG29s.
>Germany, please massively improve the effectiveness of your military. >t. France
dude, I don't even know at this point. Every month feels like we've jumped to a new timeline.
Nothing official specifically about MiG-29s, I think.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3134467/additional-defensive-weapons-to-be-shipped-to-ukraine-official-says/
I hate reporters, I just want to know if they have it linked to the MFDs / RWR for targeting info or if they are just pitbulling them in and the reporters don't know enough about the subject they are reporting to even ask that.
It all fits together. >the HARM missiles to delete russian aa capabilities >azerbaijan giving 32 QFAB 250 LG bombs to ukraine. >ukraine recently testing russian aa capabilities on crimea and specifically near the kerch bridge.
just connect the dots.
The only thing that could top the bridge going down would be a follow up attack wiping out Sevastopol and the whole Black Sea fleet, thus mooting everything Russia has done in/to Ukraine since the USSR broke up... and without the Black Sea fleet, Assad's supply lines vanish.
>without the Black Sea fleet, Assad's supply lines vanish.
Isn't that already the case with Turkey blocking the straits? Though I guess they let "civilian" traffic through
It's the first official confirmation that HARM had been made to work on MiG-29s and they were acting as its launch platform. That's all been speculatory up until this point, we knew they were using them we just didn't know how.
HARMS have their own seeker that's intependant from the aircraft's radar. Same as french Exocets. They could probably slap a Maverick on them but i think that's as far as it can go.
>Russia getting their shit pushed in despite 70+% of NATO supplies being destroyed crossing the border or sold on black markets
I don't think you understand how much worse that makes you orcs look.
not crossing the border, they're terrified of hitting non-uke clay. any further inland the stuff would be moving to fast and their intel and decision making too slow to intercept it.
Literally none of this is Wonderwaffen, vatBlack person. This is all standard equipment for real countries.
>dude its just normal shit >but myself, the normies on social media, and every mainstream media company will talk about them nonstop for an entire month before moving on to the next thing >no we're not consoomers
>USA invades Mexico >Half a year later, after the US military gets bogged down in bloody trench warfare around Monterrey, Mexico manages to destroy 9 US aircraft at an airbase in Arizona >hahaha two planes still intact mexico btfo
Russia's military is an absolute joke, I'd fricking kill myself if my country managed to suffer something this embarrassing. Maybe if Russia was as quick on its air defence as it is at getting bitter frick-ups like you to shill for them online there'd be somewhere safe in Crimea to store ammunition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
is mexico receiving hundreds of billions of military aid from the rest of the planet in this scenario?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hundreds of billions of military aid
Cite an itemized list of these hundreds of billions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That means frick all. Russia should have wrapped it all up completely in 10 days tops.
2 years ago
Anonymous
America would just sink it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hundreds of billions
I don't think it's even topped 80 billion across all countries yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's in the region of 30 billion apparently
>people forget East Germany was a thing
German wiener gobbling Russia makes sense when you remember East Germany was communist and under direct Russian control from 1945-1989. Even though the commies were shit there's still gonna be swaths of morons with delusions of commie rule being better times and having nostalgia for those times plus money grubbing buttholes who want to make max profits with no moral compass.
actually it makes even less sense; you'd think East Germans of all people would know exactly how fricked up the USSR was. The Ukrainians, Poles and East Europeans seem perfectly aware.
The only explanation is that krauts are tards and won't give a shit until the Red Army is at the Oder
https://i.imgur.com/EnNAI1F.png
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The Malaysian successfully integrating American GBU-12 Paveway II with their Sukhoi SU-30MKM. Not to mentioned the SU-30MKM were also fitted with French Damocles pod.
that's because the Malaysians paid the huge upfront costs involved to rip out the Russian avionics and put in French avionics in the first place, like the utter morons they are
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because East Germany bordered the west, the USSR used it as a "shopping window" and propped it up the most. Living standards in the GDR were among the highest in the USSR because of that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>among the highest in the USSR
All those brutalist buildings, empty groceries, frickin Trabants... AITOO who remembers?
2 years ago
Anonymous
just imagine how much worse the rest was
2 years ago
Anonymous
And that was considered good by USSR "standards"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not to mention how the place was so riddled with spies and monitoring that literally everyone was an informant or being informed on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally doesn't matter. In that scenario Russia could hand their entire GDP over to Mexico as an oversized novelty check but the war would be over before Mexico got it cashed.
>M777 >after arriving outperforms all Russian artillery, constantly destroys Russian arty, in single pontoooning incident destroys 70 pieces of Russian heavy equipment
>Javelin >shuts down Russian tactic of tank rushing on open planes
>Stugna-P >destroys Russian helis
>Turkish Drones >total costs around 20 million dollars - destroys SAMs, trucks, helis, attack boats and missile cruiser total worth of around 2 billion dollars
>Himars >shuts down Russian advances by constantly blowing up all their ammo dumps and bridges
>HARM >makes Russian AA piss and shit itself over fear to turn on
yes
You stupid fricking moron, nobody was claiming that these things would end shit. Hell, if anything, everyone was actually surprised at just how effective they were. Who could've thought that like eight missile trucks could single-handedly stall an entire front?
Also the Stugna-P is literally just a heavy ATGM of Ukrainian make. Again, nothing special, but the fact that it has shot down multiple helicopters is unendingly funny.
i still dont believe it. The harm isnt plug and play with russian hardware. even if they could mount it and give it a launch signal theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems. I think theres some unmarked tonados that were recently retired in from germany or the UK that are flying around doinking shit
>theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems
Don't have to. AGM-88 is more systems agnostic than that. Part of the reason was the need for backwards compatibility at the time of its initial development.
https://i.imgur.com/9IDT8DZ.png
>They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems,
That's is just sexy, they ripped out all that soviet shit "electronics" and put in some real men's western high-end stuff.
The electronics upgrade/hacking/mod geek inside me has his hand in his pants when I read stuff like this.
>they ripped out all that soviet shit "electronics"
Probably not
>The harm isnt plug and play with russian hardware.
That's why they installed US MIL-STD-1553 data bus wiring.
Told you Black folk.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending Mig-29 spare parts(hint hint) AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>Their service life was extended up to 4000 flight hour or until 2028. In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
>even if they could mount it and give it a launch signal theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems.
Don't need to when using the AMG-88 HARM is PB mode. You just need ISR assets to feed it GPS coordinates in the ground, and be able to send a launch signal to it in the air. It will launch, go to the programmed GPS coordinates, and then the seeker will start to hunt for radar emissions to home in on. Pre-Briefed (PB) does not rely on a lock-before-launch process, it loads a pre-planned target location from the aircraft into the missile and fires it "blind" once kinematically in range. The hope is that the target will be active for the seeker to acquire once in the terminal phase. Later variants with GPS can accurately hit the pre-defined coordinates, even if that doesn't happen. PB mode can be used to shoot the AGM-88 without needing the seeker to talk to the platform, like in Target-Of-Opportunity (TOO) mode. Or without needing the platform's RWR/ESM to "point" the seeker in the direction of the emissions, like in Self-Protect (SP) mode.
>That's why they installed US MIL-STD-1553 data bus wiring
Told you Black folk.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending Mig-29 spare parts(hint hint) AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>Their service life was extended up to 4000 flight hour or until 2028. In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
>This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done
Speculation.
Another possibility is this: the HARM is simply being fired in "target of opportunity" aka "unknown" mode. The Mig29 could be detecting the Russian radar with its own Russian RWR, and firing off the HARM to find it using its own seeker. Not the most accurate of methods but should be possible with the least modification.
Yet another possibility: the UAF operates a number of Mig29s upgraded with Israeli electronics for NATO interoperability. *IF* those upgrades are NATO-compatible, as one would expect of Israeli electronics, adding HARM would be much easier.
>Speculation.
So, you're going to attribute my speculation on adapting the LAU-118/A missile launcher to the Mig-29's pylon - which they would have to do - to the sourced claim of Polish Mig-29's with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring installed? israelites really did inherit the lying from their vatnig genes, didn't they? >The Mig29 could be detecting the Russian radar with its own Russian RWR, and firing off the HARM to find it using its own seeker.
Black person, the RWR would have to talk to the missile and cue the seeker to the azimuth it is detecting the emissions from. I just told you the only way it would work: A plane with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring to send the launch signal to the AGM-88 HARM using Per Brief mode and off-board ISR GPS targeting data loaded into the HARM on the ground before take-off. No other way. >UAF operates a number of Mig29s upgraded with Israeli electronics for NATO interoperability.
Never happened. israelites wanted $40mil/plane for the upgrades, or $440mil for 11 upgraded Mig-29s.
>So, you're going to attribute my speculation
Yes. Because it's still speculative that they are flying Polish Migs, or that this is the method they adopted. Why do you speak as if it is something that you know for sure they did?
>the RWR would have to talk to the missile and cue the seeker to the azimuth it is detecting the emissions from
Not necessarily. >the only way it would work: A plane with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring to send the launch signal to the AGM-88 HARM using Per Brief mode and off-board ISR GPS targeting data loaded into the HARM on the ground before take-off. No other way
Mmm, you're oh so very sure.
HARM-as-seeker mode doesn't necessarily require cueing from a plane's RWR. All that is needed is for the pilot to point it at the bearing of the target radar.
>Because it's still speculative that they are flying Polish Migs, or that this is the method they adopted.
Either they got the Polish Mig-29's Poland offered to them in March, or they had US's help installing MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring into their Migs. >Why do you speak as if it is something that you know for sure they did?
It's literally the only way for this to be done. >Mmm, you're oh so very sure. >HARM-as-seeker mode doesn't necessarily require cueing from a plane's RWR. All that is needed is for the pilot to point it at the bearing of the target radar.
You read Carlo Kopp, and become an expert, now, did you? LMAO.
2 years ago
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>Carlo Kopp
Who? >It's literally the only way for this to be done.
And you know this, how?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that guy but if you don't know Carlo Kopp and his writings you can't be taken seriously in this thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
>google
Oh the Aussie Air Power website? It sounds legit but I don't know how detailed or up to date the info is.
None of us are credible, we're all shitposting anons on a Mongolian throat singing imageboard. Take it or leave it, I don't care either way. But I certainly wouldn't put my trust in someone who says >IT MUST BE DONE LIKE THIS >THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY!
On the strength of what little osint is currently known
2 years ago
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>On the strength of what little osint is currently known
Unless they're flying US planes, it is the only way. Maybe the US donated some of our Mig-29s they upgraded, or Poland donated theirs, or Ukraine upgraded their own. Either way, the method that gives them the ability to launch AGM-88 HARMS from them is, still, the same.
2 years ago
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Nah
HARM doesn't aĺways need a radar to work.
They could even have kludged up an instrument panel of some kind in the wienerpit for manual input and launch.
they had As which correct me if im wrong it was basicly a flyable A/A variant that had almost jack shit on it no rwr no ecm no nothing same as with the early models of su 24s
UAF had Mig29S and some domestic variant, the MU1 or something like that. Only the MU2 is air to ground capable with Russian weapons, but it's a literal unicorn - there's only one such airframe operational, as far as anyone knows. The S variant does have earlier Russian electronics.
2 years ago
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yeah i cant find anything on what is actually upgraded on them only that they can fire kab 500 now
2 years ago
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>HARM doesn't aĺways need a radar to work.
I know.
they had As which correct me if im wrong it was basicly a flyable A/A variant that had almost jack shit on it no rwr no ecm no nothing same as with the early models of su 24s
>UAF had Mig29S and some domestic variant, the MU1 or something like that.
Correct, the MU1 is equipped with R-27ER1 and R-27ET1 Ukrainian produced missiles.
2 years ago
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>Carlo Kopp
Don't play stupid, Igor. >And you know this, how?
Because I'm not moronic. Maybe I work with said systems?
2 years ago
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>I work with said systems?
Sure you do
And I'm the Ghost of Kyiv
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn, nice to finally meet you. Heard a lot of good things. How did you keep getting away with it?
ok after 2 days spending searching what is going on with that id call bullshit on this
1)the sources are "u.s officials" first red flag
2)apparently according to those "sources" it happened in 2 months second red flag
i wont bore you with too much details but
there is absolutely no way usa somehow managed to hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29 found a competent programmer from the russian arm industry to decipher the obfuscation
write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly
and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
in comparison the greeks contracted rosoboronexport 3 greek universities and 3 israeli universities in order to write an obfuscation api to make the s300 work with the rest of their radar complexes
it took them 3 fricking years even having the russians there
>supercomputers
ok maybe you dont know shit about technology and i dont blame you you are on /k/ afterall
here it goes
984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936
that number right here is what you need to crack for a simple 4 digit code for AES 256
now take that number and add it to the power of 8 (again assuming russians have a 4 digit code)
the time needed even for the latest exascale is beyond the time earth has as a planet to live by
(rough calc is approx 7 billion years)
its simply not possible what so ever for this to have happened unless its a hack that works standalone which again i call bs given how sensors need the onboard computer to decipher the data and clear the noise
im ASSUMING that the russians upgraded their mcm on their planes after usa managed to get some su 27s and mig 29s
that is just my assumption but it could very well be that they didnt do shit and this is totally legit
Gee, I wonder which former USSR vassal state currently fighting an all-out war against the Russians and who happens to manufacture Mig weapons and parts and thus would definitely have root access to the system could help the US mod the Migs. Rings a bell but I really can't put my finger on it.
The US has had access to Germany's Mig-29's since the fall of the USSR, and bought 21 Mig-29's from Moldova in 1997. They've had more than enough time to probe every inch of the shitbox. Not to mention upgrading the Germany/Polish Migs with NATO standard equipment and wiring.
>Under an agreement finalized on October 10, the United States acquired 14 MiG 29Cs, described by U.S. officials as wired to permit delivery of nuclear weapons, six MiG 29As, one MiG 29B, 500 air to air missiles and all the spare parts and diagnostic equipment present at the Moldovan air base where the aircraft were stationed.
im ASSUMING that the russians upgraded their mcm on their planes after usa managed to get some su 27s and mig 29s
that is just my assumption but it could very well be that they didnt do shit and this is totally legit
im sure that what ukraine has is quite a bit more modern anon
they had As which correct me if im wrong it was basicly a flyable A/A variant that had almost jack shit on it no rwr no ecm no nothing same as with the early models of su 24s
>to hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29
They didn't have to. The MiGs US has access to come with source code access even if the Russians encrypted it and never gave the keys to them, it's been 30+ fricking years to buy someone. And most likely you don't need any of this to just get a HARM work, run a parallel connection to one of the newfangled computers running the upgrade MFDs in the wienerpit. >found a competent programmer from the russian arm industry to decipher the obfuscation
lol >write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly
what, even? >and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
no, 30+ years.
>The harm isnt plug and play with russian hardware.
That's why they installed US MIL-STD-1553 data bus wiring. [...] >even if they could mount it and give it a launch signal theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems.
Don't need to when using the AMG-88 HARM is PB mode. You just need ISR assets to feed it GPS coordinates in the ground, and be able to send a launch signal to it in the air. It will launch, go to the programmed GPS coordinates, and then the seeker will start to hunt for radar emissions to home in on. Pre-Briefed (PB) does not rely on a lock-before-launch process, it loads a pre-planned target location from the aircraft into the missile and fires it "blind" once kinematically in range. The hope is that the target will be active for the seeker to acquire once in the terminal phase. Later variants with GPS can accurately hit the pre-defined coordinates, even if that doesn't happen. PB mode can be used to shoot the AGM-88 without needing the seeker to talk to the platform, like in Target-Of-Opportunity (TOO) mode. Or without needing the platform's RWR/ESM to "point" the seeker in the direction of the emissions, like in Self-Protect (SP) mode.
what the frick did I read?
It's like you strung together unrelated buzzwords to demonstrate a technical impossibility >from Cyrillic
None of it is in Cyrilic. >the Greeks
Yeah, the Greeks. With Russian "help". It's a small miracle they did it at all.
And did you think this coupling is something that was done in 2 months and not years ago, considering for how long there have been NATO members using MiGs?
>hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29
As a software engineer, that's a total word soup, lol'd, but I guess you mean get access to the (incredibly old and shitty) mission computer. I'm pretty sure those old steam gauge MiG-29s don't even have a computer system like you would think of it. >write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly >and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
Some reverse engineering, oh noes! If you got the best engineers from US weapon industry, you'd be surprised how crafty they are. Hardware hacking, reverse engineering assembly code... they do all that.
Anyway, there is no need whatsoever to integrate the HARM to MiG-29's native systems. You could totally do a separate wiring to an add-on box you slapped on in the wienerpit. Wouldn't surprise me if they even manged to rig a western mission computer with a display to configure more advanced features of the missile.
Trickle Down Military Supremacy
>mfw
It just werks
>figures out how to integrate HARM's onto ancient and shitty Mig-29s in just a few weeks
it's easy to forget how overpowered the American MIC is sometimes.
We've had stuff to play around with for a while, so we probably had the groundwork for it laid a while back.
Still, the fact it was possible at all is a feat of engineering and programming.
>the fact it was possible at all is a feat of engineering and programming.
>bolting on a mount and connecting the fire control wire
>engineering
pathetic
>mount fire and forget missile into a fighter
>genius move
frick you newbie
I don't even think the American MIC had to lift a finger. It's something Poles were working on a couple of years ago, since they still operate MiGs. So apparently someone in Washington gave the green light for a quick technology transfer.
The Poles have been nothing short of aces throughout all this. Funny thing is I haven't heard much out of them. No boasting, complaining, russia hating. I could have my blinders on, but maybe the Poles just keep their burning hatred of the Russians to themselves.
Definitely have your blinders on.
You are blind. I hate Russia so much it's unreal.
t. Pole
>I hate Russia so much it's unreal.
least russophobic Pole
In a choice between killing a German and killing a Russian, who would you kill first to make the other more afraid before you killed them too?
Russian. How is that even a question?
duty before pleasure
.ie kill the Russian first
It should be the other way around. Business before pleasure implies, that you need to kill the German first, and then engage in something that actually brings you joy (killing Russians).
You know, maybe if poles didn't act like killing germans was a distinct possibility in the future, we'd be more aggreable concerning their position on killing russians.
Listen Klaus, you can't be trusted. If you think the entire world isn't still eyeballing you after the shit you pulled in the 20th century you're very fricking wrong. We all remember. All of us.
Haha I think we can all agree we had a lot of fun with this war, and we grew together -- as friends -- but as an American I'm not cool with fighting hypothetical uncucked Germans because the Polish want to play israelite
Your country always suck tiny rusomongolian dick and you still wonder why other countries watch on your hands, especially now after you seek peace possibility with russia, acting totally against other European countries and b***hing about "we should open Norde sream 2"? What's happened with german clear thinking? Did you swallow t9 much russian cum and get soviet brain damage?
Imagine pic related smug guy talks down to You and telling You to be more like him. That's the Easter Euro German relations in a nutshell.
So what you're saying is Germany has hurt feelings over how the world is treating them again? Sounds familiar. Seems like maybe everyone should keep an eye on that.
Nana were all good.
Those 100 billions will go into defenses only. Pinky Promise
>people forget East Germany was a thing
German wiener gobbling Russia makes sense when you remember East Germany was communist and under direct Russian control from 1945-1989. Even though the commies were shit there's still gonna be swaths of morons with delusions of commie rule being better times and having nostalgia for those times plus money grubbing buttholes who want to make max profits with no moral compass.
This guy gets it. The Stasi didn't vanish into thin air when the Berlin wall fell, they got rehired.
The most moderate Pole
Nice to find so many fellow moderates here.
Meanwhile in reality:
I thought the Poles had been using US avionics and weapons on their migs for quite a while? Or am I thinking of a different ex-warsaw pact country?
what exactly is the hard part of comparability?
Is it to communicate data from onboard systems to the missile?
that article seems to imply that it's most likely the trainer versions of ukrainian migs (two-seaters) that have been rigged to fire harms. it would've needed a new radar, data bus, and some way to program & fire the thing from the back seat. they either got the systems from polan or they managed to rig an improvised mfd to interact with the radar and feeding the data to each missile.
not really it is fire and forget missile
That's a start. Between USSR and NATO equipment this might not talk the same voltage, standard rails sure won't fit, and so on. Once you can actually get a single back and forth you need to update the software so it knows what to do, and with most aircraft all the software is simply one big lump. So you change one thing and you have to go through the entire fricking thing to make sure nothing else broke in the process. Then there's flight testing to make sure the new missile doesn't cause some aerodynamic frickery, which you'll want to test at as many combinations as possible of speed, altitude, manoeuvrers, other ordnance carried and possibly also weather.
The Malaysian successfully integrating American GBU-12 Paveway II with their Sukhoi SU-30MKM. Not to mentioned the SU-30MKM were also fitted with French Damocles pod.
Why are these planes so fricking huge? Seems unnecessary.
>Why are these planes so fricking huge? Seems unnecessary.
Modern jet planes are B I G
Look at the B-17 compared to an F-14 or SU-30 in pic related. I'm not sure what to think: what the frick are they filling the modern planes with, or how the hell did they fit a few tons of bombs and 10 men in a B-17?
It helps that the B-17 engines are on the outside, mounted to the wings, and not inside the fuselage. That probably takes up a pretty big chunk of a modern jet's internal volume, just cramming the engines and ducting into it.
holy shit B-17s are tiny
not only that but men in the 40s were manlets due to malnutrition due to the great depression
>what the frick are they filling the modern planes with
BIG engine, BIG fuel tanks, BIG radar, BIG spars and structural elements. You have to have a BIG engine to go fast, BIG fuel tanks to go far, BIG radar to see good and BIG structure so it doesn't fricking fall apart pulling 10 Gs doing a twin culbit Pugachev's Cobra barrel roll reverse spin into two and a quarter Immelmann S-split.
>how the hell did they fit a few tons of bombs and 10 men in a B-17
Engine on outside, fuel tanks in wings, no radar, a basic skeleton construction covered with sheet aluminum. Most of the fuselage is empty so you can fit a lot inside and it has double the wingspan of Su-30 and most other jet fighters.
WW2 bombers also didn't really have a large bomb load either. The space for bombs in a B17 is pretty small. A Vietnam era single seat attack plane could carry more.
Hell, the A-1 could carry more and that was a single piston engine carrier plane.
My great uncle was a ball gunner on a B-17. He said you needed to be short and skinny even by WW2 standards to even fit in there, as well as pretty flexible. Those planes were cramped as shit. The modern pressurized comfy bomber era started with the B-29, pic related.
And yes, the B-29 heavily inspired the Millennium Falcon's wienerpit design.
I've always liked the Heinkel He 111
Wonder what it's like flying with nothing but glass between you and the sky (and the flak)
4 months to plan, modify and test the planes for the Doolittle Raid. Since the Russians couldn't get a quick knockout, now there's plenty of time for American hackery.
in theory, but in practice it could very well be:
>opto coupler for firing signal to missile
>test fire it at very good speed and maneuvering conditions
>tell pilot to push button only during those conditions
Works good enough to get fire and forget weapons going on almost anything
no no. It's def not integrated with the fighters systems. It's just built parallel to the existing systems. It's easier, faster and safer this way.
There is no hard part it is fly to point of release light blue touch paper level of difficulty.
they didnt have to. HARM has its own GPS guided mode where you can set a waypoint that the missile will go to before going active i believe its called pre-brief mode plus i heard germany had some old east german migs they upgrade to handle NATO standards but then later sold them to Poland. who knows those migs are now 😉
Note that this could be defeated by regularly moving the radars... but that would require effort.
Don't be naive, the have probably figured this shit decades ago.
There is a reason america salivates everytime they get russian hardware. They have all the electronics and everything figured out, specially old soviet stuff like a mig 29.
God the Hind looks sleek.
It does
Everything russia has that is kino was made when they were soviets if you think about it
ghost if kiev all over again.
They had literally dozen of NATO Mig-29 to fiddle with.
They probably had the instructions to that shit laying in a file cabinet for a few decades already, somewhere between the alchemical formula to turn raw lead into 5.56 instantly and the location of Teddy Roosevelt's bioenhanced clone in cryostasis.
>the alchemical formula to turn raw lead into 5.56 instantly
The philosophers ammo press...
inb4 american using black magic just like their ukranian puppet
imagine having a society so backward that modern technology seems like black magic to you
The HARM has a lock on after launch mode that just beelines the nearest hostile emiter.
But MIG-29’s have been in Eastern NATO countries for a while, they must’ve had this ability long ago.
there are a lot of NATO countries who flown mig-29s
>it's easy to forget how overpowered the American MIC is sometimes
I never forgot it. Lockheed alone has ayy lmao tech.
Literally.
The UK took less than 48 hours to rig HARM on vulcan bombers in the Falklands War. In the same weekend we created a probe and drouge refueling system for C-130 at a time when it had never been done before on that aircaft.
Based
I love the MIC
Rent free LMAO
Shows the superiority and adaptability of Western hardware :^)
Wunderwaffe will save us!
Now when are hohol aircraft going to actually enter a combat zone?
When are the Russians ? 6 fricking months and no air superiority for russia is lulzy af m8, literally 3rd world tier.
Why bother, slaughtering hohols w dumb party is working fine.
Here's hoping ukraine takes out another airfield tonight - though it's not as if Russia's using their planes anyway lol
Bussya tactically feinting their strike craft back to the mainland
>is working fine.
Is this why Russia lost more territory than they gained in the last 5 months?
damn, I missed this epic post. Only a few hours old.
A nice story but no one gives a frick in the major cities and the villages have always been backwater shitholes. Putin will send everyone to the meatgrinder to achieve nothing then get some slithers of Donbas for his troubles because the EU sold themselves to him decades ago.
The absolute irony of a vatnik saying this when your entire air doctrine is to fire unguided / barely guided crap at standoff distance
Soon. Gotta make sure the big threats are gone.
A-10 Sturmovik, what a fricking timeline
>A-10s
>In the air around all those poorly defended Russian convoys
I can already see the webms.
The A-10s finally getting to BRRRRRRT Russian columns pleases the machine spirits of the airplanes. It'd be like a Tomcat full of AIM-54s getting to splash a squadron of nuclear bombers, or a Chinaman dying in a horrible industrial accident.
>Chinaman dying in a horrible industrial accident.
Those are no accident, friend. Only hungry Machine Spirits accepting the organic sacrifice.
>Those are no accident, friend. Only hungry Machine Spirits accepting the organic sacrifice.
Dark Mechanicum detected. Exterminatus purge of the continent of North America immediately, in the name of the Omnissiah!
>They were like monkeys with the last banana on earth
>design aircraft for specific purpose of destroy supply lines
>the largest Russian supply line in Ukraine is backed up and sitting there, just ready to be destroyed
>we do not utilize this aircraft to accomplish the very mission it was constructed for
Would A-10's strafing that convoy have ended the war early? Can't say, but morale would have dropped lower than it did when the USSR collapsed.
>Strafing.
I don't understand why homosexuals are still on about this when things like Sensor Fused Weapon exist.
The A-10 is a plane wrapped around a 30mm cannon. It is born to strafe tanks and supply columns. The sensor fusion shit is a side effect.
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRT
>getting within SHORAD range in a slow, non-stealthy target
lurk more, teenagers. SFWanon was correct.
It was a 40km road of trucks. Use a gun, not missiles, that'd be such a waste on such a long line just sitting there. You don't even need airplanes, just helicopters have the caliber to waste all those trucks.
Once you've been sufficiently SEADed. With your aircraft having to hide deep in Russia proper now your air-to-air options are limited, too. 🙂
>a functioning anti-radiation missile is a wonderweapon to the Russian mind
Absolutely. The average russian probably also thinks losing most of your airborne forces in a few months is just standard practice for modern armies
Plausible since we have people that think
>50% losses is getting off easy
It unironically is. Dont forget their own equivalent had to have seeker electronics replaced to go against specific radar.
So before the mission you would have to chhose if you want a seeker that will target HAWK, or Roland or Patriot, else, and then install specific electronic package that would allow the missile to target it.
Compared to this HARM is literal star trek lewel magitech
Let's see what else the krokodil-ridden vatnik mind considers a wonder weapon
>a man-portable fire and forget ATGM
>a basic b***h lightweight howitzer
>near obsolete guided rockets from a lightweight MLRS
Imagine being in awe at all this and still thinking you're the second military in the world because you have mountains of rusty Soviet shit.
Major James Harding. 101 missions FAC missions over North Vietnam flying a Cessna O-1 Bird Dog.
There's not a single Russian pilot who is even in his galaxy for having sheer skill and balls.
What if you put Davey Crockets on a Cessna? You got a tactical nuclear nightmare flying the skies
Isn't this a plot point in the Honeypot Diaries?
How did he not died? NV was bkanketed in AAA.
A combination of absolute skill and luck considering it was possible to down an O-1 with a rifle. He later flew a second tour flying an A-1 Skyraider. He was downed in 1972 and shot dead four NVA on the ground with a .38 pistol and AK-47 while waiting to be picked up. In total he flew 596 missions.
You're a sad, pathetic, alcoholic incel who posts the exact same shit in every fricking thread. Get on a livestream and have a nice day.
You realize Russians outlets have already confirmed HARM strikes?
>Ukrainian SU-27 over pokrovsk today
>literally flying over Donbas
that comes after the HARMing, not during
Russian su-25 firing unguided rockets in an arc to avoid getting anywhere near the combat area isn't that great either.
Russia lost over 24 su-35. You need to shut the frick up because you're embarrassing yourself.
>when are hohol aircraft going to actually enter a combat zone?
February 24, 2022
>bragging about not being able to establish air superiority over a country that borders you and with 1/100th of the assets
third world shithole does not even begin to apply to your homosexual armed forces. Literally the biggest joke in history.
Russia whined about HARM wreckage in their exploded AD sites.
>American hardware from the 1980s are wunderwaffe to the Russians
lol. lmao. kek, even.
Told you Black folk.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending Mig-29 spare parts(hint hint) AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>Their service life was extended up to 4000 flight hour or until 2028. In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
Thanks for the info
Does that not also imply AMRAAM being supplied if you can also bolt LAU-129 on them ?
Ukies have a severe disadvantage when it comes to not having fox3's, then again they probably lack the training with them, unless lock-shoot-wait till pitbull-turn cold works fine as a strategy
I'm no expert, but from my understanding, no. The AMRAAM needs to communicate with on-board systems much more than the AGM-88 HARM. The key to the HARM is it can be programmed on the ground to fly to an area by GPS, and once there use terminal guidance to find the radar emission source. This is done by ISR assets doing the identifying, targeting, and tracking.
If they can rig a screen, computer and pylon adapters to the migs, this opens up a lot of weapons options.
It sounds complex, and in regular procurement it is, but when the context is emergency, and you can ask the best engineers who work on these, things can move fast.
Also there are US Rivet Joints and Global Hawks patrolling all around Ukraine. Even with only limited HARM modes available, the spook planes can guide the migs to shoot in the right places at the right times.
One thing to consider: AWACS can guide AMRAAM. So with an add-on box to set the missile up it could be possible.
You don't need radar to fire HARM. Missile seeker head itself can act as a sensor.
Or Maverick. Older but bigger boom.
>Or Maverick. Older but bigger boom.
What about a Harpoon with a Maverick seeker and new wings?
>The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here
But anon, no NATO planes made it to Ukraine. That would be a careless escalation.
xD Keep thinking that way 😀
This leaves open the possibility of air launched Harpoons and SLAM-ERs as well.
I want this Mig-29 variant replicated in DCS asap.
Isn't someone making a full-fidelity MiG-29A? I can't remember who.
Hope it makes it in.
>They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems,
That's is just sexy, they ripped out all that soviet shit "electronics" and put in some real men's western high-end stuff.
The electronics upgrade/hacking/mod geek inside me has his hand in his pants when I read stuff like this.
The second you realise the rushits and chinksects copied the 1553 bus in order to use western weapons in case of landing on a western airbase and there's only western ammo lying around and waiting to be used.....
More likely leave the existing wiring, and run the new cables next it it.
Where do you get this kind of info? what are your sources in general
Reminder that the US operates their own fleet of MiG-29s, so sending them parts and a tutorial book isn't out of the realm.
>fleet
>4 planes
>He doesn't know
t.knower
Would love to see SBDs integrated at well. 100km+ range from high altitude. Should be able to dab on Russian positions for cheap.
>UAF
>high altitude
S-400 is a meme but it's not going to struggle to slap a MiG 29 that climbs to 40,000 feet from 200+km away
If that were the case then all the HARM equipped MiG-29s would be getting slapped too. Since to get 100+km out of HARM you're going to need to be flying a high altitudes.
Also S-400s can't even stop a six pack of basic b***h m30s lmao
Russians have minimal capability to engage 100km+ outside their front lines and their air defense degrades daily.
>If that were the case then all the HARM equipped MiG-29s would be getting slapped too
The speculation I've seen is that they use the pre-planned mission mode so the HARM doesn't need to talk to the MiG 29 RWR, which would also mean over the horizon strikes the S-400 can't counter
>Ukies might have access to some degree of BVR capability now
This keeps getting better.
We need to ramp that up. With BVR, Ukrainians can glass Russians easily.
This is not what BVR is, moron. The MiG-29 has always had BVR capability, any old SARH AA missile counts as that.
I think the HARM also has a memory system meaning turning off the radar won’t work either.
They’re essentially clearing the way for ATACMS.
The use of HARMs has nothing to do with using ATACMS.
S-400, Pantsir, and Tor are all supposed to be capable against ATACMS. Destroying them means more missiles get through for a given volley.
Russian air defenses have proven incapable of doing anything other than firing at drones and aircraft, and even then, only sometimes. They've never one demstrated they can intercept a ballistic missile.
What killing radars does do is let Ukrainian aircraft get closer to the front or beyond it, which functionally extends the range of their weapons and what they can strike at. That's a far more important benefit than the purely theoretical threat Russian air defenses pose to Ukrainian launched missiles.
They intercept Tochka U missiles, which are a hypersonic short range ballistic missile. They however still occasionally get through Russian SAM systems and cause hilariously massive ammunition explosions.
Imagine if none got intercepted.
Pic related: ammo explosion deep in Luhansk on 07/12 by Ukrainian Tochka.
>over the horizon strikes the S-400 can't counter
To get 100km out of a HARM you need to lob it from high altitude at a decent speed.
It could be possible if the Ukies are getting detailed advice from the USAF.
They flew a high-altitude sortie in Kherson two days ago.
>inb4 "What is airdefense doing?"
If it climbs up, shoots and split-s's away immediately at 100+km, there is no missile system in the world that is not gonna struggle to hit it.
Where are those dumb c**ts who supposedly had "expierience" in the field and were calling everyone moronic for thinking that this could be the case?
>What kind of world are we living in?
A world in which the Nation of Russia will soon be history. (and that's a good thing)
A wonderful world anon
1980s US missiles launched from1980s ex-Soviet aircraft raping 2022 Russian air defenses ... Putin may nuke himself out of sheer humiliation.
Everything is possible when you control Western media, men can be women, women can be men, all races are equal and it was confirmed by US sources that the HARM has been integrated with the MIG-29.
The fricking state of you
And when Russian media say so, a long defunct islamist terror cell suddenly reappears on Crimea to wreak havoc instead of admitting it's the country you're waging a "non-war" on.
It's quite ironic how the west embraces homosexualry and still has fewer HIV cases amongst its population than russia
I can't wait for the gnashing of teeth there's gonna be when Israel joins the EU next year
Ugh I wish. They have a lot of gas too.
>control
>literally thousands of western media companies and organisations
they can't understand the concept of free press
What's exactly surprising about HARM being integrated with MIGs?
A number of NATO Air Forces use these planes and equipping them with NATO tech is cheaper than buying new planes
>buys or subverts most western media
>complains it's still not biased enough in your favor
The absolute state of Russians' victimhood complex.
the mind of a racist
Russia isnt even a regional power, something Chennel 1 wont tell you.
>men can be women, women can be men, all races are equal
Everything except Russia being anything but a third rate power lol
It's highly likely that the HARMs are pretargeted via GPS (likely why we've seen Ukraine probing Crimean air defenses) and merely using the MIGs as a slingshot to increase their range. It's very unlikely that they're integrated with the sensor suits available to western air frames.
They don't need to be. They can home on detection after they've already been launched.
Holy shit, you're dumb. What's the point of using a HARM missile if they're using GPS targeting?
I guess you don't understand the capability of the HARM missile system.
You mark where the site might be in Pre Briefed mode. Depending on the HARM that would involve GPS data or INS data.
Have you read the thread? HARM is capable of using GPS targeting to automatically target a location then, once it gets there, hunt for radar signals. That's why they can launch them from these piece of shit MiGs that don't have any of the internal suite that western planes do. Is it as good as an F-35 hunting radar with HARM? No, but it's a hell of a lot better than flinging artillery or tochkas at every suspected BUK.
Peak Dunning-Kruger.
How are you going to say someone doesnt understand the capabilities when you dont you fricking moron. GPS to get the missile somewhere then the radar kicks on and hunts radiation.
It's possible with the right mounting they could basically use a new MFD bolted to the wienerpit linked up with the HARM so it can use its HARM As a Sensor (HAS) mode to pick targets. Given they've seemingly been able to hit both larger sites and smaller SHORADs then I think they have this functionality on their MiG29s.
>Germany, please massively improve the effectiveness of your military.
>t. France
dude, I don't even know at this point. Every month feels like we've jumped to a new timeline.
Ironic, isn't it? Russian-designed military equipment will survive....in the hands of its arch-nemesis, lol.
>all of these except the women are probably literally dog shit right now
>look! a black man supports Ukraine! Russia doesn't have tho-ACK!
Communists of any creed should be killed. I am a moderate.
I'm pretty sure you post more about the gays than they gays do themselves
someone will be moronic enough to fall for this bait
Still waiting on those sold HIMARS to supposedly show up. Maybe they'll show them next month?
>[Deleted]
Which missiles might have they gotten other than HARMS?
WWIII plz.
>Osint
Is there a press release? What if this is just what Belling cat and the Atlantic Council want us to think.
Nothing official specifically about MiG-29s, I think.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3134467/additional-defensive-weapons-to-be-shipped-to-ukraine-official-says/
Ok everyone just letting you know Ukraine has now won the war. The HARM missiles and himars have worked and ukraine is now 20km from moscow.
We did it PrepHole!
I hate reporters, I just want to know if they have it linked to the MFDs / RWR for targeting info or if they are just pitbulling them in and the reporters don't know enough about the subject they are reporting to even ask that.
why are the canards so far back and so large?
It all fits together.
>the HARM missiles to delete russian aa capabilities
>azerbaijan giving 32 QFAB 250 LG bombs to ukraine.
>ukraine recently testing russian aa capabilities on crimea and specifically near the kerch bridge.
just connect the dots.
>QFAB 250 LG
a PGM / laser guided bomb ?
if the Ukrainians manage to QFAB the bridge, this will be the biggest loss of sides since the beginning of this war
The only thing that could top the bridge going down would be a follow up attack wiping out Sevastopol and the whole Black Sea fleet, thus mooting everything Russia has done in/to Ukraine since the USSR broke up... and without the Black Sea fleet, Assad's supply lines vanish.
>a follow up attack wiping out Sevastopol and the whole Black Sea fleet
Real-life Operation Rough Seas when?
Much more likely you'll see a Operation Hunting Hawk first unless the remaining Russian air force gets HIMARS.
>without the Black Sea fleet, Assad's supply lines vanish.
Isn't that already the case with Turkey blocking the straits? Though I guess they let "civilian" traffic through
>using fricking azeri bombs to wreck the bridge
insult to injury
its basically soviet era bomb with turkish-aze laser kit
>Ukraine's MIG-29's confirmed to be firing AGM-88 HARM's
What does this mean? How significant is this?
It's the first official confirmation that HARM had been made to work on MiG-29s and they were acting as its launch platform. That's all been speculatory up until this point, we knew they were using them we just didn't know how.
If these migs are modified for NATO missiles, this opens up a huge arsenal of western weapons.
HARMS have their own seeker that's intependant from the aircraft's radar. Same as french Exocets. They could probably slap a Maverick on them but i think that's as far as it can go.
Hellfire when?
>when
Since July, at least.
Dreams vanish upon wakening.
>Russia getting their shit pushed in despite 70+% of NATO supplies being destroyed crossing the border or sold on black markets
I don't think you understand how much worse that makes you orcs look.
Has a single shipment of weapons actually ever been intercepted? I've seen zero losses outside combat zones to date.
Believe me, we'd know if one of them was because we would never see the end of it from vatniks and /chug/.
not crossing the border, they're terrified of hitting non-uke clay. any further inland the stuff would be moving to fast and their intel and decision making too slow to intercept it.
And Russia still didn't steamroll Ukraine. Vatniks are pathetic.
no one mention how cool that pattern is
post more cool patterns
I still don't know what a HARM does.
Locks on to radar sources, used for taking out SAM sites and radar stations
Interesting. Thank you for explaining it to me.
it harms the enemy
are we adding HARM to the list?
Literally none of this is Wonderwaffen, vatBlack person. This is all standard equipment for real countries.
>regular shit that has existed for decades
alright Ivanon
>dude its just normal shit
>but myself, the normies on social media, and every mainstream media company will talk about them nonstop for an entire month before moving on to the next thing
>no we're not consoomers
it's all in your head, vatbro. we're just enjoying the show
>two planes left completely intact
nice "show" hohol
/k/ope, HATOtrannies
Sorry that you are blind as well as stupid.
>USA invades Mexico
>Half a year later, after the US military gets bogged down in bloody trench warfare around Monterrey, Mexico manages to destroy 9 US aircraft at an airbase in Arizona
>hahaha two planes still intact mexico btfo
Russia's military is an absolute joke, I'd fricking kill myself if my country managed to suffer something this embarrassing. Maybe if Russia was as quick on its air defence as it is at getting bitter frick-ups like you to shill for them online there'd be somewhere safe in Crimea to store ammunition.
is mexico receiving hundreds of billions of military aid from the rest of the planet in this scenario?
>hundreds of billions of military aid
Cite an itemized list of these hundreds of billions.
That means frick all. Russia should have wrapped it all up completely in 10 days tops.
America would just sink it.
>hundreds of billions
I don't think it's even topped 80 billion across all countries yet.
it's in the region of 30 billion apparently
actually it makes even less sense; you'd think East Germans of all people would know exactly how fricked up the USSR was. The Ukrainians, Poles and East Europeans seem perfectly aware.
The only explanation is that krauts are tards and won't give a shit until the Red Army is at the Oder
that's because the Malaysians paid the huge upfront costs involved to rip out the Russian avionics and put in French avionics in the first place, like the utter morons they are
Because East Germany bordered the west, the USSR used it as a "shopping window" and propped it up the most. Living standards in the GDR were among the highest in the USSR because of that.
>among the highest in the USSR
All those brutalist buildings, empty groceries, frickin Trabants... AITOO who remembers?
just imagine how much worse the rest was
And that was considered good by USSR "standards"
Not to mention how the place was so riddled with spies and monitoring that literally everyone was an informant or being informed on.
Literally doesn't matter. In that scenario Russia could hand their entire GDP over to Mexico as an oversized novelty check but the war would be over before Mexico got it cashed.
>>two planes left completely intact
One of the aircraft has damage to its port wing.
>NOOOO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT SHUT IT DOWN RUSSIA IS WINNING
>April… Turkish drone.
>June… Stugna-P
I can’t tell what’s bait anymore.
That's the trick, none of it is bait.
>we
>M777
>after arriving outperforms all Russian artillery, constantly destroys Russian arty, in single pontoooning incident destroys 70 pieces of Russian heavy equipment
>Javelin
>shuts down Russian tactic of tank rushing on open planes
>Stugna-P
>destroys Russian helis
>Turkish Drones
>total costs around 20 million dollars - destroys SAMs, trucks, helis, attack boats and missile cruiser total worth of around 2 billion dollars
>Himars
>shuts down Russian advances by constantly blowing up all their ammo dumps and bridges
>HARM
>makes Russian AA piss and shit itself over fear to turn on
yes
You stupid fricking moron, nobody was claiming that these things would end shit. Hell, if anything, everyone was actually surprised at just how effective they were. Who could've thought that like eight missile trucks could single-handedly stall an entire front?
Also the Stugna-P is literally just a heavy ATGM of Ukrainian make. Again, nothing special, but the fact that it has shot down multiple helicopters is unendingly funny.
i still dont believe it. The harm isnt plug and play with russian hardware. even if they could mount it and give it a launch signal theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems. I think theres some unmarked tonados that were recently retired in from germany or the UK that are flying around doinking shit
>theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems
Don't have to. AGM-88 is more systems agnostic than that. Part of the reason was the need for backwards compatibility at the time of its initial development.
>they ripped out all that soviet shit "electronics"
Probably not
Lol
Expected, but still giggle worthy
>The harm isnt plug and play with russian hardware.
That's why they installed US MIL-STD-1553 data bus wiring.
>even if they could mount it and give it a launch signal theres no way to integrate it into the migs rwr or avionics systems.
Don't need to when using the AMG-88 HARM is PB mode. You just need ISR assets to feed it GPS coordinates in the ground, and be able to send a launch signal to it in the air. It will launch, go to the programmed GPS coordinates, and then the seeker will start to hunt for radar emissions to home in on. Pre-Briefed (PB) does not rely on a lock-before-launch process, it loads a pre-planned target location from the aircraft into the missile and fires it "blind" once kinematically in range. The hope is that the target will be active for the seeker to acquire once in the terminal phase. Later variants with GPS can accurately hit the pre-defined coordinates, even if that doesn't happen. PB mode can be used to shoot the AGM-88 without needing the seeker to talk to the platform, like in Target-Of-Opportunity (TOO) mode. Or without needing the platform's RWR/ESM to "point" the seeker in the direction of the emissions, like in Self-Protect (SP) mode.
>That's why they installed US MIL-STD-1553 data bus wiring
>This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done
Speculation.
Another possibility is this: the HARM is simply being fired in "target of opportunity" aka "unknown" mode. The Mig29 could be detecting the Russian radar with its own Russian RWR, and firing off the HARM to find it using its own seeker. Not the most accurate of methods but should be possible with the least modification.
Yet another possibility: the UAF operates a number of Mig29s upgraded with Israeli electronics for NATO interoperability. *IF* those upgrades are NATO-compatible, as one would expect of Israeli electronics, adding HARM would be much easier.
>Speculation.
So, you're going to attribute my speculation on adapting the LAU-118/A missile launcher to the Mig-29's pylon - which they would have to do - to the sourced claim of Polish Mig-29's with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring installed? israelites really did inherit the lying from their vatnig genes, didn't they?
>The Mig29 could be detecting the Russian radar with its own Russian RWR, and firing off the HARM to find it using its own seeker.
Black person, the RWR would have to talk to the missile and cue the seeker to the azimuth it is detecting the emissions from. I just told you the only way it would work: A plane with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring to send the launch signal to the AGM-88 HARM using Per Brief mode and off-board ISR GPS targeting data loaded into the HARM on the ground before take-off. No other way.
>UAF operates a number of Mig29s upgraded with Israeli electronics for NATO interoperability.
Never happened. israelites wanted $40mil/plane for the upgrades, or $440mil for 11 upgraded Mig-29s.
>So, you're going to attribute my speculation
Yes. Because it's still speculative that they are flying Polish Migs, or that this is the method they adopted. Why do you speak as if it is something that you know for sure they did?
>the RWR would have to talk to the missile and cue the seeker to the azimuth it is detecting the emissions from
Not necessarily.
>the only way it would work: A plane with MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring to send the launch signal to the AGM-88 HARM using Per Brief mode and off-board ISR GPS targeting data loaded into the HARM on the ground before take-off. No other way
Mmm, you're oh so very sure.
HARM-as-seeker mode doesn't necessarily require cueing from a plane's RWR. All that is needed is for the pilot to point it at the bearing of the target radar.
>Never happened
My mistake then.
>Because it's still speculative that they are flying Polish Migs, or that this is the method they adopted.
Either they got the Polish Mig-29's Poland offered to them in March, or they had US's help installing MIL-STD-1553B data bus wiring into their Migs.
>Why do you speak as if it is something that you know for sure they did?
It's literally the only way for this to be done.
>Mmm, you're oh so very sure.
>HARM-as-seeker mode doesn't necessarily require cueing from a plane's RWR. All that is needed is for the pilot to point it at the bearing of the target radar.
You read Carlo Kopp, and become an expert, now, did you? LMAO.
>Carlo Kopp
Who?
>It's literally the only way for this to be done.
And you know this, how?
Not that guy but if you don't know Carlo Kopp and his writings you can't be taken seriously in this thread
>google
Oh the Aussie Air Power website? It sounds legit but I don't know how detailed or up to date the info is.
None of us are credible, we're all shitposting anons on a Mongolian throat singing imageboard. Take it or leave it, I don't care either way. But I certainly wouldn't put my trust in someone who says
>IT MUST BE DONE LIKE THIS
>THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY!
On the strength of what little osint is currently known
>On the strength of what little osint is currently known
Unless they're flying US planes, it is the only way. Maybe the US donated some of our Mig-29s they upgraded, or Poland donated theirs, or Ukraine upgraded their own. Either way, the method that gives them the ability to launch AGM-88 HARMS from them is, still, the same.
Nah
HARM doesn't aĺways need a radar to work.
They could even have kludged up an instrument panel of some kind in the wienerpit for manual input and launch.
UAF had Mig29S and some domestic variant, the MU1 or something like that. Only the MU2 is air to ground capable with Russian weapons, but it's a literal unicorn - there's only one such airframe operational, as far as anyone knows. The S variant does have earlier Russian electronics.
yeah i cant find anything on what is actually upgraded on them only that they can fire kab 500 now
>HARM doesn't aĺways need a radar to work.
I know.
>UAF had Mig29S and some domestic variant, the MU1 or something like that.
Correct, the MU1 is equipped with R-27ER1 and R-27ET1 Ukrainian produced missiles.
>Carlo Kopp
Don't play stupid, Igor.
>And you know this, how?
Because I'm not moronic. Maybe I work with said systems?
>I work with said systems?
Sure you do
And I'm the Ghost of Kyiv
Damn, nice to finally meet you. Heard a lot of good things. How did you keep getting away with it?
based based based based based
GET FRICKED SOVIET SCUM
ok after 2 days spending searching what is going on with that id call bullshit on this
1)the sources are "u.s officials" first red flag
2)apparently according to those "sources" it happened in 2 months second red flag
i wont bore you with too much details but
there is absolutely no way usa somehow managed to hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29 found a competent programmer from the russian arm industry to decipher the obfuscation
write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly
and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
in comparison the greeks contracted rosoboronexport 3 greek universities and 3 israeli universities in order to write an obfuscation api to make the s300 work with the rest of their radar complexes
it took them 3 fricking years even having the russians there
usa has supercomputers in case you dont know anon..
>supercomputers
ok maybe you dont know shit about technology and i dont blame you you are on /k/ afterall
here it goes
984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936
that number right here is what you need to crack for a simple 4 digit code for AES 256
now take that number and add it to the power of 8 (again assuming russians have a 4 digit code)
the time needed even for the latest exascale is beyond the time earth has as a planet to live by
(rough calc is approx 7 billion years)
its simply not possible what so ever for this to have happened unless its a hack that works standalone which again i call bs given how sensors need the onboard computer to decipher the data and clear the noise
>assuming russians have a 4 digit code
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if they're running actual Enigma
If you take a Mig 29's electronics, it's very well likely that it's nothing the US hasn't seen before and dealt with.
im ASSUMING that the russians upgraded their mcm on their planes after usa managed to get some su 27s and mig 29s
that is just my assumption but it could very well be that they didnt do shit and this is totally legit
Gee, I wonder which former USSR vassal state currently fighting an all-out war against the Russians and who happens to manufacture Mig weapons and parts and thus would definitely have root access to the system could help the US mod the Migs. Rings a bell but I really can't put my finger on it.
>root access
anon please russia is known for not giving tech transfer
not even belarus has any sort of access
The US has had access to Germany's Mig-29's since the fall of the USSR, and bought 21 Mig-29's from Moldova in 1997. They've had more than enough time to probe every inch of the shitbox. Not to mention upgrading the Germany/Polish Migs with NATO standard equipment and wiring.
>Under an agreement finalized on October 10, the United States acquired 14 MiG 29Cs, described by U.S. officials as wired to permit delivery of nuclear weapons, six MiG 29As, one MiG 29B, 500 air to air missiles and all the spare parts and diagnostic equipment present at the Moldovan air base where the aircraft were stationed.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-10/press-releases/us-buys-moldovan-aircraft-prevent-acquisition-iran
im sure that what ukraine has is quite a bit more modern anon
>im sure that what ukraine has is quite a bit more modern anon
How so? Russia themselves aren't much different, and Ukraine is very poor.
they had As which correct me if im wrong it was basicly a flyable A/A variant that had almost jack shit on it no rwr no ecm no nothing same as with the early models of su 24s
>to hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29
They didn't have to. The MiGs US has access to come with source code access even if the Russians encrypted it and never gave the keys to them, it's been 30+ fricking years to buy someone. And most likely you don't need any of this to just get a HARM work, run a parallel connection to one of the newfangled computers running the upgrade MFDs in the wienerpit.
>found a competent programmer from the russian arm industry to decipher the obfuscation
lol
>write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly
what, even?
>and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
no, 30+ years.
yes i bet the mig 29A usa had is just the same as ukraines because why not
jesus why do you even reply they literally have a different computer since the G stay on topic
>they literally have a different computer since the G
Proof?
new radar
HARM doesn't need to talk to a radar.
you just revealed your own ignorance
No, you did.
what the frick did I read?
It's like you strung together unrelated buzzwords to demonstrate a technical impossibility
>from Cyrillic
None of it is in Cyrilic.
>the Greeks
Yeah, the Greeks. With Russian "help". It's a small miracle they did it at all.
And did you think this coupling is something that was done in 2 months and not years ago, considering for how long there have been NATO members using MiGs?
>hack an aes 1024 hash from a mig 29
As a software engineer, that's a total word soup, lol'd, but I guess you mean get access to the (incredibly old and shitty) mission computer. I'm pretty sure those old steam gauge MiG-29s don't even have a computer system like you would think of it.
>write an api from cyrillic to engines to assembly
>and somehow make it work in just 2 months...
Some reverse engineering, oh noes! If you got the best engineers from US weapon industry, you'd be surprised how crafty they are. Hardware hacking, reverse engineering assembly code... they do all that.
Anyway, there is no need whatsoever to integrate the HARM to MiG-29's native systems. You could totally do a separate wiring to an add-on box you slapped on in the wienerpit. Wouldn't surprise me if they even manged to rig a western mission computer with a display to configure more advanced features of the missile.
A strange, real world OP
And the range of the harm vs s-300/s-400? Or do i need to run a simulation?
>Or do i need to run a simulation?
Does your scenario still stand, homosexual?
>tfw your country will never have flankers with western upgrades