Ukraine would win the war with just a squadron of these

Actually any stealth bomber would do.
Do we still have any to give them?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >strategic bombing works
    Open a book, you still need to fight street to street after the factories are gone, see WW2.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Strategic bombing doesn't win defensive wars
      If you break the enemy's ability to send anything more than starving peasants on foot at you, you've won the war.
      Maybe if you want to conquer their shithole, those peasants can be a threat, but if you just want them to frick off, then knocking out their industry is cash money.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how are you going to patrol a 1500km long front with 12 planes? let alone destroy all important targets

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They would just go in undetected and bomb kerch bridge and the oil refineries.

      Russia would surrender in a month. There's literally nothing they can do to stop a stealth bomber

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they can detect them just like the serbs did. then all you need is send su27s there. the infrared search and track system of the su27 will spot the nighthawks and then its a turkeyshoot.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Serbs detected them because they used an old low-frequency radar which is unironically better against stealth planes.
          The pilot always flew the same route, there is a greater radar signature with open bomb bays and the operator was very competent.
          I would take a while for Russia to deploy SA-2 and SA-3 systems since they don't use them anymore. Funny enough, Ukraine actively uses the SA-3 to this day.
          Training for these SAM crews would take a long time while there is little they could do against F-16s.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there is a greater radar signature with open bomb bays
            Vega-31 was coming back from the mission. It didn't open the bay doors within range of the P-18 radar.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Either way it increases the signature.
              Multiple things had to happen for the Serbs to score this hit.
              Russia would fumble hard against any stealth plane for at least 6 months.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Serbs only detected the F-117 when it's bomb bays were open. By the time the Su-27s are in the air the oil refinery is on fire and the F-117 is long gone.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is just an often repeated lie.

            >there is a greater radar signature with open bomb bays
            Vega-31 was coming back from the mission. It didn't open the bay doors within range of the P-18 radar.

            The bomb bays were opened over the target. This only takes a few seconds. Vega-31's mission was complete and was returning home.
            The Serbian defenses did not detect the F-117 until it came within 23km.
            It's important to remember that the P-18 acquisition target for the S-75M has a range of 250km and the P-15 for the S-125 has a 150km range.
            Despite of the P-18's greater reach, it could only detect the F-117 at less than a tenth of its range. It could not have seen the F-117 opening the bay doors and even if it did, it wouldn't have disclosed the egress route picked by the mission planners.
            It was sheer luck that the battery at Simanovci had a P-18, had not been bombed like Progar, and wasn't out of range like Boždarevac.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the nighthawk will still light up on any infrared detector. the interceptors dont need a radar guidance lock they just need to know the approximate location.

              the serbs had no interceptors in the air with infrared search and track devices but the russians have. once a su27 has the f117 on infrared its game over for the f117, its completely helpless.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The F-117 Nighthawk has extensive IR reduction features. The most famous being the flattened exhaust, similar to this one being ground tested in a F-84.
                To know the aproxímate location, the F-117 would have to fly within roughly 20km of an "anti-stealth" meme radar, and stick around for a scrambled fighter to get there.
                Timing F-117 strikes with drone attacks would keep radar operators and scrambled fighters busy. Even if the F-117s were used in standalone, just flying the Su-27s all night to scan the skies would quickly rack up flight hours on airframes and the notoriously short-lived engines. The attrition from wear and tear would surpass the losses by SAM or air base drone attack after a few months.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they can detect them just like the serbs did

          Cool, so to confirm how many sorties were run and how many did the serbs shoot down an F-117? Now that you have your answer, go ahead and explain how the frick Russia is going to do fricking dick about it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a weapons lock radar lock and simple detection radar lock are 2 completely different things. serbs could only detect the nighthawk but not get a weapons lock, they then jerry rigged their search radar to function as a guidance radar.

            the russians wouldnt need to do this. they could just tell their fighter jets go to area X, there are multiple targets there and once there the fighter jets would see the night hawks on their infrared sensors and could engage them with their gun or their vympel r37 infrared homing missiles. there is literally nothing a f117 could do about this.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they then jerry rigged their search radar to function as a guidance radar.
              Not true. They used a P-18 Spoon Rest radar as the search radar from an older S-75M system and the SNR-125 Low Blow fire control radar. The P-18 picked up the F-117 from further away, which alerted the crew. They then attempted several locks with the SNR-125, and the third lock worked.
              As you can see on pic related the SNR-125 has several components, UV-10 is the narrow beam 1.5 degree elliptical search, while the UV-11 and UV-12 are the angled scan antennas that track the target and missiles for LORO guidance.
              Neither the Spoon Rest or P-15 Flat Face could guide S-125 missiles on their own.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you still need to fight street to street after the factories are gone, see WW2
      In WW2 you needed to bomb an entire fricking city to land one bomb in the roof of a factory, which would get repaired and get back to work two days later.

      If 1960s Soviet SAM can shoot them down while being operated by the US at peak 9/11 strength then Russian S400 will be able to as well after the over worked Ukrainian pilot makes a mistake on his 78th sortie.

      >1960s Soviet SAM can shoot them down
      At point blank range. It was extreme luck that lead to the F-117 to fly through a path where it didn't leave the maximum fire control radar range but also didn't steer into the minimum engagement range.
      The P-18 acquisition radar detected the F-117 from 23km away.
      The SNR-125 fire control radar could not get a lock until 14km.
      Is there any indication the Big Bird radar would do better?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just firebomb the entire city, ezpz

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like using them in Wargame Red Dragon so I agree

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for me, its WARNO.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldnt do shit cause they still cant use US gear behind russian lines. Which is still total fricking bullshit that I cannot fathom

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Haven't there been some himars landing in Russia?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but that’s a recent exception that the USA allowed in response to Russia’s recent Kharkiv(?) offensive.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We should quit fricking around and nuke moscow already

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > shoulda
        > woulda
        > coulda

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If 1960s Soviet SAM can shoot them down while being operated by the US at peak 9/11 strength then Russian S400 will be able to as well after the over worked Ukrainian pilot makes a mistake on his 78th sortie.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only reason that happened is because the air force was taking the same route for bombing runs day after day.

      Yugos were able to concentrate sams on a very small area, which led to that f117 getting shot down.

      Not a single f117 was shit down after the war. Because they started mixing up the routes again

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > the air force was taking the same route for bombing runs day after day
        > day after day
        > bombing starts: 24 March 1999
        > F117 shot: 27 March 1999
        I'm so fricking sick of literal morons parroting their cope lines year after year.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Chinese embassy was actually radioing the serbs the flights in and out. The Serbs just set up a Pickett line of sam's and filled the air with lead when the Chinese said they wlare overhead. There was Chinese watching them take off radioing the embassy in Serbia.

          So we bombed the Chinese embassy. We didn't even bomb the f 117 crash site because "it was 30 years old at the time and had nothing to show"
          The f 117 came from the late 60s in design then made in the 70s the polished up for flight by 80s. By Serbia it was a generator aircraft

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > it was China all along
            > and we didn't need the F117 anyway
            every sentence is a different flavor of cope. holy shit, anon.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It was. It was from the ,60s.

              You can't just deny facts and insult people without seeming really homosexual or like a woman

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Serbs just set up a Pickett line of sam's and filled the air with lead when the Chinese said they wlare overhead
            Shut the frick up.
            There were three SAM batteries operating that night. Simanovci, Progar and Boždarevac. The Progar battery was hit and was the first SAM loss of the conflict. The Boždarevac battery was too far away from Dale Zelko's egress route.
            The Simanovci battery was on alert because there was an ongoing attack, and due to the egress route passing close by to that battery the P-18 radar picked up the F-117 at 23km.
            There was no picket line since only two batteries could have done the shootdown, and one was on the wrong place to do it. The Chinese weren't involved, stealth works thanks to the inverse square law which means that once close enough the signal to noise ratio becomes high enough to determinate something is airborne. The air wasn't filled with lead - two missiles were fired which is normal for interception and the first lost the lock while the second tracked well enough to detonate by proximity fuze.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Chinese absolutely involved and it's still funny to this day they deny this and put this kind of shit out. After we bombed the embassy radio transmissions from the area giving away the f 117 locations stopped.
              You forgot that part.

              Where are you actually getting your incomplete information from it's fascinating. Major sections omitted and other stuff added

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For everyone else

                At first everyone said it was an accident then everything came out including several books by the Chinese themselves once they got out of china. They were working with the Serbs. The trade was f 117 pieces for their stealth and the embassy was used by Serbs to radio in the attacks. American operatives after it was blown up showed the Chinese they knew.

                It's why nothing happened after besides diplomatic noises. It was called an accident on a map even though gps and the internet were invented and it was carried out by a b 2 bomber.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Chinese absolutely involved
                How?
                Were the Chinese using the S-600 radar or some shit? Maybe the S-700? Quantum radar? In 1999? May we see it?
                Stealth works through the inverse square law. The longer you have to reach to send a signal, the more signal loss. Then when that low signal has to bounce all the way back, it loses power even further.
                By reflecting and absorbing radar, the little signal that does return is so low that to pick it up your radar scope would be flooded by noise.
                The Serbs picked up the F-117 from near point blank range. How were the Chinese better positioned to see the F-117 and tell them about it?
                >After we bombed the embassy radio transmissions from the area giving away the f 117 locations stopped.
                F-117 "locations" never happened.
                During a night where there was no SEAD or jammer support, a F-117 flew right into range of a target acquisition radar.
                No other F-117 was shot down because threat of HARM forced SAM operators to reduce the number of attempts at tracking and jammers in the air flooded the radar scope with almost omnidirectional contacts.
                Even if you had Mao Zedong on the phone himself to tell on the capitalist F-117 pig dogs the Serb defenses wouldn't have been able to do shit with a blind acquisition radar.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't answering anymore of your questions whats wrong with you.
                I gave you an answer then asked a question

                You respond with thirdie question spasms rather than answer of state a point.

                Who the frick communicates like this. Why would I talk to you. All you are doing is throwing bitvh fits and asking questions after question on really easy to find information and acting like I should respond to your stupid shit.
                Get some debate skills or social skills holy shit
                State your FRICKING point not in question form
                Know basic information

                Wow so hard you jackass

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You won't answer questions because you have no clue what you're talking about and have ran out of cope.
                What answer? You're just repeating the same old internet lore. I've heard it all. Modified radars. The Chinese. Spies near Aviano air base. The bomb bay was stuck open. You have zero technical basis for your claims.
                You're the one repeating thirdie spasms. The bullshit fricking smekalka that will allow the third world to win over globohomo. No, the Chinese didn't have way to detect stealth aircraft, and neither did the Russians or the Serbs. You think that with glorious Eastern aid the thirdies will be able to rise up against the West - but no. It was luck. Pure luck.
                >Why would I talk to you
                I'm not asking you to talk to me, you're proposing a hypothesis and then refusing to back it up with factual data. This isn't for my benefit, but the audience's. When you can't back up your bullshit, people reading the thread will understand it's bullshit and stop propagating aviation fuddlore.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > the moron is confused by a question mark
                poor thing, its processor got overload. everyone is a "thirdie" now

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No other F-117 was shot down
                But there was another hit and damaged

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So the Serbs fired a gorillion missiles over the course of the war and only ever downed 1 nighthawk… which flew the same route day after day (24 25 26 27)… your problem with that??

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is a poor bomber and a poor stealth plane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have plenty of Nighthawks to give. Convincing the U.S. to give them up is the problem

      >the serb cries in pain as he strikes you

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Give
    Frick off and pay up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That comes after ukraine has been turned into a successful western style second and a 1/2 world country

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That comes after ukraine has been turned into a successful western style second and a 1/2 world country
        lol, no refunds!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Slopwars statue replaces bald commie
          Tankies really aren't doing so well nowadays, are they?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, you think we’re paying for all this? Russian oligarchs are paying with that 300 billion USD in zigger assets we seized.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought it was just about 10 billion of interest or whatever

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're all used as chink aggressors for A2A-training.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We don’t actually want to end the war. The goal for the west (and China) is to bleed Russia dry and cripple them for the next 100 years.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But we DO want to end the war, just not by points.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally this
      the point of this war isn't to kick the ziggers out of ukraine, rather we want to absolutely fricking destroy the zigger economy and put them through a century of humiliation just like we did with the goddamn chinks, the subhumans can't be a threat to the white man if they're too poor to afford food.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > we did with the goddamn chinks
        > we
        Who are those "we" you're talking about? (you) did nothing to the chinks. Last decades China only becomes stronger and bolder.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are still stuck in plague mode. Been that way 4 years. More than 6000 died of COVID despite what the ccp says.
          Anytime you hear shit from the ccp remember "6000 only dead of COVID in china"
          Meaning the ccp just makes shit up.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure they do lol lmao even

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AAAAAA I WANT A TAIWANESE GF FRICK AAAA

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sure they do lol lmao even
            Who is this Lmao you speak of? Is he a Chinese agent? Is he your handler?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Last decades China only becomes stronger and bolder.
          >Still uses old Russian designed aircraft for most of it's airforce, only now starting to update to reskinned versions that look like western counterparts
          >Has a housing crisis even worse than the leafs
          >Constantly putting down local protests over government frickups
          >Tried to into bioweapons, infected the whole planet (including themselves) and tanked their international reputation
          >Can't afford to equip their troops with body armor
          >Can't afford to give their troops fuel to cook with, have to use rocket fuel
          >ICBMs are mostly full of water as a result
          >Can't into satellite observation, have to use wacky WW1 tier observation baloons
          >Subs either break down or leak chemicals that kill everyone on board
          >Main exports are cheap garbage, subpar chip clones, and industrial accident videos
          >Still can't into quality steel production
          >Only actual allies are browns/alcoholics
          >Can't even invade one island
          >BUT, their diplomats sometimes make aggressive posts on social media and they have flashy parades
          China is a joke country that no one aside from boomers takes seriously.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't seem to be working very well. Russia's economy is doing fine, and their military is more capable than they were before not less.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Let the eternal grind on both sides destroy the Slav menace once and for all
      Thank God.

      That comes after ukraine has been turned into a successful western style second and a 1/2 world country

      >2nd and a half world
      Based and correct. I sometimes wonder if I’m the only one who remembers that shithole how it was before 10 billion shills descended upon this place. Not Russia-tier bad, but a corrupt as frick stinky Slav shithole nonetheless. I feel zero pity for them.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nope just radar ping and repattern the symbol aand voila you can see it

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian radars can see them now. Stealth is a meme.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible

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