What do you all make of this?
Is he right?
There are other sources but I'm to lazy to post them
Ukraine won't win war, Hungarian leader says
What do you all make of this?
Hungarian leadership doesn't have access to even half the Intel the US, NATO, or those in Ukraine have.
Plus their dictator likes to lick Putins salty balls.
What exactly is it that he says they should do then? Just capitulate? "Muh peace deal"? Just like Treaty of Trianon? God Hungarians must be the stupidest Europeans at the moment.
>cry about trianon all day
>my small bloated nation got carved up by a huge power in a peace deal
> be also hungary
>support russia in invading ukraine
>tell the ukrainians they should give up get carved up in a peace deal by russia
god they such fucking hypocrites
>support russia in invading ukraine
You're mistaken, Hungary support Ukraine and its territorial integrity.
>Hungarian leader says
Nobody doubts that Obran is a pro-russian schizo.
Yeah, right. That's why orban negotiated the partition of Ukraine with putin before the full-scale war. That's why they started to issue hungarian passports to those who live in Ukrainian Zakarpattya, and then, in 2015 (iirc ±a year) planned to annex it Crimea-style, but were scared shitless after sudden military exercises ,that involved like 3 times more troops and equipment than entire hungarian military and were conducted in the western part of Ukraine despite the ATO in the east.
You always have the Serbs.
I think the asshat should take his hands out of my back pocket.
He's a populist, he says nothing and means nothing, just virtue signal about peace because everyone likes peace and act like you're above it all.
>Why are you stalling our political alliances
>We are going to rape you for all your oil and gas when we take you over, you're next after Ukraine
>Hungary thinks they're both the same
>play le both sides
Cooperation is the current meta and they'd be more successful as a normal European country. The running thread there is that they have been on the losing team.
>be part of Team West
>population voted to join Team West on two occasions (NATO and EU)
>"NOOOOO LE WE MUST BE LE OF NEUTRALS!!!!"
This drawing is szar.
First Russia, then we can address the "Hungarian issue"
If Russia collapses there will be no Hungarian issue. Brussels will raise their eyebrow and Orban will understand everything
>play both sides
>"wtf both sides hate me now"
Probably should pick one
>Just capitulate? "Muh peace deal"?
never join nato.
demilitarize. have just a police force.
recognize crimea as russian.
either forfeit the other regions or grant them autonomy.
in return the west and russia invest money in rebuilding it.
How about No
ukraine gets demolished.
this is what putin is doing.
he's wrecking ukraine.
>russia invest money
lol, Russia had the GDP of Italy before the war and has not really invested in Crimea or the Donbass except as gibs for connected people and propaganda.
Russia is a weak and poor country that needs lo learn their real place in the world. The West gave it a fair deal after 1991 and they've stabbed us in the back again and again. Now is payback time. They wanted to live by the sword? Then they die by the sword.
tough talk there. are you ukrainian?
because ukrainians are the ones getting killed in the trenches.
Exactly. They prefer to fight and risk death before being Moscow's slaves again. So did the chechens before they were betrayed by a paid traitor.
That should tell you all you need to know about this war.
Putin using Orban as his wannabe Mussolini makes a lot of sense. After all, the annexation of Belarus into Russia was part of its goal to restore the Russian Empire
how did the chechens fight to the death if they're incorporated into russia again?
on top of that, there are chechen fighters in ukraine.
>They prefer to fight and risk death before being Moscow's slaves again
how exactly are they moscow's slaves?
they were always getting cheap resources from russia, at a massive discount.
russia invested in their industry and created jobs.
what was moscow stealing from them?
Suck my dick vatnik/hungay
>Suck my dick vatnik/hungay
is this the best that the state department can come up with?
Go away, fucking pedophile vatnik.
Moscow chosen oligarchs were getting those. Average ukrainian never got any benefits from it
>Average ukrainian never got any benefits from it
they barely paid any bills regarding heat, gas, electricity.
>what was moscow stealing from them?
They wealth, their future, and their freedom to choose how to rule themselves.
Russia has been a parasite since the czars, a colonial power as bad or worse than any other western nation, but without giving anything of value in exchange.
Any eastern european country that was able to escape their influence and become closer to the West shows undeniable proof about how their prosperity has increased many times over once they're not parasited and sabotaged by Russia.
And that's the real reason of this war. Ukraine wanted to follow the example of Poland and other countries and become a better place, and the Russian criminal regime cannot allow that.
russia was injecting cheap resources and money into their economy, thus giving them a future.
>freedom to choose how to rule themselves
this is laughable.
the democractically elected leader of the country had to flee to russia.
now ukraine is a dictatorship and most parties are banned.
>Any eastern european country that was able to escape their influence and become closer to the West shows undeniable proof about how their prosperity has increased many times over
the only things that came in eastern europe in the last 30 years are malls, lgbt parades and nowadays migrants from nepal/india/pakistan.
Russians are funny.
We have cheap resources, now get lost moron
>now ukraine is a dictatorship and most parties are banned.
This is your brain on puccian pidoration propaganda.
>russia was injecting cheap resources and money into their economy, thus giving them a future.
bullshit, that's serfdom with extra steps. Specially when Ukraine has a lot of natural resources not exploited due to russian sabotage, or the russian greed to get their hand in ukrainian grain exports to black mail third world countries.
Ukraine doesn't need Russia at all.
>the democractically elected leader of the country had to flee to russia.
He did that before being deposed in absentia by unanimity of all parties, including his own. He was a traitor and a coward.
>now ukraine is a dictatorship and most parties are banned.
Ukraine has held free elections 3 times since 2014, and the only partie banned are pro-russian infiltrators and traitors. The current president didn't even spoke ukrainian and ran as a peace candidate.
>the only things that came in eastern europe in the last 30 years are malls, lgbt parades and nowadays migrants
Oh, what an horror. Welcome to civilization and prosperity, ungrateful idiot.
When Yanukovych became the president, (for the second time) he promised to keep the association treaty with EU, while retaining good relations with Russia. But it was impossible promise from the beginning. Because he immediately started to embezzle money, employ relatives, threaten prosperous companies to pay ransom to his family, or outright install his relatives as their administrators. Turkmenistan model.
this is how real justice looks like!
Rather dead than russian
> Verification not required.
The Russian “people” need to learn their place: in Hell. All Russians should be exterminated. Suffer not the vatnig to live.
You are not strong enough to make such demands
Literally pre-1939 Hitler demands. Basically leave Ukraine unable to defend its sovereignty. With a deal like this Russia gobbles up the remains of "neutral" Ukraine in a month.
So in short kurva anyád.
>weekly dose of Orban stupidity
More like Orban hopes they wont win so he wont look so stupid
NATO had to stoo sharing intel with hungary because russians have acces to literally every hungarian gov. computer. orban is a bigger puppet than lukashenko
This, it's been news for years now that they can't kick the FSB out of the foreign ministry's computer network. They just log in like they belong there.
>the IT crew has been selected through nepotism and is completely incompetent (completely plausible)
>there's a mole in the ministry (also completely plausible)
>the fucking foreign minister himself just deliberately surrenders the network to the Russians every fucking time (also completely plausible)
Option four, government work in Hungary pays like shit and skilled workers can get much better pay and quality of life in the private sector, especially abroad, so the only people working for the IT crew are the ones that no one else will hire
Orban has been suckling Putins balls since the beginning, this isn't new
Oh wow he did? What did the President of Lesotho say? I heard the press secretary of Luxemborg said that Russia will lose!
hungayrians crave russian semen more thsn s*rbs
it's really more orban himself. he must've had a few serbians in his lineage up the line.
I have it on good authority that a good portion of Hungary's government are Serb.
>t. grandparents are Hungarian
Orban's a fucking Quisling.
Nah, he's worse, at least Quisling wasn't pretending to be in the Allies while being Hitler's Little cum slut
>Verification not required.
No one can predict the future, but look even today, people argue about who won the war. It's only after the dust is settled and the historians have their word is it generally decided, especially after the veterans of the war are dead.
It could be a mixed result, Ukraine did bomb Donbas in 2014. NATO forces are discouraging peace talks as well. Diplomacy and peace talks is the way, and the Christians and churches are already working and praying for peace. The alternative is a prolonged forever war, which is what the political elite want. They want another 20 years of war profits like Afghanistan.
They want to use Ukrainian people as a tool, a proxy, against Russia. Just as they backed Jihad of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Or the US and Soviet tension and Ethiopia and Somalia. But plenty of Russians are tired of Putin as well, he is corrupt. We have our own civil unrest in America to deal with, as well as preventing mainland invasion from China.
>Or the US and Soviet tension in Ethiopia and Somalia.
Where US special forces have been active as well.
vatnik or hungay goverment shill?
This, they should just sue for peace and let Russia keep Crimea. Then the next time they should let them keep Donbass. Then the next time eastern Ukraine. Then the next time western Ukraine. Then we'll have peace forevermore in Russia (until they attack the next neighbour)
>muh donbass bombing
fuck of vatnik, if you or your beloved russions would have cared for these people they would not have wasted the male population as meat shield in the invasion
>as well as preventing mainland invasion from China.
This doesn't read like an American wrote it but if you actually are one you're the stupidest one of us and should never be allowed to procreate
Its written by hungay state shill
john from texas oblast here. this is exactly the way how we fellow armericans write.
O fuk...maybe you're right
...am I the vatnik shill????
I...I feel it coming...
HATO SPREADS DA GAY SEXO
Basically none of it reads like an American wrote it.
>No one can predict the future, but look even today, people argue about who won the war. It's only after the dust is settled and the historians have their word is it generally decided, especially after the veterans of the war are dead.
>Diplomacy and peace talks is the way, and the Christians and churches are already working and praying for peace.
>They want to use Ukrainian people as a tool
>Just as they backed Jihad of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
>Or the US and Soviet tension and Ethiopia and Somalia.
(my second favorite)
>We have our own civil unrest in America to deal with, as well as preventing mainland invasion from China.
OH IS THAT SO MR. JOHN WASHINGTON?
hungary was planning to invade ukraine with russia but then ruskies got rekt and orban had to back off. They even started a poster campaign to support it but it got memoryholed real quick
Current plan is to somehow get NATO to attack ukraine because some drunk ukranian suggested blowing up the oilpipe in ukraine and hungary wants it to trigger Article 5, of course its a retarded attempt.
and of course orban is vetoing sweden joining NATO for a reason not even they can specify, but real reason is that Putin has old Soviets files proving that Orban was a communist spy and agent and that he got away with at least 1 murder. orban been in politics for decades yet somehow he never got his background checked by the hungarian intelligence agency, bretty sus:D
He was a relatiely high profile dissident before the fall of the soviet union, wasn't he?
Makes sense that they'd have kompromat on him or that'd he'd turned informer.
A majority of the dissidents in the Warsaw Pact countries were either secret informers or straight up glowies. And after the system fell, a lot of the former commie dignitaries and especially their children started pretending that they always were dissidents because they once wrote a slightly critical paper in college and shit. Same shit in Poland, please do not look into who ours first-anticomnunists Kaczyński father was, or what was Kaczyński himself doing during commie times.
bro was literally financially supported by Soros during college
The only reason there's so much whining about muh Soros today is because Orban and Putin.
The later saw Soros' efforts to spread democracy and NGOs in eastern europe/Russia as a threat to his regime and successfully turned Orban to become a wannabe dictator using the same template as him.
You can see the same process under Russian influence since the 2000s in many countries.
Soros conspiracycraft started off as a gnomish psyop (read up on Beny Steinmetz, Arthur Finkelstein, George Eli Birnbaum and their initial roles in demonizing Soros), which then got signal-boosted by various dictators affected by the Open Society Foundation's investigations.
Same thing with the "teh j00s are behind eberyfing" schizo ramblings; they're a gnomish psyop intended to discredit the BDS movement.
Doesn't have also have oligarch ciclejerk going on in Hungary with their infrastructure & energy companies?
Like for example the whole Hungarian nuclear reactor deal with russia that got pushed into contract signing and construction AFTER Russia had already secured Crimea for few years and chimped out about nooks on more than one occasion?
If you Imagine the corporate structure of Fox News but as the government of a country, Orban is Murdoch. Hungary is basically his personal corporation where he controls the media.
>real reason is that Putin has old Soviets files proving that Orban was a communist spy and agent
That's all? Czechia's past minister of finance, deputy prime minister, prime minister and presidential candidate (with a real chance of winning, not just a meme candidate) is literally known to have been an StB agent, confirmed by files declassified after the revolution, since like 2010. Literally zero damage to his political career
Unless they managed to actually pin a murder on him, it will just be memoryholed like it never even happened
>Orban was a communist spy and agent and that he got away with at least 1 murder.
So what? He's a dictator now. This wouldn't do anything to cause his overthrow, at worst it would make the EU mad at him which they already are.
Hungary won't get more gibs, EU says
>3 days to Kyiv
>Ukraine won't win war
I can state russia is losing just by watching the shift of their narratives.
Well, Hungarians are experts in not winning wars.
Other sources quoting Orban the related? Ok, and?
Orbán is an FSB stooge.
The son of the SVR chief literally lives in an upper-class apartment in Budapest. The ruling party district mayor set his up with it. Our foreign minister gets medals from Lavrov in Moscow, while the rest of the EU/NATO is effectively in a cold war with Russia.
The entire government is compromised.
Shouldn't he know which way the wind is blowing by now?
A characteristic of the Orbán regime is that they'll double down every fucking time and never admit to being wrong. Especially Orbán can never be fucking wrong, fucking EVER! They've learned that from their Moscow masters.
So even when Ukraine wins the war one day, they'll likely keep going on about how all this bloodshed could have been avoided, if Ukraine and the West would have been "on the side of peace" like they have.
Question for Hungarians
Why do your retarded people vote for this retard? Serious question. I get why Turks vote for their ebin sultan
Because they're retarded. Simple as that. The bottom third of the voter population votes them in every fucking time, because they employ the most base level black-white fearmongering propaganda, while having a monopoly on almost all normie media (TV, radio, printed news, etc.).
Also keeping the lower-class poor and dumb, while simultaneously dangling the carrot of gibs in front of them every four years. Or the threat of the opposition parties taking away the gibs if they win.
This country is fucking doomed.
I wish the CIA was as bad as vatmorons and chinks say, because we desperately need someone to save us and remove the Orbán regime.
A combination of things:
The minds of retarded FIDESZ voters are still stuck in the 2002-2010 era.
Control of all media, literally 95% of news is either directly or indirectly (through oligarchs and friends) controlled by FIDESZ government.
The election system is completely rigged. If you vote for the winner (on the local level) your votes are effectively double-cast, because excess amount of winning votes goes for the winning candidate's party (which you also vote for). This is how they have been able to keep their supermajority and if anyone ever comes close to threatening them, they can just use the courts to enforce rules which they make up on the spot (which never get enforced against FIDESZ of course).
It was russian gas. When the supposed """energy crisis""" hit Europe and the government told people to use wood heaters, they were selling the gas (that we were supposedly running out of and is still sky high in prices) to serbians.
Adding to this: it was not the socialist government before, but FIDESZ that classified the agent files for 80 years. Really makes you think.
Why Hungary specifically? What can we learn from this?
I wonder if they are playing a shadow hand trying to get their west of the Carpathian native territories back. NATO might expand a little if that happens.
>Hungarian leader says
Lmao might as well make the headline "Ukraine won't win war, Russian leader says". Viktor Orbán's word is worth toilet paper.
>What do you all make of this?
Clearly Viktor Orban is not a military man, bring back that admiral Miklos Horthy
Also a gay.
Nah, he had great oil deal they got kinda funky way, they lived really good last ~10 years and now it looks like tit will run out.
hungayrians made a 25 years long oil deal AT THE START OF THE WAR WHEN OIL PRICE SKYROCKETED. Now they pay nearly 10x or more the market price for oil and will countinue to do so for 25 years. Oh and russians already upped the price at least once 😀
hungarians are gays, we've known this for a while. Ukraine already won the war, at least, we would have considered the current state of affairs a win on Feb 24, 2022 when we all thought Kyiv was going to fall in 3 days.
Next you'll give me a Polish source that says Ukraine and Poland will take Moscow
If hungary left nato and eu the veeehdeeehveeeh would be dropped the next day and thw gays would wecome then on their knees with their mouth open
Unfortunately yes. The general population is completely mind-broken into believing vatnik dogma to be reality.
Hungarian leaders want Hungary to be new Serbia, thirsting for russian semem
Who will win the war?
No one can predict the future.
But Putin will die like all men do, and sooner than most.
Just by nature of being an old man, not some vague political statement.
Orban is a Serb in spirit. He polishes Putin’s balls even as it becomes a political albatross.
Hungarians were forced to become addicted to Russian cum after their failed revolution in the 50s and its still paying off to this day.
It's kinda odd that they still celebrate that attempt despite guzzling Russian cum in the modern era.