>Ukraine to receive French TRF1 howitzers.

>Ukraine to receive French TRF1 howitzers.
https://www.lopinion.fr/la-france-va-fournir-de-nouveaux-canons-a-lukraine
Peak 1980s HATO core.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God damn it looks huge and cumbersome. Is it any good?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has an engine so you can chug along with 8km/h

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's really fucking heavy, since it's all-steel, unlike the mostly titanium M777, but it's a bit more resilient w.r.t. hasty manipulation.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HATO
    Can we stop using this really faggy nuspeak word? It's called NATO
    >but in my shit language we pronounce it HATO!!!
    Don't give a fuck about your shit 4th world language thanks!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It should be OTAN in this case, peak baguette

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those are cyrillic letters you dumb cunt.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In russian н is N silly, it's somewhat funny
      At the beggining of this gay war there were Oмoн troops btw read it backwards

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those are cyrillic letters you dumb cunt.

        It should be OTAN in this case, peak baguette

        Don't care about your nu-speak explanation the language comes from a 4th world country. Call it NATO or kindly fuck off, thanks!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See who started this war you tremenduous gay, 2/10 made me reply

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >r*ssians started the war therefore it's okay to use their faggy nu-speak and call it HATO
            Is this really your logic? Kindly fuck off thank you!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. Russian sisters started a war against their smaller neighbor and after losing it they are blaming it on HATO, with the entirety of HATO being in ukraine according to them, so when we say HATO we mean this big bad bully that tries to pick on poor innocent russia

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nuspeak
          It's an acceptance of hatred, because NATO moderates want to mass murder Russians therefore they take the name given to them by Russians, which is HATO.
          Just because you're a boomer that hates injokes doesn't mean we have to care.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Call it NATO or kindly fuck off, thanks!
          Organizacja Traktatu Północnoatlantyckiego.
          What now, ya cunt?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not going to bother translating 4th world babble sorry.

            >Nuspeak
            It's an acceptance of hatred, because NATO moderates want to mass murder Russians therefore they take the name given to them by Russians, which is HATO.
            Just because you're a boomer that hates injokes doesn't mean we have to care.

            >Just because you're a boomer that hates injokes doesn't mean we have to care.
            Your injoke is really faggy and annoying though!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not sure if bait but the official name is both NATO and OTAN.
          It is spelled OTAN in at least French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese.
          >https://www.nato.int/

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're a bong to be so insecure about that right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is a Japanese site, call it 北大西洋条約機構 or 北条機 for short.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hateful
      American
      Terrorist
      Organization
      seems fine to me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like you just described r*ssia though.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >155mm French towed howitzer
    >produced from 1984 to 1993
    >retired in April 2022
    >Effective firing range 24 km (15 mi) with high-explosive shells. 30 km (19 mi) with long-range ammunition
    >Rate of fire 3 shots in 15 s., 6 shots/min.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many the have?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How many are they getting?

        About 100. Weird they procured such a little number.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          8 guns in a French battery, so that was probably 96 + spares, or 4 regiments' worth

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was actually 106 distributed over 5 regiments it seems. The initial order was for 180 but I guess it was a dud, some decades later it was entirely replaced by the Caesar, none in service anymore.
            Still, it's perfectly usable.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They replaced it with Caesar because towed artillery is useless in the colonial warfare the French are pursuing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >distributed over 5 regiments
              Thanks, do you know which?
              >I guess it was a dud
              Yeah, the Armee had plenty of SPGs, weird that they'd suddenly buy towed pieces. I have a feeling it is a combination of 90s economising and stopgap measures until more CAESAR could be procured

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Still some (like 8 I think) in service in Djibouti with the French mission there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even those were apparently retired this year.

                >distributed over 5 regiments
                Thanks, do you know which?
                >I guess it was a dud
                Yeah, the Armee had plenty of SPGs, weird that they'd suddenly buy towed pieces. I have a feeling it is a combination of 90s economising and stopgap measures until more CAESAR could be procured

                >do you know which?
                93rd artillerie de montagne, 35th artillerie parachutiste, 3rd artillerie de marine and the 5th outremer in Djibouti according to frog Wikipedia

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and the 11th artillerie de marine, fuck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >93rd artillerie de montagne, 35th artillerie parachutiste, 3rd artillerie de marine and the 5th outremer in Djibouti

                and the 11th artillerie de marine, fuck

                >and the 11th artillerie de marine
                Thanks
                aha that makes more sense
                Towed pieces are easier to transport for mountain, para and amphib troops; and cheaper for colonial troops compared to SPGs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of accuracy are we looking at here?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        These can use any guided 155mm ammo, including Excaliburs. So it's really just matter of what you load into this baby.
        BTW, this is standard ammo transporting vehicle, militarized Renault TRM-1000. And my god, this shit is ugly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hmmm more destroyed HIMARSpiggies*~~

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i like it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that cab looks like it was fabricated in a Nigerian garage

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this shit is ugly
          What are you talking about, it says 'exceptional' right on the sign!

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the joke "HATE"-O?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no joke. HATO is the cyrillic equivalent to NATO

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many are they getting?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thread about big boy howitzer
    >Dissolves into NATO/HATO shitposting
    I hate all of you gays

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, I posted something on topic.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a piece of shit! anything better than nothing though, I suppose. Just give em 100 more 777s

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the issue? Seems like a solid 5/10 piece.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pure garbage, imagine having the gaul to sell them this out of service equipment instead of just giving it to them.
    Is this a sign Frances military stockpiles are low?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A broker bought it from the Frenchies after decommission, Ukr army bought it from the broker

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        France military helped a French broker sell them old shit, instead of France just buying them and giving them to Ukraine like the rest of the world.
        Why is France poor?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Correct me if Im wrong but aren't a lot of countries doing that? Maybe not for all the gear and heavy equipment but my understanding was that most of the "donations" are actually business as usual

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most countries are buying them from the brokers and giving them to Ukraine.
            France told Ukraine to buy the TRF1 from a broker, the opposite of what everyone else is doing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What about Germany? Didn't they allow ukies to purchase directly from their defense firms? Also, if I remember correctly France did give some equipment, but mostly civil security ones (ambulances, firetrucks and such).
              I mean it makes sense for all East Europeans to simply give heavy military equipment because they are defending themselves from a potential invasion in doing so and get free gibs of new NATO harware in exchange of old rusty soviet shit, so it's a good deal for them. As for the US, they have both the stocks and economy to support direct donations. But I thought other countries were selling, my mistake and thanks for the clarification.
              And yes France is shit poor, has a 98% of the GPD dept and its military was severly underfunded until a few years ago when the General in charge of the armies quit with a letter telling Macron to fuck off he doesn't take better care of the army budget

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeh that's correct about Germany.
                France did give equipment just not alot of it given its size and gdp, much much less than countries with no were near as big gdp. They gave 12 (+6 but not sure if went through with it) Caesar some VAB vehicles and a few Milans, Javelins and a land based exocet system.

                France can't be that poor, it's pretty similar to the UK on paper but comes across alot less capable and donated/bought nothing like what the UK did.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's an open secret that the UK has deeper war stocks than the French; that is how they could afford to give away so much ammo and infantry kit

                Yeh I'm aware of that but in the case of France and the TRF1...
                >155mm TRF1 howitzers certified by the Ministry of Armed Forces to be delivered (they were purchased by Ukraine from the private defence company S2M-Equipment).
                It's not the case.

                Could investigate what S2M got out of it, but they seem to be a defence transport and maintenance company. It's normal for such companies to provide transport and maintenance services. In a way, part of the MIC / PMC.

                I'm not ruling out skimming entirely, mind, I'm just saying contracts like these are absolutely not out of the ordinary, from freighting tanks right down to servicepeople buying regular airline tickets to fly around.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's where politics come into play I guess. UK is legit pissed at Russia for many reason, it has nothing to lose on a political and economical level to go full retard against them, and they are not part of EU anymore so no need to play the diplomatic card. West Europeans countries still heavily relied until recently on Russian gas (they still do but no gas is coming anyway). So it's not about the economy size only, it's more internal politics for them, especially for France since Macron wants to keep talking with Putin.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Macron wants to keep talking with Putin
                Does this actually play well politically in France? Because it makes him look like a tool everywhere else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not so sure, I don't follow french politics much now, although most of the far right is pro-Russia (pro strong regime actually). MLP, leader of the far right Rassemblement National was in trouble years ago for funding her campaign thanks to a Russian bank loan. Same with the far Left which is anti "western imperialsim" and bullshit of the likes, so Russia probably enjoys some support, or at least a lack of straight condemnation of their actions. Also if you go farther in the past when France was still a relevant world power you can see that France and Russia have always been close at a diplomatic and cultural level, it was still true during the Cold War when CDG left NATO command while the cultural elites from both countries were mutually sucking their own dicks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, no. He did it at the start because it was an election year for the presidency and it was France's turn to lead the UE, so he thought he could use that to position himself as an european leader that Putin listens to. Amounted to jack shit in the end except for some funny marketing failure (like days before the invasion his team ran a marketing campaign about how Putin retreated his army due to Macron's phonecall). Now he just do it to feel important.

                But to be fair, the far-right in France are russians puppets (because Russia pays them) and the far-left are also russians puppets (because it pisses off the USA), and Macron lacks the majority needed to completely ignore them. So he can't do shit besides calling Putin once in a while.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're right and what I have to add is not to defend him but he also acted and talked based on the intelligence he received from the DGSE, which was totally wrong on every possible point. DGSE head was sacked shortly after the invasion started, so there is that too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meant for

                I'd say its more of an acknowledgment of the impasse they are now facing in regard with their energy supply. At the begging western Europe was "ok we condemn your invasion, it's very wrong but let's just talk about it so we can keep receiving our supply". Now that the supply is fully stopped, they can only double down on sending weapons to end the conflict ASAP so their economies could restart (hopefully). I get the "Le bad frog white flag" meme but dealing with this shit was a legit tightrope act, since France was leading EU for 6 months back then and had presidential elections incoming where the far right (the exact same that was funded by Putin's banker friend) was a potential winner. If MLP had won, you cannot imagine the shit it would have been for Ukraine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(like days before the invasion his team ran a marketing campaign about how Putin retreated his army due to Macron's phonecall)

                Please stop with this crap, I dislike Macron as much as the next guy but that poster was made by a random LREM fanboy on his twitter account (with a whooping 3.8k followers). It never appeared on any official channels.
                On the calls there's a french documentary that filmed them back in February (as well as Zelensky/Macron talks following the invasion), transcripts of which can easily be found with a quick search. Interesting to see how heads of state converse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if the poster was bullshit it's irrelevant.
                The whole lead up to the invasion was a huge miscalculation by that retard and made himself look like a total fucking imbecile.
                Also lol at that table photoshoot with the two biggest retards in Western Europe.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, I'll stop mentioning it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Correct me if Im wrong but aren't a lot of countries doing that? Maybe not for all the gear and heavy equipment but my understanding was that most of the "donations" are actually business as usual

          Most countries are buying them from the brokers and giving them to Ukraine.
          France told Ukraine to buy the TRF1 from a broker, the opposite of what everyone else is doing.

          What about Germany? Didn't they allow ukies to purchase directly from their defense firms? Also, if I remember correctly France did give some equipment, but mostly civil security ones (ambulances, firetrucks and such).
          I mean it makes sense for all East Europeans to simply give heavy military equipment because they are defending themselves from a potential invasion in doing so and get free gibs of new NATO harware in exchange of old rusty soviet shit, so it's a good deal for them. As for the US, they have both the stocks and economy to support direct donations. But I thought other countries were selling, my mistake and thanks for the clarification.
          And yes France is shit poor, has a 98% of the GPD dept and its military was severly underfunded until a few years ago when the General in charge of the armies quit with a letter telling Macron to fuck off he doesn't take better care of the army budget

          Don't jump to conclusions. It's fairly normal for such transfers to go through a "broker" which is really just a Govt legal entity for paperwork purposes. Also, "selling" them off is also commonly just legal folderol, for example how the UK "sold" its Harriers to the US for $1 - that's just an effect of peppercorn law (look it up). Or as could be in this case, so the Govts can put a number figure on the sale for citizens' informational purposes. Say if you want to, for legal and reporting purposes, donate a weapon to a country worth say $1 million, but in reality the transaction is a donation, how do you carry it on the books? Simple - you give them $1m in "credit", put a $1m price tag on your weapons, and let them "buy" it. Then you can announce in the news that you've donated $1m worth of weapons, as it says on the tin.

          In most thirdies of course it's a chance for the broker to skim off the top, but that's not always the case in OECD countries.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeh I'm aware of that but in the case of France and the TRF1...
            >155mm TRF1 howitzers certified by the Ministry of Armed Forces to be delivered (they were purchased by Ukraine from the private defence company S2M-Equipment).
            It's not the case.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense, but without information on the selling price how do you know if something is a legit donation at a minimal price for administrative purpose or a real business deal? Do they clarify and make the distinction somewhere? Do regular people eventually know about it or is it done in secrecy?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's really hard to tell. Honestly the only thing you can do is trust the Govt audit and accountability offices to do their job. That's why memes aside, Western democratic countries do have one advantage; they are more transparent, more accountable, so book-cooking can be (even if not eliminated) at least kept down. So at least you know those armour inserts aren't filled with sand...

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a reliable 155 tube with some interesting perks. Firing performance is decent, maintenance is okay, spare parts could be an issue but probably not.
    Honestly, whatever helps the Ukies put down more 155mm shells is a good idea. I just hope they send at least 50 of their 100 stored unites.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still kind of at a loss as to why the US hasn't sent M198s yet. There's a ton of them just sitting in storage.
    Yeah, I understand they're heavy so you can't airlift as many as the 777s, but we've had months to figure out a solution to that and Ukraine just flat needs more numbers. Stick em on a fucking boat or something, the Polish train lines run by the coast don't they?
    Weight can't be an issue for the ukes if they're buying these, TRFs a 2000kg heaver than 198s.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does it at least elevates the French contribution to this war from shameful to merely very embarrassing? Please answer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Ukraine bought it from the Broker with 0% discount or contribution from the French then it potentially makes it worse than Shamefull.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it becomes clear that Ukraine is going to win this thing
    >all of a sudden "look! look! ve give many weapon to Ukraine no? always we were with the ukraine, always!"

    Fucking French.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say its more of an acknowledgment of the impasse they are now facing in regard with their energy supply. At the begging western Europe was "ok we condemn your invasion, it's very wrong but let's just talk about it so we can keep receiving our supply". Now that the supply is fully stopped, they can only double down on sending weapons to end the conflict ASAP so their economies could restart (hopefully). I get the "Le bad frog white flag" meme but dealing with this shit was a legit tightrope act, since France was leading EU for 6 months back then and had presidential elections incoming where the far right (the exact same that was funded by Putin's banker friend) was a potential winner. If MLP had won, you cannot imagine the shit it would have been for Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This new shipment is nothing superior or more flashy than what they already sent. France already secured it's good boy statut by sending the 18 Caesar and "quit a lot" of VAB when shits were thigh for Ukraine.It's certainly not the untold amount of a 4 decades old howitzer that will make a 180 in opinion on France.
      Where the fuck come this obsession on France's contribution the last few days?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Last few days
        France like Germany has been getting ripped on since the beginning where have you been.

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