Current Attrition rates of Western military equipment in Ukraine
As of 5/10/23
(according to Oryx, all visually confirmed) - lost includes damaged and destroyed. Only including equipment of western design and origin - modified soviet equipment included.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230821220340/https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
Tanks
Leopard 2A6 (21) - Lost (9) - (43%)
Leopard 2A4 (54) - Lost (7) - (13%)
M-55s - (28) - Lost (2) - (7%)
Challenger 2 (14) - Lost (1) - (7%)
PT-91 Twardy (60) - Lost (2) - (3%)
Leopard 1A5 (165) - Lost (0) - (0%)
Strv 122s (10) - Lost (0) - (0%)
AFVs
AMX-10 RC (40) - Lost (4) - (10%)
IFVs
Bradley M2A2 (182) - Lost (53) - (29%)
YPR-765 (196) - Lost (48) - (24%)
CV90 (50) - Lost (3) - (6%)
KTO Rosomak (200) - Lost (1) - (0.5%)
Marder (40) - Lost (0) - (0%)
APC
M113 (778) - Lost (66) - (8%)
FV103 Spartan (114) - Lost (3) - (3%)
VAB (60) Delivered - Lost (12) - (20%)
Patria Pasi (20) - Lost (7) - (35%)
Bushmaster (90) - Lost (8) - (9%)
Stryker - (157) - Lost (3) - (2%)
>FV103 Spartan (114) - Lost (3) - (3%)
Warriortard in shambles
>KTO Rosomak (200) - Lost (1) - (0.5%)
I really hope Mexico chooses this to replace the AMX VCI. It's supposedly down to this with a French 40mm CTA gun vs an 8x8 version of the Guarani with a 40mm conventional autocannon.
>an 8x8 version of the Guarani with a 40mm conventional autocannon.
They should choose this. Brazil needs to sell more weapons
Not just because it's Brazil and needs to sell more weapons, but it's also geographically better.
Gorgeous APC.
It has the same face as those characters in Ukrainian Kontakt comics.
Attrition loss rates are apparently quite high though when you're losing 30% of your Bradleys and half of your Leopard 2A6s (that goes for Russia too)
Russia lost half their Leopard 2A6s? Why wasn't this in the news?
They lost half thier images of destroyed Leos when that Canadian chuggie got zapped by mountees for his link to the paypal russian gang rape site.
qrd?
This sort of operation -- assaulting an extremely well-entrenched enemy behind layered defenses, without the aid of air superiority -- is one of the most punishing tasks that ground forces can be asked to perform. I believe the rule of thumb for something like this is to assume 25% casualties "assuming nothing goes wrong".
The real measure here is that the AFU is knocking on the door in places and the RuAF has been able to slow them down but not push them back out to their start lines.
>Strv 122s (10) - Lost (0) - (0%)
SWEDEN STRONK
Now post Russian losses :3
This year theyre minial and you can see that from all the telegram videos
That's because russia doesn't have nearly as much of it as they started with. So naturally losses will reduce.. as there wasn't much of it to lose in the first place.
Good luck explaining basic math to vatniks. I remember one vodka moron being insistent on western healthcare being shit due to cancer being more common in western countries.
He literally didn't understand how Russians having low median life expectancy meant they literally are too busy dying before the cancer can develop and kill them is the main reason Russian cancer death rates are "low".
Well. That, and because their healthcare is too shitty to allow the diagnosis cancer before it literally kills the patient in many cases. A vatmoron may die riddled with tumors but it's aids or his hepatic cirrhosis that score the coup de grace in many cases.
Hi, quick question, are you on meth because that's the only reason I can think someone would say something so stupid
>minimal
So losing 5:1 while on the defensive is minimal now?
Kek those are the gays that will unironically say "/k/ope"
>you can see that from all the telegram videos
This has to be a joke
No, he's just delusional and is spoonfed a narrative that he can neither see nor call into question.
It's the "show proofs" - "that's not proof enough" - "it didn't matter anyways" mindset of the vatnik brainrot. A sad existence, unworthy for a human.
id say willing manpower is the bigger problem right now
Ok guys here's a whole bunch of defensive equipment, now go on offensive with them xD
>Leopard 2A6 (21) - Lost (9) - (43%)
>Leopard 2A4 (54) - Lost (7) - (13%)
The Forbes article claims 5 lost and 'at least 10' damaged, which are being repaired
Is it fair to extrapolate a 2:1 damaged to lost ratio to the rest of equipment? probably not, but when you've got 65 tanks, having 10 out of action in repairs aint too shabby
also, 10 MBTs lost, and soon to receive 30 Abrams, that's a pretty nice net gain
forbes is literally just using oryx's list
we have no idea how much shit has actually been destroyed or damaged
yes for the numbers, but they've done a little digging with regards the volume being repaired
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/29/ukrainian-tank-losses-diminish-as-polish-technicians-save-more-and-more-damaged-leopard-2s/
Reminder these are just visually confirmed losses, real one are very likely to be higher
Nah that's basically only true of Russia.
why so?
Because when we are talking about Ukraine using western equipment we pretty much have always sufficient amount of their footage because of Ukrainian NATO propaganda, but also because we are talking about miniscule numbers and also fact that despite all of these losses there was not a single incedent when the entire crew of said vehicle died which is by far the most important statistic anon, because human lives unlike tanks can't be replaced and trained crew is far more valuable than any tank
>some mines
some mines?
Ukrainians have been posting videos where there are up to half a dozen arty-deployed mines per square meter.
>nato trained
It is a fraction of the main million strong force.
How you you suggest they deal with the mine situation. Seen lots of people talk about it but nobody has actually provided any real method of dealing with them during an attempted advance.
Mine clearing explosives + armoured advance
If it was that easy then Ukraine would be doing it but it seems they miss the mine clearing part and go straight to the armoured advance over mines which leads to them losing all their armour.
Ukrainians are currently afraid to actually commit to a push so they send these probing attacks with few tanks and AFVs that get destroyed by Fagots, mines and Alligators.
They should advise with Americans to perform a breakthrough like it was done in the Desert Storm where even Arabs managed to deal with deep minefields while under tank fire, granted, everyone had support from some one thousand aircraft, and in Ukraine, there is no air war so that is somewhat of a positive.
Idk, they should just stop with the pushes into minefields while having no medium AD.
Sending your shit in piecemeal to get fucked up sounds like a terrible idea. Even if they do breakthrough somewhere then they will only have the small force that did it while the rest of their offensive force will be scrambling to try and get there to flood the gap but by the time they do the Russians will have reinforced the area and probably turned the section into an even bigger death trap than before which explains why the front has been pretty much stagnant except for the occasional robotown and similar villages which are taken before being lost and retaken and then lost and so on.
Also this war is in no way comparable to desert storm like what the fuck kind of comparison is that? If the US tried doing that in Ukraine then their aircraft would be blown out of the sky by the ungodly amount of AA while the armoured advance would hit a minefield and stop while the enemy started throwing artillery, ATGMs, drones or attack helicopter missiles at the disabled or stuck vehicles and the public would shit themselves the moment they noticed casualties got into the tens of thousands.
The iraq military basically collapsed before US soldiers even entered iraq as all the military and government buildings were bombed long before any ground advance even occurred but again air power doesn’t really work in Ukraine.
>If the US tried doing that in Ukraine then their aircraft would be blown out of the sky by the ungodly amount of AA while the armoured advance would hit a minefield and stop while the enemy started throwing artillery, ATGMs, drones or attack helicopter missiles at the disabled or stuck vehicles and the public would shit themselves the moment they noticed casualties got into the tens of thousands.
LOL, this retard thinks the US can't SEAD like lame russians and doesn't know that iraqis actually fought harder and more competently than any russian we've seen in this war.
>we
Who "we"? None of you been to the Ukrainian battlefields and none of you faced Russians in combat. None of you know what the fuck you're talking about.
>Who "we"?
anybody paying attention, shill
>none faced russians in combat
>what is syria
what is fagner and russian units suddenly claimed to be non-rusian to avoid responsibility and shame because your strike force got blown by a single fucking aircraft
>doesn't know that iraqis actually fought harder and more competently than any russian we've seen in this war.
Ukraine would have already crushed Iraq
1991 Iraq would crush 2022 Russia
both Ukraine and Russia can defeat Iraq
You don't know what you are talking about.
holy fuck, at several poitns iraq had an absurd AA defence and guess what? burgers were doing bombing runs 24/7 via aerial force, shut the fuck up about things you have no idea about
liek whole US doctrine is about spamming air control everywhere so land forces can enter and finish the rest. In ukraine they woudl just swarm detected AA sites. And since its 2023 and not goatfuckers wars, they woudl prolly spam guided missiles before deploying aircrafts
The U.S. military isn't invulnerable, but don't underestimate it either.
The Western equipment that Ukraine has now is very good at protecting the lives of the soldiers inside compared to their old Soviet-origin stuff. The problem is, that Russia can knock the vehicles out at an unsustainable rate. It's the rate of loss that is the problem. Russia also has a problem though here with its artillery, since they like to fire artillery at their own positions when Ukraine takes them, but the Ukrainians disperse quickly once taking a position, and then the Russian artillery lights itself up for Ukrainian counter-battery systems and longer-ranged artillery like HIMARS. One thing they've been doing is simply wiring their own positions to blow up with explosives. It'd be rather scary to be a Russian soldier defending a position that's also booby-trapped.
>so they send these probing attacks with few tanks and AFVs that get destroyed by Fagots, mines and Alligators.
>Idk, they should just stop with the pushes into minefields while having no medium AD.
Cool story, now please explain to us when Russian army will stop running?
As soon as Ukraine reaches the first line of defense.
>counting damaged as lost
what
You might as well go back.
>says the redditer
Good evening sir
Go back, VK tourist.
It is what a vatmoron considers a "victory".
Story on the webm ? Looks like a war crime
Stormtrooper walks up to them and says hands up and drop your guns. They do neither. They say they're friendly, despite both wearing yellow bands, and the guy wearing whites. They probably sustained concussions recently, probably in the same combat. He grabs their guns, the guy on the right refuses to let go of his gun. This promts the stormtrooper to shoot him up. He also shoots up the other guy who technically isn't cooperating either, though clearly there was less reason to do so, but he probably wasn't using his reasoning skills at the moment.
Just your regular trench sweeping. He tried to take them prisoner but they decided to play dumb.
>justifying literal warcrimes
Do you think people don't get shot in war?
>it's a war crime to shoot people who don't surrender
Next thing you say showing up to a war is itself a war crime.
Post the LOAC you assert was violated you idiot moron.
>Just your regular trench sweeping
maybe to non-Europeans
Trying to take people prisoner before shooting them up sure is NOT a european thing to do, now that you mention it.
In Desert Storm, majority of the forces were late because they were processing prisoners of war, sure, 10 minutes earlier they buried their buddies alive in their trenches lol but still.
I was poking fun at Ukrainian side volunteers who shoot Russians indiscriminately even while they're trying to surrender, as in unarmed and with their hands up. Not to say anything about PoW executions, that was fucking ridiculous. Drone dropping grenades on a tied up blindfolded man? Are you fucking trying to one-up ISIS here?
>as in unarmed and with their hands up
never happened
If you say so lmao. Thanks to the power of ignorance and denial, you'll always have the high ground in this type of arguments.
Evidence, motherfucker, do you have it?
NTA but when you said they were trying to one up ISIS you were clearly incorrect. They're trying to one-up the russians. You know, the people firing cruise missiles at churches and theaters when they aren't raping ukrainian children or murdering POWs.
>Thanks to the power of ignorance and denial
dude I'm still waiting for those ISIS execution videos and shooting of surrendered Russians
It didn't happen but I wish it did
Warcrime
Retard
You forgot the best part which is the rolling jump at the end of the video
Thats not the full story either. The Soldier recording threw a grenade into the foxhole who killed the soldier lying next to them, and both soldiers were completely dazed from surviving a near point blank grenade explosion. They don't notice the armband initially and think he's friendly, but when the guy on the right comes to and realises he's an enemy, he panics, grabs his rifle, then the soldier shoots both of them.
Its not a warcrime, but its pretty pathetic Russians are still recycling videos from what, 9-10 months ago?
>warcrime
Go back
He told them to drop guns for like 10 times, but they were shell-shocked and did not understand, in the heat of battle, he decided that it was safer to shoot them, and then made a tactical roll for stamina regen
perfidy, russian soldier dressed as a ukie gets the drop on some tdf
How the fuck do you lose almost half of your 2A6's?
By starting out with 21 of the fucking things.
>lose half of your Leopards
>achieve nothing
What exactly have the Leopards done since they were introduced? Except from exploding.
be forgiving, despite everything the ukrainians are still slavs
If you don't get punished then the fact of it being (or not being) a crime is irrelevant
Ziggers are still spamming this same webm after all this time? lmfao
>It's what happens when you turn churches and theaters into ammo stores and barracks.
>It's the same reason Ukraine would bomb Donbass cities for 8 years.
Forgot to add that.
Do you have anything concrete, and not just "dude trust me"?
That’s not the number of destroyed. OP worded it weirdly.
bro just one ISIS exuction, I don't ask for much, just post it bro
>admitting to be a russian 2ch poster
And you pretend to be taken seriously here, lol
Nice lefty4chan meme you got there bunker-kun. Your husband made it for you?
he just stole it after noticing that people call Russia ontologically evil
Nah I've seen it floating about the leftoid circles. I'd assume both meme addled lefties and retarded ruzzians use the same memes because they're politically congruent with each other.
>Yeah let me just rifle through an entire fucking imageboard real quick.
Yeah? You've made a claim, you're supposed to back it up, not that I'm suppose to go through that whole Russian cesspool and find it for you
Counting damaged and recovered Western equipment is disingenuous. These aren't single-use shitboxes like the T-72, they are actually meant to be repaired and returned to combat.
>I'm not worried about mutts' opinion.
Yes you are, or you wouldn't be here shilling and seeking validation from westerners.
Behind all the lies you tell yourself, you know deep inside that Russia has fucked up his last chance and its imperial dream is now gone forever. You'll become chinese vassals or you'll need to come back begging to the EU. Your GDP, population, and failed military do not allow for any other fate.
>Total support to Ukraine $165bn including military financial and humanitarian
Thats literally nothing, its just over one years combined defence budget of the UK and Germany.
The return on that $165bn is insane look how much of a state of Russia and the sheer number of Russian equipment lost.
Billions of dollars is pocket change for us, we got russian money you had in the West, and just a few military surplus left overs have been enough to broke the Oh so scary bear that bragged about reaching germany in weeks, lol
Ukraine has been winning since last year. This is just the dirty work of the clean up.
That's why you're here shilling and coping to "change the narrative", because you know you're fucked in reality. the myth of Russia Stronk born out of WW2 and the US help has been broken forever and it's not coming back. Even other thirdworlders smell your weakness now.
>Bradley has highest loss rate for anything sent over in large numbers
What went wrong?
Used the most
things are there to be used you dork. losses are a sign they're going into the toughest fights and being used the most.
Counting damaged as lost
Bradleys are the most numerous of the main western vehicles in their service and very good at what they do, so ukies have been using them more in their attacks, which obviously mean they lost more.
The US has loads of them and will keep sending more, so it's not going to change for now.
Has a worse destruction rate than some Dutch ifv from the 70s (based on a M113 lmao)
Worse than that
It has the same loss rate as the BMP in Ukrainian service, despite being in combat for only a few months
>IFVs share similar attrition when used for the same offensive roles
I for one am shocked
kek
Open the catalogue, vatmorons are gonna work overtime today.
kek stfu retard
I opened the catalog but the challenger killed didn’t go away.
Leopard 2A4/2A6 achievements?
One was lost today, my dude. Unless you're doing a false flag post which is probably more likely given this cesspit.
To be fair 82nd air assault brigade (who are equipped with them) has now been in combat for 2-3 weeks and momentum has picked up, surprising only one has been lost given the intensity of the combat.
>To be fair 82nd air assault brigade (who are equipped with them) has now been in combat for 2-3 weeks and momentum has picked up, surprising only one has been lost given the intensity of the combat.
Remember Bradley and Leo getting humiliated on day one of their offensive?
May we see the 82nd in combat. We have videos of the 47th liberating robotyne but nothing from the 82nd save for burning strykers and challenger
47th were rotated out after they failed to hold Robotyne, 82nd and 86th were then moved in, retook it and are now flanking Russian positions. a few days ago they were geolocated (green pin) to be behind the surovkin line of prepared defences. As you'd expect from a heavyweight brigade with elite infantry.
May we see a source. All we have is the initial 47th taking robotyne but nothing to back up what you just claimed
Why was the 47th so fucking shit?
probably trained by germans or women
They were partially trained by the UK but their individual combat skills have never been in question. Just their equipment and the position they were put in. The leadership has also been a bit unusual (the field photo) but that's probably senior officers from the soviet era who revert to their oldest training when things fall apart.
They were only ever meat for the grinder. They were more capable than a far larger number of troops with soviet gear which allowed those troops to rotate back and rest. You could tell from the components that they were never designed for a defensive breach or subsequent breakout.
various fictions
Do you know why you are shilling here? What exploded this time in Russia? Or did they lose another meaningless village without any strategic importance behind their prepared fortifications?
How much are you getting paid, what color are your hands?
>What exploded this time in Russia?
We do a little bit of samefaggery here now:
A drone, in Moscow.
Seems like the new anti drone AA that was positioned on small artificial hills with impressive ramps doesn't work so well.
To the surprise of everyone as I imagine.
The 47th got to the northern outskirts then were rotated. The green is their progress in 3 months, the blue is 82nd and 46th in 3 weeks. The anti-tank ditches in the Surovikin line have been crossed and the Russians have been seen shelling their own trenches. Verbove will fall shortly and then it's game on because the forces defending the way to tokmak will have to fall back or be flanked. The Russian reserve has already been committed, the only way to get more forces is to pull them from somewhere else.
May I see proof. I’m not going to just take your word for it
We all know you will accept no "proof" that isn't putting a bullet in your head right after you were walked through the liberated Robotyne.
I will accept proof. You haven’t offered any. You keep making statements about the 47th being replaced but won’t show anything that backs that up.
Maybe not exactly what everybody's looking for, but interesting nonetheless: these are the fortifications on that map south of Robotyne, north of Novoprokopivka, geolocated to 47.430542,35.827070
The report I read is that the explosion in the pic was part of the AFU's trench-clearing, and that they've already held it and moved further. All the chatter on Russian Telegram that Robotyne is "still in the grey zone" appears to be just that (meaningless chatter), and the AFU's rate of advance looks like it's increasing.
Can’t find any sources reporting the 47th has been withdrawn. Could you share them
>humiliated
>by 5 vehicles damaged
>not lost
Seems to be doing pretty good tbh
>Leopard 2A6 (21) - Lost (9) - (43%)
>Bradley M2A2 (182) - Lost (53) - (29%)
>Counting damaged as destroyed
Vatmoron
Is this repairable by Ukraine? It's not exactly an engine bay rebuild is it?
pic
Is that 50 vehicles. Looks like one to me
50 is more than 1.
27 destroyed out of 183. Not bad for the amount of combat it’s seen.
one Bradley Destroyed or damaged for every 100m of advance over 3/4 months.
That's awful.
Cope. The Bradley is being given credit for the liberation of robotyne. That’s huge
Warriortard was right
"cope" "cope" "cope" "cope" it's like whack a mole, every time you get rekt you make a little ping. You hadn't heard of robotyne until a week ago and now it's your greatest achievement warriortard.
This is what i'd expect from a disgusting deviant fart fetishist like you.
Listing gains in length rather than area is retarded
when it's a bulge it's not. Also distance forward IS area.
>one Bradley Destroyed or damaged for every 100m of advance
This sounds exaggerated, Anon. The distance from Orikhiv to the geolocated defense works at 47.430542,35.827070 (
) is 14.85km, and the Oryx's visually-confirmed losses count mobility kills of equipment that was later retrieved and repaired, IIRC.
The other thing to take into account is that these are the heaviest-prepared defenses the RuAF had to offer -- multiple km of heavy mining, pre-sighted arty, and some serious counterattacking trying to force the Ukrainians back to their start lines. Even if they damaged a bunch of Bradleys, the Russian Ground Forces haven't been able to reverse the AFU's progress, just slow it down. Bite-and-hold might not be as kino for spectators as last summer's tempoposting, but so far it seems to be working.
Most of that advance wasn't 47th and the Bradley, they were halted and rotated at Robotyne.
Proof?
Will buff out in the wash
I genuinely didn't know and the jannies went and deleted my post lmao
>I genuinely didn't know
did you miss dozen threads Vatniks made about it?
I logged on and there is one thread at bump limit way down. Everything else is deleted.
That just means the picture was spammed. It won’t bring that destroyed challenger back
>I logged on and
> "logged on" to PrepHole
I don't know what face I when for this.
>not using logged on as a term for going online because your birth year probably starts with a 2 and you have never heard a dial up tone
There was a time, very long ago, in which looking at a website was called "logging on [to it]".
That's not the same as "loggin in" which you did (and still do) with an account on a website.
Either he is a geriatric or an ESL.
back in 2000 when i got broadband i had to login to access it every day
sometimes i still think of using the internet as going online or logging in/on
Yeah, vatmorons have been spamming it relentlessly. The jannies are on a hair trigger right now.
>Bradley's poor service record posted
>Immediate samefagging spam about Challengers
The shills are here and they want you to buy more Bradleys
Liberator of robotyne
>IFVs
>Bradley M2A2 (182) - Lost (53) - (29%) - US made
>YPR-765 (196) - Lost (48) - (24%) - US based design
>CV90 (50) - Lost (3) - (6%) - Swedish made
>KTO Rosomak (200) - Lost (1) - (0.5%) - Polish made
>Marder (40) - Lost (0) - (0%) - German made
Just a coincidence I'm sure
Higher usage of US IFVs? That's the only thing I can think of. I don't think any of the other IFVs can eat an ATGM or an artillery shell and survive, where Bradley couldn't.
You think a Bradley could eat an arty round or an atgm lol?
No that’s why he said where Bradley couldn’t. Meaning that a kornet that killed a bradley would kill any other IFV but Ukraine is using Bradleys more than any other western armor.
He typed in a fucked up way, probably esl.
It is no coincidence that the US made gear is seeing more combat. They’re just better
Have they sent the Rosomaks over yet? Or is it just announced? (Very round number provided)
100 sent over in 2023 and 100 to be sent over later
I think it's a order from a contractor rather than a donation so should arrive piecemeal
The YPR-765 is what makes it weird. It's a Dutch IFV based on the M113 so it shouldn't be heavily used like the Bradley
>It's a Dutch IFV based on the M113 so it shouldn't be heavily used like the Bradley
it has been used since Kherson
Its an American IFV variant that is as based on the M113 as the Bradley, donated by the Dutch. You're a European tourist who knows nothing about military vehicles.
We win again CV 90 bros
Rosomaks are harder to operate than bradley but prolly the msot resistant to the mines
anyone who saw them drive through goatfuckers mines in iraq knows that, so maybe they're saving them for harder pushes
When did they lose the Challenger?
Yesterday is when the first one was confirmed. Not sure when they lost it but it
BBC report that all the crew survived.
forgot pic
"Damaged" is awfully generous. But can a crew really survive the damage that we saw? Did it burn that way after the crew evacuated?
It's intact but on fire. Could well just be the engine rather than crew compartment. There is no real damage (as a cause) that's visible, so it could have caught fire later. It could have been abandoned and then shelled hours later, we just don't know.
"damaged"
>literally who quotes source
This isn’t the same as the bbc saying it. Alternatively
>British state media does damage control
That's the BBC's defence corespondent retard.
The BBC is also not state media - it's publicly funded by the license fee and the government of the day has no operational control.
So the line you are going with is the tank is only damaged and all Ceres survived because the bbc told you. That’s some pretty potent cope
Is having trustworthy press is a foreign concept to you?
The turret has been rotated to the side which is standard practice for bailing out to make life easier on the driver. The vehicle is on fire but not structurally compromised/destroyed. It's probably unlikely to return to service if that fire was in the crew compartment - because it would eventually blow up. Thick black smoke is probably rubber and diesel in the engine compartment burning which is a big job but recoverable in a workshop with appropriate supplies.
The Ukrainians say the crew survived, the evidence points to that too. There is no evidence of a catastrophic explosion that would kill the crew.
>The turret has been rotated to the side which is standard practice for bailing out to make life easier on the driver.
I hadn't even thought of this.
You are arguing against a person that doesn't know what "freedom of the press" means because they never experienced it. For them, everything that the media says is directly controlled by the state.
>Consistently top 5 most trusted news outlet in the world
Pipe down vatnik
>Challenger 2 has never been lost to enemy fire.
>1 was lost to a friendly fire incident
>Turns out the one in Ukraine was also lost to friendly fire.
kek
>massive
Just a tad hyperbolic
Anon, you're projecting again. This behavior weakens your position and makes your supervisor angry.
Do you want an angry supervisor?
>delicious cope
People usually say this when I've just delivered an argument they can't counter. Sorry if you thought hull ammo meant turret popping like a t-72
Imagine having to call everyone that states a not defeatist speculation about the state of a burning tank a "coper" because you can't fathom that a burning tank is not a complete loss like some soviet shitbox.
Those people need help, they are clearly mentally challenged and should not have access to the internet.
The tank is lost, no question about it, but I guess it can’t be written off as destroyed until it’s recovered by either side
I remember the twin towers falling down and being structurally destroyed. So far we have a fire and a spare fuel tank that's fallen off being the extent of the physical damage.
It’s a total loss
How do you know?
Sources familiar with the matter. Same as the nobody tweeter
Gotcha. Is this dude by the name Imadeit Thefuckup with you right now? I would like to know why he is being such a colossal gay.
The footage only appeared in the last 12 hours, the chances are it’s destroyed but the vehicle is likely yet to have been recovered and inspected so it’s being reported as damaged
Ukraine got Leos 1? I thought that deal got stuck
Russians are dying by the hundreds every day.
>source: my ass
>cry and kvetch about the hundreds of fresh new webms of dead Russians posted every single day
>um aktchually you have no source*~~)
I wonder which foreign supplied vehicles will get the most praise after the war. I know they really like the bushmasters so far. Anything else?
Wait, they can repair these things after a mine hit? To have the occupants alive after a hit is allready damn impressive, but repair them after a hit? That fast? Really? Those russian anti tank mines are no joke
The glowing review in the post you're replying to is just one of many. Ukrainian troops have been floored by the protection the Bradley offers, and when you consider crew survivability vs. the Soviet gear they were used to it's not hard to see it as a contender for their MVP award when the war ends.
Not unique to Bradleys.Mines are often survivable in armored vehicles.
Challenger has usually been repaired pretty quick after mine/IED blasts. The hudrogas suspension packs are far easier to swap out than a torsion bar.
IDK why people make a big deal about this. Most of those many, many videos of Russians driving into mines show obviously quite alive men jumping out of them right after, so clearly they protect people to some extent. The ones where there is cook off and the crew appears dead were mostly javelin kills or direct artillery hits. But a Bradley crew is also in grave danger with an ATGM hit and no tank is going to be good after a direct 155mm hit, nor is the crew likely to fare well.
Have you tried reading that text? He literally says any time BMP hits a mine there are casualties.
What autistic incel makes images like that?
Probably the Bradley. It’s seen the most extensive use as far as western ground vehicles go
Warriortard, how upset are you that 47th Brigade are using SACLOS MANPADS to shoot down KA-52?
>https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1699035784827826365
Germany finished restarting domestic 35mm Gepard ammo production. They just announced it. Fuck you switzerland. Fucking fuck you. Your MIC can die for all I care.
>Leopard 2A6 (21) - Lost (9) - (43%)
>Leopard 2A4 (54) - Lost (7) - (13%)
It's 3 destroyed of each the others are kist damaged.
>Anon, stop using the internet, I want to call someone!
It's neither, you tried though.
The BBC is state media. I'm sorry you've been made retarded by propaganda.
Ukraine has less manpower. The real question isn't how many toys and weapons Ukraine has. It's warm bodies. If these attacks clawing back territory cost a lot of lives then Ukraine would lose the war of attrition. It's why I'm baffled at the insistence on counter attacking.
The BBC is not funded by the government and the government have no control over it's content. Sorry that you can't understand that, but it's why the BBC is probably the most respected news organisation on the planet.
And paying the fee for the BBC is legally mandated. So it is supported by taxpayers of the class that have TVs. So it is state funded. I'm sorry your brain has rotted.
I generally trust the bbc. But it's absolutely and without a doubt state media.
>And paying the fee for the BBC is legally mandated.
Only if you use it.
The state isn't responsible for collection.
Or maybe you can't understand how the BBC works?
Pol and American politics has rotted your brain. The BBC is about as balanced as you get.
>but it's why the BBC is probably the most respected news organisation on the planet
bongs have reached a level of delusion usually reserved for Russians
The three most influential news agencies globally are the Agence France Press (AFP), Reuters, and the Associated Press
>Agence France Press
No they arent lmao
BBC didn’t even make the list kek
>The list i made in my head
I bet the daily mail did tho amirite kek RT too?
Is this a bot?
>Google search top 5 trusted news sites
>BBC in every one at varying places
Soooo you going to reply to
yeh? Nah didnt think so John Smith from Delaware
>I put more faith in al jeerza even foxnews are they are pretty trash
Americans think the BBC is better than fox or CNN, not that it's a high bar.
How can it be state media when it's not funded through taxation or by the states budget?
Are all cooperative businesses state funded?
>Its state media
>No it isnt
>Its not even trustworthy
>Yes it is
>Its state media
The circle jerk continues
Laser pig says it was set on fire deliberately to deny it to the enemy.
How can something be state media when the governments of the day have no editorial powers, no ability to sack people, no ability to alter budgets or set programing? The BBC spend most of their time playing devil's advocate and putting the opposing view to whoever they are interviewong, they do it very well. We've all seen Ben Shaorio get humiliated by a right wing presenter (Andrew neil) because he couldn't figure out how adults debate and are able to put forward arguments they don't hold.
>People go nuts when a Leopard or Challanger is destroyed
>No comment on 53 lost Bradleys
It isn’t. It’s being used more than any other western armored box and OP is counting damaged as lost
>broke the backbone of Russian main defensive line
>made Vatniks hallucinate that they still hold hold Robotyne and there's none at Verbove
>lost only 30 Bradleys destroyed and some 20 damaged
>did poorly
This isn’t based on reality. This is a coping mechanism
Is that a Challenger 2 ?
I´m sure they did really well in that offensive
thats why they fired the MoD at the end of it
and they winning an PrepHole, too
Does that mean The Russia will finally stop retreating?
>nah, they would never stop retreating
Yeah I figured
Have a nice day
>fire pocket
don't you think it's sad that you've adopted the way Russians speak, even if you do simp for them?
Do you not have pride in your own language?