Ukraine is still flying Su-25 sorties in May of 2023, 15 months into the 3 Day Special Education Operation.

Ukraine is still flying Su-25 sorties in May of 2023, 15 months into the 3 Day Special Education Operation. This is starting to raise some questions with me.
>How? Does this mean the MiG 31 can't actually perform look down shoot down against subsonic targets at long range? That's like, it's entire job.
>Why haven't the mean evil HATO aggressors sent A-10s? Yeah yeah, not designed for contested airspace, neither is the Su-25.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >look down shoot down against subsonic targets at long range
    It's not an absolute capability, it's terrain and weather dependent. That said I think we can safely assume the Mig31 is a generation or two behind current NATO gear
    >Why haven't the mean evil HATO aggressors sent A-10s? Yeah yeah, not designed for contested airspace, neither is the Su-25
    Because if you're going to take the escalatory step of sending NATO warplanes you might as well send something useful like the F16
    Nobody will pay attention to the nuance of A10 being the shittiest American bird flying

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>How? Does this mean the MiG 31 can't actually perform look down shoot down against subsonic targets at long range? That's like, it's entire job.
    How many sorties does a typical Ukrainian Su-25 last? Genuine question, I'm not sure what the number actually is.
    >>Why haven't the mean evil HATO aggressors sent A-10s? Yeah yeah, not designed for contested airspace, neither is the Su-25.
    The A-10, being slower still, is even worse in this regard. Plus, the Ukrainian pilots would need to be trained on it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How many sorties does a typical Ukrainian Su-25 last?
      I don't know, but it's not like they have an unlimited number of airframes, so for them to still be flying today seems to imply at least some level of survivability

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        A large amount of both side's sorties in this war is lobbing unguided rockets from SU25s (same way it's done with helicopters, just not getting filmed as much), so the main risk is enemy AA if you happen to get too close to the front line

        pretty much

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine is still flying Su-25 sorties in May of 2023
    Now with American 5in rockets

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      why are launchers censored?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        too lewd for a blue board

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    SU-25 has twice as much hecknin titaniumerino than an A-10. Also a lot faster as noted.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're trained on frogfoots they're not trained on A-10s

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm reminded of a cringe Rainbow Six ripoff book where for some reason the US was training Afghanis in A-10s which backfired when one of the pilots turned out to be a terrorist and decided to BRRRRT a Football stadium.

      Entire plot was stupid as frick

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have mustered up the political will to send jet then send F-16s or something better, something that can actually talk to long range air to surface or air to air weapons while maintaining some modicum of survivability and credible threat to the status of the theater
    Imagine the absolute political shitstorm when strong western jets suffers more casualties than old soviet migs while extending ukraine's air war capabilities by something negative
    i hate wartime /k/ fricking moronic tourist monkeys god FRICK how about you rub 2 of your braincells together once in a while you incredible morons

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How?
    It's actually pretty easy to avoid super advanced long range missile lobbing Russian jets when they only have a few dozen to begin with and you know exactly where they are at all times
    The A10's will never be sent because that would be too kino for this gay war

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this mean the MiG 31 can't actually perform look down shoot down against subsonic targets at long range?
    No. To hit shit you gotta be there to see it and launch. Ukraine is huge. 2 MiGs per oblast isn't nearly enough to completely deny airspace, they basically have to be in the right place and the right time to hit an Su-25 that suddenly shows up somewhere along the 1000+km front.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which will be difficult because the Ukrainian air force probably has better intelligence on Russian aircraft locations than the Russian air force has on Russian aircraft locations.
      Those NATO aircraft aren't just doing racetracks in Romanian and Polish airspace to keep their engines warm.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah Perun made it sound very bleak for ukraine. On paper Russian fighters could snipe them from range without any risk to themselves. But instead all we hear is Russian jets blowing themselves up or bombing their own.
    I wonder how many Russian fighters are even being sortied these days?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I wonder how many Russian fighters are even being sortied these days?
      A few, fly out of Crimea for sorties and Russia has been using the SU-57 deep in their borders to launch cruise missiles.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How?
    Below radar.
    >Why haven't the mean evil HATO aggressors sent A-10s?
    Ukies don't want them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't fly under an airborne radar at a distance.
      What matters is that the ground clutter is enough for the R-37 to lose track once it's about to go active.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look down generally means using pulse doppler which allows you to filter by the speed something is travelling relative to your radar, so the su25 coming towards you at 600kph + your speed shows up and the building with only your speed doesn’t. Now let’s say that you happen to be in the air, while he is in the air, heading towards you 120km away and you pick him up and fire. In the entire minute or so it’s going to take your missile to get there all he has to do is turn 90 degrees left or right and then his speed relative to your radar is the same as that house that your radar is filtering out. He could also just turn around and be outside your missiles range by the time it gets there. This is what people don’t seem to get about missile ranges, that max range you see is against a target that is behaving in the dumbest way possible, against a competent pilot who isn’t just flying in a straight line towards you unaware you’d be lucky to get 50% of that

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