>Ukraine has lost roughly 60 aircraft so far since Russia’s renewed invasion of the country in February 2022, while the Russians have lost more than 70, according to the top U.S. Air Force commander for Europe. After Russia’s larger air force failed to establish air superiority in the early days of the war, the air picture has turned into a mutually denied environment, Gen. James B. Hecker said March 6
>Head of Nato Allied Command
You can't make this shit up.
>“They’re not doing a whole lot,” Hecker said. “They can’t go over and do close air support.”
gee who knew when you have even a remotely basic AA you cant go full desert storm and think you can win?
Yes, Russians cannot into SEAD, it is well known.
Didn’t Iraq have the same AA as Russia back then? Like they bought it from Russia didnt they?!
Yes, for SHORAD Iraq used a lot of SA-8s and for the long range SAMs, they had the SA-2, pretty bad by the late 80s, SA-3, better but still, and SA-6 which were fairly lethal in the late 80s and early 90s. They didn't have SA-10s which was the newer long range Soviet SAM of the 80s. Coalition SEAD and EW were effective at dealing with the long range air defenses. I think an SA-3 and SA-6 each shot down 1 F-16 in Desert Storm. I think an SA-6 shot down 1 F-16 in Serbia as well.
For more modern use, the SA-3 and SA-6 in Syrian use has a far worse track record than it did in the 80s and 90s, likely it's just obsolete. Ukraine has reported shooting down an SU-35 with an SA-3 but with how Russia was flying SU-35s before it stopped most sorties, low and slow recon flights, that's not very surprising.
*242 ruzzian planes were shot down, and that's just visually confirmed
it was close to 796
Oldest vatnikgger trick.
Jesus even they are quoting Oryx
The abacus is the light in the darkness
Oryx lists exactly 60 Ukrainian fixed wing losses and 70 Russian fixed wing losses; adding damaged aircraft and undocumented aircraft it's a no-brainer comment
They have, extensively
It's a clever play; it wink-wink-kinda-not-really legitimises Oryx's count, which is anyway indisputable since the boy does have extensive photographic proof, and doesn't give away any of their own intel, which must certainly have a more accurate figure
it's similar to the shit the Allies used to do to hide their cracking of Enigma - reveal only what has obviously been gathered by some other recon method
>Oryx explicitly states on Twitter that aircraft losses are hardest to corroborate and real number is much higher
>US general doesn’t want to release their own estimate so uses Oryx number
>Legacy media attaches quote everywhere, saying they lost 70 aircraft
It’s remarkable to see how little war journalist can think outside the box for a second. Watching News media coverage on the war shows how pathetically shallow their analysis goes.
>hear me out
>wait for it
>both of their numbers are the same
Source on them directly quoting Oryx? He said 'over 70'. How is it impossible that his number and the '77' offered by Oryx are compatible?
Or are vatniks so buckbroken by the Turkish abacus that they will actually claim that the 3-letter orgs are legitimately using some dude in the Big Roach Motel as their guiding data set?
I was just thinking of that Airliner size aircraft filled with troops that flew over some twon and got popped out of the sky. That must have sucked to be a passenger.
at the first days of the war.
MH17 was shot down back in 2014. It was full of children.
Your vatnig animals even posed with the debris, subhuman.
Mate they are talking about a completely unrelated event to what you’re referring to. They’re referring to early war claims that an IL-76 was shot down over Ukraine during the first ~48 hours of the war, fully loaded with paras
Like so much of the info flying around during the first month of the war, it was probably only so much noise
You mean the made up story by Ukraine? Thanks for reminding us of the lies.
>Oryx has 77 destroyed and damaged Russian aircrafts in his lists
American generals are useless, holy fuck
Never gonna tire of posting this at vatmorons that are butthurt about Oryx providing a reliable and trustworthy minimum count of equipment losses.
I've never seen that before, and it's just so beautiful. Succinct, elegant, and self-contained.
The pro-RuAF partisans were absolutely foaming at the mouth over Oryx a few weeks back: "not trustworthy! it's all been disproven! those were actually Ukranian! AI-generated!", just spraying any possible accusation to try and disprove all those meticulously documented photos.
>I've never seen that before
It was relatively early in Oryx's 2022 career
>it's just so beautiful. Succinct, elegant, and self-contained
Oryx hit the perfect level of snark with that one
American defense procurement flex thread. Shills powerless itt
What’s with these ludicrously small estimates? If our top brass is claiming such low losses how do they account for the seemingly small amount of aircraft we see present now in comparison to the skies constantly having sorties of mig’s flying by in the begining of the war? Does this guy think Russia still has 3k+ aircrafts just sitting around doing nothing as the volkstrum and penal troops are thrown into the meatgrinder? I swear we have too much money to just throw at glorified desk jockies
the main problem in ukraine is the weather they arent being called uk of the east for nothing
laser guidance is useless 90% of the time since its overcast and they cant fly below cloud base because they gonna get shot down by manpads
jdams require pinpoint gps coor which again cant be aquired reliably on this war for cas/cap
>cant be aquired reliably on this war
gps is constantly jammed in the majority of ukraine and some parts of moldova
(at least that was the case 5 months ago as per fr24)
I thought I'd read that GPS wasn't universally jammed but whitelisted based on UUID of the endpoint device or something -- it's a means that the US government can use to allow only friendly devices to use it while seeding unapproved devices with bad info. M777 Excalibur rounds make use of GPS, correct?
is there any proof that the excalibur rounds ever made it to ukraine in the first place?
Excalibur is GPS-guided but also has an inertial navigation system for use in GPS-denied environments. They've been in use for quite a bit, vid very related.
and russia can't even hit the same field with their prescision munitions
>Does this guy think Russia still has 3k+ aircrafts just sitting around doing nothing as the volkstrum and penal troops are thrown into the meatgrinder?
you do need to have a contingency plan for the case Putin would really feed +1 million Russians to certain death just to lure us into false sense of security
>What’s with these ludicrously small estimates?
They are citing Oryx. The state of military "intelligence"
As other not retarded people have pointed out, america is not going to reveal its own military intelligence capabilities regarding its knowledge of adversaries during conflict, not to some civilian journo looking for a headline.
Real numbers attached. This man may well have said something maybe he means sir to air or something else but some fucking vatmoron is definitely twisting it because they Russians have lost over 300 fixed wing aircraft and a similar number of helicopters, far far more than 70.
American mobilization in Poland and new NATO states have secured most of Western Europe. It's not only troops, but the most advanced AA tech, nuclear missile launch sites, and the modern US military in the area now.
It absolutely doesn't matter what other bullshit ruskoids claim, the fact that they don't have air superiority against poorest nation 1/10th their size is so fucking funny, it makes them objectively clown country.
name a single country that went up against decent AD and won
The United States of America.
>claim youre 2nd military in the world, at worst
>can’t even establish SEAD over a country the size of mexico, a non-NATI ally at that
The allies agaisnt germany.
The US had air superiority in Vietnam despite the significant contestation by a peer
The US in Iraq, twice
The UK did pretty well in contested airspace over the falklands
Even the fucking arabs did better during the early air offensives in the Yom Kippur war
The Russians, meanwhile, lost 6-8 aircraft to air defense when assaulting fucking Georgia for about a week. And those were all friendly fire - shot down by Russian anti air systems because they are so bad at combined arms the branches didn’t even fucking communicate with each other, and the air defense had no idea there were friendly sorties and had no means to check with the air forces. This lead to the Russian Air Force refusing to fly sorties later in the war
The soviet union was providing Vietnam with advanced AD but yet america was still able to maintain air dominance. Iraq had the most sophisticated AD at the time and Baghdad was considered to be the most fortified city against aircrafts.
>Iraq had the most sophisticated AD at the time and Baghdad was considered to be the most fortified city against aircrafts.
Desert Storm was based but get the fuck out of here with that. Iraq was nowhere close to having the best AD at that time, either in quantity or technology. It was decent for the middle east but that's it. Comparable to like Turkey or Pre-civil war Syria. All they had was a shitload of active servicement and a mixed bag of goodies sold to them by the US and USSR beforehand.
>It was decent for the middle east
It was literally the best AD in the Middle East
>but that's it. Comparable to like Turkey or Pre-civil war Syria
>mixed bag of goodies sold to them by the US and USSR
Mostly USSR tied together by a French-built IADS, the American stuff was ancillary