Ukraine getting Polish MIG-29 in coming days

https://defence24.com/geopolitics/four-now-more-to-go-poland-sends-mig-29-fighters
At first it's gonna be 4 fighters with spare parts and logistical support with plan on transferring all of them to Ukraine in the nearby future. Wil it be the same as with tanks? First ex-soviet NATO countries giving their stuff then we will see F-16?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    is mig 29 even any good or is it yet another outdated piece of trash that has some potjemkin capabilty like "supermanouverability" which is completely irrelevant, while having awful radars and bad munitions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Depends if they integrated western missiles.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Poland was conducting integration of western missiles with MIG-29 and it was possible but at the end it was concluded that the whole cost of integration will be too much for just couple of ex-soviets jets to be able to use western missiles. There is still technical documentation of trying to integrate it with AGM-88 HARM and AIM-120, Ukrainian jets firing HARMs was probably achieved thanks to these technical documents Poland did while trying to integrating it way back in the past. Wouldn't be surprised if the integration process in Poland was renewed for the past year so that these MIGs given to Ukraine can use western missiles.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's a bad jet with crappy R-27s but having jet > not having jet.

      Poland was conducting integration of western missiles with MIG-29 and it was possible but at the end it was concluded that the whole cost of integration will be too much for just couple of ex-soviets jets to be able to use western missiles. There is still technical documentation of trying to integrate it with AGM-88 HARM and AIM-120, Ukrainian jets firing HARMs was probably achieved thanks to these technical documents Poland did while trying to integrating it way back in the past. Wouldn't be surprised if the integration process in Poland was renewed for the past year so that these MIGs given to Ukraine can use western missiles.

      There is no evidence of real integration of HARM into the MiG, which would be a big ask, but there is indication of HARM missing, which suggests it's a wholly separate system flying only in per-briefed mode probably programmed via tablet. The fact that they quickly added it to the Ukrainian Flanker at the same time is also suggestive it's just a bolt-on.
      Ukraine will never fire an AIM-120 from a MiG-29, and will continue to be outclassed in the air until the arrival of western jets.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >crappy R-27
        lol
        topkek

        is mig 29 even any good or is it yet another outdated piece of trash that has some potjemkin capabilty like "supermanouverability" which is completely irrelevant, while having awful radars and bad munitions

        It's soviet, so it's designers actually knew what they're doing and had more than one braincell for the entire team. How outdated it is, is a whole other question, but since russian planes are not that far technologicaly from soviet, MiG-29 are absolutely enough

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          All rusians aa missiles are shit, mayby r37 is good but rest is shit. Try to maintain solid radar lock for that soviet r27 when AIM 120 is allready in Pitbull mode.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            R-27 is not russian, it's soviet. And it had several updates.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, eat shit moron. All rusians kills are from r77 or r37. Russians cant get 250 h of flight time per year, without bvr fight they are like arab pilots, morons in expensive shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Every Russian aircraft is an outdated piece of trash. It sucks even compared to the incredibly underwhelming SU-35.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's crap but they can fly it without any training since they had them earlier.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its outdated but having outdated one beats having none. Also russian isn't USA or China so gap will be smaller.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >or China
        >implying that chink fighters aren't just another chink paper tiger

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          FFS, and Thailand preferred this shit to our Oplots? I get it, their production was slow, but what's better, 50 reliable modern tanks or 500 self-dissasembling chink T-72 knockoffs?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's like this, Biplanes suck, but if your enemy is also flying them then they still have an important value

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Desperately outdated and very short ranged. An old point defense light fighter forced to do things it was never designed for. It's simply an awful plane but there are no alternatives. I only hope it took this long to send them over because they were being modernized to some degree, but who am I kidding they probably weren't.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has better planes but it still can be useful to engage enemy drones/helis/tactical bombers

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Short range, fast, maneuverable front line point defense/interceptor fighter. Depending on how old the model they use is, it varies from "bad and outdated" to "historical museum piece".
      The A variant has a bad radar and 4 fox 1 missiles. They have R27s and a helmet mounted off boresight cueing system so they're not total dogshit closeup but they'll never survive long enough to get close anyway.
      Other than that, no datalink, no digital systems of any kind, no fly by wire, no modern navigation, pure analogue 1970's vintage stuff. I don't think they even have radar warning receivers that can ID aircraft. Even though Russian jets are quite bad they outclass a base model MiG29 massively.

      As soon as you add the extra fuel, avionics and radar required to make it a better jet you compromise the maneuverability which is the last thing it has going for it.
      It still looks fricking cool though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        R73's*

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And R-27 too. Typical Ukrainian loadout in AA role is 4 R-73 and 2 R-27

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, it already has radar, from the very beginning
        >1970's
        80s and 90s, actually, with small inclusions of 00s in modernized versions. Datalink and digital systems are very much within modernization possibilities. It does have fly by wire. Do I even have to continue? You don't know shit about this plane.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It does have fly by wire
          The Fighter Pilot Podcast just released a former Patron exclusive episode with an American pilot who flew the East German MiG-29s, and he said there was no fly by wire - just stability augmentation.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, there are different kinds of fly by wire. 29 has it in the original meaning, "electronic interface", but doesn't think for pilot. How is this bad?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              No. There's one kind of fly by wire. When your control inputs are translated into data, and that data is used to move the control surfaces.
              It has nothing to do with the amount of thinking the computer does. In fact, you could have "dumb" fly by wire. It's just that you'd break most jet fighters without restrictions.
              The "wire" just means electronic impulses are used for control, rather than mechanical linkages. In mechanical controls, your stick actually pulls either on cables that move the control surfaces through pulleys, or uses hydraulics to increase the force output. You can have computer assisted mechanical control. But that's not fly by wire, because there's no "wire". It's all mechanical.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well, then 29 has fly by wire

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No it doesn't, because the MiG-33 was specifically a Russian 90s project to give the 29 FBW.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >t.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >NYOOOOH, WE NEEDED THOSE ANTIQUES FOR THE PROSPECTIVE WAR IN 2040!!!
    >we need to keep all the cope junk from soviet era in perpetuity so maintenance eats military funds and we don't have to spend on anything new 🙂
    Stul kurwa ryja, debilu

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Grzegorz Brzeczyszczykiewicz from Lekolody Oblast, and I fully agree. We need to stop supporting nazi Banderites from Kiev in their aggression against Russia.

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