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Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has reaffirmed his country’s refusal to transfer its advanced long-range Russian-built S-400 air defense missile systems to Ukraine — which could really do with them right now.

"The U.S. asked us to send the S-400s to Ukraine, and we said no," said Cavusoglu on May 7.

In December, Russia warned Greece against potentially supplying Ukraine with its S-300PMU-1 systems, which are much older and less advanced than the Turkish S-400. Moscow invoked prior bilateral intergovernmental agreements and prohibitions on unauthorized transfers to third parties in that warning. Athens subsequently ruled out transferring those missiles after briefly having contemplated it.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There may be another way Turkey could help Ukraine significantly bolster its air defenses. In March, the chairman of Turkey's Aselsan missile manufacturer boasted Turkey was eliminating the need for S-400s by developing the indigenous Siper system, which Ankara plans to offer for export. Tested in December, the Siper can hit targets over 60 miles away.

    Turkey supplied Ukraine with approximately 50 Bayraktar TB2 drones after Russia's February 2022 invasion. When Moscow objected, Ankara stressed that the transfers were between the private company which produces the TB2 and Kyiv and therefore did not technically constitute state-to-state arms sales. It could invoke similar technicalities over any future Siper sale to Ukraine.

    By supplying Ukraine with the Siper, Turkey would also have a unique opportunity to assess the system's effectiveness on a modern battlefield.

    While the Siper certainly won't be ready for export in time for Ukraine's looming counteroffensive, they could help bolster the country's air defenses down the road, which could still make a difference if this costly war drags on for the foreseeable future.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can never understand turkish cope
      You realize your government bought and is not letting go of their s400 because they want to ride the line between west and russia, right? so why would you ever think your government would sell s400 copies to be used against russia?
      and the bayraktar is a different story because russia has nothing to do with the bayraktar. and since it effectively has the same usefulness as a javelin, it was hardly any kind of gamechanger.
      I get that erdogan's bullshit fills you with hope, you the reality is the turkey is the NATO leper.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are really moronic thinking the US would still go ahead with selling F-35s after the S-400 purchase because russian engineers are regularly on Turkish bases when they need to inspect/repair the S-400.

        Also, the S-400 is overrated russian braggadocio shit, you might as well call it S-300PMU3, they literally admitted that the name was just a marketing shtick. Sure it's better than the S-300 but only in the form of a "DLC" not as a "new game".
        https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/12/10/heres-why-four-regiments-of-russian-s-400-air-defense-system-failed-to-detect-soviet-era-tu-141/

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    hold on for 3 more days ukiebros. having a little existential crisis rn

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is Turkey’s problem in general?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      they want to recrate the ottoman empire

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That looks too "humble" for turks autists, I've seen some of them claiming picrel as "historic tuckish lands".

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >all the lands that have ever been inhabited by brown stinky people are tvrkish
          >not france tho

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldnt touch france with a 10ft pole
            >t.urk

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Tell your friends to leave then. Thanks.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        According to Ataturk the Ottoman Empire was not a Turkish country and instead was an imperial state from which Turks had to fight for independence, same as any other nation.
        The founding father of the Turkish nation explicitly postulated that there is no continuity of state between Ottomans and Turkyie.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you missed the cue, Erdogan dedicated his entire career attempting to dismantle Kemalism, so it doesn't matter they larp as an extinct empire again

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's full of turks

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      bazaar type dictator that haggles with every direction all at once. kind of like belarus before luka sold his ass to monke to save himself in 2020

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        this, if turkey demuslified itself and droped all of those Aegean sea claims it would become a functioning democracy and it could unironicaly rival china in all areas but bugmenisim

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >When Turkey drops all their interests and act according to my interest, then they would redeem themselves.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of the most sane decisions they've made to not transfer s400. They literally have no lther air defense.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except that if they did the USA would probably let them have f35s

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're playing a balancing game between NATO and Russia but they actually don't want Russia near their borders or around Black Sea.

      I think Turkey logic is:
      1) Prevent Kurdish autonomy by the Kurds they don't like near their borders.
      2) Prevent Russia from getting too close to Turkish borders.
      3) Claim eastern Med rights and don't allow Greek run government in Cyprus.
      4) Threaten Greece for bonus internal politics points.

      It's pretty basic actually and I have to say I don't think it's inconsistent or anything. Think of it this way:
      - Russia engages in Georgia, Turks support the Georgian government.
      - US asks Turkey to deliver goodies for the Syrian rebels, they comply happily (Operation Timber Sycamore) and shoot down a Russian plane.
      - US decides to support the Kurds instead, Turkey gets S-400 to stick it to the man.
      - Internal politics get hot, they threaten Greece during elections season because it's popular.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they think that the S-400 was a better deal than the F-35? Is the S-400 that good? I doubt it. The Turks missed out, big time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Difference maker was, russia allowed them to do whatever they want whereas f35s would essentially be under US control, meaning they couldn't just decide to bomb syria one day without US approval.
      S400 absolutely doesn't make up for lack of F35s but Sovereignty is important

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hello moron.
        >you're probably some thirdie argie-shitier

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nice arguement

          Except that if they did the USA would probably let them have f35s

          See

          Difference maker was, russia allowed them to do whatever they want whereas f35s would essentially be under US control, meaning they couldn't just decide to bomb syria one day without US approval.
          S400 absolutely doesn't make up for lack of F35s but Sovereignty is important

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t. room temperature iq

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Again, why are Greeks and Turks in NATO?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      strategically important land

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Greeks
      WTF did the Greeks do to you? Exist? 2 of the biggest naval bases in the Med are not enough?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whay are a bunch of strategically important non-communist countries that were threatened by the warsaw pact members of nato?

      Gee, i just cant work it out, i guess its just a mystery

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey is probably one of NATO's most important members

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because if they WEREN'T in NATO, their politicians would be Putin's butt buddies to an even greater extent than they are as part of NATO

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, it’s like both nations have border issues with their neighbors and communist bullshitery on top of their geographic relevance.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Turks really wanted to be in NATO because historically Russia does have some ambitions to go south so they even joined the Korean war. However, it would have been very inconvenient if Greece got close to Russia or if Turkey got into some stupid fight with Greece. So they both joined at the same time. US even used Turkey to trigger Russia with the Jupiter missiles which basically led to the Cuban missile crisis. So it was a strategic location and having them both prevents NATO commitment to either side in case of some small skirmishes (for example invasion of Cyprus).

      Modern days I think it's much more useful to have Turkey and Greece in NATO than allow them to get close to Russia. It doesn't really cost anything to keep them but it allows NATO some interesting tactical advantages considering their location. Also big boy armies, even Greece fields larger army than Germany.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is stupid at one moment in time NATO is b***hing about turkish purchase of S-400
    Now they are b***hing them to give it to ukies

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Giving the S-400s would be borderline pointless in a full-scale war because the ammo is limited. Turkey didn't buy them just to fricking give them away. They're for protecting domestic skies.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      S-400 is just for the personal protection of erDOGan against F-16s. There are like 300-400 missiles in inventory at best. And during in an actual war, either the Russian backdoors won't let the system work properly or it will run out of missiles fast.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he Russian backdoors won't let the system work properly

        imagine believing this, moron

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the Russian backdoors won't let the system work properly
        Pretty sure Ukraine has been using S-300

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If erdogan loses the election the other candidate will probably send them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If erdogan loses the election the other candidate will probably send them
      No he won't, and he won't even raise a finger to Russia either.

      Which explains why Erdogan is getting a lot of 'discrete' help from Moscow with the upcoming election. Of course they will support their best friend in NATO.

      >Which explains why Erdogan is getting a lot of 'discrete' help from Moscow with the upcoming election. Of course they will support their best friend in NATO.
      You're moronic. Turkey's been at war with Russia longer than anybody, both across the last 400 years and since the early 2010s. Literally only NATO state to shootdown a Russian jet in 2015, proposed joint NATO patrols in the Black Sea in early 2016, and have been countering Russia in Syria, Libya, South Caucasus and Ukraine alike—and one of a handful of states to supply weapons to Ukraine before 2022 while others scoffed or outright sold weapons to Russia or worked with it.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Which explains why Erdogan is getting a lot of 'discrete' help from Moscow with the upcoming election. Of course they will support their best friend in NATO.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does the US not have enough Patriots or something? Sending Ukraine air defense equipment seems like one of the most easy to justify moves. Send more Pats and some Avengers. I am sort of surprised the US has nothing else aside from Aegis and THAAD. Seems very heavy on missile defense but only one, expensive, old SAM system.

    But if Ukraine is reliant on Euros or Russian gear for air defense, then it could be a long run problem. Any big push they get going can get fricked by Russia hurling air assets at it as they leave their umbrella like during the Kharkiv offensive.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Patriot is more a "brand" than a fixed system. Like the F-16 or F-35, they get updated continously without a name change.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia warned Greece

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Recall Turkey asked the US for Patriots during their adventure in Syria. Also recall that Turkey bought the S-400 and fricked themselves out of the F-35 program as a result.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Recall Turkey asked the US for Patriots during their adventure in Syria.
      Turks have been asking for Patriots even before that. If you look at their military equipment they have a severe lack of medium-high altitude air defense besides interceptors. It's just that US doesn't want to give them Patriots but they also ask for a lot, like they want to basically produce them locally under license while having option to develop it into their own version.

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