The offensive in the North and the encirclement of Isjum is a repeat of operation Fridericus 2 (22-25.june.1942)
goal:
>destroy the front around isjum : check
>North from kupjansk and south thrust to isjum: check
>undetected preparation and gathering of troops: check
>faint offensive somewhere else: check
>overwhelming mechanized force: check
>penetrate 50km beyond front lines: check
>capture field general during failed breakout: check
>encirclement of large portion of troops: check
>destroy huge amounts of vehicles and tanks: check
>minimal losses: check
>capture 20 000 pows: (you are here)
>strategic gains mark a very good starting point for the summeroffensive in 1942: to be continued
https://codenames.info/operation/fridericus-ii/
The russians did not learn the lesson 70 years ago, now it happens again.
looks identical
Nice
What's a ground line of communication?
Cable, road, rail, courier.
It’s Clausewitz’s term for what regular people today call a supply line. it has less to do with talking than it does with logistics, especially in the context of an invader
"Pushing forward in rain, the III Panzerkorps advanced half of the way to Kupyansk on the first day and began to turn three divisions, with Generalmajor Wilhelm von Apell’s 22nd Panzerdivision in the lead, toward the south. The XLIV Corps seized a bridgehead over the Donets river. During the morning of the following day, however, all along the front between Kupyansk in the north and Izyum in the south, Soviet units were on the march to the east in the direction of the Oskol river. Overrunning some of these retreating units, Generalleutnant Hans-Valentin Hube’s 16th Panzerdivision entered the north-western part of Kupyansk by the fall of night. Late in the afternoon of 24 June, as it drove to the south, the 22nd Panzerdivision met the leading elements of Generalleutnant Erich Diestel’s 101st leichte Division advancing to the north, at Gorokhovatka on the Oskol river to the north-east of Izyum, and 'Fridericus II' had been completed."
Now the russians can claim ukies use nazi tactics. Because they copy pasted one.
So what do you think the summer offensive will look like?
Will the Russians even last that long?
I'm starting to get worried the Russian army will collapse before the Chechens are ready. They won't be able to get much payback.
Btw at the same time the siege of sevastopol was startet wich ended in the capture of the city.
See, they really are nazis
soon we will see pictures like this:
pows captured in the encirclement.
imagine the cheap laborforce
>the ultimate humilation
lol
well let me give you a glipse of the future. The encirclement of izume was the starting point for future gains in the east.
NATO and Ukrainian Backed Chechen War 3 when?
well zelensky said that they have to support chechnya because they fight the same fight.
That operation resultet in:
"The operations completed the virtual destruction of the South-West Front as an effective formation"
Here we go
This time russian piggies will lose Volgograd because Lend lease is now not on their side anymore
The key here is that Ukraine needs to invade Russia. Belgorod should be on the table.
I feel that at this point the commanders there are just plain trolling russia
If it works it works
I'm very happy that I can experience this moment in history with you guys.
The real Ukraine War was the friends and dead Russians we made along the way.
To think we actually got a sustained peer conflict in our lifetimes. I've been waiting to share this moment with you morons for almost two decades.
Time be a flat circle after all
Russia have been tieing up troops in the North and Ukraine has no real chance of liberating the Donbas.
Russia is accumulating more forces to (what i think) will be a second major offensive like what we saw in February - a second push to Kiev, but from the south
>pic
The cope has started. What troops mate. They lack personell already. They need volunteers. No way they can overpower a mobalised ukraine anymore. That shit has sailed. There is simply nothing left to overpower the dug in positions anymore. And dont you think the ukrainians dont have intel on that? thats right at NATOs doorstep.
It's gone into delusional/fantasy territory already
>american SWAP police special forces
Literally the only SF grade SWAT team there is is Dallas.
And SWAT isn't used remotely like SOBR. Mostly because they're ACTUALLY POLICE and not paramilitary.
Frickin vatniks thinking evenryone thinks like them. In reality, the vatnik doesn't think at all. Which is why they send cops to a fricking warzone.
>they send cops
thugs*
ftfy
Same difference.
Paramilitaries have higher standards than burger SWAT.
Most of them aren't anything special at all. I've shot and trained with some. Dallas has fricking moronic standards and pulls the most bonkers shit. They act more like a SOBR unit than most other SWAT. They like to show up to a lot of the special forces training competitions, and they generally do well. Used a bomb robot to kill a spree shooter once. Not afraid to shoot at people from the back of a moving truck at highway speeds. Crazy frickers. It's why I said Dallas SWAT specifically.
NASA SWAT goes hard
>Russia vs Ukraine manpower
you gotta be kidding me
considering this is the same intel that said that afganistan would hold the line
its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops. Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
Russia preemptively took out all Ukraines major critical infrastructure and they are barely catching its breath. Ukraine has no airpower/doesnt control the air
Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014, do you not think at least something was anticipated? Maybe anticipated brutal CQB like every other war they've fought since forever?
>its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops
fricking mass mobilize and declare war already moron
it's politics, why isnt Afghanistan called a war?
but from what i've heard from them directly:
its a special operation because they aren't indiscriminately shelling enemy holdouts. They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.
They are literally trying to liberate Ukraine, each part becoming it's own republic/whatever they chose. It all goes back to 2014, but its Russian history so probably like 1914
Vietnam isnt called a war. They are volunteer only at this point because it's not a war, but its tough fighting
>it's politics, why isnt Afghanistan called a war?
it was called a war
many times, even by the gov't.
So was the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan, even though that too was trying to prop up a gov't that wasn't wanted.
>its a special operation because they aren't indiscriminately shelling enemy holdouts. They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.
It's amazing, every fricking part of that statement is incorrect
or are the Russians so fricking incompetent that they chose to send cruise missiles at the mall and somehow think Mariupol was acceptable collateral, among other cities and settlements.
>They are literally trying to liberate Ukraine, each part becoming it's own republic/whatever they chose.
They set the date of Nov 4 for the Duma to vote on annexing the romp states Russia has propped up with GRU, even though the referendums in those regions were pushed back or cancelled, as well as attempted to issue Russian passports to the people there even though they are supposed to be "independent."
>Vietnam isnt called a war. They are volunteer only at this point because it's not a war, but its tough fighting
It literally was a war, technically 3 wars. One against France, one against the US, and one against China.
>it was called a war
no its not man, there hasnt been a war declared since ww2. so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying.
>Mariupol
that was a major 'terrorist' holdout, dont expect anything nice in war, but per Russia - they are trying to keep things intact
>They set the date of Nov 4
i will be waiting for the end of the war, the politics mean nothing but to the people living there.
>so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying
this means nothing in russia's current situation
they are in a war now, whether they or you want to acknowledge it or not.
>that was a major 'terrorist' holdout, dont expect anything nice in war, but per Russia - they are trying to keep things intact
what I read
>We wanted to keep the city intact but there were defenders against our liberation, so frick them.
>i will be waiting for the end of the war, the politics mean nothing but to the people living there.
Have fun with waiting, Ukraine is liberating the land Russia illegally invaded and occupied.
>no its not man, there hasnt been a war declared since ww2. so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying.
Jesse what the frick are you talking about
It's a congress technicality. The last war that we actually "formally" declared war on was the Axis during WWII. And that's because Congress called for it.
You are moronic, my friend. My condolences.
not that guy, and I don't think he's who you were originally responding to, but the vatnik's "point" is essentially a whataboutism about the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan- which ignored my initial point that even if there is "politically" no war, there is still a war and the Russians really aught to mobilize and fricking take it seriously.
Sure the was no "Official" war in Vietnam of Afghanistan- but we still had a troop surge (multiple) for afghanistan, and we had to reinstate the draft for 'nam, and no one in either war was under any fricking delusion that it wasn't a war.
There was an official war, what the frick are you talking about? Is this some sovereign citizen tier garbage about how the title of the bills declaring war wasn't "Declaration of War"
I'm saying the guy's argument boils down to that, yes.
It is moronic.
Declaring an actual war has been made pretty difficult by international agreements.
Technically speaking if Russia actually declared a war, the other countries would be forced to choose a side, or forced to stay out of the thing(including trade ect).
Russia saying "special operation" is the same as the US technically not calling korea, vietnam. afganistan 'wars'
that is not a point because i never said people werent dying
God I'm not sure what part of
"We called and still call them wars"
you do not fricking understand
You don't seem to be able to parse simple fricking english, are being intentionally obtuse, or are actually intellectually disabled.
"there is no point" because you are unable or unwilling to actually enage with anything anyone has said.
They are and they will.
ur just autist mad unironically, sorry to hear.
Take a breathe and read my post again
I can't we called it the War in Afghanistan instead of the Afghanistan War. What terrible deceit by Washington!
>They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities
>They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.
Thats not the story that we've been told by the afghanis. They said something about nuking villages with sticks of 2000-pounders.
Your first mistake was taking anything Afghanis say seriously, you are in good company
>Mr Ghani told him that “he was prepared to do that, but if the Taliban wouldn’t go along, he was ready to fight to the death,” Mr Blinken said. “And the very next day, he fled Afghanistan.”
>its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops.
Do it then.
> Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
The US wouldn't be fricking around with a 'special military operation'. We'd call it a fricking war, fire up the draft, and fricking drown whoever pissed us off. Anything that can be handled with a couple dozen operators instead, will be.
>Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014, do you not think at least something was anticipated?
They anticipated Georgia 3.
>Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
Honestly? If USA got most of its professional forces wiped out in fricking Mexico and started sending untrained convicts to frontlines while armed with WW2 era shit, I think USA could probably not muster enough troops to make difference.
There's literally not enough english speaking people on the planet to make such a shitshow work.
As Russia is learning now.
>ukraine has no airpower
homie stfu. You are embarrassing yourself
>ghost of kyiv
Where are all your S-300s Ivan
Oh right. Shot to shit by HARMs launched from the MiGs they don't have.
natobucks wont save you, and they havent
>no airpower
>webmrel
If they had no airpower th Russian air defense wouldn't be getting ventilated by HARMs
the only thing they are capable of is harassment of forces, there is no major battle happening with a huge ukrainian airforce battle sorry
So what you're saying is that the Ukrianians have an airforce, that it is operating to good effect and that the Russinas have failed to gain air superiority.
Let’s not forget, Ukraine’s non-existent navy and how russia lost a missile cruiser to it.
>Ukraine’s non-existent navy and how russia lost a missile cruiser to it.
NATO submarine attack
Not just a missile cruiser, but the literal linchpin to their entire navy's AA umbrella. With literally two rockets, Ukraine defeated Russia's entire naval force in that region.
Rent free in your head until the day you die
>RENT FREE
>Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014
Really showed with their spectacular flawless logistics during the first few weeks of the invasion.
underrated lel
The cope is sizzling
Pure fantasy
enjoy this vintage encirclement plan
They won't need to be encircled
>pic
You surprise attack from south
simultaneously engaging the North, preventing an organized retreat by the Ukrainians.
Shell and advance fast in the south with 'overwhelming' mechanized force + air strikes to Kyiv
Backing at least half of the Ukrainian army in the North behind/infront of the Dnieper. No major pushes in the north needed. Just a concentration of force.
but what do i know, im just a random guy
The fact that the UA is able to penetrate so far around the now Izyum salient demonstrates that you do not have the fricking troops to do two offensives while holding ground, let alone the fricking mech infantry; you do not have enough troops to run two fricking defensives.
You aren't just a random guy, you're a random moron
>Izyum salient
they wont need to take anything there realistically, just keep the army occupied while the real offensive starts in the south.
everything in the north since Russia left Kyiv is a back and forth
>no troops
>no mechs
>two defensives
All i see is you listing problems for Ukraine. Ukraine is running on full force while Russia is still using volunteers.
It's not clear that russia can equip and maintain anything more than a relatively small volunteer force.
its not clear because Russia is Russia during wartime, how it should be.
They have the GDP, their own currency and some trade partners. I wouldn't be so dismissive
>They have the GDP, their own currency and some trade partners. I wouldn't be so dismissive
Their trade partners are Iran and North Korea. Their currency can't buy the hardware they need to make new modern hardware. Their factories cannot keep up with CURRENT demand, let alone the increased demands of a general offensive.
they have literally a single factory for AFVs
Russia never actually fully destroyed the UAF, and they've gotten a lot of MiGs.
Last month HIMARS strikes started hitting airbases in Crimea, resulting in assets being shuffled around. Now this wasn't the biggest asset to russian AD, it was missiles, but it those towards the front have been hit with HIMARS, and mysteriously some of the longer range systems started getting hit by missiles without UAF aircraft in the sky (it has been theorized that Ukraine somehow modified AGM-88ER Anti-radiation missiles from HIMARS, or used LASMs to hit static positions).
All this meant more shuffling of AD assets, and come to the Kherson Offensive, UAF is hitting russian systems around Kherson, though they aren't penetrating too deep into the airspace. They are using AGM-88s here, and hitting deeper targets with the AGM-88ERs that have longer range. A lot of what Russian Air Defence has been trying to intercept there are these missiles, and not aircraft.
russian moron
>you do not have the fricking troops
Correction.
They do not have:
The troops
The tanks
The fuel
The munitions
The C4 capability
The counter-battery capability
to pull any of that off against a fully mobilized and western-armed AFU.
To put this into perspective, Russia is trying to buy NORTH KOREAN heavy ammunition stockpiles because they literally do not have the ability to keep up with their own needs and are resorting to backfilling with decades old, half-dud Nork ammo just to keep their guns running and all their shit is so old it still runs on the same ammo. I would not be fricking surprised if they make a deal with Ryu Kyong-su to bring the rest of their T-62Ms out of mothballs just because they're fricking used to it. In addition, it has been revealed that thanks to western artillery detection radars and lower officer initiative and authority according to a western style doctrine, Ukrainian counter-battery fire take approximately 45 sections to engage. According to Russian accounts, their own counter-battery efforts take an average of half an hour or more to finally receive the final order to fire. Russian aviation continues to play a limited role and Ukrainian aviation grows bolder by the day due to both a consistent failure of Russian forces to engage and destroy Ukrainian anti-aircraft elements by any possible means available to them, which continues to atrit and deny airspace to Russian aviation, and increasingly effective SEAD efforts by UAF Wild Weasels successfully suppressing Russian SAMs. GMLRS and Excalibur are increasingly denying Russian aviation any access to their most forward airbases. Crimea is now bereft of combat aircraft because they're all in artillery range now. I don't believe for one second that they don't have ATACMS. All of their supply lines are now cut. Ammunition stockpiles are now only what they currently have in place; they are being consumed and destroyed outright by the day.
They have nothing left for an offensive.
Have fun supplying your "overwhelming mechanised force" across the blown-up Dniepr bridges, moron.
>but what do i know, im just a fricking idiot who doesn't understand jack shit
FTFY
>what is combat engineering
A bunch of poor fricks who get blown up trying to put pontoons in the water.
Do we need to post the video of those beans getting pasted ON one of your precious pontoons?
Something Russians can't do.
Your "overwhelming' mechanized force" will have to stop to Pontoon ever river, that gives Ukraine a day to blast your force with Artillery and Rockets.
You overwhelming' mechanized force will need an even more overwhelming' congested force of logistics vehicles following it. No Fuel your tanks are useless.
Russia tried the overwhelming' mechanized force attack last February, they threw 30 tanks in mass assaults, it meant nothing because Ukraine just blew up the fuel trucks and supporting vehicles and picked them off in ambushes.
And they'll do it again.
Operating that deep within Ukraine means Russian airpower will not be able to effectively protect the assault. And you want to waste your time on Air Strikes on Kyiv.
Yes you're a random stupid guy.
This is it boys, its over. It was all one long feint this entire time. Russia is already halfway to Kyiv. Oikraine overextended. Its over.
then luka will attack from belarus with his 200,000 strong army and the hidden reserves in troonystria will exit their bunkers and seize lyiv, cutting ukraine off from hato supplies, its over ukrops
This will work if and only if Putolini can use draftees. Russia's professional army is way too small for any of this. They started with 190k, and have lost over 48k to death, and an unknown amount to casualties. They can hold onto the DPR with that army, but that's it.
Russian shills will say it's "fake propaganda, are you on droogz?"
>Ukraine: Guys we're gonna take back Kharkiv
>We're gonna do it
>We're preparing for like a month and a half now
>It's gonna be slow and methodical, but it will be safe
>Hang tight guys, this is gonna be a slog
>Russia: *moves a shitton of units from everywhere else to reinforce, it doesn't help*
>Ukraine:Sorry did we say slow methodical small-unit offensive in Kharkiv
>What we actually meant was Desert Storm 3 to encircle Izium and destroy a third of the Russian Army
>Sorry about the map gore we'll fix it in a week
I did not see this coming AT ALL and I'm fricking loving it.
>Kharkiv
>Kharkiv
Fricking moron I am
Meant Kherson
ngl never saw it coming either, I'm shocked they had this much men and equipment sitting and ready to go by izyum and zero hints about it
I had my suspicions based on how loud the Ukranians were being about it. That raised my eybrows a bit but going for Kherson still seemed reasonable. I still didn't see Kharkiv coming, if you told me a few weeks ago it was a diversion and asked me to guess what the real target was I would've guessed they were going for Metilpol with Kherson still being a secondary target.
they are pushing to leyman. They are doing it. They are pushing their shit in. Its gonna be a repeat.
Crossing the river uncontested since troops are pulling back. Reclaiming the river.
pushing north trapping supporting forces travelling to the west.
and cutting the only option out of iziume across the swamp
This fighting needs to end, soviet and other surplus equipments are at risk and are being destroyed, mosin pouches are being depleted on the DPR side, I can no longer order SKS clips form my ukrainian seller because he's been drafted and the army took all his ebay store items.
Your mom has sex with Black folk
>The Battle of Tannenberg, also known as the Second Battle of Tannenberg, was fought between Russia and Germany between 26 and 30 August 1914, the first month of World War I. The battle resulted in the almost complete destruction of the Russian Second Army and the suicide of its commanding general
>The Russian supply of cable was insufficient to run telephone or telegraph connections from the rear; all they had was needed for field communications. Therefore, they relied on mobile wireless stations, which would link Zhilinskiy to his two army commanders and with all corps commanders. The Russians were aware that the Germans had broken their ciphers, but they continued to use them until war broke out. A new code was ready but they were still very short of code books. Zhilinskiy and Rennenkampf each had one; Samsonov did not.[20] According to the Prit Buttar, "Consequently, Samsonov concluded that he would have to take the risk of using uncoded radio messages."[21]
>Samsonov's Second Army had been almost annihilated: 92,000 captured, 78,000 killed or wounded and only 10,000 (mostly from the retreating flanks) escaping. The Russians had lost 350 big guns. The Germans suffered just 12,000 casualties out of the 150,000 men committed to the battle.[1] Sixty trains were required to take captured Russian equipment to Germany. The German official history estimated 50,000 Russians killed and wounded, which were never properly recorded.[55] Another estimate gives 30,000 Russians killed or wounded, with 13 generals and 500 guns captured.[56]
US hasn't declared a war since 1942 and in Russian Federation merely taking part in planning of an offensive war carries 20 years in prison
PrepHole moron here. I don´t understand shit about lines in maps and military tactics, I haven´t been following this war and /misc/ is just a nightmare to lurk. Could someone de-autism the current state of the conflict and what could happen next?
Long term
Russia threw a fit and shat it's pants, putin has effectively fricked his country for the next 20-40 years as his military fell flat on his face and all he can do is bluster and threaten to cut off gas and oil to europe, on which the russian economy is dependent on.
Ukraine has had it's national identity galvanized and most pro-russian people are either not pro russian anymore or dying for russia.
Europe has found a point of actual unity and is crash working towards completely economically unhitching itself from russia, which isn't going to be hard since all russia has is NatGas and oil that can be bought elsewhere
NATO has been turbocharged with it's purpose for existing renewed.
Short term
Ukraine finally sprung their Kherson offensive in the south, blowing up the bridges as Russians built up a lot there to counter, then 2 days ago a probing attack SE of Kharkiv saw most of the Russian aligned forces fricking run off, resulting in a 50km penetration by motorized cav into the russian held territory and russian supply lines in the northern part of the east gravely threatened by artillery or just being taken. Mechanized is following along and a frick-ton of russian forces are now basically cut off in Izyum to the south.
Ukrainian Airforce is now running fricking SEAD missions on russian air defence.
A lot of morons from the pro-russian side of /misc/ are running around in denial and ass-pain.
>Ukrainian Airforce is now running fricking SEAD missions on russian air defence.
Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1? That´s what I recall from the early days of the conflict. Again I haven´t been following and I don´t know if NATO provided them some plains/Drones
>Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1?
Yes, but cuckwarfare and corruption does wonders for you
>Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1? That´s what I recall from the early days of the conflict
Not even remotely. They never completely cleared the skies and Ukraine was always able to consistently contest the airspace with heavy SAM use and careful but consistent combat sorties.
In addition they now currently possess more aircraft now than at the start of the war. The warehouses of old NATO MiGs have been emptied for them.
And this what MIGs Ukraine lost NATO covertly provided leftover replacements from old Migs and Flankers the US had in storage from Red Flag training to other Eastern European nations accidentally losing their fighter planes in a boating accident.
>And this what MIGs Ukraine lost NATO covertly provided leftover replacements from old Migs and Flankers the US had in storage from Red Flag training to other Eastern European nations accidentally losing their fighter planes in a boating accident.
And Raytheon took a couple MiG-29s from those stores and, in the space of two weeks, found a way to hotwire HARMs to relatively lightly modernized Fulcrums like the ones the UAF has while adding almost nothing to the plane itself, and handed the Ukrainians the instructions on how to do it. Everyone finally gets to do all that cold war shit they've been dreaming about, and they're leaping at the chance.
No Russia lied about that. But Russia's lied about a lot of things in this war.
Most of the attempts to blow up the Ukrainian airforce hit empty fields, abandoned runways and planes that were already broke down, as for the targets that would have hit, NATO told Ukraine what would be hit hours before the attack so Ukraine simply moved the planes at the last second.
I once considered the boneyards to be a national embarassment for Ukraine, maybe they still are. But they made fantastic decoys for the rare occassions that russian munitions actually landed on target.
I wonder how many Russian Victories against Ukrainian armor was just a bunch of junkers that Ukraine tractored to positions and left behind.
>Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1?
does less than 1 sortie per hour on average sound like air superiority war time sortie numbers to you?
Meanwhile, to explain where the Russian planes are- they Russians cannot into SEAD, so if they try flying near the Ukrainian airspace, they will get shot. At high altitude by basically the same kind of systems they are using, at low altitude they run the risk of being hit by MANPADS which the Ukies have a lot of, unless they fly so low and fast that accuracy of strikes is affected or they fricking crash.
In either case it is basically impossible for them to run any interception sorties without a very high risk of being shot down themselves.
and /k/ told me that the ukrops werent nazis......disgusting but oh we all know what happened to the last fuhrer 😛
Mikacute!!
God I wish Dogfights were still on Discovery.
This episode would be fricking rad.
One thing to note is Ukraine is starting to capture a lot of Russian munitions dumps in the area, I wondered awhile back why the Kharkiv front wasn't getting the daily visits from HIMARs, I thought it was because most of the shells were fired by Russia but I'm starting to think that was on purpose.
Ukraine was hoping that Russia would use this area as a safe zone to store a lot of their supplies.
Which means if Ukraine pulls this off their dry 122mm guns and 152mm guns will have food again which will bring their domestic equipment back into the firing line.
I don't think they're gonna use it.
HIMARS have been so effective because of how accurate they are, and Ukraine isn't going to indiscriminately shell their own populated cities, which the Russians are going to use as human shields.
Still, this means that Russia's ability to terrorize random neighborhoods is gonna be seriously cut short. Just make sure the depot isn't booby-trapped or the whole place is gonna disappear of the map.
>HIMARS have been so effective because of how accurate they are, and Ukraine isn't going to indiscriminately shell their own populated cities, which the Russians are going to use as human shields.
Not him, but if the Russians are stupid or desperate enough to still use routes through Kupyansk than they can use those old 152 and 122s to punish them, with the added benefit that this trash is disposable in the event the russians even put up any counter-battery fire
That's the real use that their older guns can be put towards, hitting Russian supply routes, as long as they keep drones on the routes within artillery range they can drop future Russian supply runs easily.
Ukraine doesn't have enough HIMARs to constantly fire on every crossing, every supply road, and every chokepoint.
They're still regularly using domestic artillery, Grads, other shit. Russia still has massed positions and, of course, supply routes they can saturation strike.
But they're also getting Excalibur and that other guidance kit.
Yeah but one big thing that was starting to be pointed out was that they were low on food for said artillery since hardly anyone outside of Russia makes 122mm and 152mm shells, there was a pic a few days back showing Iran of all places was supplying Ukraine with 122mm food.
If Ukraine can use up Russia's own supplies that removes it from Russia's hands, gives Russia less things to blow up and lets Ukraine do harassing fire with their older more expendable pieces
>there was a pic a few days back showing Iran of all places was supplying Ukraine with 122mm food.
And they taking the fricking piss?
You think Iran really gives a frick about what Russia thinks?
What are they going to do, invade Iran?
And even then, I would have sworn to heaven it would be slow, methodical, and not present viable targets.
Their new conscript units must be ready then. Ukraine is now likely nearly fully mobilized.
you see, this is actually an Iran-Iran proxy civil war
Iran and Israel allied in the 80s, Iran's good at playing both sides.
great points.
GIVE THEM THE FRICKING WARTHOGS ALREADY
LET THEM EAT
Pretty moderate
it's been 10 hours since the last update, seems like the ukie forces have been wiped out, rip
Fridericus 3