Ukie offensive and historic parallels

The offensive in the North and the encirclement of Isjum is a repeat of operation Fridericus 2 (22-25.june.1942)

goal:

>destroy the front around isjum : check
>North from kupjansk and south thrust to isjum: check
>undetected preparation and gathering of troops: check
>faint offensive somewhere else: check
>overwhelming mechanized force: check
>penetrate 50km beyond front lines: check
>capture field general during failed breakout: check
>encirclement of large portion of troops: check
>destroy huge amounts of vehicles and tanks: check
>minimal losses: check
>capture 20 000 pows: (you are here)

>strategic gains mark a very good starting point for the summeroffensive in 1942: to be continued

https://codenames.info/operation/fridericus-ii/

The russians did not learn the lesson 70 years ago, now it happens again.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks identical

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Battle of Tannenberg, also known as the Second Battle of Tannenberg, was fought between Russia and Germany between 26 and 30 August 1914, the first month of World War I. The battle resulted in the almost complete destruction of the Russian Second Army and the suicide of its commanding general

      >The Russian supply of cable was insufficient to run telephone or telegraph connections from the rear; all they had was needed for field communications. Therefore, they relied on mobile wireless stations, which would link Zhilinskiy to his two army commanders and with all corps commanders. The Russians were aware that the Germans had broken their ciphers, but they continued to use them until war broke out. A new code was ready but they were still very short of code books. Zhilinskiy and Rennenkampf each had one; Samsonov did not.[20] According to the Prit Buttar, "Consequently, Samsonov concluded that he would have to take the risk of using uncoded radio messages."[21]

      >Samsonov's Second Army had been almost annihilated: 92,000 captured, 78,000 killed or wounded and only 10,000 (mostly from the retreating flanks) escaping. The Russians had lost 350 big guns. The Germans suffered just 12,000 casualties out of the 150,000 men committed to the battle.[1] Sixty trains were required to take captured Russian equipment to Germany. The German official history estimated 50,000 Russians killed and wounded, which were never properly recorded.[55] Another estimate gives 30,000 Russians killed or wounded, with 13 generals and 500 guns captured.[56]

      Nice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's a ground line of communication?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cable, road, rail, courier.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s Clausewitz’s term for what regular people today call a supply line. it has less to do with talking than it does with logistics, especially in the context of an invader

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Pushing forward in rain, the III Panzerkorps advanced half of the way to Kupyansk on the first day and began to turn three divisions, with Generalmajor Wilhelm von Apell’s 22nd Panzerdivision in the lead, toward the south. The XLIV Corps seized a bridgehead over the Donets river. During the morning of the following day, however, all along the front between Kupyansk in the north and Izyum in the south, Soviet units were on the march to the east in the direction of the Oskol river. Overrunning some of these retreating units, Generalleutnant Hans-Valentin Hube’s 16th Panzerdivision entered the north-western part of Kupyansk by the fall of night. Late in the afternoon of 24 June, as it drove to the south, the 22nd Panzerdivision met the leading elements of Generalleutnant Erich Diestel’s 101st leichte Division advancing to the north, at Gorokhovatka on the Oskol river to the north-east of Izyum, and 'Fridericus II' had been completed."

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now the russians can claim ukies use nazi tactics. Because they copy pasted one.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what do you think the summer offensive will look like?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Will the Russians even last that long?

      well zelensky said that they have to support chechnya because they fight the same fight.

      NATO and Ukrainian Backed Chechen War 3 when?

      I'm starting to get worried the Russian army will collapse before the Chechens are ready. They won't be able to get much payback.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Btw at the same time the siege of sevastopol was startet wich ended in the capture of the city.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    See, they really are nazis

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    soon we will see pictures like this:

    pows captured in the encirclement.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine the cheap laborforce

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the ultimate humilation
    lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well let me give you a glipse of the future. The encirclement of izume was the starting point for future gains in the east.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NATO and Ukrainian Backed Chechen War 3 when?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well zelensky said that they have to support chechnya because they fight the same fight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm very happy that I can experience this moment in history with you guys.

          This time russian piggies will lose Volgograd because Lend lease is now not on their side anymore

          Time be a flat circle after all

          That operation resultet in:

          "The operations completed the virtual destruction of the South-West Front as an effective formation"

          Here we go

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This time russian piggies will lose Volgograd because Lend lease is now not on their side anymore

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The key here is that Ukraine needs to invade Russia. Belgorod should be on the table.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel that at this point the commanders there are just plain trolling russia

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it works it works

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm very happy that I can experience this moment in history with you guys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The real Ukraine War was the friends and dead Russians we made along the way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The real Ukraine War was the friends and dead Russians we made along the way.

      To think we actually got a sustained peer conflict in our lifetimes. I've been waiting to share this moment with you retards for almost two decades.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Time be a flat circle after all

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia have been tieing up troops in the North and Ukraine has no real chance of liberating the Donbas.

    Russia is accumulating more forces to (what i think) will be a second major offensive like what we saw in February - a second push to Kiev, but from the south
    >pic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cope has started. What troops mate. They lack personell already. They need volunteers. No way they can overpower a mobalised ukraine anymore. That shit has sailed. There is simply nothing left to overpower the dug in positions anymore. And dont you think the ukrainians dont have intel on that? thats right at NATOs doorstep.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's gone into delusional/fantasy territory already

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >american SWAP police special forces
          Literally the only SF grade SWAT team there is is Dallas.
          And SWAT isn't used remotely like SOBR. Mostly because they're ACTUALLY POLICE and not paramilitary.
          Fuckin vatniks thinking evenryone thinks like them. In reality, the vatnik doesn't think at all. Which is why they send cops to a fucking warzone.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they send cops
            thugs*
            ftfy

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Same difference.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paramilitaries have higher standards than burger SWAT.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Most of them aren't anything special at all. I've shot and trained with some. Dallas has fucking retarded standards and pulls the most bonkers shit. They act more like a SOBR unit than most other SWAT. They like to show up to a lot of the special forces training competitions, and they generally do well. Used a bomb robot to kill a spree shooter once. Not afraid to shoot at people from the back of a moving truck at highway speeds. Crazy fuckers. It's why I said Dallas SWAT specifically.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NASA SWAT goes hard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia vs Ukraine manpower
        you gotta be kidding me

        considering this is the same intel that said that afganistan would hold the line

        its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops. Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?

        Russia preemptively took out all Ukraines major critical infrastructure and they are barely catching its breath. Ukraine has no airpower/doesnt control the air

        Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014, do you not think at least something was anticipated? Maybe anticipated brutal CQB like every other war they've fought since forever?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops
          fucking mass mobilize and declare war already retard

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's politics, why isnt Afghanistan called a war?

            but from what i've heard from them directly:

            its a special operation because they aren't indiscriminately shelling enemy holdouts. They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.

            They are literally trying to liberate Ukraine, each part becoming it's own republic/whatever they chose. It all goes back to 2014, but its Russian history so probably like 1914

            >its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops.
            Do it then.
            > Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
            The US wouldn't be fucking around with a 'special military operation'. We'd call it a fucking war, fire up the draft, and fucking drown whoever pissed us off. Anything that can be handled with a couple dozen operators instead, will be.
            >Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014, do you not think at least something was anticipated?
            They anticipated Georgia 3.

            Vietnam isnt called a war. They are volunteer only at this point because it's not a war, but its tough fighting

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >it's politics, why isnt Afghanistan called a war?
              it was called a war
              many times, even by the gov't.
              So was the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan, even though that too was trying to prop up a gov't that wasn't wanted.

              >its a special operation because they aren't indiscriminately shelling enemy holdouts. They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.
              It's amazing, every fucking part of that statement is incorrect
              or are the Russians so fucking incompetent that they chose to send cruise missiles at the mall and somehow think Mariupol was acceptable collateral, among other cities and settlements.

              >They are literally trying to liberate Ukraine, each part becoming it's own republic/whatever they chose.
              They set the date of Nov 4 for the Duma to vote on annexing the romp states Russia has propped up with GRU, even though the referendums in those regions were pushed back or cancelled, as well as attempted to issue Russian passports to the people there even though they are supposed to be "independent."

              >Vietnam isnt called a war. They are volunteer only at this point because it's not a war, but its tough fighting
              It literally was a war, technically 3 wars. One against France, one against the US, and one against China.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it was called a war
                no its not man, there hasnt been a war declared since ww2. so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying.

                >Mariupol
                that was a major 'terrorist' holdout, dont expect anything nice in war, but per Russia - they are trying to keep things intact

                >They set the date of Nov 4
                i will be waiting for the end of the war, the politics mean nothing but to the people living there.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying
                this means nothing in russia's current situation
                they are in a war now, whether they or you want to acknowledge it or not.
                >that was a major 'terrorist' holdout, dont expect anything nice in war, but per Russia - they are trying to keep things intact
                what I read
                >We wanted to keep the city intact but there were defenders against our liberation, so fuck them.
                >i will be waiting for the end of the war, the politics mean nothing but to the people living there.
                Have fun with waiting, Ukraine is liberating the land Russia illegally invaded and occupied.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no its not man, there hasnt been a war declared since ww2. so by the politic, its not a war. thats what im saying.
                Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a congress technicality. The last war that we actually "formally" declared war on was the Axis during WWII. And that's because Congress called for it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are retarded, my friend. My condolences.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not that guy, and I don't think he's who you were originally responding to, but the vatnik's "point" is essentially a whataboutism about the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan- which ignored my initial point that even if there is "politically" no war, there is still a war and the Russians really aught to mobilize and fucking take it seriously.
                Sure the was no "Official" war in Vietnam of Afghanistan- but we still had a troop surge (multiple) for afghanistan, and we had to reinstate the draft for 'nam, and no one in either war was under any fucking delusion that it wasn't a war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There was an official war, what the fuck are you talking about? Is this some sovereign citizen tier garbage about how the title of the bills declaring war wasn't "Declaration of War"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm saying the guy's argument boils down to that, yes.
                It is retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Declaring an actual war has been made pretty difficult by international agreements.
                Technically speaking if Russia actually declared a war, the other countries would be forced to choose a side, or forced to stay out of the thing(including trade ect).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a congress technicality. The last war that we actually "formally" declared war on was the Axis during WWII. And that's because Congress called for it.

                You are retarded, my friend. My condolences.

                Russia saying "special operation" is the same as the US technically not calling korea, vietnam. afganistan 'wars'

                not that guy, and I don't think he's who you were originally responding to, but the vatnik's "point" is essentially a whataboutism about the US in Vietnam or Afghanistan- which ignored my initial point that even if there is "politically" no war, there is still a war and the Russians really aught to mobilize and fucking take it seriously.
                Sure the was no "Official" war in Vietnam of Afghanistan- but we still had a troop surge (multiple) for afghanistan, and we had to reinstate the draft for 'nam, and no one in either war was under any fucking delusion that it wasn't a war.

                that is not a point because i never said people werent dying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God I'm not sure what part of
                "We called and still call them wars"
                you do not fucking understand

                You don't seem to be able to parse simple fucking english, are being intentionally obtuse, or are actually intellectually disabled.

                "there is no point" because you are unable or unwilling to actually enage with anything anyone has said.

                natobucks wont save you, and they havent

                They are and they will.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ur just autist mad unironically, sorry to hear.

                Take a breathe and read my post again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't we called it the War in Afghanistan instead of the Afghanistan War. What terrible deceit by Washington!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They are specifically trying to keep civilian areas intact and minimize civilian causalities. Like the role of the US in Afghanistan.

              Thats not the story that we've been told by the afghanis. They said something about nuking villages with sticks of 2000-pounders.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your first mistake was taking anything Afghanis say seriously, you are in good company
                >Mr Ghani told him that “he was prepared to do that, but if the Taliban wouldn’t go along, he was ready to fight to the death,” Mr Blinken said. “And the very next day, he fled Afghanistan.”

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >its kinda crazy how many people think Russia cannot muster the troops.
          Do it then.
          > Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
          The US wouldn't be fucking around with a 'special military operation'. We'd call it a fucking war, fire up the draft, and fucking drown whoever pissed us off. Anything that can be handled with a couple dozen operators instead, will be.
          >Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014, do you not think at least something was anticipated?
          They anticipated Georgia 3.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you think the US could muster the troops if something similar happened?
          Honestly? If USA got most of its professional forces wiped out in fucking Mexico and started sending untrained convicts to frontlines while armed with WW2 era shit, I think USA could probably not muster enough troops to make difference.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's literally not enough english speaking people on the planet to make such a shitshow work.
            As Russia is learning now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ukraine has no airpower

          bro stfu. You are embarrassing yourself

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ghost of kyiv

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Where are all your S-300s Ivan
              Oh right. Shot to shit by HARMs launched from the MiGs they don't have.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                natobucks wont save you, and they havent

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >no airpower
              >webmrel
              If they had no airpower th Russian air defense wouldn't be getting ventilated by HARMs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only thing they are capable of is harassment of forces, there is no major battle happening with a huge ukrainian airforce battle sorry

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what you're saying is that the Ukrianians have an airforce, that it is operating to good effect and that the Russinas have failed to gain air superiority.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let’s not forget, Ukraine’s non-existent navy and how russia lost a missile cruiser to it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine’s non-existent navy and how russia lost a missile cruiser to it.
                NATO submarine attack

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not just a missile cruiser, but the literal linchpin to their entire navy's AA umbrella. With literally two rockets, Ukraine defeated Russia's entire naval force in that region.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rent free in your head until the day you die

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >RENT FREE

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia has planned this war out for years and has been involved since 2014
          Really showed with their spectacular flawless logistics during the first few weeks of the invasion.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      underrated lel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cope is sizzling

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pure fantasy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        enjoy this vintage encirclement plan

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They won't need to be encircled
          >pic

          You surprise attack from south
          simultaneously engaging the North, preventing an organized retreat by the Ukrainians.

          Shell and advance fast in the south with 'overwhelming' mechanized force + air strikes to Kyiv

          Backing at least half of the Ukrainian army in the North behind/infront of the Dnieper. No major pushes in the north needed. Just a concentration of force.

          but what do i know, im just a random guy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that the UA is able to penetrate so far around the now Izyum salient demonstrates that you do not have the fucking troops to do two offensives while holding ground, let alone the fucking mech infantry; you do not have enough troops to run two fucking defensives.

            You aren't just a random guy, you're a random retard

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Izyum salient
              they wont need to take anything there realistically, just keep the army occupied while the real offensive starts in the south.

              everything in the north since Russia left Kyiv is a back and forth

              >no troops
              >no mechs
              >two defensives

              All i see is you listing problems for Ukraine. Ukraine is running on full force while Russia is still using volunteers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not clear that russia can equip and maintain anything more than a relatively small volunteer force.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its not clear because Russia is Russia during wartime, how it should be.

                They have the GDP, their own currency and some trade partners. I wouldn't be so dismissive

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They have the GDP, their own currency and some trade partners. I wouldn't be so dismissive
                Their trade partners are Iran and North Korea. Their currency can't buy the hardware they need to make new modern hardware. Their factories cannot keep up with CURRENT demand, let alone the increased demands of a general offensive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they have literally a single factory for AFVs

                >Ukrainian Airforce is now running fucking SEAD missions on russian air defence.
                Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1? That´s what I recall from the early days of the conflict. Again I haven´t been following and I don´t know if NATO provided them some plains/Drones

                Russia never actually fully destroyed the UAF, and they've gotten a lot of MiGs.
                Last month HIMARS strikes started hitting airbases in Crimea, resulting in assets being shuffled around. Now this wasn't the biggest asset to russian AD, it was missiles, but it those towards the front have been hit with HIMARS, and mysteriously some of the longer range systems started getting hit by missiles without UAF aircraft in the sky (it has been theorized that Ukraine somehow modified AGM-88ER Anti-radiation missiles from HIMARS, or used LASMs to hit static positions).
                All this meant more shuffling of AD assets, and come to the Kherson Offensive, UAF is hitting russian systems around Kherson, though they aren't penetrating too deep into the airspace. They are using AGM-88s here, and hitting deeper targets with the AGM-88ERs that have longer range. A lot of what Russian Air Defence has been trying to intercept there are these missiles, and not aircraft.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                russian retard

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you do not have the fucking troops
              Correction.

              They do not have:
              The troops
              The tanks
              The fuel
              The munitions
              The C4 capability
              The counter-battery capability
              to pull any of that off against a fully mobilized and western-armed AFU.
              To put this into perspective, Russia is trying to buy NORTH KOREAN heavy ammunition stockpiles because they literally do not have the ability to keep up with their own needs and are resorting to backfilling with decades old, half-dud Nork ammo just to keep their guns running and all their shit is so old it still runs on the same ammo. I would not be fucking surprised if they make a deal with Ryu Kyong-su to bring the rest of their T-62Ms out of mothballs just because they're fucking used to it. In addition, it has been revealed that thanks to western artillery detection radars and lower officer initiative and authority according to a western style doctrine, Ukrainian counter-battery fire take approximately 45 sections to engage. According to Russian accounts, their own counter-battery efforts take an average of half an hour or more to finally receive the final order to fire. Russian aviation continues to play a limited role and Ukrainian aviation grows bolder by the day due to both a consistent failure of Russian forces to engage and destroy Ukrainian anti-aircraft elements by any possible means available to them, which continues to atrit and deny airspace to Russian aviation, and increasingly effective SEAD efforts by UAF Wild Weasels successfully suppressing Russian SAMs. GMLRS and Excalibur are increasingly denying Russian aviation any access to their most forward airbases. Crimea is now bereft of combat aircraft because they're all in artillery range now. I don't believe for one second that they don't have ATACMS. All of their supply lines are now cut. Ammunition stockpiles are now only what they currently have in place; they are being consumed and destroyed outright by the day.

              They have nothing left for an offensive.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have fun supplying your "overwhelming mechanised force" across the blown-up Dniepr bridges, retard.

            >but what do i know, im just a fucking idiot who doesn't understand jack shit

            FTFY

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >what is combat engineering

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A bunch of poor fucks who get blown up trying to put pontoons in the water.
                Do we need to post the video of those beans getting pasted ON one of your precious pontoons?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Something Russians can't do.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your "overwhelming' mechanized force" will have to stop to Pontoon ever river, that gives Ukraine a day to blast your force with Artillery and Rockets.

            You overwhelming' mechanized force will need an even more overwhelming' congested force of logistics vehicles following it. No Fuel your tanks are useless.

            Russia tried the overwhelming' mechanized force attack last February, they threw 30 tanks in mass assaults, it meant nothing because Ukraine just blew up the fuel trucks and supporting vehicles and picked them off in ambushes.

            And they'll do it again.

            Operating that deep within Ukraine means Russian airpower will not be able to effectively protect the assault. And you want to waste your time on Air Strikes on Kyiv.

            Yes you're a random stupid guy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is it boys, its over. It was all one long feint this entire time. Russia is already halfway to Kyiv. Oikraine overextended. Its over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then luka will attack from belarus with his 200,000 strong army and the hidden reserves in chudstria will exit their bunkers and seize lyiv, cutting ukraine off from hato supplies, its over ukrops

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This will work if and only if Putolini can use draftees. Russia's professional army is way too small for any of this. They started with 190k, and have lost over 48k to death, and an unknown amount to casualties. They can hold onto the DPR with that army, but that's it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian shills will say it's "fake propaganda, are you on droogz?"

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine: Guys we're gonna take back Kharkiv
    >We're gonna do it
    >We're preparing for like a month and a half now
    >It's gonna be slow and methodical, but it will be safe
    >Hang tight guys, this is gonna be a slog
    >Russia: *moves a shitton of units from everywhere else to reinforce, it doesn't help*

    >Ukraine:Sorry did we say slow methodical small-unit offensive in Kharkiv
    >What we actually meant was Desert Storm 3 to encircle Izium and destroy a third of the Russian Army
    >Sorry about the map gore we'll fix it in a week

    I did not see this coming AT ALL and I'm fucking loving it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kharkiv
      >Kharkiv
      Fucking retard I am
      Meant Kherson

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ngl never saw it coming either, I'm shocked they had this much men and equipment sitting and ready to go by izyum and zero hints about it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ngl never saw it coming either, I'm shocked they had this much men and equipment sitting and ready to go by izyum and zero hints about it

      I had my suHispanicions based on how loud the Ukranians were being about it. That raised my eybrows a bit but going for Kherson still seemed reasonable. I still didn't see Kharkiv coming, if you told me a few weeks ago it was a diversion and asked me to guess what the real target was I would've guessed they were going for Metilpol with Kherson still being a secondary target.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are pushing to leyman. They are doing it. They are pushing their shit in. Its gonna be a repeat.

    Crossing the river uncontested since troops are pulling back. Reclaiming the river.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pushing north trapping supporting forces travelling to the west.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and cutting the only option out of iziume across the swamp

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This fighting needs to end, soviet and other surplus equipments are at risk and are being destroyed, mosin pouches are being depleted on the DPR side, I can no longer order SKS clips form my ukrainian seller because he's been drafted and the army took all his ebay store items.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your mom has sex with morons

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The Battle of Tannenberg, also known as the Second Battle of Tannenberg, was fought between Russia and Germany between 26 and 30 August 1914, the first month of World War I. The battle resulted in the almost complete destruction of the Russian Second Army and the suicide of its commanding general

    >The Russian supply of cable was insufficient to run telephone or telegraph connections from the rear; all they had was needed for field communications. Therefore, they relied on mobile wireless stations, which would link Zhilinskiy to his two army commanders and with all corps commanders. The Russians were aware that the Germans had broken their ciphers, but they continued to use them until war broke out. A new code was ready but they were still very short of code books. Zhilinskiy and Rennenkampf each had one; Samsonov did not.[20] According to the Prit Buttar, "Consequently, Samsonov concluded that he would have to take the risk of using uncoded radio messages."[21]

    >Samsonov's Second Army had been almost annihilated: 92,000 captured, 78,000 killed or wounded and only 10,000 (mostly from the retreating flanks) escaping. The Russians had lost 350 big guns. The Germans suffered just 12,000 casualties out of the 150,000 men committed to the battle.[1] Sixty trains were required to take captured Russian equipment to Germany. The German official history estimated 50,000 Russians killed and wounded, which were never properly recorded.[55] Another estimate gives 30,000 Russians killed or wounded, with 13 generals and 500 guns captured.[56]

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US hasn't declared a war since 1942 and in Russian Federation merely taking part in planning of an offensive war carries 20 years in prison

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PrepHole retard here. I don´t understand shit about lines in maps and military tactics, I haven´t been following this war and 4chan is just a nightmare to lurk. Could someone de-autism the current state of the conflict and what could happen next?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Long term
      Russia threw a fit and shat it's pants, putin has effectively fucked his country for the next 20-40 years as his military fell flat on his face and all he can do is bluster and threaten to cut off gas and oil to europe, on which the russian economy is dependent on.
      Ukraine has had it's national identity galvanized and most pro-russian people are either not pro russian anymore or dying for russia.
      Europe has found a point of actual unity and is crash working towards completely economically unhitching itself from russia, which isn't going to be hard since all russia has is NatGas and oil that can be bought elsewhere
      NATO has been turbocharged with it's purpose for existing renewed.

      Short term
      Ukraine finally sprung their Kherson offensive in the south, blowing up the bridges as Russians built up a lot there to counter, then 2 days ago a probing attack SE of Kharkiv saw most of the Russian aligned forces fucking run off, resulting in a 50km penetration by motorized cav into the russian held territory and russian supply lines in the northern part of the east gravely threatened by artillery or just being taken. Mechanized is following along and a fuck-ton of russian forces are now basically cut off in Izyum to the south.
      Ukrainian Airforce is now running fucking SEAD missions on russian air defence.
      A lot of retards from the pro-russian side of 4chan are running around in denial and ass-pain.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukrainian Airforce is now running fucking SEAD missions on russian air defence.
        Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1? That´s what I recall from the early days of the conflict. Again I haven´t been following and I don´t know if NATO provided them some plains/Drones

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1?
          Yes, but cuckwarfare and corruption does wonders for you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1? That´s what I recall from the early days of the conflict
          Not even remotely. They never completely cleared the skies and Ukraine was always able to consistently contest the airspace with heavy SAM use and careful but consistent combat sorties.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In addition they now currently possess more aircraft now than at the start of the war. The warehouses of old NATO MiGs have been emptied for them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In addition they now currently possess more aircraft now than at the start of the war. The warehouses of old NATO MiGs have been emptied for them.

            And this what MIGs Ukraine lost NATO covertly provided leftover replacements from old Migs and Flankers the US had in storage from Red Flag training to other Eastern European nations accidentally losing their fighter planes in a boating accident.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And this what MIGs Ukraine lost NATO covertly provided leftover replacements from old Migs and Flankers the US had in storage from Red Flag training to other Eastern European nations accidentally losing their fighter planes in a boating accident.
              And Raytheon took a couple MiG-29s from those stores and, in the space of two weeks, found a way to hotwire HARMs to relatively lightly modernized Fulcrums like the ones the UAF has while adding almost nothing to the plane itself, and handed the Ukrainians the instructions on how to do it. Everyone finally gets to do all that cold war shit they've been dreaming about, and they're leaping at the chance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No Russia lied about that. But Russia's lied about a lot of things in this war.

          Most of the attempts to blow up the Ukrainian airforce hit empty fields, abandoned runways and planes that were already broke down, as for the targets that would have hit, NATO told Ukraine what would be hit hours before the attack so Ukraine simply moved the planes at the last second.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I once considered the boneyards to be a national embarassment for Ukraine, maybe they still are. But they made fantastic decoys for the rare occassions that russian munitions actually landed on target.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I wonder how many Russian Victories against Ukrainian armor was just a bunch of junkers that Ukraine tractored to positions and left behind.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Didn´t Russia had air superiority from day 1?
          does less than 1 sortie per hour on average sound like air superiority war time sortie numbers to you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they have literally a single factory for AFVs

          [...]
          Russia never actually fully destroyed the UAF, and they've gotten a lot of MiGs.
          Last month HIMARS strikes started hitting airbases in Crimea, resulting in assets being shuffled around. Now this wasn't the biggest asset to russian AD, it was missiles, but it those towards the front have been hit with HIMARS, and mysteriously some of the longer range systems started getting hit by missiles without UAF aircraft in the sky (it has been theorized that Ukraine somehow modified AGM-88ER Anti-radiation missiles from HIMARS, or used LASMs to hit static positions).
          All this meant more shuffling of AD assets, and come to the Kherson Offensive, UAF is hitting russian systems around Kherson, though they aren't penetrating too deep into the airspace. They are using AGM-88s here, and hitting deeper targets with the AGM-88ERs that have longer range. A lot of what Russian Air Defence has been trying to intercept there are these missiles, and not aircraft.

          Meanwhile, to explain where the Russian planes are- they Russians cannot into SEAD, so if they try flying near the Ukrainian airspace, they will get shot. At high altitude by basically the same kind of systems they are using, at low altitude they run the risk of being hit by MANPADS which the Ukies have a lot of, unless they fly so low and fast that accuracy of strikes is affected or they fucking crash.
          In either case it is basically impossible for them to run any interception sorties without a very high risk of being shot down themselves.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and PrepHole told me that the ukrops werent nazis......disgusting but oh we all know what happened to the last fuhrer 😛

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mikacute!!

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I wish Dogfights were still on Discovery.
    This episode would be fucking rad.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One thing to note is Ukraine is starting to capture a lot of Russian munitions dumps in the area, I wondered awhile back why the Kharkiv front wasn't getting the daily visits from HIMARs, I thought it was because most of the shells were fired by Russia but I'm starting to think that was on purpose.

    Ukraine was hoping that Russia would use this area as a safe zone to store a lot of their supplies.

    Which means if Ukraine pulls this off their dry 122mm guns and 152mm guns will have food again which will bring their domestic equipment back into the firing line.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they're gonna use it.

      HIMARS have been so effective because of how accurate they are, and Ukraine isn't going to indiscriminately shell their own populated cities, which the Russians are going to use as human shields.
      Still, this means that Russia's ability to terrorize random neighborhoods is gonna be seriously cut short. Just make sure the depot isn't booby-trapped or the whole place is gonna disappear of the map.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >HIMARS have been so effective because of how accurate they are, and Ukraine isn't going to indiscriminately shell their own populated cities, which the Russians are going to use as human shields.
        Not him, but if the Russians are stupid or desperate enough to still use routes through Kupyansk than they can use those old 152 and 122s to punish them, with the added benefit that this trash is disposable in the event the russians even put up any counter-battery fire

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >HIMARS have been so effective because of how accurate they are, and Ukraine isn't going to indiscriminately shell their own populated cities, which the Russians are going to use as human shields.
        Not him, but if the Russians are stupid or desperate enough to still use routes through Kupyansk than they can use those old 152 and 122s to punish them, with the added benefit that this trash is disposable in the event the russians even put up any counter-battery fire

        That's the real use that their older guns can be put towards, hitting Russian supply routes, as long as they keep drones on the routes within artillery range they can drop future Russian supply runs easily.

        Ukraine doesn't have enough HIMARs to constantly fire on every crossing, every supply road, and every chokepoint.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        That's the real use that their older guns can be put towards, hitting Russian supply routes, as long as they keep drones on the routes within artillery range they can drop future Russian supply runs easily.

        Ukraine doesn't have enough HIMARs to constantly fire on every crossing, every supply road, and every chokepoint.

        They're still regularly using domestic artillery, Grads, other shit. Russia still has massed positions and, of course, supply routes they can saturation strike.

        But they're also getting Excalibur and that other guidance kit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but one big thing that was starting to be pointed out was that they were low on food for said artillery since hardly anyone outside of Russia makes 122mm and 152mm shells, there was a pic a few days back showing Iran of all places was supplying Ukraine with 122mm food.

          If Ukraine can use up Russia's own supplies that removes it from Russia's hands, gives Russia less things to blow up and lets Ukraine do harassing fire with their older more expendable pieces

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there was a pic a few days back showing Iran of all places was supplying Ukraine with 122mm food.
            And they taking the fucking piss?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You think Iran really gives a fuck about what Russia thinks?
              What are they going to do, invade Iran?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And even then, I would have sworn to heaven it would be slow, methodical, and not present viable targets.
                Their new conscript units must be ready then. Ukraine is now likely nearly fully mobilized.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you see, this is actually an Iran-Iran proxy civil war

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Iran and Israel allied in the 80s, Iran's good at playing both sides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      great points.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GIVE THEM THE FUCKING WARTHOGS ALREADY
    LET THEM EAT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty moderate

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's been 10 hours since the last update, seems like the ukie forces have been wiped out, rip

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fridericus 3

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