I have a question for anons from the UK. What happened to all the guns now illegal due to a law change in 1996. From what I've read, you could buy semi-automatics and pistols in the past. People who had it before can still shoot it?
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I have a question for anons from the UK. What happened to all the guns now illegal due to a law change in 1996. From what I've read, you could buy semi-automatics and pistols in the past. People who had it before can still shoot it?
Got handed in or forgotten about, and they died and then got handed in by their descendants.
Iirc semi autos are still legal in .22 or below.
Also recently even antiques are requiring firearms certificates since the definition is rather broad and they're being used in organised crime.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/deadline-approaches-for-antique-firearms-law-change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom
They really do come for everything in the end it's not a meme. The leftoids in US and Canada do want your musket and single barrel 12 gauge. The only solution to fix gun grabbers is oblivion.
Wtf? Going after shotguns and single shotgun pipes? Got credible sources(more then one please) on this??
Retroactive law, communist kingdom.
What counts as historical weapons?
>What counts as historical weapons?
Ones where the cartridge is designated non-current (there's a list, like .454) and the weapon is not going to be shot
'Date of manufacture
To be regarded as an antique, a firearm must have been manufactured before the date specified in regulation 4 of the Antique Regulations, which is 1 September 1939 (see also section 58(2D) of the 1968 Act).'
>Iirc semi autos are still legal in .22 or below.
I guess that would include pistols and rifles or SMGs
Bump fire and you have a technically legal improvised 22 SMG like an MP5
And you have the legendary sten gun as well, but that's 9mm
I guess the criminals have no issue getting illegal guns
But the law abiding citizens cannot access nines
A 22 is can be serious when full auto, as militarizes and law enforcement use 22 LR MP5s, but it's wild how you can't use a rifle caliber for hunting and protecting your land.
Here's the ticket boys.
Despite the UK's stringent legislation there are still a huge variety of different rifle calibres and bullets, that can legally be used in the UK for hunting deer. For the beginner and for those visiting the UK from abroad, the choice of legal calibres can at first appear baffling.
.243 Winchester..."In its simplest terms the .243 is a necked down .308"
6mm PPC..."Developed for Bench Rest Shooting this is an extremely accurate calibre"
6mm-xc-norma..."touted as one of the most accurate cartridges in the world"
6-5-creedmoor....."So what is so great about the 6.5 Creedmoor?"
6-5-prc ..... "The 6.5PRC is essentially a 6.5 Creedmoor Magnum"
.25-06 Remington..."Originally a wildcat calibre until standardised by Remington"
6.5 x 55 Swedish..."There is no denying this is a deceptively effective calibre"
.270 Winchester..."Developed in 1923 and released by Winchester in 1925"
.308 Winchester..."One of the most popular calibres of all time"
.30-06 Springfield..."The most iconic caliber ever to have emerged from the States"
6mm BR..."The BR does not in fact stand for British but Bench Rest"
7x57mm-mauser..."Also referred to as the .275 Rigby"
7mm-remington-magnum..."Heralded as one of the greatest of all time"
.303 British..."Developed in the 1880's this is a truly legendary calibre"
.300 Winchester Magnum..."Effective for everything up to dangerous game"
9-3x74r... "Why do the European love their 9.3x74R and is it suitable for the UK?"
>.308
Can drop a deer at 1,000 yards, great rifle caliber
It's not really that easy to get guns on a European Island with basically only trains and ferries anon.
I mean it happens, but it's not like the US where they're in one in every 12h car, or can be smuggled over a large border, it's extremely expensive and difficult for the average criminal, and thus cost prohibitive. The scenarios are different, I can absolutely see why it wouldn't work in the USA.
For the average criminal, but I don't think the IRA had issues.
IRA had them shipped over thought a huge smuggling network funded by foreign governments to mainland Ireland (Which they could not interdict due to international waters and foreign country blah blah), it's not the same thing.
Northern Irish can carry handguns and stuff because of this difference in situation of guns being able to penetrate the border into the hands of criminals.
It's almost a good example of my original point actually.
the IRA weren't criminals
Then how come they were successfully prosecuted? Besides, even if you accept their assertion that they were a freedom-fighting army (which I don't) then any army deliberately killing non-combatants is guilty of a crime.
Whichever way you cut it, they were criminals
As with Handguns, there was a national amnesty where you could hand in your now illegal weapons and receive compensation for their value. The UK banned leaver release weapons that were deemed to be bypassing the spirit of the law recently and the same system was used, here are the prices paid to owners.
Are bump stocks now illegal in the UK? I remembered them being legal to own, just not legal for manufacture.
*I mean sale not manufacture
There was an amnesty. My grandfather had a Webley & lugar he took home after the war and never had a license for. He called up the local police and they came and collected them. After hearing they were war mementos they asked if he wanted to get them made defunct so he could keep them.
Pls be trolling
Wish I was. He was a do gooder
How difficult is it to get a gun in the UK?
piss easy in NI
>How difficult is it to get a gun in the UK?
Quite (and I assume you're talking legally-held) Fill out the forms, provide referee details and, if FAC, specify calibre and reason. Shotguns are even easier.
I have both shotguns and rifle in my cabinet.
Hi Michael.
Wrong guy
you need a reason to own one
hardest part is convicing someone you need a gun
It’s also limited to shotguns (good mass shooting potential but useless for everything else) and hunting rifles with everything enjoyable and worthwhile banned
>you need a reason to own one
>hardest part is convicing someone you need a gun
"I do target shooting" is a 100% valid reason.
depends what:
fill in the forms, have a valid reference, send 'em in.
Shotgun? unless you have something that disqualifies you, ie, equivalent of tha US felony, a shotgun certificate is "shall-issue".
Rifles, etc? more hoops, but not particularly difficult.
Handguns, that nice Vickers .303 your great-grandfather hid in the shed in 1918, etc? ok those arent going to be easy. if the handgun meets the fuck-ugly laws for such things (integral stock, barrel extension - often using a suppressor, you might be surprised to learn) , that's valid.
in many ways, the hardest part of getting a legal gun in the UK is requirements for safe storage - you need a suitable safe as a criteria, and if you're in a rented property, they often stipulate you cant install things like gunsafes (hell, my last rented flat you weren't allowed to install a coat-hook on the door without orders, signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, lost, found, queried, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters...)
>"I do target shooting" is a 100% valid reason.
How practical is that actually? You'd have to prove you have somewhere to shoot, so you need to find a range taking members or know somebody with land.
What if, say, one thousand bongs woke up tomorrow and decided they wanted to own a .22. Would there be enough gun clubs in the country with open spots for them to all prove they're target shooters?
>How practical is that actually?
you might be surprised to know that there's hundreds, if not thousands of shooting ranges all over the country.
I used to do target handgun shooting in a little converted warehouse on the edge of the scottish highlands, and it had no difficulty seeing business almost every day. not packed out, but, busy at times.
You might think that you'd struggle if you live slap-bang in the middle of a big city like Birmingham. (personally, if I lived in fucking Birmingham, I'd turn the gun on myself, but I digress), but in fact, birmingham, as an example has something like 16 or 17 ranges within a 10 mile radius of the centre, including a few right in the middle.
>One thousand bongs, Would there be enough gun clubs in the country with open spots for them to all prove they're target shooters?
enough for them to all take part, yes. Probably one or two places it would be difficult to either find enough spaces or find a location local - in particular in the more remote bits of 't north, or scotland, etc, it might be hard simply because they're places with tiny populations. but really, 1000 people isnt a big blip in the real numbers.
if it was 100,000 people, then there would probably be difficulties, but, that's when new ranges would be opening to cater for the demand.
For an indication of how popular target shooting is: in about '95-96 - just before Dunblane, there were about 55,000 to 60,000 handgun target shooters in the UK, out of a population of about 65 million. so roughly one in a thousand people were into it.
For rifles, I dont know what the number was then, but there are about 600,000 target shooters today, so roughly one in every hundred people does it. Obviously, that's not uniform, in age demographics or geography, but its not like its a one in a million hobby.
Irony is shotguns are perfect for a mass shooting with no return fire
But they banned all the collectible guns because safety lol
What valid reasons do people give that check out? Self defence can't be one of them kek
And who writes such a reference?
you're right, self defence isn't one. But:
"sport" - target shooting, sport shooting, clay pigeon shooting ("skeet", I think you call it in the US? usually orange frisbee things launched for shotgun targets. you know the shit.)
vermin control - "I am a farmer, we have velociraptors on the farm". Applicant provides evidence for the velociraptors, they're fine.
Recreational shooting IS a valid reason. It usually falls under "sporting" but if you're not a competitive shooter and doing it solely for plinking, that is valid.
Research is a valid reason - so if you really want that 1904 krag-mannlicher prototype built in H&H nitro express for your collection, or something weird, that's a valid reason too.
hunting is also a valid reason in some parts of the country. Obviously, you're not going to be going hunting in the middle of that nightmarish far-off place called Lon-don. and no-one would ever want to hunt the barely human shambling horrors of Middlesbrough, but If you're in Snowdonia, you might well want to bag a fine nine-pointer miner's choir singer's head to put on the wall, or if you're in the Grampians, you might want fresh haggis from running around the glens.
References:
anyone who is a UK resident who doesn't have a criminal record can give a reference, as long as they have known you for 2 years, with the following exceptions:
"A referee must not be a member of your immediate family, a registered firearms dealer, a serving police officer, a police employee, a Police and Crime Commissioner or a member of their staff, or a member of, or a member of staff of, the Scottish Police Authority."
>and no-one would ever want to hunt the barely human shambling horrors of Middlesbrough
You'd need the most hardened stalkers to venture there.
Crikey if none of those reasons would apply, what else can one say, recreational shooting? That would fall under a gun club right? I just want one for self defense or as crazy as it sounds, if I was to survuve, for a post-nuclear world.
I assume the reference can just be a friend whom of course you have tell you're applying to own a gun 😉
Some 14 year old showed me his dad's FN FAL on a London council estate once. However it may have been a SLR that he stole from the army I can't tell the difference. The 14 year old said it was "an AK-47" lol.
I have a walther I bought when I was younger with bitcoin. I don't know what the fuck to do with it, don't have any bullets or ought
hidden safe
It's pretty easy. The hard part is the safe which is non negotiable.
So many of our houses are rented or listed. Good fucking luck convincing your landlord or council to install a safe.
tl;dr: they were confiscated.
long version:
in the UK, a Firearms Certificate is required not just to acquire, but also to possess a firearm (except one eligible under a Shotgun Certificate). Firearm Certificates are only good for 5 years. The Law in the UK changed so that FCs for Prohibited Firearms can only be issued by the Home Office (bong Homeland Security), and their policy, and policy of all subsequent governments, is to just not grant them to individuals. Only a handful of organizations are ever given them, and they're all in the Defense industry.
Yet another "registration leads to confiscation".
The ONLY reason the feds want a list of what you have is so they can eventually take it from you.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
> the power to enumerate is the power to confiscate
there's all sorts of constitutional hurdles to overcome in the US that just don't exist in Bongistan - Parliament has absolute power in the UK and can do whatever they want. Congress cannot just go and declare something contraband overnight without triggering the Takings Clause - it's why the ATF has to do an Amnesty rather than confiscate all the braced pistols.
Yep. We dodged a fucking bullet in Canada when we abolished gun registration.
They sent ww2 heroes to prison because they kept their handguns from the war instead of turning them in
moron he was selling his ammunition in a country that highly regulates it, he's not just some old war vet that wanted to keep his funs he's a fucking retard.
That is totally legal in America and other civilized countries and given the hyperinflation and income collapse to sub slovenian levels in Britain he probably needed the money and was cashing out on his collection
You can legally sell it here, if you go through the right processes, and he's had 50 years to legalise his funs.
Most "civilised countries" have paper trails and regulation for such things anon.
He was selling it just some guy, likely someone involved in organised crime.
>bongstan cope
>You can legally sell it here,
It’s funny how every webley in Britain has either been deactivated (aka innards welded and destroyed beyond repair) or just cut into pieces
>if you go through the right processes
Like your new machete permit?
> he's had 50 years to legalise
Which means deactivating aka destroying
You sound like a coping loyal Russian citizen which I guess is how a totalitarian shithole can get away with third worldizing you all
>He keeps posting the western doomer Derek Thomson
Kek
Here, have one back.
Bold of you, Britain is literally where Englishmen go to die
>In December, as many as 500 patients per week were dying in Britain because of E.R. waits, according to the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, a figure rivaling (and perhaps surpassing) the death toll from Covid-19.
On average, English ambulances were taking an hour and a half to respond to stroke and heart-attack calls, compared with a target time of 18 minutes
Also you had a Russia like collapse of living standards that set you back 20 years. You’re island Vats
>Like your new machete permit?
Strawman doesn't help your case, you know
What does is even California has way more rights and less starvation than island Russia
Text book example of what not to do
Let me guess. Daily Mail?
I can assure you the only thing that ever ate catfood in my detached, 4-bed house in the country was my cat.
>I guess is how a totalitarian shithole can get away with third worldizing you all
Said the anon from the country with so meany school shootings that "Active Shooter Drills" are a thing. Ask me where I'd rather live.
>Protip - it isn't a place where every retard is probably armed with an AR15
Okay nogun
https://news.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx#:~:text=The%20results%20show%20that%2021,%2C%20and%204%25%20in%20Britain.
You have a higher violent crime rate than America. Getting. Caught by a mass shooting is like getting hit by lighting and if you’re carrying you can ambush the shooter
You all cry and get carjacked by crazies with stainless steel mall knives and then shanked
>Ask me where I'd rather live.
BRB, gonna eat a Greek salad you can’t afford in Britain
If you actually look up how violent crime stats are calculated differently between the countries listed, instead of regurgitating the same age old cope gotcha's, you'd shut the fuck up pretty quick.
>Okay nogun
Was that in addition to my shotguns and my rifle?
And, as I don't live an inner city, the worst crime I see on a regular basis is fly-tipping. Don't assume what I can't afford - just finished supper - loch trout filets, side salad and a nice half bottle of Sauvignon. Coffee and biscotti now.
It must make you seethe that the stereotypes you got from Fox just aren't true, and you can't deny the school shootings happen.
>shotguns and my rifle?
they’re probably laughable, clunky, ugly and aren’t a thing many would enjoy collecting
Makes me happy that even restrictive states in America don’t make it hard for someone who wants to collect worth while stuff
>stereotypes
It’s a fact, the you’re falling behind the EU periphery like Slovenia and Poleand
>fox
Even people with leftish sympathies have reason to avoid the British model: you ban personal liberty, need the regimes permission for everything and you’re even banning striking because your docs get paid as much as Whole Foods sales clerks.
>Poleand
ESL
I mean I'm all for more gun freedoms anon, but you're just warriortard using this opportunity to shitpost your personal vendetta against Bongs and as such, TL;DR.
Hypotheticals are great anon, they really help your argument.
>they’re probably laughable, clunky, ugly and aren’t a thing many would enjoy collecting
Aesop would love you. One of mine is an AYA No. 2. I also have a Browning B25. I don't think I'd class either as "laughable, clunky, ugly and aren’t a thing many would enjoy collecting". I use them regularly and I'll be out on Sunday
> Browning B25
Mid
A trench broom would be better
Even a Webley would be better.
I bet they forced you to get rid of your ancestral webleys
I can virtually see you seething through the screen
I got your guns so I’m okay
I feel like the original owner of this piece was a hero
Kinda like the vet who got arrested
I'm not even American but it always surprises me how Bongs and Krauts always cuck out because "muuuh safety!!!"
>always cuck out because "muuuh safety!!!"
Seems to work, though, don't you think?
If you think living like a slave under constant surveillance and still getting stabbed for your efforts is "life"
And Russia is any different, warriortard?
Russia is a nogunz shithole, but it's telling you're comparing GB with them
You are the one seething about the UK, starting several threads a day, and coping like mad about it. The point everyone is making is that Russia is even worse in every “gotcha” you try to make, warriortard.
>you are
I'm not and I don't. I agree that Russia is worse but not even by much.
No, I don't. I think it would be genuinely miserable not to be able to own guns. Lots of retards where I am are armed with semi-automatic weapons, and it isn't a daily running battle in the streets
t. leaf
I’m not letting anyone take my prized collection of vintage guns unless i gift them or leave them and rest of the antiques as heirlooms
The Canada thing is fucked since they’ll take your stuff when you die even if it’s rare and collectible
You're talking about the handgun thing, I assume? That'll be repealed in five years tops, mark my words.
I can get why a country might ban Glocks and ARs because they’re high capacity and look ugly but why were they retarded enough to ban older collectible and antique guns which factually have less mass carnage potential than the shotguns you still allow
They would honestly also be banned if there wasn't a millennium old posh sport that uses shotguns, combined with a use for hunting and protecting livestock meant there was more pushback.
Skeet shooting and hunting is basically the only reason they exist in legality. In that particular case the usage outweighs the safety aspect. Laws often have things like that.
It’s only a matter of time before some demented affluenza teen grabs a couple of daddy’s shotguns and runs around blowing open dozens of people
I think you misunderstand. if you want to own an antique weapon without a firearms certificate (say as a wall-hanging exhibit) then that's OK as long as the weapon is correctly classified. If you want to own and shoot an antique weapon then you can do that, but you then need a firearms certificate to hold it and its ammunition - a black-powder musket, for example. You'd need to show that you have a good reason to own it (say, target shooting) and belong to a club.
As long as it's not semi-auto (.22LR or .22SR excepted) or a pistol you can own pretty much anything, up to and including 50 CAL BMG. You can still own pistols, but under extremely limited circumstances
> if you want to own an antique weapon without a firearms certificate (say as a wall-hanging exhibit) then that's OK as long as the weapon is correctly classified
No I read and also read how museums aside they have to be deactivated and broken beyond repair. Which is actually worse than just exporting them to America
I like conserving historical artifacts, I like keeping them in such good condition that they shoot as well as a modern gun. And I like being good at shooting them. That takes all the fun and reason out of owning
>No I read and also read how museums aside they have to be deactivated and broken beyond repair.
What you read was wrong. if you want a non-antique gun (say an AR15, or a WWII Lee Enfield)) as a wall exhibit then that needs to be deactivated as the ammunition is current.
Anything 100 years old in other collector fields is rated antique
WW1 and many interwar guns are antiques by that definition. That they still work and are effective enough to be used for defense in an emergency just adds to the appeal also your law was changed to ban any viable antique gun https://www.gov.uk/government/news/deadline-approaches-for-antique-firearms-law-change
Read your own citation. It refers to "certain cartridges" no longer being classed as antiques, because some of these older cartridges were being used in criminal activities. So this is not all old weapons. Also, I don't care what is normally regarded as antique; in the UK there is a list of weapons whose cartridges are regarded as no longer current - guns for these can be held without an FAC
>Seven ammunition types will be removed from the definition of ‘antique firearm’, making up to 26,000 guns that use them illegal to own without a firearms licence.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-closes-antique-firearms-loopholes-to-protect-public
>The 7 cartridges which previously appeared in the Home Office guidance but which have been omitted from the equivalent list in the 2021 Regulations and which will therefore require a licence to be legally held from 22 September are:
>.320 British (also known as .320 Revolver CF, short or long)
>.41 Colt (short or long)
>.44 Smith and Wesson Russian
>.442 Revolver (also known as .44 Webley)
>9.4mm Dutch Revolver
>10.6mm German Ordnance Revolver
>11mm French Ordnance Revolver M1873 (Army)
>I don’t care what’s an
Aka everything remotely worth owning is to be melted down
What sort of authoritarian cope do you have to be on that. I’m gonna collect the guns on that newly banned list
>everything remotely worth owning is to be melted down
Where does the regulation say that? Stop being a fuckwit, or go to /b/
Deactivation or destruction are the prescribed remedies if you don’t own a museum
One is welding the whole thing the other the same
>Deactivation or destruction are the prescribed remedies if you don’t own a museum
Wrong. Collecting is a legitimate reason to hold an FAC. So you hold them on your ticket. If you want to own a non-antique firearm without an FAC then the only way you can do that is with a deactivated weapon, but it does not mean all antique weapons have to be deactivated
(cont)
And if you're really interested in what constitutes an "antique firearm" in the UK, then it needs to be manufactured before 1939, have certain propulsion systems (muzzle load, pinfire, etc) and/or use on of the listed cartridges. See the Schedule - it's a long list. If it's not on the list then, irrespective of when the gun was made, it's not an antique and needs an FAC
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/215/made
There are a lot of very collectible center fire pistols that you’re destroying to safety signal
Also that makes center fire pistol sports all but impossible
>There are a lot of very collectible center fire pistols that you’re destroying to safety signal
Nobody is destroying anything. FFS can't you people read? You either need to hold them on an FAC or you dispose of them by selling them to someone who has. Sure, if you're stupid enough to hand them to the police as part of an amnesty they will destroy them. That applies to anything handed in.
>it’s okay just hand them to a museum owner who’s politically connected to reap a windfall
Nah, and this is the fate of guns in private ownership there https://www.henrykrank.com/deactivated-firearms-the-law/
Your citation refers to deactivated weapons. You don't have to deactivate them if you hold them on an FAC
FAC doesn’t cover center fire pistols. If they gave a one time exception for current owners doesn’t change that any antique center fire is gone and when they’re gone they’ll be gone totally
So show me gandpa’s officer pistols
If not any gun. I like handguns better so prioritize those
>FAC doesn’t cover center fire pistols
It does under certain, very limited circumstances.
Permanent barrel extensions which don’t just look hideous but also make the collectible bubbad and ugly
No. You can own something like a standard .38 S&W revolver for humane dispatch of deer
>>it’s okay just hand them to a museum owner who’s politically connected to reap a windfall
tell me you don't understand how UK museums work, without saying "I don't understand how UK museums work"...
Idk where he keeps getting all this shit from, his ideas about how the UK works is like a caricature.
Same could be said about you and American guns, calling every American with one a nazi - we aren’t I’m a left libertarian - claiming we’re all dying when our crime is lower than yours.
I value history and collect shit and enjoy seeing it work. If the worst happens it’s protection from bad people.
Anon I think you're talking to the wrong person since I never called anyone a buzzword.
Crime rate isn't actually lower at all when you actually factor in density properly.
You can collect history here. Literally nothing stopping you if you're truly dedicated to it.
Literally look at the red
>but the density
Cope, guns have clearly not been sufficient to make you safer or us less safe
>Same could be said about you and American guns, calling every American with one a nazi
"Citation needed"
please, do show where anyone has said "every American with a gun is a Nazi", rather than you having concocted that entire scenario in your head.
Why do you have this need to fabricate such obvious and absurd false statements which anyone with a functional brain can see to be complete bullshit?
I absolutely agree. this prime wankspangle is pulling this shit out his arse time and time again, with no clue about the reality of this country - not just UK firearms law, but every single bit he's talked about.
I wonder if he's ever even been to the UK? He's certainly not lived here.
the most incredible thing is that he can keep on going trotting out this bollocks, and not once does he have the self-awareness to pause and think "what if I'm wrong about this subject that I'm talking to people from that country about?"
>Brit tells American how to live and to give up their guns, gets told off
>seethes
Fuck you king George! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stn6Y6TD1MI
>>Brit tells American how to live and to give up their guns,
Meanwhile in reality:
Brit tells American to stop making up nonsense about the British.
>YoU ArE TelLinG AMerIcAnS HOw tO LivE!!!!1
Honestly, this is fucking pathetic.
No, we aren't telling you how to live, you complete and utter fucking moron. We arent the ones posting threads about US gun law. Stop being a goddamn whining self-victimising cunt.
These fuckwits I'm replying to don't understand the first thing about UK firearms legislation (which is, admittedly a logical minefield), never mind how you dispose of them legally. I'm amazed the guy you replied to didn't mention garden gnomes FFS
Anyway I've had enough - time for bed
> I'm amazed the guy you replied to didn't mention garden gnomes FFS
How the hell do you jump from someone saying to someone else "I'm amazed he didn't mention 'the garden gnomes'" to "these people are saying all Americans with a gun are Nazis!"
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
That's absolutely idiotic.
No, I take that back, its not idiotic. I deal with idiots regularly. That is completely and utterly pants-on-head retarded, and has no resemblance to logic or any kind of coherent thought.
are you on drugs or something?
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
Spent too long huffing paint?
I made that post and see you have comprehension issues. If you look at the post that I was obliquely referring to
>it’s okay just hand them to a museum owner who’s politically connected to reap a windfall. Post like this are often made on /b/ and 4chan because in their eyes the garden gnomes run everything and make money out of everything. I was being sarcastic about the "politically connect museum owners reaping a windfall from handed-in weapons). Nowhere did I reference gun owners or them being Nazis but, if it upsets you so much, I'll withdraw it and apologise.
Now I really am going to bed
I made that post and see you have comprehension issues. If you look at the post that I was obliquely referring to
>>it’s okay just hand them to a museum owner who’s politically connected to reap a windfall.
Posts like this are often made on /b/ and 4chan because in their eyes the garden gnomes run everything and make money out of everything. I was being sarcastic about the "politically connect museum owners reaping a windfall from handed-in weapons). Nowhere did I reference gun owners or them being Nazis but, if it upsets you so much, I'll withdraw it and apologise.
So tired I fucked up the Greentext
>Ban obsolete handguns with outdated anemic cartridges that are hard to get, allow rapid fire SPAS-15 shotgun good for mass casualty
Ironically higher calibre semi's ended up banned directly because of a mass shooting. Prior to that they were legal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
>"How can you understand? I wish I had stayed in bed." He later shouted, "It's funny. I killed all those people, but I haven't the guts to blow my own brains out." At 18:52, after a few minutes of silence, a muffled shot was heard from the school building. Ryan was subsequently unresponsive to police.
Kek
Self aware schizo's make the best mass murderers. Well, if you can call them the best, his main self probably didn't even mean it.
>allow rapid fire SPAS-15 shotgun good for mass casualty
I've never said UK laws are logical. Our firearms legislation has recently been made by a series of knee-jerk reactions to an incident that shouldn't have happened if the current laws had been enforced correctly. But the government often couldn't admit that so they have to "do something" which involves fucking over legal gun users
It's not that, it's just a rare weapon you wont find in the UK very often so we haven't really needed legislation for it.
To be honest a Spaz is just emotional because of how it looks. It's no different to a Benelli Practical Shotgun with extended mag tube
>extended mag
Shot guns are already one of the most devastating small arms around, extra mag means lots of people who could be turned into ground beef. To ban a 8mm lebel revolver because you think it’s barely 32 acp power is too dangerous when emptying the cylinder doesn’t equal one buckshot in injury but saying the more dakka shotgun is okay shows they don’t care about safety, just signaling
It’s like really, look at thumb
You miss the point. You can stick an 8mm Lebel in your pocket. That's why our shotguns have to have 24" barrels
>implying you can’t just cut it down and then get a cone of death
Like that will stop anyone who wants to kill. Keep it in car or coat and if someone tries to stop you: turn him into hamburger since you have many more shots
>hidden
That makes it much better for law abiding people since unlike the hamburger maker which is only practical when you know you want to kill you can carry them defensively when you don’t want to cause trouble and if you’re about to die you use it. It’s better public safety wise since it doesn’t over penetrate and just barely has enough power to kill
Imagine being scared of an outdated gun that barely matches 32 micros in effectiveness. How many killers do you see using those instead of much more effective full size guns or
(cont)
And on a shotgun certificate your SPAS would be limited to two cartridges in the mag, plus one in the chamber. More than that and it's an FAC you'll need
> and he's had 50 years to legalise his funs.
Most "civilised countries" have paper trails and regulation for such things anon.
fuck you, fuck your mother, and fuck any words that spew from your cunt mouth. the fact that you support any of that hysterical tyrannical bullsht shows that you are have a slave mentality and are worthy of neither pity nor respect.
>Tyrannical
I assure you I don't feel any less terrorised by my state than yours does for not letting you have tanks, jets and nukes.
I mean all things considered America is a nice place to be in so no, so long as we have rights and democracy I’m good
Your nation arrests people for "hate speech" online while Pakistani rape gangs groom your children, and are protected by the police. You arrest veterans for owning firearms. You have to have a "reason" to own a gun and not enjoy God-given rights. You have Orwellian posters extoling the virtues of mass surveillance.
Nothing you say is of value and your opinions are irrelevant.
Weird thing is a lot of other things they do like labor rights and lgbt etc are more regressive than the EU and America and they’re saying that with pride as something that sets them apart
So it’s a weird mix of liberal and reactionary authoritarian policies
There is nothing for anyone of any political leaning to like
Anon, just don't use your real name. That law only affects retards.
I don't know if it does or not, but it's an abomination that it even exists in the first place.
And Ireland has now made it a criminal offence to own any media on your devices that insult people, even if you don't post it online. Simply downloading a meme is a crime with 6 month prison time.
In USA a teenager was arrested and charged for farting in class. There are stupid laws and shit everywhere.
So? He did nothing wrong.
only becasuse he sold ammunition
>thinly veiled UK seethe thread
Sup warriortard?
Yeah I realised once I saw his iphoneposting
I know someone who had to hand in his FAL. The government paid him £150 for it. He's still seething about it today and who could blame him.
Read. Learn. Don't believe memes.
I think everybody knows that the law technically allows for some guns to be owned, but the process of owning anything that isn't a bird gun (with birdshot only, and only so many cartridges) is so onerous - "good reason", registration, permission for each gun - that most Brits can't get their hands on even a rimfire rifle.
I could get another one right now.
It's basically fill out a form, own a gun closet that up to regulation, don't be a criminal and get two good character references.
Lastly you need to actually go to range or shoot pigeons twice a year gg.
Rentoids do seethe though as
stated
>another one
That's key though, you already have an in.
I wasn't difficult getting my fist tbh. I had to write a paragraph as to why I wanted it, have an interview with a cop over the phone.
Some cop came to check out my safe to see if it was up to regulation, didn't really say all that much tbh he was chill.
Basically it. They apparently need to come and check it every so often but they haven't bothered yet honestly.
I know that seems oppressive to US citizens but honestly it's whatever.
I do suggest people from the USA fight the regulation though, it only turns into more gun grabbing and "appropriate force for self defence" laws over time as evidenced by our history.
>I know that seems oppressive to US citizens
It sounds shockingly oppressive to me as a Canadian citizen, tbh. I'm glad you went through the trouble, more gun owners is always better, but don't you worry that they might just come and take it from you one day?
Not really.
We don't get enough gun crime to really warrant more oppressive laws I guess, the only change recently was to close a loophole criminals were using to get automatic weapons. I just don't see it happening unless the crime rate gets even lower and hunting guns are somehow at the top (Unlikely)
The country has a record of being remarkably stable outside of mild rioting. Plus I view the countries goals as generally for the people (And its billionaires) so I don't see it genociding me in a violent way where my gun would help any time soon.
The only worry I guess I have is when I'm in my 80's and it's South Africa 2.0, but I think that's a worry shared by a lot of White countries IG.
>stable
You’re having cost of living (food) riots and your living standards have fallen at a rate on a par with Russia you mean stable by Africa standards?
>loop hole
You’re getting flooded by FGC9s converted to be SMGs. Banning all the nice guns didn’t stop that. A great firewall of Britain won’t either
>You’re having cost of living (food) riots
We aren't. Not sure where you've seen news of riots in the UK over cost of living or anything but it's not true. The most dispruption we've had is the 'Just Stop Oil' wackjobs conducting 'slow-marches' through London and disrupting the snooker world championship (by a PAID protestor) for 20 or so minutes.
Your food inflation is 80% over year. Worse than anything in Western Europe. Your income has also fallen back to sub bush era levels. You even have doctors and nurses getting paid less than sales clerks in America so they’re now rioting and government is trying to ban strikes
Basically Russia
My god, where do you come up with bullshit?
Do you ever pause to think "Gee, all these seething brits are telling me I'm taking nonsense. could it be that the people living in the country I'm talking about know more than me? Shit, perhaps I'm talking nonsense..."
No, I guess that self-awareness is a bit too much.
Are you completely and utterly retarded? No, food inflation is not 80%. it is at its worst rate in 40 years... at 19%.
> You even have doctors and nurses getting paid less than sales clerks in America so they’re now rioting and government is trying to ban strikes
My partner is a nurse. Several of my friends are senior doctors in hospitals. Nurses are underpaid, but they are not paid less that "sales clerks". Doctors are certainly not. And if you are going to claim you have any idea about the labyrinthine pay structure of the NHS, not even being in the UK let alone part of the system there, then you are a fucking liar.
More importantly, they have not "rioted" once. that is a bare-faced lie.
They have had strikes. The government proposed legislation preventing strikes, strikes went ahead anyway. And the government has capitulated and made pay deals which were accepted last week.
Stop talking bullshit about subjects you don't have a clue about.
Notice you can’t ever give sources to back your claims while it’s British and American papers noting you regressed to 2006 incomes
Most of those papers are lefty papers like the grauniad who exaggerate all this crap to suit their own political narrative.
> Most of those papers are lefty papers
Isn’t it ironic how Hungary, Russia and Britain’s nationalist right also want to criminalize guns? And preach obedience and have boogie men others?
Somebody tell the retarded liberal elitists in Seattle this
Also freedom loving Britifags 3d print some of these
The British right is all boomers who retired to the countryside living far far away from crime and think that guns are impolite and noisey. They're utterly detached from reality.
People should find a loophole that lets them shoot the most eeeeeeee inducing guns next to their country homes there
>Notice you can’t ever give sources to back your claims
Here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/costoflivinginsights/food
19%.
not 80, you lying cunt.
Tbf some thing are up high, cheap bread went from 55p to 85p, but that's mostly because of the Ukraine grain issue.
Cope, they’re having a melt down because automatic 9mms are going viral. American liberators should design 22lr smg and shotgun models too so that your country men can better defend themselves
>russia
It’s your financial times and pretty much any non state media that says this. Your standard of living is barely higher than it was in the 90s and Eastern Europe is surpassing you
>Live Free and Die
Fucking lmao bongs, come on, can you do nothing right
>Cost of living (Food) riots
Lmao are you reading Russian prop or something anon
>Flooded with FGC9's
It's nice when foreigners make things up about my country they knows nothing about.
>make up things
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/01/uk-police-removing-large-amount-of-online-gun-making-guides
Lol
Also it’s funny a guy from a crumbling country poorer than Mississippi and Slovenia seethes about foreigners and brown people
You are a third worlder. The foreigner at the periphery of the American world. It’s all the more relevant because your regime has authoritarian policies on every issue.
>You’re having cost of living (food) riots and your living standards have fallen at a rate on a par with Russia you mean stable by Africa standards?
Have you been OD'ing on RT and Sputnik News or something?
No, we are not having "food riots". wherever you came up with that idiotic idea, its nonsense.
There have been one or two peaceful protests outside energy firms who hiked gas and electric bills by massive amounts, while reporting record profits. There have been a few protests by the "extinction rebellion" and "just stop oil" treehuggers, for example, attempting to disrupt the f1 Grand Prix last year by a track invasion. They failed because there was a massive crash and by the time they'd invaded the circuit, the race had been stopped, all cameras were on the poor bastard upside down in the catch-fence, and they got absolutely no publicity...
whatever imaginary world you believe that the UK's living standards are on par with Russia and its riddled with riots is not even remotely close to reality. that's just laughably ignorant.
>Sputnik
>what is Financial times and NYT
Bong cope, I don’t listen to BBC or RT or Sputnik since I don’t want the brain damage
I mock Russia too but let’s be honest, you’re the same and arguably are a bigger danger since your policies could spread
>strikes
doctors snd nurses unions say hi
They say they can’t feed their families. Sounds like food strikes
Faced with actual counter argument = cope. Gotcha.
>strikes
No shit. The NHS has been criminally stripped by the government for the past 12 years while the extra work load has been contracted out to companies totally or partially owned by other MPs. Tory government in a nutshell.
So you deny you’re one of the poorest regimes in Western Europe? You deny having the worst inflation there?
How was I wrong
>stable
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/27/investing/uk-bond-crash-italy-greece/index.html
Lol no
Just stop talking to warriortard, he's on a seethe journey today.
>The NHS has been criminally stripped by the government for the past 12 years
Lol it's got loads of money, it just gets squandered by the management constantly who'll throw money at rubbish and hire more of their friends in as managers
>t. worked for th nhs
No you didn't.
I did, the management is garbage and is literally the entire problem. There's loads of money going in, it just gets lost in mismanagement.
> are on par with Russia
Their decline is on a par with Russia- which was a third world to begin with- their actual standards are on a par with Poleand
Which is disastrous. Go from superpowers to backwater that’s being surpassed by former backwaters
> Plus I view the countries goals as generally for the people
Sure is very “for the people” policies
>everything worth owning in the report to police station for destruction tier
What a country of absolute cowed losers
Gonna grab everything in that list in memory of those who can’t
>100 year old guns are too dangerous must be destroyed
>perfectly legal to import a SPAS-15 with a longer barrel is alright
Bongs are stupid retarded huh.
almost feel sorry for bongs
The UK isn't one country, it is four (technically 7). If I go to Jersey (Crown Dependency) there is no gun laws other than 'it cannot be fully auto'. In that respect, UK has better gun laws than USA. But that's one place. In Northern Ireland I can get a conceal carry license for a handgun. I cannot in Scotland, Wales or England. I can own a long-barrelled handgun in those nations. I can own long-barrelled revolvers in those nations. I can own muzzle-loaded revolvers in those nations. I can have shoguns, semi-autos up to .22LR and then bolt action up to .50BMG. I'd need a 'reason' but I can still do it. I can theoretically get handguns in those three nations but it's heavy effort to do and thus not really worth it.
So, again, when talking about 'UK' you need to specify where you mean exactly, because much like USA, the laws are not the same in each state.
>as long as you pick one of the few types of guns we still let normal people have, the hardest part is really just complying with our rules about how to store your own property in your own home
What a nation of meddling busybodies.
>American should either annex and liberate Britain
PLEASE. I'd love for Texas levels of stand your ground and firearms ownership.
It has been increasingly popular in the news of shootings in the UK. How are we supposed to defend ourselves?
Why vatniks are seething about the UK again? Is it because Russia got embarrassed by the UK giving no shit about their airspace claims again?
Probably.
>calling Britain island Russia = pro Russia
>implying they aren’t both gun grabbing hellholes
Holy cope, I’m just dunking on Brit’s who justify banning handguns and say their country is so much safer
>I’m just dunking on Brit’s who justify banning handguns
No one is falling for it
>post gun control thread proclaiming how successful island Russia is thanks to gun bans
>cry when facts don’t care
Okay noguns.
What are you doing here if you want them banned anyways?
Also, extra ridiculous to equate Britain to Ukraine since the guy who saved Ukraine likes to dunk on your regime and actually has the guns to donate
How could I be him when I call them island Russia. They’re both the same thing. Authoritarian countries who ban everything. Also both hate gays lol so I’m fine with watching them go down
Stop replying to Warriortard's thread.
The UK is PrepHole as it gets. He's mad because everyone hates Russia here.
> The UK is PrepHole as it gets.
If my grandfather had stayed there he’d be in need of a prison break rn
He got jailed for selling ammunition gay
Fuck that, he’s a patriot and k should have stormed the prison and set him free
Your ONS is almost Russia tier bad at lying
Your samefagging is not fooling me gay.
Unless you can prove you also don't follow the gun laws in the US shut the fuck up.
American gun laws are pretty reasonable so honestly I don’t feel like risking my gun rights over a sup when I can just pay a tax and get it
If they banned my stuff -scotus wouldn’t let them- of course I wouldn’t let them take it
And I give away rare ammo to friends so what does it matter
He did no wrong. They sent k grandpa to prison for a crime he didn’t commit
>The UK is PrepHole as it gets
What is this delusion
>The UK is PrepHole as it gets
Very demoralized now comrade from hampshire oblast
I hate Russians as much as the next guy, but surely you can't think that it's all russkie propaganda when England gets made fun of on a *weapons board*
>I hate Russia buuuuuuuut
Nice one you disingenuous vatmoron gay. The UK has had gun control for ages. Pretty obvious the agenda behind all the sudden spam about it.
>The UK has had gun control for ages
Yeah, that's why it's getting laughed at on the gun board, you absolute retard lmao
The UK actually has permissive gun laws compared to the entirety of the globe. If you actually cared about this issue you’d be laughing at China instead of crying about the UK. This is why no one believes it.
It doesn’t. They’re literally on a par with Russia and “at least we’re not China” doesn’t cut it
If you ban my collection and seize ancestral guns I’ll dunk on you
So the reason you’re seething about the UK and not the other 3/4 of the globe shaded red on your cope map is? Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with that embarrassing little Crimean airspace incident now could it, my gun collector friend?
>What Crimean airspace? I have hear nothing about that in Hampshire Oblast!
You want me to seethe at 1/4 of Africa and Russia (already getting btfo) in a thread where Brit’s kept loudly proclaiming like
that no gunz was the model to follow? Fuck it
Seattle liberal elitists won’t emulate Russia as a role model but they are likely to listen to Britain’s Putinesque nationalist right so fair game to point out not only is their crime higher but they also are a Russian style nightmare everywhere else
I know this is a really difficult concept for you, but IF, as a tea-sipping god-save-the-queen pip-pip old chapping Brit, I were for any reason going to try to tell the US what they should be doing, firearms legislation would be WAY down the list, below basic shit like
>"maybe you should stop electing neo-fascists."
>"You know, universal healthcare is actually a good thing."
>"have you tried not having the religious crazies dictating all those laws cutting away at women's rights?"
and that all time smash hit
>"You really shouldn't go around telling every other country what to do and thinking you're the most powerful nation in the world, and boasting about it. Trust us, eventually you're no longer the top dog, and people hate you. Ask us how we know this..."
The plain simple truth is, gun control is a horse that bolted a century ago. there's more guns than people, you're never going to control them.
If you did want to reduce firearms deaths in the US, my honest opinion as a brit is that gun control's not going to help nearly as much as healthcare improvements helping people get mental health aid easier. and universal healthcare would also make a bigger improvement to society in things like poverty in communities, which in turn would also assist in reducing firearms deaths.
I know you're fixated on the idea that the UK's commie pinko leftist antifa fascists are going to take your guns(tm) but honestly, most brits just think that the US's obsession with the gun is weird and simply don't want that culture to propagate over here. We might share the same language, but the UK is a completely different place culturally from the US, and we mostly get exasperated at Americans telling us what we should have for our gun laws, when we don't have the same gun culture. Gun use has always been far less popular than the US. you were a frontier culture where the gun was a survival item. We stopped having a frontier a thousand years before the gun was invented.
Lol at the rant here with
First saying anyone who reports on your failings is a “leftist paper” now complaining we see you as pink
>NHS
I want universal health care but nah https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-waits-hospitals-covid-flu-b2261080.html?amp
Centralizing health care under your regime has made it have the worst outcomes of any developed country. The poor do better here with Medicaid, there you just let anyone not elite die from heart attacks and cancer
>religion
You’re way more regressive on social issues than not just our federal government but the Supreme Court. Case in point your regime seethes about lgbt while even trump appointees made work place discrimination illegal
No your gun ban did not make you liberal hippy like. It just was a symptom of your country sliding down into Russian style ruined country facism
Your regime only wants power to be in its hand
I dont think you know what the word "rant" is, not do I think you understand a word of what I said.
Those are very broad comparisons, to be fair. Canada and Australia are both yellow, and Australia makes Canada look like Arizona in terms of gun laws.
If you can tell by Ukraine it’s a pre handgun ban. And I’ve heard things are pretty bad there. Funny how even California places green
>The UK actually has permissive gun laws compared to the entirety of the globe
It has permissive gun laws compared to the authoritarian dictatorships that don't allow guns at all. That's not a high bar. In terms of the free world, the UK is at the bottom of the list.
Also worse than all the EU
and 3/4s of Africa and Middle East and Latin
Other developing countries are more free
Frontiers still need guns, Europe is one of the highest density areas in the world.
If you want a proper comparison you would compare it to NYC and not the mostly empty states in the US.
Europe's borders have a ton of states that smuggles guns like crazy, so it makes sense for them to need a bi more lax law to counter criminals.
UK has the ability to more easily regulate imports of rifles unlike Europe, so it's far more difficult for criminals to get guns.
At some point you need to realise it's not tyranny, but rationality that drives the laws. The laws makes no sense in the USA or even Europe, but kinda do for the UK.
You can call it tyranny, but me being terrified walking around at night because of other morons owning guns or being caught in crossfire just so I can survive crime that doesn't happen here outside of major cities is just another form of tyranny to me.
I do want tasers to be legal though that shit make no sense, and I would fight that law to my death.
>At some point you need to realise it's not tyranny, but rationality that drives the laws
No can do. If that's what you honestly believe, then we're way too far apart to ever understand each other.
If it wasn't the case, Northern Ireland, which is effectively controlled by the same state, would not be allowed to carry handguns while the mainland isn't.
The situation dictate the law here. Safety is valuable, I'm sure you rarely complain about US workplace or building safety laws quite as much as you go on about gun laws.
But I guess you do have that origin meme where you fought off the British with guns, so you have that in you, most of the rest of the world neve had, or doesn't have that, and thus balances freedom with risk to make a happier society.
>I'm sure you rarely complain about US workplace or building safety laws quite as much as you go on about gun laws
I'm not American, and this is a terrible comparison that just illustrates our vastly different mindsets.
NYC still rates as more liberalized than all of Europe except Ukraine and baltics as of 2012
I would say it’s a bad analogy as our cities are not despotic, especially by an International century standard but early 20th c NYC did almost ban guns using racism against Italians and others as their justifier. Of course American freedom bitch slapped those laws
>Europe
With a few exceptions it’s bans are way more moderate than Britain’s although still bad by international
It’s fitting you’ve been ranting about darkies in your third world country all thread. You want to ban guns just because you’re afraid they might get them too. Same authoritarian right logic as racist New York
It’s also going to fail. Printer is coming and there are more and more FGC’s every day. Since you hate freedom I won’t feel bad if they use them to rob you.
> because of other morons owning guns
And immigrants and Brit’s as a whole stab and carjack in your country at a higher rate than America so lmao at win little lose big. Especially with ghost guns coming
>It’s fitting you’ve been ranting about darkies in your third world country all thread. You want to ban guns just because you’re afraid they might get them too. Same authoritarian right logic as racist New York
Ok I'm racist, and?
Stabbings are higher, but I'd rather be stabbed by a 3in blade than a gun.
But regardless comparatively it's lower crime as a whole, especially comparing the UK to US cities of similar densities there is just no comparison.
Don't be fooled by the violence stats quoted in the thread either, Britain generally has a far lower crime rate, it just has a far lower bar for what is considered assault and or battery, and thus things that wouldn't be considered a violent crime in the US are in the UK.
I'm not really concerned so much about carjackings either since that's mostly old shitboxes.
But this level of safety/success (I guess) cannot be mirrored in the US so it's not really relevant to your politics.
The argument laid out in my previous post about porous borders and the ability of criminals to get guns is a major one, at the very least not while Mexico exists.
I can be pro US gun laws in the US, but pro UK gun laws in the UK. This is not a position that is opposed to one another.
So it’s hilarious you talk about how hip and liberal you are. You pretend you’re enlightened but really you’re just a right wing statist like Putin
So what if they attack. Your laws are what made violent crime so high. Get a gun, train and any stabber is immediately outmatched. No need for collective punishment when you can deal with individuals case by case
>Left
>Right
>Liberal
>Statist
Buzzword Buzzword Buzzword Buzzword EVERY COUNTRY NEEDS TO BE THE SAME REGARDLE OF CIRCUMSTANCES
Alright Hitler.
Hitler was pro gun control and pro central government
Just like you
It's not really a central government when the UK has created 3 devolved governments in the last 40 years anon.
You're beyond reality.
beyond reality?
he's so far out there over the reality Event Horizon, its laughable.
>Britcope because the enlighten and Federations missed your shores
Let me guess, this triggers you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stn6Y6TD1MI
>"Cope!" "cope" "cope!"
is your vocabulary so stunted that screaming "cope!" every time you get called out as the hysterical fantasist you are is the only thing you're able to do?
Doesn't it embarrass you that you parrot absurd lies day in day out about your obsessions, and people are laughing at you?
It’s a unitary government not a federalist, you have no written constitution and you randomly revoke their autonomy like in Scotland recently
It’s like China saying Tibet is devolved
>you have no written constitution
immediate signifier that someone has no fucking clue what they're talking about
Literally true https://guides.ll.georgetown.edu/c.php?g=365741&p=2471214#:~:text=The%20United%20Kingdom%20has%20never,John%20of%20England%20in%201215.
It’s what has let authoritarian governments run you this century when all that holds you back from hitlerism is decorum
It is literally true, but it doesn't mean anything, which is what demonstrates you don't understand know what you're talking about. Singular written constitutional documents do not possess some magic power. Britain could legislate one tomorrow and nothing would functionally change, youre just repeating stuff you've read other people say.
That’s the problem, you could literally by law become a carbon copy of nazi Germany in law and nothing would slow that
Power is compartmentalized and decentralized and minority rights are guaranteed in America so it’s very hard for hitler to change it in his image
Retard, your entire government system is effectively a (Better imo) copy of the bong system but federalised.
>No written constitution
Lmao ok we're done here I'm talking to a retard.
America’s republic movement based just as much on Rome and Greece as yours, adams cites Basque Country and the Lycian league but not you. Stop me if you know why Lycia is important. The few things they did emulate were Hamilton’s banks
We even held ourselves to be different from you economically https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)
So no, we shed stupid ideas starting from having a constitution onwards
The crime rate isn't really that high anon.
Honestly.
Stop believing retarded media that compares non like for like statistics, the way we measure crimes and work with statistics is often dissimilar and should not be directly compared without deep analysis and data driven models that actually compare the differences on a case basis.
American crime rate isn’t high, even post pandemic it’s a third of 1970s
>success
Lol https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/
Even pro Brit sources admit your violent robbery rate is double of America
When you have a massive poor population in a country that oligarch islands aside is a post soviet hellscape bans won’t work.
Comparing it to "America" and not similar density states does you a disservice anon.
>Post soviet
Ah, a retard.
>at least we aren't as bad as the literal communist dictatorship
the absolute state
I’m loving the “if you hate gun control you’re a Russian” the Huns, Russians and Brits are basically the same
Ukraine is being pretty based tho, good for them and the other blues
>sudden spam
Ukraimorons are so fucking delusional and fed on propaganda it's unreal, there is a "make fun of the great European garbage patch" thread every couple days. Fuck the UK I hope that vile rock gets sank like Atlantis.
Kill British people, decapitate British people, slam dunk an English baby in the trash can, shoot redcoats with muskets, fire on surrendering British in New Orleans, run over British people in an M1 Abrams, throw British tea in the Boston Harbor, smash British heads with a Sledgehammer, barbeque British people on 4th of July
>American should either annex and liberate Britain
Don't threaten us with a good time
>OMG UK FOOD PRICES UP 80% LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE
>Ignores the article which stated one store upped their price for one product that much
>this means that all stores did and all prices went up that much
>ignoring that is what sells clicks
how fucking retarded are you idiots? like on a scale of 1-10? you screech about how msm lies and then go
>achutually they don't lie...
finally who the fuck actually cares about the UK? jesus christ PrepHole is one of the most obsessed fucking boards with this irrelevant nation and i am fucking sick of seeing it on PrepHole. warriortard must be a mod because i see no reason why he isn't range banned for shitting up this place and all his cp discord buddies.
You made a gun control thread and said banning our guns is hip and good idea
You got welcomed with reality
If you don’t like that stop shilling the British gun control model
It's a warirortard thread, he's (Supposedly) American anon.
Well okay the Brit’s did a good job at rushing in and defending their bans so they still deserve it for being stupid
Do not post threads about gun control. They belong on 4chan.
I know my fellow burgers are giving you bongs a good ribbing about your gun laws, but I genuinely feel for you guys. Don't let them get you down about your shotguns and rifles, or how you had your pistols taken away. I am rooting for you lads from the other side of the pond, I hope you fight all the nonsense in any way you can. Keep shooting, keep the hobby alive, future bongs will thank you for it
They all support taking pistols away. Stockholm syndrome
>They all support taking pistols away.
I was a pistol owner when the law was changed, so I didn't and still don't. But that ship has sailed.
I just think I'll go out and buy some unpasteurised cheese and Kinder eggs
>I just think I'll go out and buy some unpasteurised cheese and Kinder eggs
But I can buy those in continental Europe and still have handguns? There's no injustice the Brit won't gladly suffer and beg for more
>I just think I'll go out and buy some unpasteurised cheese and Kinder eggs
you got a loicense for that bruv?
Don't need one - I live in a land of restriction-free dairy. Plus I can cross the road at any point I wish.
You can buy unpasteurized dairy in the United States, you just need to buy it from the farm itself. It can't be sold commercially because of liability concerns. Unpasteurized cheese is fine if it is aged 60 days.
You the guy saying a lebel revolver should be banned because it can fit in a (very large) pocket?
>ship has sailed
Tyrants rule from apathy
>You the guy saying a lebel revolver should be banned because it can fit in a (very large) pocket?
I'm the guy you linked to but, once again, you seem to be like many others ITT with either a comprehension or strawman problem. Nowhere did I say, or have ever said, that handguns should be banned.
>Tyrants rule from apathy
I refer you to Reinhold Niebuh's Serenity Prayer (secular version).
my dad's friend was doing work on his land and when he drained a pond he discovered it was full of white phosphorous shells. no one had any idea where they'd come from.
Why do anons care about other countries gun law? I grew up in where my country is an anomoly in the region with high gun ownership rate relatively. I just accept some places like guns and some dont even if the law is a bit retarded sometime.
>Why do anons care about other countries gun law?
Strictly speaking, I don't. But Bongs and Krauts spread their gay and cucked opinions on firearm ownership wherever they go, so they must be contained for the common good.
>CTRL+F Warrirotard
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Kek, the organized british political shills are starting to spread into gun threads. There might as well be saudis on /a/ saying "Yes we are allowed to own anime, with a loicense from the anti maturation police!"
The funny thing is they kept defending handgun bans while insisting anyone who loves handguns is a Russian
Russia bans handguns too lmao.
>shills
This is why I call them island russia
>The funny thing is they kept defending handgun bans
Any British shooter who supported a ban on handguns on this board was a troll, a retard, not an actual shooter or not an actual Brit.
Kind of baffled that anyone would defend the UKs god awful self defence laws. "reasonable force" is a joke, anything less than castle doctrine + stand your ground is a joke.
What the hell is warriortard anyways and why is that what’s shouted whenever anyone asks bongs if they support their shit gun laws?
Hi warriortard
Try using something besides your Iphone next time.
>only one guy doesn’t like UK gun laws or like you promoting them as a global model
Cope, If you get dunked on that’s for defending melting this
>UK is as PrepHole as it gets
Lmao
>You miss the point. You can stick an 8mm Lebel in your pocket. That's why our shotguns have to have 24" barrels
Pretty obvious defense
America must be a scary place to you. Stuff like this in everyone’s pocket
>What happened to all the guns now illegal due to a law change in 1996
I forget where I read it but the turn in rate for pistol in '96 was crazy low and due to poor record keeping (no national registry. each police station kept their own paper records) most people who didn't hand in their pistols were never found out.
So the answer is that most of them are still in the wild.
Other people have given specific answers, but in response to this particular part:
>What happened to all the guns
There were very few to begin with.
This is also a point that the anti-gun types either don't understand or choose to ignore when they use Britain as an example that the US could follow. Mainland Great Britain (Northern Ireland is a different story) had very little gun culture and very low gun ownership even before the ban, and a huge percentage of the guns that were owned were types of gun that remained legal after the ban (which obviously didn't cover all firearms). There were very few guns to confiscate, and the people who had them were almost always willing to hand them over without any kind of fuss.
The anti-gun Americans who think the US could do what Britain did are completely retarded.