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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. You didn't. The ammo in your mags isn't going to explode if hit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      *magazine shard slices your jugular*
      nothing personnel kiddo

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The ammo in your mags isn't going to explode if hit.
      am I a joke to you?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sir, as much as this pains me to say it, I'm not a BB

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          380mm naval guns are the ultimate home defense solution, and very few bad guys have big enough guns to penetrate your armor

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw can only shoot two guns at a time, and only one with any real kind of accuracy
          >can't even use triple digit milimeter weaponry
          Feels bad man

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What level of copium is this, a round isn't going to ride the ammo in your mags into your throat. A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >rounds can't ricochet off of ceramic because... because they just can't
      your post is as bad OP

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are actually fricking moronic.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument, but it's as brain dead as a response I would've expected from a stupid monkey such as yourself

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but
            >homosexual claims highground with "not an argument"
            >proceeds to post a non argument himself

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are actually fricking moronic.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The entire point of ceramic armor isnt to defeat the round on the surface dipshit, ceramic intentionally fails in compression and captures the round in the composite backer. The entire idea is to have the round ENTER the plate. Its an entirely different defeat mechanism than metallic armor which tries its hardest to keep rounds outside.

        Add to that basically every ceramic plate is tighly glued together and has either a nylon or kevlar layer in front to contain ceramic ejecta, its a complete non-issue.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        How fricking dumb are you?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a round isn't going to ride the ammo in your mags into your throat
      No, it'll just detonate them and at best only set your rig on fire.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shooting ammunition does not detonate it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This does not happen

        >rounds can't ricochet off of ceramic because... because they just can't
        your post is as bad OP

        And you are also fricking moronic

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Shooting ammunition does not detonate it.

          We've literally seen it happen in Ukraine alone multiple times. Bullets hit loaded mags and set them alight.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, couldn't be a result of all the explosives. Everyone knows when a round detonates out of battery they retain the exact velocity they have out of a barrel and are absolutely lethal. It's why whenever ammo stores go up in flames firefighters have to wear ballistic armor. Man Ukraine just disproves everything we know about physics

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ok. Post a video that proves its the ammunition and not a tracer.

              [...]
              We've literally seen it happen in Ukraine alone multiple times. Bullets hit loaded mags and set them alight.

              don't know why all you gays are acting like google doesn't exist. Shooting ammo in a mag can ignite the powder, but it probably won't blow up the mag because there is no pressure in the ruptured case and the powder just burns off. I guess you could have the bullet nick the primer or something but even the metal fragments from that would probably get stopped by the other rounds or the mag body.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok. Post a video that proves its the ammunition and not a tracer.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/CLmyWYc.jpg

            Did we win?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        real life is not like the movies or video games my man, if a magazine gets hit it just rips through the mag body (be it plastic or metal) and then brass ammo like shooting a tin can. A hole is punched in and the powder just pours out. you need open flame for the loose powder to ignite, and it still won't look like the movies

        Also the OP is a gay and the company is shilling a snake oil argument

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        itll actually work like ERA and completely nullify the bullet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/CLmyWYc.jpg

        Did we win?

        *magazine shard slices your jugular*
        nothing personnel kiddo

        >t. morons who never saw the footage of Navy book DEALS getting btfo not having this particular problem

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        nope, it explodes outward more than that tiny little flare will protect you.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nope, it explodes outward more than that tiny little flare will protect you.
          >it explodes outward
          so away from your neck? or are the fragments boomerang shaped and turn back to slash your neck?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            bro, try to put a tiny bit of thought into it

            the flare doesnt do shit

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
              it it's so evident: what exactly is the geometry of frag being created on the outward surface of the plate, being launched on a path towards your neck and not intersecting that flare? is it the blue line?

              >the flare doesn't do shit
              if your complaint is that that particular flare is too small - just make it a bit bigger.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                you dont own any steel targets and have never shot them. no, i wont elaborate further. you're dead wrong.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I own steel targets and have shot many steel plates. I'm pretty sure his design would catch the worst / most dangerous shrapnel. The exact same design feature was used for medieval breastplates to deflect splinters from arrowshafts away from the neck and face

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                i dont believe you. whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it. when you shoulder a rifle your head goes way forward of the plate, the curve in the plate would need to be laughably huge.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it
                That is not what I have observed. I have always seen, more or less, a straight line of shredded terrain developing parallel to the face of the plate extending in both directions, indicating that the majority of the shrapnel is being deflected parallel to the face of the plate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it
                >in front of it
                where the frick is your neck!?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"every modern army and swat force is moronic and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."

                >you dont own any steel targets
                yes i do - fragments larger than specks of paint never go behind the plane of the plate surface except when you hit very near the edge - a 0.5" flare would probably take care of that too. even that's probably not worth the effort in 95% of cases - hence why most plates fielded don't have them.

                >a bit bigger.
                Significantly. At least 4-5 inches, which is going to make your piece of shit steel armor very top heavy. And your biceps and thighs are also going to be shredded unless you turn that plate into a bowl.

                >At least 4-5 inches
                >steel armor
                yeah every piece of frag is just as powerful as the bullet that created the frag in the first place apparently. are we talking about bullets or 30mm frag rounds?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"every modern army and swat force is moronic and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."
                ??? Zero armies or SWAT teams use steel plates.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro, try to put a tiny bit of thought into it

                the flare doesnt do shit

                Oh look, close-up high-speed video of frags following the plane of the plane of the plate almost perfectly.
                NTA, and not saying steel plates are good, but he has a point and you're an idiot.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it follows the plane perfectly
                oh. huh. what if we added a ridge, or rim, or something, and it perfectly followed that

                away from your face

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah that's what he was basically saying - you're both saying that fragments don't magically curve to strike areas that are shaded by the plate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                See

                yeah that's what he was basically saying - you're both saying that fragments don't magically curve to strike areas that are shaded by the plate.

                I was backing up what you were saying in

                https://i.imgur.com/JL30Zpe.jpg

                > try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
                it it's so evident: what exactly is the geometry of frag being created on the outward surface of the plate, being launched on a path towards your neck and not intersecting that flare? is it the blue line?

                >the flare doesn't do shit
                if your complaint is that that particular flare is too small - just make it a bit bigger.

                and

                https://i.imgur.com/CkNd8v7.jpg

                >A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.

                .

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a bit bigger.
                Significantly. At least 4-5 inches, which is going to make your piece of shit steel armor very top heavy. And your biceps and thighs are also going to be shredded unless you turn that plate into a bowl.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I want a Paul Harrell meat test of this shit to unironically settle this

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                there's dozens (if not hundreds) of high-speed footage videos on youtube that show bullets hitting plates, steel targets, blocks of pretty much any metal conceivable: the frag never goes behind the plane of the plate - it is physically impossible (unless the plate itself got ganked, of course.)

                the problem with frag going into your face/neck is about the plate being angled slightly backwards or you craning your head forward. that can be solved by having a decent carrier and either kevlar neck protection or a flange on the plate. people forget that bullet frag moving at about 90 degrees off the original impact angle will be far less energetic than the original impact - often even if it hits your neck it will be more of a painful nuisance than anything life-threatening - and even that is fairly rare. remember: the alternative is having a hole in your chest.

                i'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.
                This. If steel is what I can afford, I'd rather have that and risk spalling to the jaw then taking a center mass gunshot wound.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If steel is what I can afford,
                But you can afford ceramic if you can afford steel, there are less costly ceramic plates that do more and weigh half as much. Militech's RF2 model is a great example, they are like sub-200 dollars for a PAIR.
                Blackbeard's SOCOM contract-chaser overruns (4.75lb M61/BZ/M80a1, genuinely same performance as the LTC 28590) are hilariously the same price as AR500s "A1" steel. For God's sake, I got a pair of Gen V SOCOM TSAs for 300

                You are antagonistically, willfully moronic if you buy steel in 2023 and justify it with "cost"

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >are the fragments boomerang shaped and turn back to slash your neck?
            Yes 🙁

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're poor you don't need armor you need to fix your life rather than buy larpgay dreamtoys which do nothing for your real situation.

    But you won't even though you could buy many more weapons as reward for success. Why settle for poorgay armor when you have years to save money for the good shit?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      instant gratification

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing for your real situation? I assume you don’t live in US if you’re saying that shit.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Two more weeks, right?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Of course I live in the US. What idiot imagines that's dangerous in general? Don't live with trash, that easy. The internet isn't coming to get you.

        I live in South Carolina and haven't needed to lock my doors since moving to current location in 1996, but I do not live in the wrong locale which is key. Every area has a wrong place. I left the NY metro area when crime was serious back in '81 and could still roam safely around most of that city too.

        Shit's easy. Don't make or reinforce stupid choices. The US is vast and prosperous but the media concentrate on bottom-feeder trash and sexciting violence. Violence in the US is primarily a Wakandan and Wakandan-equivalent problem. I want them to kill each other and their fratricide is no loss to good citizens.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is you can buy chink ceramics for the same price that don't totally suck

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They make shit to catch the spall anyway. Most of you should be buying steel plates so your fat asses will lose a bit of weight carrying them around.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    my heavy steel plates have spall liners and non newtonian fluid inserts.

    I think I'll be okay

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How heavy is each plate including all those inserts and backers if you have them.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are heavy and would slow me down for sure, I got them to have rifle resistant armor in case of home invasion. So in the end realistically how long would I be wearing them?

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't they just add the anti spall bend or have them encapsulated with a kevlar ring as an option?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because that would interfere with their bottom line. Ar500 has steel to sell at inflated prices, if they cost anymore than they do now theyd just drive more people into get real, not shit, bodyarmor.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/CkNd8v7.jpg

        >A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.

        It just feels like there doesn't have to be a compromise ground of duct taped together ceramic plates and epoxied fiberglass and "actual armor" that is effective.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    brass, aluminum, and plastic wont fragment. i doubt steelcase would either

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    A kevlar gorget would catch any fragments. Also poorgays ITT

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both Ukranians and Russians wear steel armor in the current conflict and I have literally not seen a single fricking report of anyone being killed or injured by spalling at all.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Both Ukranians and Russians wear steel armor
      source?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://etaplius.lt/naujiena/del-paramos-ukrainai-verslas-susitelke-labai-greitai

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The thicc Nylon vest contains all the spalling. You only suffer spalling issues if you wear Larperator ultra thin plate carriers (yes even with ceramic plates).

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bevors are coming back!

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather have a non 100% chance of a hole in me vs just eating a bullet ripping through my torso, especially my lungs. All the cope about 'muh frag/spall' ignores that sucking chest wounds are 100% fatal if you don't get medivac'd rapidly. Especially so if you are still in combat.

    Frag/spall MIGHT (not guaranteed) hurt you bad, a bullet ABSOLUTELY will.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      no, no - better to have a hole in your lungs than to risk some tiny ass low velocity grit scraping your neck or, god forbid your chin.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's even better when you fricking duct tape a 20$ expired kevlar insert to it and suddenly it's literally impossible for that to happen. Or better yet get the spall lining shit.
        >Hescos are better
        True and real, especially if you can get a deal.
        >Ceramics are NIJ 4+++++++ Omega rated only 999.99$ per plate.
        If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.

        Anyways I run steel because the off chance I get spalled/BFD'd/whatever the frick'd is less than the percentage chance a gunshot just kills me. Plus I already got them before I realized how bad the weight is.

        Picrel, the setup that threw my back out when I tried to do burpees with it on. (All around steel plates with trauma pads and spall liner+spall sleeve)

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >steel
          >not titanium
          lol, poorgay
          >inb4 "muh equivalent protection by weight due to hardening yada-yada"
          titanium plates laser engraved with bulging pecs and tasteful nipples is the only acceptable form of ballistic protection.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you don't let it out in the sun, kevlar doesn't really degrade too much until year 25

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.

          utterly wrong and discredits everything else you just said. there are videos of people getting shot with full sized rifle rounds to plates and not even flinching

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.

          Dumbass monkeybabble, entirely unsupported by any field reports. 30-06ap has about the same KE as a 308FMJ. Same for M993. Black folkteel just cant stop even wet fart semi-AP rounds like BZ-API or M80a1, so its perfectly optimized cope for you to say "oh anything my steel can stop will kill you anyway"

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      any center mass hit with any firearm is a critical injury that at absolute best will involve months of recovery.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey how about you spend just as much/save a bit more and get some protection that won't even give you frag/spalling issues, on top of being lighter and offering better protection in general? Just a thought.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        because the people still buying and using AR500 armor in 2023 are so broke that the ~$150 difference between a set of 10 lbs. steel plates and a set of 8 lbs. NIJ-cert'd Level IV ceramics from Hesco is an insurmountable obstacle

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can literally get level IV ceramic armor for $60 less than AR500's flagship product with their "buildup" coating ($358 for a set); https://blackbeardpp.com/shop/ols/products/nij-level-iv-hard-armor-plate/v/VKSG9115-L4SA

          And the ceramics are NEARLY FOUR POUNDS LIGHTER.

          Choosing steel armor over ceramic isn't a matter of being poor or not anymore, ceramics have come down in price to the point that it's actively choosing an inferior product just because you're too stubborn and/or moronic to see the truth.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            ceramics are junk if hit once
            Steel is only weak in a spot

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              not only is this argument moronic, it's also incorrect

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have ceramic plates but having a set of steel would be nice as a backup, you cant break them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/r7BWryp.jpg

      >I don't wear x because of a risk of me being hit by spalling
      >wearing nothing and having a 100% chance of being hit by fricking bullets is fine though

      I'd rather be mobile than lug around 25+ pounds of armor alone, forget all the other kit you have on you. You don't need to worry about getting shot if you aren't slow as frick because of your plates.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you arent moronic, you can have front/back/side plates right at 12lbs for about 650 bucks altogether that stop any real-world AP (BZ-API, M61, M80a1, B-32).

        If you fall for the poly meme you can have front/back/sides at like 6lbs.

        Either of those are leagues less than 25lbs, and neither will perceptibly make you "less agile" for bounding between cover, its moronic poorgay post-facto justification. If you ditch sideplates, you are looking at 9 or 5lbs respectively.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >posted by ar500 armor
    lol
    lmao even
    herb'd

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't wear x because of a risk of me being hit by spalling
    >wearing nothing and having a 100% chance of being hit by fricking bullets is fine though

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >driving a car with a leaky fuel system that is likely to catch fire

      vs.

      >driving a car that isn't a beaned out piece of shit with rotted lines and works just fine, safely getting you where you need to be

      critical thinking skills, improve them.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        why do you pretend to be moronic

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          why do you defend steel plates instead of buying superior ceramics?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          your response explains why you're still poor and can only afford steel, thanks.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Armor plates aren't cars

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No you fricking Black person, the point is buying plates that are actually GOOD.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They think it makes them faster and bullets dont hit them

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    AR500 gays on suicide watch kek

    ceramic chads keep winning

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Theres nothing wrong with steel plates, Ukraine has proven that

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >implying i have armor
    im poor as shit so i have to make due with a hand-me-down SKS and a chest rig

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >won't that frag if it's shot?
    It literally won't, what moron wrote this?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The same moron in the business of selling overpriced steel targets as body armor

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I seriously fricking hate poor people.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, strap 2 20 lb steel plates to your body, you can just lift more to avoid spinal and knee injuries from having to carry excessive weight for hours on end

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have metal plates just get a spall sleeve for it they're pretty inexpensive
    Or if you're a mega poorgay like me get some gorilla glue duct tape and wrap those lil homies up
    Or you could not be a gay and get ceramic plates

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    AR500's spall liner is shit and won't reliably stop it.
    That being said, there is at least one company that sells a steel plate with a liner (and some kind of cork like material) that will contain the spall from multiple hits.

    ?t=170

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yikes, geargays are the same as zombie apolacypse nerds. Having cans of beans in your basement is 10000x more important in whatever gay fantasy you have of all supply chains collapsing. But im guessing they dont even have homes/basements.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Has there ever been a single case of taking a round to the plate and having the spalling render you combat ineffective? And not some youtube video with some ballistic gel. An actual case out there in the wild. Surely with all the conflicts around the globe over the years and the the massive amounts of steel out walking around there should be some good cases right?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >taking a round to the plate
      it happened to my dad - he put reinforced conveyor belt rubber on both sides of his steel cuirass and survived a pocket knife sized piece of grad rocket hitting his chest - did knock him out for a few minutes and break 5 ribs though. the inside piece of conveyor belt had some pretty nasty fragments of the armour itself embedded in it. but i guess that's ghetto rig territory.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Conveyor belting is respectably tough and quite dense. It would be interesting to see what a conveyor belt/UHMW sandwich would do.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    emil matasareanu wore a lvl 3 soft vest with a steel plate backer hand-sewn onto it and he took a double tap of 5.56 and it didn't put him down.
    Is it optimal? No, but it works.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop arguing with morons that buy steel plates. Let them make their own mistakes and suffer the consequences. Most of the posts here are just bait anyways.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people buy cheap stuff? Its not a money thing, we're not talking about buying a million dollar saltwater center console - its not stupid money - its just delaying buying that thing for a couple of months so you can save up just a little more and have a nice thing.

    I literally cannot understand it and the gun community is ground fricking zero for this moronic behavior.

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