What level of copium is this, a round isn't going to ride the ammo in your mags into your throat. A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.
The entire point of ceramic armor isnt to defeat the round on the surface dipshit, ceramic intentionally fails in compression and captures the round in the composite backer. The entire idea is to have the round ENTER the plate. Its an entirely different defeat mechanism than metallic armor which tries its hardest to keep rounds outside.
Add to that basically every ceramic plate is tighly glued together and has either a nylon or kevlar layer in front to contain ceramic ejecta, its a complete non-issue.
Yeah, couldn't be a result of all the explosives. Everyone knows when a round detonates out of battery they retain the exact velocity they have out of a barrel and are absolutely lethal. It's why whenever ammo stores go up in flames firefighters have to wear ballistic armor. Man Ukraine just disproves everything we know about physics
Ok. Post a video that proves its the ammunition and not a tracer.
[...]
We've literally seen it happen in Ukraine alone multiple times. Bullets hit loaded mags and set them alight.
don't know why all you fags are acting like google doesn't exist. Shooting ammo in a mag can ignite the powder, but it probably won't blow up the mag because there is no pressure in the ruptured case and the powder just burns off. I guess you could have the bullet nick the primer or something but even the metal fragments from that would probably get stopped by the other rounds or the mag body.
real life is not like the movies or video games my man, if a magazine gets hit it just rips through the mag body (be it plastic or metal) and then brass ammo like shooting a tin can. A hole is punched in and the powder just pours out. you need open flame for the loose powder to ignite, and it still won't look like the movies
Also the OP is a fag and the company is shilling a snake oil argument
>nope, it explodes outward more than that tiny little flare will protect you. >it explodes outward
so away from your neck? or are the fragments boomerang shaped and turn back to slash your neck?
> try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
it it's so evident: what exactly is the geometry of frag being created on the outward surface of the plate, being launched on a path towards your neck and not intersecting that flare? is it the blue line?
>the flare doesn't do shit
if your complaint is that that particular flare is too small - just make it a bit bigger.
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you dont own any steel targets and have never shot them. no, i wont elaborate further. you're dead wrong.
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I own steel targets and have shot many steel plates. I'm pretty sure his design would catch the worst / most dangerous shrapnel. The exact same design feature was used for medieval breastplates to deflect splinters from arrowshafts away from the neck and face
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i dont believe you. whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it. when you shoulder a rifle your head goes way forward of the plate, the curve in the plate would need to be laughably huge.
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>whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it
That is not what I have observed. I have always seen, more or less, a straight line of shredded terrain developing parallel to the face of the plate extending in both directions, indicating that the majority of the shrapnel is being deflected parallel to the face of the plate.
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>absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it >in front of it
where the fuck is your neck!?
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>"every modern army and swat force is retarded and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."
>you dont own any steel targets
yes i do - fragments larger than specks of paint never go behind the plane of the plate surface except when you hit very near the edge - a 0.5" flare would probably take care of that too. even that's probably not worth the effort in 95% of cases - hence why most plates fielded don't have them.
>a bit bigger.
Significantly. At least 4-5 inches, which is going to make your piece of shit steel armor very top heavy. And your biceps and thighs are also going to be shredded unless you turn that plate into a bowl.
>At least 4-5 inches >steel armor
yeah every piece of frag is just as powerful as the bullet that created the frag in the first place apparently. are we talking about bullets or 30mm frag rounds?
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>"every modern army and swat force is retarded and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."
??? Zero armies or SWAT teams use steel plates.
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bro, try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
the flare doesnt do shit
Oh look, close-up high-speed video of frags following the plane of the plane of the plate almost perfectly.
NTA, and not saying steel plates are good, but he has a point and you're an idiot.
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>it follows the plane perfectly
oh. huh. what if we added a ridge, or rim, or something, and it perfectly followed that
away from your face
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yeah that's what he was basically saying - you're both saying that fragments don't magically curve to strike areas that are shaded by the plate.
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See
yeah that's what he was basically saying - you're both saying that fragments don't magically curve to strike areas that are shaded by the plate.
I was backing up what you were saying in
https://i.imgur.com/JL30Zpe.jpg
> try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
it it's so evident: what exactly is the geometry of frag being created on the outward surface of the plate, being launched on a path towards your neck and not intersecting that flare? is it the blue line?
>the flare doesn't do shit
if your complaint is that that particular flare is too small - just make it a bit bigger.
and
https://i.imgur.com/CkNd8v7.jpg
>A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.
.
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>a bit bigger.
Significantly. At least 4-5 inches, which is going to make your piece of shit steel armor very top heavy. And your biceps and thighs are also going to be shredded unless you turn that plate into a bowl.
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I want a Paul Harrell meat test of this shit to unironically settle this
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there's dozens (if not hundreds) of high-speed footage videos on youtube that show bullets hitting plates, steel targets, blocks of pretty much any metal conceivable: the frag never goes behind the plane of the plate - it is physically impossible (unless the plate itself got ganked, of course.)
the problem with frag going into your face/neck is about the plate being angled slightly backwards or you craning your head forward. that can be solved by having a decent carrier and either kevlar neck protection or a flange on the plate. people forget that bullet frag moving at about 90 degrees off the original impact angle will be far less energetic than the original impact - often even if it hits your neck it will be more of a painful nuisance than anything life-threatening - and even that is fairly rare. remember: the alternative is having a hole in your chest.
i'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.
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>I'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.
This. If steel is what I can afford, I'd rather have that and risk spalling to the jaw then taking a center mass gunshot wound.
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>If steel is what I can afford,
But you can afford ceramic if you can afford steel, there are less costly ceramic plates that do more and weigh half as much. Militech's RF2 model is a great example, they are like sub-200 dollars for a PAIR.
Blackbeard's SOCOM contract-chaser overruns (4.75lb M61/BZ/M80a1, genuinely same performance as the LTC 28590) are hilariously the same price as AR500s "A1" steel. For God's sake, I got a pair of Gen V SOCOM TSAs for 300
You are antagonistically, willfully retarded if you buy steel in 2023 and justify it with "cost"
If you're poor you don't need armor you need to fix your life rather than buy larpfag dreamtoys which do nothing for your real situation.
But you won't even though you could buy many more weapons as reward for success. Why settle for poorfag armor when you have years to save money for the good shit?
Of course I live in the US. What idiot imagines that's dangerous in general? Don't live with trash, that easy. The internet isn't coming to get you.
I live in South Carolina and haven't needed to lock my doors since moving to current location in 1996, but I do not live in the wrong locale which is key. Every area has a wrong place. I left the NY metro area when crime was serious back in '81 and could still roam safely around most of that city too.
Shit's easy. Don't make or reinforce stupid choices. The US is vast and prosperous but the media concentrate on bottom-feeder trash and sexciting violence. Violence in the US is primarily a Wakandan and Wakandan-equivalent problem. I want them to kill each other and their fratricide is no loss to good citizens.
They are heavy and would slow me down for sure, I got them to have rifle resistant armor in case of home invasion. So in the end realistically how long would I be wearing them?
Because that would interfere with their bottom line. Ar500 has steel to sell at inflated prices, if they cost anymore than they do now theyd just drive more people into get real, not shit, bodyarmor.
>A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.
It just feels like there doesn't have to be a compromise ground of duct taped together ceramic plates and epoxied fiberglass and "actual armor" that is effective.
Both Ukranians and Russians wear steel armor in the current conflict and I have literally not seen a single fucking report of anyone being killed or injured by spalling at all.
The thicc Nylon vest contains all the spalling. You only suffer spalling issues if you wear Larperator ultra thin plate carriers (yes even with ceramic plates).
I'd rather have a non 100% chance of a hole in me vs just eating a bullet ripping through my torso, especially my lungs. All the cope about 'muh frag/spall' ignores that sucking chest wounds are 100% fatal if you don't get medivac'd rapidly. Especially so if you are still in combat.
Frag/spall MIGHT (not guaranteed) hurt you bad, a bullet ABSOLUTELY will.
It's even better when you fucking duct tape a 20$ expired kevlar insert to it and suddenly it's literally impossible for that to happen. Or better yet get the spall lining shit. >Hescos are better
True and real, especially if you can get a deal. >Ceramics are NIJ 4+++++++ Omega rated only 999.99$ per plate.
If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
Anyways I run steel because the off chance I get spalled/BFD'd/whatever the fuck'd is less than the percentage chance a gunshot just kills me. Plus I already got them before I realized how bad the weight is.
Picrel, the setup that threw my back out when I tried to do burpees with it on. (All around steel plates with trauma pads and spall liner+spall sleeve)
>steel >not titanium
lol, poorfag >inb4 "muh equivalent protection by weight due to hardening yada-yada"
titanium plates laser engraved with bulging pecs and tasteful nipples is the only acceptable form of ballistic protection.
>If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
utterly wrong and discredits everything else you just said. there are videos of people getting shot with full sized rifle rounds to plates and not even flinching
>If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
Dumbass monkeybabble, entirely unsupported by any field reports. 30-06ap has about the same KE as a 308FMJ. Same for M993. moronsteel just cant stop even wet fart semi-AP rounds like BZ-API or M80a1, so its perfectly optimized cope for you to say "oh anything my steel can stop will kill you anyway"
Hey how about you spend just as much/save a bit more and get some protection that won't even give you frag/spalling issues, on top of being lighter and offering better protection in general? Just a thought.
because the people still buying and using AR500 armor in 2023 are so broke that the ~$150 difference between a set of 10 lbs. steel plates and a set of 8 lbs. NIJ-cert'd Level IV ceramics from Hesco is an insurmountable obstacle
You can literally get level IV ceramic armor for $60 less than AR500's flagship product with their "buildup" coating ($358 for a set); https://blackbeardpp.com/shop/ols/products/nij-level-iv-hard-armor-plate/v/VKSG9115-L4SA
And the ceramics are NEARLY FOUR POUNDS LIGHTER.
Choosing steel armor over ceramic isn't a matter of being poor or not anymore, ceramics have come down in price to the point that it's actively choosing an inferior product just because you're too stubborn and/or retarded to see the truth.
>I don't wear x because of a risk of me being hit by spalling >wearing nothing and having a 100% chance of being hit by fucking bullets is fine though
I'd rather be mobile than lug around 25+ pounds of armor alone, forget all the other kit you have on you. You don't need to worry about getting shot if you aren't slow as fuck because of your plates.
If you arent retarded, you can have front/back/side plates right at 12lbs for about 650 bucks altogether that stop any real-world AP (BZ-API, M61, M80a1, B-32).
If you fall for the poly meme you can have front/back/sides at like 6lbs.
Either of those are leagues less than 25lbs, and neither will perceptibly make you "less agile" for bounding between cover, its retarded poorfag post-facto justification. If you ditch sideplates, you are looking at 9 or 5lbs respectively.
Yes, strap 2 20 lb steel plates to your body, you can just lift more to avoid spinal and knee injuries from having to carry excessive weight for hours on end
If you have metal plates just get a spall sleeve for it they're pretty inexpensive
Or if you're a mega poorfag like me get some gorilla glue duct tape and wrap those lil bros up
Or you could not be a fag and get ceramic plates
AR500's spall liner is shit and won't reliably stop it.
That being said, there is at least one company that sells a steel plate with a liner (and some kind of cork like material) that will contain the spall from multiple hits.
Yikes, gearfags are the same as zombie apolacypse nerds. Having cans of beans in your basement is 10000x more important in whatever gay fantasy you have of all supply chains collapsing. But im guessing they dont even have homes/basements.
Has there ever been a single case of taking a round to the plate and having the spalling render you combat ineffective? And not some youtube video with some ballistic gel. An actual case out there in the wild. Surely with all the conflicts around the globe over the years and the the massive amounts of steel out walking around there should be some good cases right?
>taking a round to the plate
it happened to my dad - he put reinforced conveyor belt rubber on both sides of his steel cuirass and survived a pocket knife sized piece of grad rocket hitting his chest - did knock him out for a few minutes and break 5 ribs though. the inside piece of conveyor belt had some pretty nasty fragments of the armour itself embedded in it. but i guess that's ghetto rig territory.
emil matasareanu wore a lvl 3 soft vest with a steel plate backer hand-sewn onto it and he took a double tap of 5.56 and it didn't put him down.
Is it optimal? No, but it works.
Stop arguing with retards that buy steel plates. Let them make their own mistakes and suffer the consequences. Most of the posts here are just bait anyways.
Why do people buy cheap stuff? Its not a money thing, we're not talking about buying a million dollar saltwater center console - its not stupid money - its just delaying buying that thing for a couple of months so you can save up just a little more and have a nice thing.
I literally cannot understand it and the gun community is ground fucking zero for this retarded behavior.
No. You didn't. The ammo in your mags isn't going to explode if hit.
*magazine shard slices your jugular*
nothing personnel kiddo
>The ammo in your mags isn't going to explode if hit.
am I a joke to you?
Sir, as much as this pains me to say it, I'm not a BB
380mm naval guns are the ultimate home defense solution, and very few bad guys have big enough guns to penetrate your armor
>tfw can only shoot two guns at a time, and only one with any real kind of accuracy
>can't even use triple digit milimeter weaponry
Feels bad man
What level of copium is this, a round isn't going to ride the ammo in your mags into your throat. A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.
>rounds can't ricochet off of ceramic because... because they just can't
your post is as bad OP
You are actually fucking retarded.
Not an argument, but it's as brain dead as a response I would've expected from a stupid monkey such as yourself
NTA but
>gay claims highground with "not an argument"
>proceeds to post a non argument himself
You are actually fucking retarded.
The entire point of ceramic armor isnt to defeat the round on the surface dipshit, ceramic intentionally fails in compression and captures the round in the composite backer. The entire idea is to have the round ENTER the plate. Its an entirely different defeat mechanism than metallic armor which tries its hardest to keep rounds outside.
Add to that basically every ceramic plate is tighly glued together and has either a nylon or kevlar layer in front to contain ceramic ejecta, its a complete non-issue.
How fucking dumb are you?
>a round isn't going to ride the ammo in your mags into your throat
No, it'll just detonate them and at best only set your rig on fire.
Shooting ammunition does not detonate it.
This does not happen
And you are also fucking retarded
We've literally seen it happen in Ukraine alone multiple times. Bullets hit loaded mags and set them alight.
Yeah, couldn't be a result of all the explosives. Everyone knows when a round detonates out of battery they retain the exact velocity they have out of a barrel and are absolutely lethal. It's why whenever ammo stores go up in flames firefighters have to wear ballistic armor. Man Ukraine just disproves everything we know about physics
don't know why all you fags are acting like google doesn't exist. Shooting ammo in a mag can ignite the powder, but it probably won't blow up the mag because there is no pressure in the ruptured case and the powder just burns off. I guess you could have the bullet nick the primer or something but even the metal fragments from that would probably get stopped by the other rounds or the mag body.
Ok. Post a video that proves its the ammunition and not a tracer.
real life is not like the movies or video games my man, if a magazine gets hit it just rips through the mag body (be it plastic or metal) and then brass ammo like shooting a tin can. A hole is punched in and the powder just pours out. you need open flame for the loose powder to ignite, and it still won't look like the movies
Also the OP is a fag and the company is shilling a snake oil argument
itll actually work like ERA and completely nullify the bullet
>t. retards who never saw the footage of Navy book DEALS getting btfo not having this particular problem
>A round absolutely can ride your steel plates into your throat.
nope, it explodes outward more than that tiny little flare will protect you.
>nope, it explodes outward more than that tiny little flare will protect you.
>it explodes outward
so away from your neck? or are the fragments boomerang shaped and turn back to slash your neck?
bro, try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
the flare doesnt do shit
> try to put a tiny bit of thought into it
it it's so evident: what exactly is the geometry of frag being created on the outward surface of the plate, being launched on a path towards your neck and not intersecting that flare? is it the blue line?
>the flare doesn't do shit
if your complaint is that that particular flare is too small - just make it a bit bigger.
you dont own any steel targets and have never shot them. no, i wont elaborate further. you're dead wrong.
I own steel targets and have shot many steel plates. I'm pretty sure his design would catch the worst / most dangerous shrapnel. The exact same design feature was used for medieval breastplates to deflect splinters from arrowshafts away from the neck and face
i dont believe you. whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it. when you shoulder a rifle your head goes way forward of the plate, the curve in the plate would need to be laughably huge.
>whenever i shoot steel the ground is absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it
That is not what I have observed. I have always seen, more or less, a straight line of shredded terrain developing parallel to the face of the plate extending in both directions, indicating that the majority of the shrapnel is being deflected parallel to the face of the plate.
>absolutely shredded in a 6 ft half circle in front of it
>in front of it
where the fuck is your neck!?
>"every modern army and swat force is retarded and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."
>you dont own any steel targets
yes i do - fragments larger than specks of paint never go behind the plane of the plate surface except when you hit very near the edge - a 0.5" flare would probably take care of that too. even that's probably not worth the effort in 95% of cases - hence why most plates fielded don't have them.
>At least 4-5 inches
>steel armor
yeah every piece of frag is just as powerful as the bullet that created the frag in the first place apparently. are we talking about bullets or 30mm frag rounds?
>"every modern army and swat force is retarded and they always die from neck wounds when shot in their plates. it's self evident, i don't need any proof."
??? Zero armies or SWAT teams use steel plates.
Oh look, close-up high-speed video of frags following the plane of the plane of the plate almost perfectly.
NTA, and not saying steel plates are good, but he has a point and you're an idiot.
>it follows the plane perfectly
oh. huh. what if we added a ridge, or rim, or something, and it perfectly followed that
away from your face
yeah that's what he was basically saying - you're both saying that fragments don't magically curve to strike areas that are shaded by the plate.
See
I was backing up what you were saying in
and
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>a bit bigger.
Significantly. At least 4-5 inches, which is going to make your piece of shit steel armor very top heavy. And your biceps and thighs are also going to be shredded unless you turn that plate into a bowl.
I want a Paul Harrell meat test of this shit to unironically settle this
there's dozens (if not hundreds) of high-speed footage videos on youtube that show bullets hitting plates, steel targets, blocks of pretty much any metal conceivable: the frag never goes behind the plane of the plate - it is physically impossible (unless the plate itself got ganked, of course.)
the problem with frag going into your face/neck is about the plate being angled slightly backwards or you craning your head forward. that can be solved by having a decent carrier and either kevlar neck protection or a flange on the plate. people forget that bullet frag moving at about 90 degrees off the original impact angle will be far less energetic than the original impact - often even if it hits your neck it will be more of a painful nuisance than anything life-threatening - and even that is fairly rare. remember: the alternative is having a hole in your chest.
i'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.
>I'm not saying steel plates should be your go-to - but the whole "oh, frag and spalling make them worse than not having any plate at all" is complete horse-shit.
This. If steel is what I can afford, I'd rather have that and risk spalling to the jaw then taking a center mass gunshot wound.
>If steel is what I can afford,
But you can afford ceramic if you can afford steel, there are less costly ceramic plates that do more and weigh half as much. Militech's RF2 model is a great example, they are like sub-200 dollars for a PAIR.
Blackbeard's SOCOM contract-chaser overruns (4.75lb M61/BZ/M80a1, genuinely same performance as the LTC 28590) are hilariously the same price as AR500s "A1" steel. For God's sake, I got a pair of Gen V SOCOM TSAs for 300
You are antagonistically, willfully retarded if you buy steel in 2023 and justify it with "cost"
>are the fragments boomerang shaped and turn back to slash your neck?
Yes 🙁
If you're poor you don't need armor you need to fix your life rather than buy larpfag dreamtoys which do nothing for your real situation.
But you won't even though you could buy many more weapons as reward for success. Why settle for poorfag armor when you have years to save money for the good shit?
instant gratification
Nothing for your real situation? I assume you don’t live in US if you’re saying that shit.
Two more weeks, right?
Of course I live in the US. What idiot imagines that's dangerous in general? Don't live with trash, that easy. The internet isn't coming to get you.
I live in South Carolina and haven't needed to lock my doors since moving to current location in 1996, but I do not live in the wrong locale which is key. Every area has a wrong place. I left the NY metro area when crime was serious back in '81 and could still roam safely around most of that city too.
Shit's easy. Don't make or reinforce stupid choices. The US is vast and prosperous but the media concentrate on bottom-feeder trash and sexciting violence. Violence in the US is primarily a Wakandan and Wakandan-equivalent problem. I want them to kill each other and their fratricide is no loss to good citizens.
The thing is you can buy chink ceramics for the same price that don't totally suck
They make shit to catch the spall anyway. Most of you should be buying steel plates so your fat asses will lose a bit of weight carrying them around.
my heavy steel plates have spall liners and non newtonian fluid inserts.
I think I'll be okay
How heavy is each plate including all those inserts and backers if you have them.
They are heavy and would slow me down for sure, I got them to have rifle resistant armor in case of home invasion. So in the end realistically how long would I be wearing them?
Why can't they just add the anti spall bend or have them encapsulated with a kevlar ring as an option?
Because that would interfere with their bottom line. Ar500 has steel to sell at inflated prices, if they cost anymore than they do now theyd just drive more people into get real, not shit, bodyarmor.
It just feels like there doesn't have to be a compromise ground of duct taped together ceramic plates and epoxied fiberglass and "actual armor" that is effective.
brass, aluminum, and plastic wont fragment. i doubt steelcase would either
A kevlar gorget would catch any fragments. Also poorfags ITT
Both Ukranians and Russians wear steel armor in the current conflict and I have literally not seen a single fucking report of anyone being killed or injured by spalling at all.
>Both Ukranians and Russians wear steel armor
source?
https://etaplius.lt/naujiena/del-paramos-ukrainai-verslas-susitelke-labai-greitai
The thicc Nylon vest contains all the spalling. You only suffer spalling issues if you wear Larperator ultra thin plate carriers (yes even with ceramic plates).
Bevors are coming back!
I'd rather have a non 100% chance of a hole in me vs just eating a bullet ripping through my torso, especially my lungs. All the cope about 'muh frag/spall' ignores that sucking chest wounds are 100% fatal if you don't get medivac'd rapidly. Especially so if you are still in combat.
Frag/spall MIGHT (not guaranteed) hurt you bad, a bullet ABSOLUTELY will.
no, no - better to have a hole in your lungs than to risk some tiny ass low velocity grit scraping your neck or, god forbid your chin.
It's even better when you fucking duct tape a 20$ expired kevlar insert to it and suddenly it's literally impossible for that to happen. Or better yet get the spall lining shit.
>Hescos are better
True and real, especially if you can get a deal.
>Ceramics are NIJ 4+++++++ Omega rated only 999.99$ per plate.
If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
Anyways I run steel because the off chance I get spalled/BFD'd/whatever the fuck'd is less than the percentage chance a gunshot just kills me. Plus I already got them before I realized how bad the weight is.
Picrel, the setup that threw my back out when I tried to do burpees with it on. (All around steel plates with trauma pads and spall liner+spall sleeve)
>steel
>not titanium
lol, poorfag
>inb4 "muh equivalent protection by weight due to hardening yada-yada"
titanium plates laser engraved with bulging pecs and tasteful nipples is the only acceptable form of ballistic protection.
if you don't let it out in the sun, kevlar doesn't really degrade too much until year 25
>If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
utterly wrong and discredits everything else you just said. there are videos of people getting shot with full sized rifle rounds to plates and not even flinching
>If you're getting shot at by anything 3+ won't stop then you aren't ambulatory after getting hit anyways. Either it penetrates or it imparts enough kinetic force to seriously wind you.
Dumbass monkeybabble, entirely unsupported by any field reports. 30-06ap has about the same KE as a 308FMJ. Same for M993. moronsteel just cant stop even wet fart semi-AP rounds like BZ-API or M80a1, so its perfectly optimized cope for you to say "oh anything my steel can stop will kill you anyway"
any center mass hit with any firearm is a critical injury that at absolute best will involve months of recovery.
Hey how about you spend just as much/save a bit more and get some protection that won't even give you frag/spalling issues, on top of being lighter and offering better protection in general? Just a thought.
because the people still buying and using AR500 armor in 2023 are so broke that the ~$150 difference between a set of 10 lbs. steel plates and a set of 8 lbs. NIJ-cert'd Level IV ceramics from Hesco is an insurmountable obstacle
You can literally get level IV ceramic armor for $60 less than AR500's flagship product with their "buildup" coating ($358 for a set); https://blackbeardpp.com/shop/ols/products/nij-level-iv-hard-armor-plate/v/VKSG9115-L4SA
And the ceramics are NEARLY FOUR POUNDS LIGHTER.
Choosing steel armor over ceramic isn't a matter of being poor or not anymore, ceramics have come down in price to the point that it's actively choosing an inferior product just because you're too stubborn and/or retarded to see the truth.
ceramics are junk if hit once
Steel is only weak in a spot
not only is this argument retarded, it's also incorrect
I have ceramic plates but having a set of steel would be nice as a backup, you cant break them
I'd rather be mobile than lug around 25+ pounds of armor alone, forget all the other kit you have on you. You don't need to worry about getting shot if you aren't slow as fuck because of your plates.
If you arent retarded, you can have front/back/side plates right at 12lbs for about 650 bucks altogether that stop any real-world AP (BZ-API, M61, M80a1, B-32).
If you fall for the poly meme you can have front/back/sides at like 6lbs.
Either of those are leagues less than 25lbs, and neither will perceptibly make you "less agile" for bounding between cover, its retarded poorfag post-facto justification. If you ditch sideplates, you are looking at 9 or 5lbs respectively.
>posted by ar500 armor
lol
lmao even
herb'd
>I don't wear x because of a risk of me being hit by spalling
>wearing nothing and having a 100% chance of being hit by fucking bullets is fine though
>driving a car with a leaky fuel system that is likely to catch fire
vs.
>driving a car that isn't a beaned out piece of shit with rotted lines and works just fine, safely getting you where you need to be
critical thinking skills, improve them.
why do you pretend to be retarded
why do you defend steel plates instead of buying superior ceramics?
your response explains why you're still poor and can only afford steel, thanks.
Armor plates aren't cars
No you fucking moron, the point is buying plates that are actually GOOD.
They think it makes them faster and bullets dont hit them
AR500 fags on suicide watch kek
ceramic chads keep winning
Theres nothing wrong with steel plates, Ukraine has proven that
>implying i have armor
im poor as shit so i have to make due with a hand-me-down SKS and a chest rig
>won't that frag if it's shot?
It literally won't, what retard wrote this?
The same retard in the business of selling overpriced steel targets as body armor
I seriously fucking hate poor people.
Yes, strap 2 20 lb steel plates to your body, you can just lift more to avoid spinal and knee injuries from having to carry excessive weight for hours on end
If you have metal plates just get a spall sleeve for it they're pretty inexpensive
Or if you're a mega poorfag like me get some gorilla glue duct tape and wrap those lil bros up
Or you could not be a fag and get ceramic plates
AR500's spall liner is shit and won't reliably stop it.
That being said, there is at least one company that sells a steel plate with a liner (and some kind of cork like material) that will contain the spall from multiple hits.
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Yikes, gearfags are the same as zombie apolacypse nerds. Having cans of beans in your basement is 10000x more important in whatever gay fantasy you have of all supply chains collapsing. But im guessing they dont even have homes/basements.
Has there ever been a single case of taking a round to the plate and having the spalling render you combat ineffective? And not some youtube video with some ballistic gel. An actual case out there in the wild. Surely with all the conflicts around the globe over the years and the the massive amounts of steel out walking around there should be some good cases right?
>taking a round to the plate
it happened to my dad - he put reinforced conveyor belt rubber on both sides of his steel cuirass and survived a pocket knife sized piece of grad rocket hitting his chest - did knock him out for a few minutes and break 5 ribs though. the inside piece of conveyor belt had some pretty nasty fragments of the armour itself embedded in it. but i guess that's ghetto rig territory.
Conveyor belting is respectably tough and quite dense. It would be interesting to see what a conveyor belt/UHMW sandwich would do.
emil matasareanu wore a lvl 3 soft vest with a steel plate backer hand-sewn onto it and he took a double tap of 5.56 and it didn't put him down.
Is it optimal? No, but it works.
Stop arguing with retards that buy steel plates. Let them make their own mistakes and suffer the consequences. Most of the posts here are just bait anyways.
Why do people buy cheap stuff? Its not a money thing, we're not talking about buying a million dollar saltwater center console - its not stupid money - its just delaying buying that thing for a couple of months so you can save up just a little more and have a nice thing.
I literally cannot understand it and the gun community is ground fucking zero for this retarded behavior.