It’s not like buying a car. It’s more like buying a car and it includes a garage, all the tools to take it down to the bolt, spare parts, and even a personal trainer to teach you how to drive/work on the car for the next decade.
>46m per tank. What the fuck.
They are actually buying 54 MBT's, 4 bridge layers, 4 mine clearing tanks and 4 armored recovery vehicles (that are based on M60 hull). >Doesn't it only cost the US like maybe 10m per tank and that's with all the spooky shit
US military has rather peculiar way to accounting costs for things like tanks and helicopters. Truth, but only from certain point of view. You can absolutely get average price of AH-64E Apache Guardian down to about 30 million dollars. That only requires like 100 existing AH-64D Apache Longbows and actually building 12 new aircraft. Upgrading D-models to E-models costs about 20 million each, new ones cost little under 40 million per aircraft. Most M1A2's were originally built as M1's, M1IP's or M1A1's. Then there cost for all support and training equipment.
Yeah, in the early 2000's.
Nowadays you'd have a better bet getting Chally 1's.
Brits still have like 40 Challenger 1's that were converted to engineering vehicles. Pretty much all other Challenger 1's that aren't gate guards or in museum were sold to Jordan. They retired 'em recently, so you'd have to take couple decades of Arab maintenance into account, so I'd kinda avoid buying 3rd hand Challenger 1's if there is other options.
US MIC was OP as fuck with Cold War budgets. I somehow doubt they could easily start cranking out M1's at a same pace as they did in early to mid 80's.
The Government of Romania has requested to buy fifty-four (54) M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams Main Battle Tanks; fifty-four (54) M1A1 Structures; four (4) M88A2 HERCULES Combat Recovery Vehicles; four (4) M1110 Joint Assault Bridges; four (4) M1150 Assault Breacher Vehicles; four (4) Heavy Assault Scissor Bridges (HASB); fifty-four (54) M240C 7.62mm machine guns; ten (10) AGT1500 Gas Turbine engines; five thousand nine hundred forty (5,940) 120mm M1147 High Explosive, Multipurpose, Tracer (HEMP-T) cartridges; and four thousand two hundred thirty (4,230) 120mm M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose, Tracer (TPMP-T) cartridges. Also included are mine rollers; Enhanced Heavy Equipment Transporter (EHET) M1300 tractors with M1302 trailer with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT) M978A4 with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Tank Rack Modules (TRM) M107A1 fuel trailer (2500 gal) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; HEMTT A4 M1120 Load Handling System (LHS ) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Ml076Al with flat rack and B-Kit/Frag Kit; Forward Repair Systems; trailer mounted generators; Common Remote Operated Weapons Station Low Profile (CROWS-LP); M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns; communications equipment; global positioning system (GPS) receivers; service and training ammunition; spare and repair parts; Special Tools and Test Equipment (STTE); technical manuals and publications; maintenance trainers; gunnery training systems; tank driver’s trainers; new equipment training; U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics personnel services; concurrent spare parts; Field Service Representative (FSR) support; Contractor Logistics Support (CLS); Next Generation Automatic Test System (NGATS); logistics products; tank range upgrade; Intensive Management Office (IMO); Foreign Liaison Officer (FLO); Program Management Reviews (PMR); test measurement and diagnostic equipment; and other related elements
46m per tank. What the fuck. Doesn't it only cost the US like maybe 10m per tank and that's with all the spooky shit
[...]
Special Romanian Procurement
I would assume the high price is because they're not just paying for individual tanks but also for an accompanying long-term support plan, which probably includes all of the accompanying infrastructure and ongoing personnel training to allow the Romanians to maintain and repair the tanks in-house.
46m per tank. What the fuck. Doesn't it only cost the US like maybe 10m per tank and that's with all the spooky shit
[...]
[...]
I would assume the high price is because they're not just paying for individual tanks but also for an accompanying long-term support plan, which probably includes all of the accompanying infrastructure and ongoing personnel training to allow the Romanians to maintain and repair the tanks in-house.
The price is high because the EU/Germany is footing the bill, and the US knows that.
would it even be possible to buy challies if a country wanted them? i was under the impression the lines were closed and there weren't many hulls to spare.
>fuck up and say the budget is 8 dollars and 48 cents >your handlers tell you to delete it and add a B as if anyone will believe it
jk
In all seriousness though, how is Romania able to afford a $2.5B sale when their budget is only $8.48B? Are they going to spread it out over 5 years? That's still a large chunk of their budget.
jets are fucking expensive and still require a certain critical mass, if you can't afford them better to keep the minimum you need for air policing and focus on the ground
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But our ground forces are made up of people who never entered high school...
And we could afford a lot of stuff but most of the money goes to corrupt politicians and their families sadly
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>our ground forces are made up of people who never entered high school
Good.
>capable >the only European country still fielding mig 21s
I think it’s cool as fuck that they have lancers, but let’s not delude ourselves. They are doing the best they can with what they have but that doesn’t make it good yet.
The EU financing nowadays requires at least a degree of manufacturing being done within EU, especially for "strategic industries" (yknow like defense). So its unlikely the EU would pay for a defense program that notably only involves paying USA to do everything for you. Now if USA were to make the tanks in Romania they might've paid but I don't think they will.
(This, btw, is why the brits have been screeching about bateries. They wanted to get the electric car factories there funded through EU gibbs but found out the hard way EU has indeed added bateries to the list of strategic industries for the "transition to green energy" which means no backdoor gibbs for them, hence their car factories suddently being in a very, very messy position.
Technically true but you could easily shuffle EU funding to something else and then move the funding that was going to be spent there to the military budget instead.
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That is a possibility to SOME degree. But it requires a very large amount of finessing. Do note the EU are penny pinchers in many ways. Most of their funding has a ton of conditions and they have bodies to review how it works. For example the recovery funds went to many projects at first but now many are having to repay the EU because they didn't finish the project in time. So trying to get EU to fund your projects while you reshufle your budget is a very easy way to wind up with a lot of debt or just straight up sanctioned. They have 0 chill.
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In this case I was assuming the EU tacitly signed off on it for Romania to rebuild its stocks of whatever it gave to Ukraine.
Sounds israeli. I'm glad usury is a global phenomenon and not just restricted to my country. We just give Israel all their weapons or forgive all their loans. You'd think our politicians are loyal to a specific foreign government or something.
>shake down
He went there, by his own admission, because they had shitty cops and probably wouldn't catch him engaging in human trafficking and rape. The British police for all their deserved criticism are pretty onto that shit now.
this nagger doesnt even have money, he lives in a warehouse next to the graveyard in bucharest. even if he was just moving to romania cause LOL MUH CORRUPT POLICE SO BASED if he wasnt a broke fag he would buy a much nicer property.
The Government of Romania has requested to buy fifty-four (54) M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams Main Battle Tanks; fifty-four (54) M1A1 Structures; four (4) M88A2 HERCULES Combat Recovery Vehicles; four (4) M1110 Joint Assault Bridges; four (4) M1150 Assault Breacher Vehicles; four (4) Heavy Assault Scissor Bridges (HASB); fifty-four (54) M240C 7.62mm machine guns; ten (10) AGT1500 Gas Turbine engines; five thousand nine hundred forty (5,940) 120mm M1147 High Explosive, Multipurpose, Tracer (HEMP-T) cartridges; and four thousand two hundred thirty (4,230) 120mm M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose, Tracer (TPMP-T) cartridges. Also included are mine rollers; Enhanced Heavy Equipment Transporter (EHET) M1300 tractors with M1302 trailer with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT) M978A4 with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Tank Rack Modules (TRM) M107A1 fuel trailer (2500 gal) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; HEMTT A4 M1120 Load Handling System (LHS ) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Ml076Al with flat rack and B-Kit/Frag Kit; Forward Repair Systems; trailer mounted generators; Common Remote Operated Weapons Station Low Profile (CROWS-LP); M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns; communications equipment; global positioning system (GPS) receivers; service and training ammunition; spare and repair parts; Special Tools and Test Equipment (STTE); technical manuals and publications; maintenance trainers; gunnery training systems; tank driver’s trainers; new equipment training; U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics personnel services; concurrent spare parts; Field Service Representative (FSR) support; Contractor Logistics Support (CLS); Next Generation Automatic Test System (NGATS); logistics products; tank range upgrade; Intensive Management Office (IMO); Foreign Liaison Officer (FLO); Program Management Reviews (PMR); test measurement and diagnostic equipment; and other related elements
if they cant really produce anything then a couple of hulls in years because of their retarded pacifism cowardize then no overheating arms buyer is going to take them seriously. East euro is arming up because everybody and their dogs expects vatnikstans chimp out to flare up into a larger regional war in the coming years. You need prepped industrial capacity to ramp up ammo and machine production to replace combat losses, not just the specs on individual pieces
the frogs wish it had wheels
like the second son, who is just okay with his engineering job, but you wish he was a successful doctor like your first son
HOLY FUCK I'VE WISHED FOR YEARS FOR THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO COME. this is the first time in recent history that we made the right choice
lmao I'm glad they didn't, we made a lot of bad choices both militarily and economically thanks to our tarded, corrupt, money hungry politicians, avoiding the leo meme is not one of them
>countries want to buy top-line equipment operated in numbers ten times larger than whatever we have to offer because... le bribes! >ours would have been cheaper! no you can't see our offer, it's literally classified as a state secret. >here, have a wikipedia article on a bribery scandal from 1956 that resulted in a lot of laws being passed to prevent it from happening again as proof that it's happening again.
>doesn't say anything about sabot rounds >not a single spare M240C
My fucking god they got fleeced. Is it going to come out the cheek armor is empty as well?
I never see this discussed about the Ukraine war. It’s the end of slavshit for military use. Eastern Europe kept slavshit around because they had it and it boosts numbers on paper but after seeing their terrible performance in the real world they can’t ignore that it’s on paper only and has to be replaced.
>It’s the end of slavshit for military use
saddest part is that all these beautiful Soviet Tanks are ending up being launched to the stratosphere instead of museums or some rich guy's playground
Gyppo slums look like this everywhere. You could (and many countries do) literally pay them to not be poor anymore and they will instead stay poor because it's their "culture". If you bulldoze a slum another one will pop up on the other side of town overnight. It's a mistake to assume they're even remotely similar culturally to anyone else in Europe, it's better to treat them like some sort of fantasy race of goblins or something like that.
>Typical Romanian copium to blame all poverty on gypsies
In complete serious the biggest problem Romania has isn't Russia so much as corruption and a substantial part of the population living in abject poverty. Unless those Abrams are going to be used to execute politicians by crushing them in their luxury cars and help build infrastructure (in which case, based.) they frankly should be given a free pass on the NATO spending commitment to pay it back in future once investments return.
>hurr durr as an AMERICAN I demand to see a return on my defence spending
Then go to Romania and pick up a girlfriend. Romanian women are beautiful and some, I am told, are intelligent but it's basically a hunger games-tier struggle for them to get out of the country because no matter how well they do it is automatically invalidated by some oligarch.
Another problem we have is that all the competent people abandon ship to live in more developed countries. So all that's left is braindead people or those who join government positions for personal benefits. Brain drain is a destructive force.
no communist country has ever recovered economically, but that is no excuse not to have a decently equipped military when you're a border away from the blight of europe >herf derf murder ur politicianz xD
an equally retarded one will take his place, you only resort to that shit against communists
Gyppo slums look like this everywhere. You could (and many countries do) literally pay them to not be poor anymore and they will instead stay poor because it's their "culture". If you bulldoze a slum another one will pop up on the other side of town overnight. It's a mistake to assume they're even remotely similar culturally to anyone else in Europe, it's better to treat them like some sort of fantasy race of goblins or something like that.
Average Romanian is pretty much a gypsy. If anyone remembers Vee he also claimed he wasn't a gypsy, but looked like a gypsy.
Gyppo slums look like this everywhere. You could (and many countries do) literally pay them to not be poor anymore and they will instead stay poor because it's their "culture". If you bulldoze a slum another one will pop up on the other side of town overnight. It's a mistake to assume they're even remotely similar culturally to anyone else in Europe, it's better to treat them like some sort of fantasy race of goblins or something like that.
We're also purchasing 129 Heavy Gun Carriers JLTVs. So far we have 33 of them. I hope they will be well maintained if we're spending so much modernizing.
And the first F-35s of our procurement are set to arrive in 2032
State Dept disapproves $2.5B theft of Abrams tank by Romanians.
FTFY
You know the old joke about an Irishman parking a car in Romania?
He gets a dui?
Can the Romanians strip it apart before it blows up?
If anything it was Romania that got robbed.
54 tanks for $2.5B. kek
>100 HEMP rounds per tank
And 250 APFSDS rounds per tank, right?
Right?
>54 tanks
>only 4 recovery vehicles
Abandoneer time
46m per tank. What the fuck. Doesn't it only cost the US like maybe 10m per tank and that's with all the spooky shit
It’s not like buying a car. It’s more like buying a car and it includes a garage, all the tools to take it down to the bolt, spare parts, and even a personal trainer to teach you how to drive/work on the car for the next decade.
>46m per tank. What the fuck.
They are actually buying 54 MBT's, 4 bridge layers, 4 mine clearing tanks and 4 armored recovery vehicles (that are based on M60 hull).
>Doesn't it only cost the US like maybe 10m per tank and that's with all the spooky shit
US military has rather peculiar way to accounting costs for things like tanks and helicopters. Truth, but only from certain point of view. You can absolutely get average price of AH-64E Apache Guardian down to about 30 million dollars. That only requires like 100 existing AH-64D Apache Longbows and actually building 12 new aircraft. Upgrading D-models to E-models costs about 20 million each, new ones cost little under 40 million per aircraft. Most M1A2's were originally built as M1's, M1IP's or M1A1's. Then there cost for all support and training equipment.
Brits still have like 40 Challenger 1's that were converted to engineering vehicles. Pretty much all other Challenger 1's that aren't gate guards or in museum were sold to Jordan. They retired 'em recently, so you'd have to take couple decades of Arab maintenance into account, so I'd kinda avoid buying 3rd hand Challenger 1's if there is other options.
>M1IP
>Interim model
>Produced briefly in 1984
>Number built: 894
We are OP as fuck.
US MIC was OP as fuck with Cold War budgets. I somehow doubt they could easily start cranking out M1's at a same pace as they did in early to mid 80's.
Are you able to read
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Special Romanian Procurement
I would assume the high price is because they're not just paying for individual tanks but also for an accompanying long-term support plan, which probably includes all of the accompanying infrastructure and ongoing personnel training to allow the Romanians to maintain and repair the tanks in-house.
You are right. No one buys just the tank. Only retards without critical thinking skills would believe otherwise
The cost will include stuff like parts and scheduled maintenance, training etc. it's never just the thing on the headline
The price is high because the EU/Germany is footing the bill, and the US knows that.
Challenger sisters killing themselves en masse
what
I think he’s highlighting the fact that nobody wants to buy the challenger tank which lends credence to the argument that it’s a meh tank
would it even be possible to buy challies if a country wanted them? i was under the impression the lines were closed and there weren't many hulls to spare.
Yes the challenger 2E was the export attempt. It did poorly in Greek trials
And now after the Leo2's performance in combat we know how humiliating of a mistake that was.
Greekbros, we just can't win.
Ooops.
That’s not a tank trial that’s a crew competition. No exports for a reason
Yeah, in the early 2000's.
Nowadays you'd have a better bet getting Chally 1's.
Arjun is the closest probably
so, a completely valueless comment then
I imagine it has more to do with it, currently, using a gun no one else in NATO uses. Same thing with the Leclerc.
I'm not worried though, Ajax, now that's going to shift units... any day now...
Does Romania even have 2.5B? I wonder how many pockets they had to pick to make that much
Apparently Romania's military budget in 2023 is $8.48B.
>fuck up and say the budget is 8 dollars and 48 cents
>your handlers tell you to delete it and add a B as if anyone will believe it
jk
In all seriousness though, how is Romania able to afford a $2.5B sale when their budget is only $8.48B? Are they going to spread it out over 5 years? That's still a large chunk of their budget.
>Are they going to spread it out over 5 years?
that is quite normal
romania has a relatively capable military compared to most of the region
>capable military
Our infantrymen are average dipshit countryside romanians and we only have 10 fighter jets
jets are fucking expensive and still require a certain critical mass, if you can't afford them better to keep the minimum you need for air policing and focus on the ground
But our ground forces are made up of people who never entered high school...
And we could afford a lot of stuff but most of the money goes to corrupt politicians and their families sadly
>our ground forces are made up of people who never entered high school
Good.
>only have 10 fighter jets
There are 17 F-16's in service and another 32 on the way.
That isn't too bad. For example Hungary only has 12 Gripens and they don't even own them, they're on lease.
>capable
>the only European country still fielding mig 21s
I think it’s cool as fuck that they have lancers, but let’s not delude ourselves. They are doing the best they can with what they have but that doesn’t make it good yet.
I knew people were gonna make that joke so I wanted to nip it in the bud. kek
They're gonna pay over time, same way they pay for the Patriots and Himars and every other large purchase they make.
Because they don’t need to pay their soldiers for shit. More of it can be spent on hardware since personnel costs are so low.
I'm afraid eu it's gonna help them paying
T. Europoor
The EU financing nowadays requires at least a degree of manufacturing being done within EU, especially for "strategic industries" (yknow like defense). So its unlikely the EU would pay for a defense program that notably only involves paying USA to do everything for you. Now if USA were to make the tanks in Romania they might've paid but I don't think they will.
(This, btw, is why the brits have been screeching about bateries. They wanted to get the electric car factories there funded through EU gibbs but found out the hard way EU has indeed added bateries to the list of strategic industries for the "transition to green energy" which means no backdoor gibbs for them, hence their car factories suddently being in a very, very messy position.
Technically true but you could easily shuffle EU funding to something else and then move the funding that was going to be spent there to the military budget instead.
That is a possibility to SOME degree. But it requires a very large amount of finessing. Do note the EU are penny pinchers in many ways. Most of their funding has a ton of conditions and they have bodies to review how it works. For example the recovery funds went to many projects at first but now many are having to repay the EU because they didn't finish the project in time. So trying to get EU to fund your projects while you reshufle your budget is a very easy way to wind up with a lot of debt or just straight up sanctioned. They have 0 chill.
In this case I was assuming the EU tacitly signed off on it for Romania to rebuild its stocks of whatever it gave to Ukraine.
>Are they going to spread it out over 5 years?
Yes, usually when you pay for military equipment you pay for it over the next decade
Sounds israeli. I'm glad usury is a global phenomenon and not just restricted to my country. We just give Israel all their weapons or forgive all their loans. You'd think our politicians are loyal to a specific foreign government or something.
€€€ EU MONEY BITCHES! €€€
same with Poland tbh
Romanian here.
Most Romanian military equipment from the Cold War era is dogshit and unmaintained.
Also, the bulk of those 8,5 billion is military pensions. Yes, we cheated our way around the NATO 3% of GDP mandatory budget.
Why do you think they want to shakedown Andrew Tate?
because he's a nagger
This, andr*ew taint should be in prison for pretending to be white.
>shake down
He went there, by his own admission, because they had shitty cops and probably wouldn't catch him engaging in human trafficking and rape. The British police for all their deserved criticism are pretty onto that shit now.
nah he's just not quite brown enough to get away with it in bongladesh
>move to corrupt shithole because you have money
>openly shit talk said corrupt shit hole
Hmmm
Because he's a pedophile.
this nagger doesnt even have money, he lives in a warehouse next to the graveyard in bucharest. even if he was just moving to romania cause LOL MUH CORRUPT POLICE SO BASED if he wasnt a broke fag he would buy a much nicer property.
If he was rich he would live in Cluj lol. Bucharest is for posers.
EU gibs increase your lending power exponentially
t. Pole
How many Abrams can $2.5B buy?
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/romania-m1a2-abrams-main-battle-tanks
The Government of Romania has requested to buy fifty-four (54) M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams Main Battle Tanks; fifty-four (54) M1A1 Structures; four (4) M88A2 HERCULES Combat Recovery Vehicles; four (4) M1110 Joint Assault Bridges; four (4) M1150 Assault Breacher Vehicles; four (4) Heavy Assault Scissor Bridges (HASB); fifty-four (54) M240C 7.62mm machine guns; ten (10) AGT1500 Gas Turbine engines; five thousand nine hundred forty (5,940) 120mm M1147 High Explosive, Multipurpose, Tracer (HEMP-T) cartridges; and four thousand two hundred thirty (4,230) 120mm M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose, Tracer (TPMP-T) cartridges. Also included are mine rollers; Enhanced Heavy Equipment Transporter (EHET) M1300 tractors with M1302 trailer with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT) M978A4 with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Tank Rack Modules (TRM) M107A1 fuel trailer (2500 gal) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; HEMTT A4 M1120 Load Handling System (LHS ) with B-Kit/Frag Kit; Ml076Al with flat rack and B-Kit/Frag Kit; Forward Repair Systems; trailer mounted generators; Common Remote Operated Weapons Station Low Profile (CROWS-LP); M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns; communications equipment; global positioning system (GPS) receivers; service and training ammunition; spare and repair parts; Special Tools and Test Equipment (STTE); technical manuals and publications; maintenance trainers; gunnery training systems; tank driver’s trainers; new equipment training; U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics personnel services; concurrent spare parts; Field Service Representative (FSR) support; Contractor Logistics Support (CLS); Next Generation Automatic Test System (NGATS); logistics products; tank range upgrade; Intensive Management Office (IMO); Foreign Liaison Officer (FLO); Program Management Reviews (PMR); test measurement and diagnostic equipment; and other related elements
>54 m1a2
>54 m1a1
I'm probably misreading here but that sounds like 108 tanks
i'm reading it as 54 purchased m1a1 hulls and 54 delivered m1a2sep3 tanks after overhaul
Okay
Genuinely and non-rhetorically curious about what the hell the hulls are for
they're what's getting overhauled
seems like a silly way of billing it but i can't imagine why they'd be called m1a1 structures if they were intended to be operational vehicles
I can't fucking believe that the Germs or even the Frogs haven't completely monopolized the European armor market.
if they cant really produce anything then a couple of hulls in years because of their retarded pacifism cowardize then no overheating arms buyer is going to take them seriously. East euro is arming up because everybody and their dogs expects vatnikstans chimp out to flare up into a larger regional war in the coming years. You need prepped industrial capacity to ramp up ammo and machine production to replace combat losses, not just the specs on individual pieces
The germs were too busy absorbing the East and the frogs are dumbasses who can't into economies of scale.
The frogs cant build tanks, because France hates treaded vehicles. EVERYTHING MUST HAVE WHEELS, NO EXCEPTION
Come on, the Leclerc doesn't have wheels
the frogs wish it had wheels
like the second son, who is just okay with his engineering job, but you wish he was a successful doctor like your first son
Yeah but that's because the Ferrari pit crew sucks
Where we're going we wont need tracks, hon hon hon
HOLY FUCK I'VE WISHED FOR YEARS FOR THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO COME. this is the first time in recent history that we made the right choice
lmao I'm glad they didn't, we made a lot of bad choices both militarily and economically thanks to our tarded, corrupt, money hungry politicians, avoiding the leo meme is not one of them
The Germs cockblocked the French by giving away used Leopards like a candy
Germany doesn't produce enough tanks to cover the sudden demand after the ukraine war. France doesn't produce tanks at all.
USA has deeper pockets to bri.. erh Lobby the politicians that buy these overpriced vehicles.
the eternal european cope
>countries want to buy top-line equipment operated in numbers ten times larger than whatever we have to offer because... le bribes!
>ours would have been cheaper! no you can't see our offer, it's literally classified as a state secret.
>here, have a wikipedia article on a bribery scandal from 1956 that resulted in a lot of laws being passed to prevent it from happening again as proof that it's happening again.
>doesn't say anything about sabot rounds
>not a single spare M240C
My fucking god they got fleeced. Is it going to come out the cheek armor is empty as well?
They probably don't care about spare guns for the loader tbh
Can I work in an abrams if I’m 6’3 ?
Yes you can,just look at Nicholas Moran
I never see this discussed about the Ukraine war. It’s the end of slavshit for military use. Eastern Europe kept slavshit around because they had it and it boosts numbers on paper but after seeing their terrible performance in the real world they can’t ignore that it’s on paper only and has to be replaced.
>It’s the end of slavshit for military use
saddest part is that all these beautiful Soviet Tanks are ending up being launched to the stratosphere instead of museums or some rich guy's playground
BASED
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I still remember when the IMF told Romania they were too poor to buy those helicopters. Were they lying then or are they lying now?
they are gypsies. Ofc they look like a garbage pile on the facade while hoarding a dragons hoard of bling in their stashes
>Typical Romanian copium to blame all poverty on gypsies
In complete serious the biggest problem Romania has isn't Russia so much as corruption and a substantial part of the population living in abject poverty. Unless those Abrams are going to be used to execute politicians by crushing them in their luxury cars and help build infrastructure (in which case, based.) they frankly should be given a free pass on the NATO spending commitment to pay it back in future once investments return.
>hurr durr as an AMERICAN I demand to see a return on my defence spending
Then go to Romania and pick up a girlfriend. Romanian women are beautiful and some, I am told, are intelligent but it's basically a hunger games-tier struggle for them to get out of the country because no matter how well they do it is automatically invalidated by some oligarch.
Another problem we have is that all the competent people abandon ship to live in more developed countries. So all that's left is braindead people or those who join government positions for personal benefits. Brain drain is a destructive force.
no communist country has ever recovered economically, but that is no excuse not to have a decently equipped military when you're a border away from the blight of europe
>herf derf murder ur politicianz xD
an equally retarded one will take his place, you only resort to that shit against communists
I'm not that anons, or romanian but you can clearly see those are gypsies on that photo
Average Romanian is pretty much a gypsy. If anyone remembers Vee he also claimed he wasn't a gypsy, but looked like a gypsy.
Vee looks like a typical Med dude. Gypsies look like Indians.
>Vee
You mean that rightoid nutjob Romanian TVee?
Gyppo slums look like this everywhere. You could (and many countries do) literally pay them to not be poor anymore and they will instead stay poor because it's their "culture". If you bulldoze a slum another one will pop up on the other side of town overnight. It's a mistake to assume they're even remotely similar culturally to anyone else in Europe, it's better to treat them like some sort of fantasy race of goblins or something like that.
i wanted to treat them like reactive mobile targets but noone here will issue me a loicense to kill
i guess that means ukraine will eventually supplied with tr-85s i smehow love the look of those tanks
They should buy Korean asiatic tanks like Poland. So they can get the manufacturing licence and make them themselves.
Finally some upgrades. How's that F-35 procurement going?
US sends tanks to Romania. Romania sends them to Ukraine.
Another reason why any talk of US ending shipments to Ukraine is trivial.
We're also purchasing 129 Heavy Gun Carriers JLTVs. So far we have 33 of them. I hope they will be well maintained if we're spending so much modernizing.
And the first F-35s of our procurement are set to arrive in 2032
They should send all those tanks to Ukraine ASAP