This. Why are ukies so desperate?
The base wasn't even hit by anything. There was an ammunition explosion, and the military base returned to port on its own power.
Do you want to scream louder?
Today the Russian press is trying to tell that according to bild.de, the Russian army captured the PzH 2000
And as proof, they give a link to the site bild.de. Not an article, not a message, not a tweet, just a website.
Business as usual. They also tried to claim an M777 as "captured" a few weeks ago and the source was an ukrainian video of an ukrainian dude speaking ukrainian with background music from guess where.
Do you want to scream louder?
Today the Russian press is trying to tell that according to bild.de, the Russian army captured the PzH 2000
And as proof, they give a link to the site bild.de. Not an article, not a message, not a tweet, just a website.
They also took footage of a Ukrainian tank towing along a captured Russian tank, reversed the footage, and tried to claim it was ACTUALLY a russian tank towing a captured ukrainian one
Just like the captured Caesar. >Caesar captured! >According to this respected French politician and lawyer! >What do you mean he's an infamous French vatnik and conspiratard who has never served France in any capacity? What do you mean it didn't actually happen?
>Once this war is over the paid shills need to be rounded up and either given to Ukraine
God I hope so. We really should do this, but I know we want because freedom of speech and all of that.
>invade your country >destroy your home >rape your sister >bind your parents' hands and shoot them out back >why are you shooting at me im your brother?
>Be invading army >All you have to do is just not invade >Invade >why am I suddenly getting shot at >Do 360 and walk straight
The Ukrainians are not invading Russia, Russia is invading Ukraine
I don't think Russia even has the character to report dead soldiers, but I also don't trust those >Russian soldier calls home to tell grandma about war AND CRIES
Seems very propaganda'ish
At the same time >Your husband just died >Here's $133 worth in roubles, now smile and look at the camera
Russia won't do shit. NATO has been pushing its wiener down Russias throat for 4 months already, every few weeks it gets deeper and deeper and Russia only gags. Toothless barking dog.
I found it hilarious how in the majority of discourse about invasion initially, there's this particular notion planted about how NATO won't do shit about this; And now here we are, a complete 180 with the majority of the discussion now, talking about how the Russians won't do shit about the advanced weapon shipments and the intel support from NATO toward the Ukies.
>Risk of escalation
Do it. Escalate. Please do it. Fricking do it, coward. Please, pretty please, I am begging Russia on my god damned knees with tears in my eyes, give NATO a reason to let go of the leash.
>implying
Russia literally can not have maintained its arsenal with the money they have available, none would reach the US anyway, and even if they did they'd be doing us a favor by removing our most politically virulent cities that are politically virulent courtesy of Russia in the first place.
There is literally no version of this that the world doesn't come out ahead.
One of the funnier scenarios is if Russia decides to ape out, launches nukes, and nobody launches nukes back. Just uses conventional weapons to knock most of the functioning ones down, then proceed to wipe everything Russian from the face of the Earth with conventional arms. End result, maybe a dozen Russian nukes land somewhere and level a few cities, take out a few military targets, then is standing there with its sad little dick wagging in the breeze, no nukes left, the entire world coming across the borders to wipe every Russian from existence. With entirely conventional weapons.
I've been considering this possibility, and therefore assume that people smarter than me have also done some calculus on it. Possibly even Russia has done so, too, and realizes just how fricked they could be if they do decide to launch and nobody responds with nukes. Modern tech has advanced to the point that this is a real consideration.
The USSR at its height had enough nuclear warheads to kill all humans several times over. Only some of this fissile material was used to fuel power plants, Russia gave none of it away.
>implying
Russia literally can not have maintained its arsenal with the money they have available, none would reach the US anyway, and even if they did they'd be doing us a favor by removing our most politically virulent cities that are politically virulent courtesy of Russia in the first place.
There is literally no version of this that the world doesn't come out ahead.
Russia has spent most of it's military budget (~$60b USD with Russian PPP) maintaining and upgrading it's strategic nuclear deterrent, while letting it's conventional forces literally rot.
Russia and to a lesser extent China are the sources of nearly every fricking problem in the world. Russia ceasing to exist would have unimaginable benefit to the entire world for generations, even more so if China goes down with them or embraces the west.
wait, did you also realise that the legit paid vatnik trolls always put punctuation marks only AFTER the space and capitalize random letters? What's the reason?
It's not just here. Every shill talking point across all media is taking everything that happens and trying to twist it into "t-the big bad west is escalating". Ukraine using their own indigenous missiles to strike into Russia is western escalation. Lithuania exercising its sovereign right to control what passes through its territory is western escalation. Ukraine using western artillery to strike targets in Ukraine is western escalation. Anything short of abandoning eastern europe altogether will be seen as escalation.
You fail to grasp just how shitty of a ruler Putin really is. It's not about war going badly it's about their whole society being broken and decrepit. Everything that was worth something was stolen by Monke and his gang. If a good ruler was placed instead this situation would probably not happen in the first place. Russia could easily pull Ukraine and a bunch of other nations around it back into its sphere of influence if it wasn't a complete shithole.
Ukraine actually has industry, an economy, prosperous trade. Or at least they did, because Russia genocides everyone that discovers that living outside of Russian influence is a one way ticket to prosperity and security.
not true, Ukraine had a third of Russia's GDP per capita, and this was before the war begun
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, because they were invaded by Russia in 2014. But percapita GDP doesn’t accurately capture the living standard of 90% of Russians, because such a huge portion of their economy is essentially legal embezzlement and another huge portion is extraction revenues where the highly paid labor is over 30% foreign and all of the capital investment flows overseas because Russia doesn’t produce any of the modern equipment needed.
Dude, Ukraine is literally 90s tier Russia. It's completely ruled by Oligarchs and organised crime. The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago. That is how fricking change of business property occurs all the time in Ukraine, your goons walk in with guns and say "ours now".
The idea that Ukraine is some prosperous society is just a fricking joke. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes. Even fricking Albania is a richer country than Ukraine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Truth, if big. Ladle some sauce on that?
>Hard Mode: krokodil hallucinations are not sauce
2 years ago
Anonymous
not that guy and I have no clue about this claim
But I've personally learned why you do not do business east of the EU without a local you can count on (for a price).
Short story I was going in to meet with a potential supplier. As per usual my potential supplier had some one waiting at the airport to pick me up. As per un-usual it was a rival producer that had gotten wind of me coming over and had diced that he really had to show me his wares first.
My regular supplier is not in the Czech republic and they are good to me and I'm safe getting into cars with strangers once again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>business man try to get access to rivals customers
What does this have to do with mafia behaviour? In east europe you have to pay expensive prices as a tourist. You just described shady businessmen you can meet in every country!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>kidnapping someone so you can show them your wares >is totally normal like in poland is custom to beat pat costumor on head so sign papers
yes totally legit business move kidnapping and intimidating potential costumers
I was lucky I know people that matter enough to get me out that time. Still cost me a bloody nuisance to pay back that favor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds like your dick is too small to be investing in eastern Europe. I'm guessing middle eastern or Indian spending dads stolen wealth?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if you get kidnapped you are small kick and shitskin
dude take the L Ukraine is not on the same level as the rest of Europe, or most of the world really, yet.
They need a lot of opening up and reform.
Ukraine is a bit of a trap because they present them selves and are propped up to be in essence western. So you make assumptions based on that, investment and safety wise.
When you go to Africa you take bodyguards as a given. But you'd assume you wouldn't need them in a "western" country.
And yes I do spend daddies money. And I'm proud of keeping the family business in the family and growing it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a legitimate concern friend anon. but I think Ukraine will really clean that stuff up over the next few years. As you've probably heard, the country is crawling with CIA glowies and after all the help we've given them, the US will probably pretty much own it for the foreseeable future. That will likely entail big crackdowns on corruption and mafia shit that US intelligence gets wind of.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Keep in mind, numerous police agencies are in Ukraine right now helping with the forensics for war crimes, particularly Scotland Yard, whatever France uses as the equivalent (and they have a very high rep in the world), the U.S. FBI working with the U.S. State Dept, the Netherlands, Poland, Germany, Sweden that I can remember. Maybe Japan, too? As of last week they have officially documented about 15,000 individual war crimes and crime scenes and are advising, training, and leading investigations. The Ukrainian police force is going to have one of the most experienced and trained teams in place in the world, something the EU is specifically encouraging and supporting so as to speed up reforms for Ukraine's entry into the EU.
It's sort of an informal International Marshal Plan for law enforcement that many countries are cooperating on under the general blanket of aid, humanitarian aid, and criminal investigation. While it's obviously targeted at Russian war crimes ... which will be vigorously pursued for decades to come beyond levels applied toward tracking down WWII Nazi war criminals ... just as obviously it's an intense effort to reform Ukrainian law enforcement and attempt to bring it to, and possibly exceed, modern Western standards. You can bet hard currency that anti-corruption is going to get intense scrutiny and training.
2 years ago
Anonymous
m8 ukraine isn't going to exist (at least in its current form) in a few years
2 years ago
Anonymous
Neither will Russia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
EU has bought over 40 billion dollars worth of energy from Russia since the war started m8. Russia is going nowhere.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wars cost hundreds of billions to trillions, fool.
2 years ago
Sage
And? It’s only been 4 months and the EU has already bought 40 billion dollars worth from Russia. It’s not even winter yet lmao. And EU isn’t even their only customer. Remember China and India have signed contracts with Russia to buy their energy for the next FOURTY YEARS
2 years ago
Sage
Oh yeah, not to mention much of that Russian energy sold to the EU flows through pipelines that run through Ukraine. Imagine being forced to facilitate trade on your own land by your allies between them and your invader lmao
Fricking jannies
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/6Ml6KKc.jpg
Oh yeah, not to mention much of that Russian energy sold to the EU flows through pipelines that run through Ukraine. Imagine being forced to facilitate trade on your own land by your allies between them and your invader lmao
Fricking jannies
meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druzhba_pipeline
2 years ago
Anonymous
bro, even right now Ukraine still buys the majority of its energy from Russia. this isn't some little-known fact, this is well-known.
Shut the frick up, vatnigg
2 years ago
Anonymous
bro, even right now Ukraine still buys the majority of its energy from Russia. this isn't some little-known fact, this is well-known.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Remember China and India have signed contracts with Russia to buy their energy for the next FOURTY YEARS
At how much of a discounted price? Show me the contract.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And by 2023 they won‘t buy anything .Do vatniks not understand long term consequences ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russians are genetically incapable of object permanence. This also prevents them from comprehending what it's like for human beings who do possess it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah instead they'll buy that exact same russian oil/gas from chinese/indian merchants, for a small markup 😉
2 years ago
Anonymous
> long term contracts
Penalties for breaking the contracts would be even worse.
> The argument for an independent republic is that Siberia makes up 77% of Russian territory (13.1 million square kilometers) which includes 40 million people. Western Siberia has rich oil and gas reserves, but the taxes go directly to Moscow. Getting extraction companies to pay taxes in the regions where they operate would benefit Siberia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And? It’s only been 4 months and the EU has already bought 40 billion dollars worth from Russia. It’s not even winter yet lmao. And EU isn’t even their only customer. Remember China and India have signed contracts with Russia to buy their energy for the next FOURTY YEARS
this. sanctions harm Europe more than they harm Russia. they will be forced to remove most sanctions and stop sending weapons to Ukraine or they will suffer heavy economic recession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this. i am from england it is past time we stop sending to weapons to those bloody benchod in ukraine i call upon england president BORIS JOHNSON to stop sending the weapon in ukraine
2 years ago
Anonymous
>haha le funny london oblast meme
meanwhile in reality Ukraine and EU still buys most of their fuel and energy from Russia even while being "at war" with them
2 years ago
Anonymous
If by most you mean 10% in case of Germany, then yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>we didnt NEED to not freeze to death in the winter
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Europe needs gas and can't simply replace it >Russia doesn't need money as the country functions on pure belief in the Führer
Ok
2 years ago
Anonymous
m8 look at your own chart.
the supply of US LNG hasn't gone up since the start of the year. the euros just have less fuel now. their gas reserves are sub 20% of their needed level right now
2 years ago
Anonymous
The reserves are actually bang on average, M8
Stop lying
they are making progress everyday. lysychansk is now fully under their control
That's 40km from their border. Did the Russians achieve any territorial gains outside the supply range of their own borders?
If the answer is No, which it is, that gives you an estimate on how well they will perform in the future.
Russia can't operate offensively, more than 60km from it's border. That's their limit as they wait for the west to send equipment from 2015 against their equipment from 1965.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia could sustain this war for years with those money. Time is not on Ukraine side
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe that 40bn will reverse your brain drain, fix your glonass, resolve your organisational issues, resurrect your generals and colonels, and increase your kalibr production beyond 1-2/mo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia has enough manpower, Ukraine does not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>We'll just send wave after wave of our own men into the meatgrinder. >Eventually the Ukies will grow tired of killing them and then we got them where we need them.
they have enough
>We have enough. We just have enough. We have enough. We have plenty. We are stronk.
m8 look at your own chart.
the supply of US LNG hasn't gone up since the start of the year. the euros just have less fuel now. their gas reserves are sub 20% of their needed level right now
Check out the pic, the reserves are as full as they where in 2021, more than in 2020. Natgas is about 10% of the energy mix Germany uses. They will shut down some energy intensive industry over the winter and reduce heating from mandatory 21°C to 18°C for Fernwärme.
That is if we wouldn't be able to procure any natgas somewhere else or restart coal.
The leaders tell you you got Europe by the balls, but that isn't the case. It's nothing but an inconvenience, once the new LNG terminals are built it's not even that.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Gasspeicher-in-Deutschland-So-steht-es-um-die-Fuellstaende,gasspeicher120.html
they are making progress everyday. lysychansk is now fully under their control
I heard Russia is winning in two weeks, is that true?
2 years ago
Anonymous
alright
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Russia could sustain this war for years with those money
really? where they will buy tanks, ammo, planes, drones, smerches, etc. that they constantly need, what about troops, where are they going to buy more of them?
2 years ago
Anonymous
they have enough
2 years ago
Anonymous
is this why they are sending T-62 to front lines and pulling artillery shells out of Belarus?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia has enough manpower, Ukraine does not.
Russia could sustain this war for years with those money. Time is not on Ukraine side
The Russian leadership agrees with you and probably just ignores all criticism in their strategy. Which is why they stalled 40km from their own border and will lose the war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
they are making progress everyday. lysychansk is now fully under their control
2 years ago
Anonymous
we expected you to take kyiv in one day, and here you are celebrating that it took 140x as long to take some place that i assumed had already been under russian control since 2014
2 years ago
Anonymous
I try not to call people vatnigs but cmon man. Even if Russia manages to hold on to all its taken the rest of Ukraine is still going to be around, there is no way no how Russia can capture any more of the country than it has, not the way things have been going recently.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and? ukraine has lost a quarter of its population and 100% of its oil/gas reserves, and a big chunk of its arable land.
ukraine, at least as a european economic force, is done. it's at best going to be a polish rump state held up entirely by EU gibs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually IIRC a lot of its unexploited gas fields were in the Kharkiv region, which Ukraine has either retaken or will retake soon. Losing Donbabwe is tough but if it's retaken Karkiv it's not totally crippled.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i've been hearing that the UA is just days away from retaking Kharkiv for two months now
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Ukrainians retook Kharkiv city. Russians are in the border areas
2 years ago
Anonymous
They never lost it. It was blocked for a brief moment. Not even encircled.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia never took kharkiv
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think you're mixing it up with Kherson.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>100% of its oil/gas reserves
lmfao wut?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you sound tearful
2 years ago
Anonymous
not being a russhit colony does wonders for the economy, even better than having petrol or gas. Poland was even poorer than Ukraine, and now it is a significant economy in Europe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> numerous police agencies are in Ukraine right now helping with the forensics for war crimes,
I'm hoping Ukrainians can pull some Armenian style shenanigans in the future.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can bet hard currency that anti-corruption is going to get intense scrutiny and training.
i wish they'd do this in the UK too
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon, who the frick do you think is behind all this corruption in the first place? did you miss trump's impeachment trial? all those billions the state department 'can't account for' in ukraine? all that federal money going to soros orgs in fricking ukraine? one thing the cia absolutely does not do is clean up corruption. how fricking high are you right now you blatant, blatant glowBlack person.
i never thought i would see the day when some fricking idiot thought they could come to /k/ and state without trollface that the cia cleans up corruption. holy fricking balls, my sides.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anon, who the frick do you think is behind all this corruption in the first place?
Russians? I mean they literally pulled criminals out of jail, like Yanukovich, to push them into politics. And almost everyone in his party was like that, corrupt criminal propped by Russia
2 years ago
Anonymous
What were they criminals of? Because if it's "threat to the state" type shit I can see why.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What were they criminals of?
petty crimes, racketeering, falsifying elections, selling state properties, pyramid schemes, etc.
Yanukovich himself was serving for mugging.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>m-m-muh russians
you're right dude, everyone in ukraine who isn't russian (and good luck with that) is a paragon of virtue and the networth of ukrainian actor is that much because he's a scrupulous saver. all that state money was totally going to orphanges and it would have worked if it wasn't for those damned russians! under the bed plotting against hilary again, that's why she lost! and of course, once the cia finally get into ukraine (euromaidan was totally organic) they'll tackle crime and corruption like the pure-hearted g-men they really are!
you must go back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
find & replace with russian puppets
2 years ago
Anonymous
You've asked who's behind most of corruption. I've pointed out that pro-Russian parties, propped up by Russia, was full of criminals like Yanukovich and all of them were corrupt. Hence Russia is behind majority of corruption. Am I wrong?
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
While I do trust Zelenskyy more just because he fiercely resisted the Russian hordes (unlike the Crimean general who sold out his region to Putin), it should be noted that Zelenskyy himself IS RUSSIAN.
At least ethnically and limguistically. His first language is Russian and he is considered to have a Russian accent when speaking Ukrainian - something he rarely did before becoming president
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of Russian-Ukrainians oppose the invasion. Hell a considerable number of them have sworn off speaking the Russian language and are now trying to master Ukrainian, as a "frick you" to the invaders.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it should be noted that Zelenskyy himself IS RUSSIAN. At least ethnically and limguistically.
He's israeli.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lots of israelites in russia. lots of russian israelites in the world - 20% of israelites in israel are russian israelites.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ethnicity, nationality and language aren't the same thing. Ashkenazi israelites aren't ethnically German despite the word "ashkenazi" just meaning "German".
2 years ago
Anonymous
this has backfired on you like a russian grad
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't understand what that has to do with anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
The irony of Russia's invasion is that it has provided the genesis of a new nationalism that transcends the traditional divide between ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians in the country.
When everyone is getting blown up together, it's a little bit more difficult to quarrel about other things. It's much easier to get pissed at the country invading you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>one thing the cia absolutely does not do is clean up corruption.
Fair enough, but they do have an interest in keeping the shady shit they proliferate under the table and out of the way of businessmen. When I said 'clean up corruption' I meant the sort of overt mafia stuff that makes people reluctant to invest. For all I know the CIA might do another MKultra over there or make those biolabs real or something, but I'm just saiyan they will almost certainly make Ukraine more business friendly than it was before.
2 years ago
Sage
> they do have an interest in keeping the shady shit they proliferate under the table and out of the way of businessmen.
Lmao dis homie really been asleep for the past 8 years. Google “Burisma Biden” kthxbye
2 years ago
Anonymous
>*somebody* needs a timeout in /x/
Go be a Qtard in /misc/.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're throwing daddie's money at Ukrainians like some shark wannabe because, unlike him, you lack actual business acumen. If I were Ukrainian I'd just ransom you back to him lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hungarian here, I visited Ukraine regularly before the war and it is indeed a corrupt shithole. But if Ukraine is the noose that we can strangle Russia with, they have all my support
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. learned about Ukraine via post-2014 RT articles
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago. That is how fricking change of business property occurs all the time in Ukraine, your goons walk in with guns and say "ours now".
bruh this is literally what russia did to ukraine in 2014 with the LPR, DPR and Crimea
I guess the stereotype of "russians always accuse others of what they themselves are doing" rings true yet again, pic semi related
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes.
Pretty interesting how out of the post-USSR shitholes the ones that maintained closest ties to Russia tend to also be the ones that are shittiest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The idea that Ukraine is some prosperous society is just a fricking joke. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes
Well, they are trying to leave Russia's sphere for a reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Indeed. It sucks in Ukraine. That's why they are trying to improve.
2 years ago
Anonymous
strange how the closer you are to Russia, the shittier people live.Makes you think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope Ukrainians can persevere in edifying their nation in the face of their violent redneck neighbor
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person, do you even try?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Europe can be 'blockaded' for both fuel and food without Ukraine available, and America otherwise occupied or neutralized. Broken clocks are right twice a day, regardless of Biden, Pelosi, & Kerry's sons (among others) being balls deep in daylight robbery corruption there -- Why is Hunter seen in pics with Chinese prostitutes on business trips 'for the big guy' there? Action would be required, if only to demonstrate their leverage on these 5th column goblins was moot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Orange man lost. Get over it. Contact the Kremlin for new talking points, those have already been exposed and debunked many times over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ukraine was improving a lot since they threw out the russian puppet gov. of course, the war has buggered that up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago
No wonder, a lot of the people there identify as russians. If they all leave (or get assimilated) - crime and corruption in Ukraine will decrease significantly.
Ukraine has been on a consistent upward trajectory whilst Russia funnels an absurd proportion of its GDP into the foreign accounts of its oligarchs as the quality of life for the average Russian circles the drain and Ukraine would have been a far more prosperous state than Russia if Russia had simply not used the LGM to frick up the east of Ukraine and then have stolen Crimea.
It has also started to become slightly less of a complete shithole since 2013. Quite a weird coincidence, I must say.
same as it was average GDP growth rate 2011-2020 is -0.4
Ukraine doesn't have hundreds of billions of dollars of "free money".
Yeah, because they were invaded by Russia in 2014. But percapita GDP doesn’t accurately capture the living standard of 90% of Russians, because such a huge portion of their economy is essentially legal embezzlement and another huge portion is extraction revenues where the highly paid labor is over 30% foreign and all of the capital investment flows overseas because Russia doesn’t produce any of the modern equipment needed.
Russia only invaded Crimea in 2014.
cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
Crimea was part of ukraine in 2014 and russian troops participated in the civil war as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
come on, Russian troops were involved in donbass and that's the only reason it still exists in 2022
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's amazing how conveniently little green vatBlack folk running around shooting down civilian aircraft with Russian weapons platforms is "forgotten" in these shillbot spamfests. It's like vodka Black folk have no sense of object permanence and therefore assume nobody else has access to basic memory functions or an Internet search engine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's like vodka Black folk have no sense of object permanence and therefore assume nobody else has access to basic memory functions or an Internet search engine.
That's exactly what they think, or at least until proven otherwise. In the early days of the invasion they tried to claim that Ukraine really did do a terrorist attack that they were just retaliating against a la 9/11, but that the information was wiped from the Internet, lol
With vatniks history being what it is. No. Neighbors wont side with vatniks even if they are doing relatively well off compared to their average. Simply because everyone knows that the same aggressive ape is still in there.
Also spheres of influence are fricking cringe and completely redundant generally, specially when it comes to vatniks. The latter have only been able to "influence" anybody near it with sheer terror and violence to enslave said neighbors and never had an ounce of any soft pull.
Same goes for wumaos- just because they are doing economically well off does not mean the likes of Vietnam or Taiwan or S.Korea or Japan are rushing to befriend them. Simply because of history everyone around them knows what obnoxious c**ts they are.
If anyone in modern history has claim for sphere of influence it is burgers. Thing is the majority of it has come from a combo of hard and soft power AND not trying to fricking enslave everyone they think they an ounce of advantage over. Even after failed nation building in Middle East or ideological moronation like woketards they still are exerting more influence over other nations then other wannabe superpowers have ever had. Closest in history I can think of is UK straight after the Napoleonic wars.
This seems like a troll but wildly funny that Russia invades Ukraine to the point where it’s arguably total war on the side of Ukraine, and then get mad and say any attacks in Russia are an escalation. They really are the big moronic kid we all grew up with.
They have even less sense of accountability than white American women.
I keep seeing them as BLM nigs. Same exact MO, antagonize and threaten everybody around you constantly, do everything you can to frick everybody else's shit up, go out and destroy and steal somebody else's stuff, and then scream that you're being oppressed when somebody retaliates and threaten to destroy everything including yourself if they try to stop your rampage.
Russia needs to be annihilated. Every Russian east of Kaliningrad and west of Vladivostok needs to be killed. The entire Russian "culture" must be purged from existence.
Russia is a cancerous wart and it's high ttime it finally got the radiation/chemical/biological treatment it needs.
Belgorod is barely across the border, and is being used as a massive depot for weapons, soldiers, and fuel being sent into Ukraine. It does not even remotely qualify as "deep inside Russia." It is, however, a fully legitimate military target responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians.
Fun fact: Russian soldiers are raping the shit out of Russian women in Belgorod. Apparently they're practicing for their deployment into Ukraine.
>tell ukraine to stop bombing us, or we war, only we can bomb the ukraine
We don't give a frick, homosexual. You vatBlack folk think you can kill tens of thousands on Ukraine, and then cry when places in r*ssia starts to get hit?
Muh nooks seem to be the usual answer. Given the state of the rest of Russia's military I wouldn't be too surprised if half of Vatnik nukes either didn't work or ended up hitting targets in Russia instead.
It will probably take some very large provocations for Russia to go to war with NATO because they probably know that the only way that would end would be Russia getting destroyed. If they only used conventional weapons then they'd be destroyed with conventional weapons. If they escalated to nukes then MAD.
>If they escalated to nukes then MAD
If Russia escalates to nukes, it's a NATO ultimatum followed by a conventional dismantling of Russia if Russia does not comply.
If Russia nukes a city, then it's MAD.
Why do wankers still try to use "concern trolling" here when it's so blatantly nonsense?
At least be honest and just call others homosexual-ass NATO israelite-lover for not supporting Russia, its more convincing to boot.
yes I am Charly Budweiser from Grad Rapids Michigansk and feel this risk too be too high to even fathom, we capitalist peons simply do not understand the psyche of strongman such as Putin
someone crop a dozen missiles coming from above the cat heading towards the smoke pile. >screaming cowboy kat grants +20 missile summon damage and +10 summon amount.
I don't know what to think of the source, but this just posted:
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2022/07/03/ukraine-rains-missiles-on-russian-military-base-in-melitopol/
Interesting claims:
Ukrainian forces hit a Russian military logistics base with over 30 strikes in the Russian-occupied southern city of Melitopol on Sunday, the city’s exiled mayor said.
A Russian-installed official confirmed that strikes had hit the city.
“At 3 o’clock (0000 GMT) and 5 o’clock (0200 GMT), there were over 30 strikes on a single military base,” Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov, who is currently on Ukraine-controlled territory, said on Telegram.
The military aerial logistics base has been “taken out of action” and other resistance activity caused a Russian armoured train carrying ammunition to derail on Saturday near Melitopol, Fedorov said.
The base was occupied on the second day of Russia’s invasion in February and was being used to store ammunition for heavy Russian weapons, he later said on television.
“They stored and handled the logistics of ammunition for heavy weapons at this base,” he said.
“At present the situation has not calmed down (and) everything is still detonating,” he added.
Russia’s RIA news agency reported that Ukraine had hit the Aviamistechko area of Melitopol where the city’s airport is located, but did not specify what had been hit.
RIA cited local Russian-appointed official Vladimir Rogov as saying that around 16-18 Ukrainian MLRS rockets had hit Melitopol in two strikes at 0300 and 0445 Moscow time (1200 GMT and 0145 GMT).
Do a news search right now. RIA is only one source being cited because an official Russian spokesman has confirmed that the base was hit and is non-functioning. There are other sources, including video being posted. "Destroyed" is beginning to look like an accurate assessment.
> "Today the Ukrainian military forces decommissioned one of the Russian military bases."
Ivan Fedorov [mayor of Melitopol] said in a video posted on Telegram messaging.
Military people like to swap words, in order to avoid a negative connotation. Fricking pussies. Just say kill, not some gay shit like "eliminated" or "neutralized"
That Russian base is just the first to be blasted.
Vatniks talking about, "Oh the Ukrainians only have a handful of HIMARS!" miss the point.
The point is simply that the Ukrainians only have to hit a couple of targets to frick up the Russians' best-laid plans. Since the Russians blew up all the infrastructure in many places they grabbed, they're totally dependent on outside supplies.
>Since the Russians blew up all the infrastructure in many places they grabbed, they're totally dependent on outside supplies.
People really don't think about stuff like this. Go back and look at the effort required by the US Army to get rail operations up and going after they've been subjected to prolonged air attack.
By wrecking fricking everything, it badly slows down Russian operations since now they have to WAIT on everything to arrive. Food, water, medical supplies.
But, all that shit can be blown up in transit. Especially ammo.
All Russian ammo points destroyed by HIMARS? No more Russian advance.
Black person it cannot survive alone, and the moment it is captured it is going to be used for an offensive against Poland or something, putin doesn't give a shit those are not his people.
Ukraine could hit a Russian orphanage and it would only make me support them harder, and make me hate Western hippies even more.
I regularly see hardcore rightwingers that stink up the place with pro-life propaganda supporting Ukraine, while lefties and socialists are blubbering about peace and how war is bad and scary and also Ukraine has nazis.
As a pretty staunch left-winger, being forced to praise Elon Musk, Boris Johnson and Duda has been fricking heart-breaking.
>As a pretty staunch left-winger, being forced to praise Elon Musk, Boris Johnson and Duda has been fricking heart-breaking.
Yeah, but these people are still c**ts - they just happen to be opposing genocide at the moment but their bullshit otherwise isn't forgotten or excused.
It’s a shame full guerrilla warfare is gone in this and it’s all modern now cuz those fields are PERFECT for an American Revolution style pop out of the wheat and focus on the officer ambush.
It's only going to ramp up. All those enraged fleeing civilians are going to want revenge. They literally have NOTHING to go back for now, except Russian blood.
The Ukrainians should exploit their ability to competently maneuver, akin to the Shenandoah Valley Campaign where the CSA ran circles around the Union forces.
Keep exhausting the Russians by repositioning. And get the HIMARS into attacking range. Start blowing up the Russian occupiers from afar, especially whenever the Vatniks try to give chase.
>Kiev >40km
it doesn't matter. Donbas is under Russian control now and it will cost Ukraine a lot of soldier and weapons to take back the region. the West doesn't have the necessary political will to support Ukraine forever. EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions. They can't function without Russia. and that is not counting China and India need for Russian natural resources
Russia doesn't need the world. the world needs Russia.
>it doesn't matter. Donbas is under Russian control now
half of donetsk is still in their hands, you're gonna need another 2-3 months getting that under control and even then, both ukraine and the west arent planning to stop anytime soon just because you took the donbass >it will cost Ukraine a lot of soldier and weapons to take back the region
probably, but so did russia >the West doesn't have the necessary political will to support Ukraine forever.
the military support isnt slowing down anytime soon >EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions
so does russia, why do you think they sell so much gas into europe in particular?, what about your own domestic economy? >They can't function without Russia.
all you are doing is further accelerating the independency away from russian energy, what happens to your dominant market share? >and that is not counting China and India need for Russian natural resources
they still have nowhere near the amount of pipelines and capacity as is in europe, why do you think they are so interested in maintaining dominance in the market supply in europe that they invaded ukraine for it?
>EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions
Lol, EU is fine. Current discussion is about raising interest rates by 0,75% instead of 0,5%, maybe preparing for a slight recession, finding new gas suppliers and sharing gas storage sites.
Meanwhile, Russia is headed for a pre-industrial economy.
steel cased ammo can be superior in every way except reloading and sealing. it can handle stupidly high pressures, it can be lighter by a large margin, more durable and able to be used in more violent actions, cheaper after mass production. the problem is no one is using these advantages (except cheapness) and the only people who make steel cased ammo are cheap shits who make poor quality everything. Steel can easily be the best, but as of now no one is using it for or capitalizing on it's inherit advantages.
>source: my ass
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-hits-russian-base-occupied-melitopol-exiled-mayor-says-2022-07-03/
NOOO DELETE
>"destroyed"
>"hits"
Awaiting clarification, there's a fair bit of distinction here. Looks like an impressive "hit," but could also just be a lot of fuel burning.
But, yeah, rooting for "destroyed." Hope there's big kino of that.
Source I think reuters is citing is this video where he says 1 out of 4 bases was detroyed
https://t.me/ivan_fedorov_melitopol/228
This. Why are ukies so desperate?
The base wasn't even hit by anything. There was an ammunition explosion, and the military base returned to port on its own power.
>There was an ammunition explosion, and the military base returned to port on its own power.
KEK
>exiled mayor says
NASA FIRMS fire satellite photography of melitopol From today.
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;@35.3,46.9,13z
And before. Melitopol airbase on google maps
k w/e
Source is the Mayor of Melitopol, you krokodil addict.
we need closeups of the aftermath
This is the best I can find:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1543401856487116802
https://streamable.com/hznq55
Brutal.
holy frick
Nightmare inducingly great
Jesus christ that's so tasteless, I feel guilty for laughing
Do you want to scream louder?
Today the Russian press is trying to tell that according to bild.de, the Russian army captured the PzH 2000
And as proof, they give a link to the site bild.de. Not an article, not a message, not a tweet, just a website.
Business as usual. They also tried to claim an M777 as "captured" a few weeks ago and the source was an ukrainian video of an ukrainian dude speaking ukrainian with background music from guess where.
They also took footage of a Ukrainian tank towing along a captured Russian tank, reversed the footage, and tried to claim it was ACTUALLY a russian tank towing a captured ukrainian one
Just like the captured Caesar.
>Caesar captured!
>According to this respected French politician and lawyer!
>What do you mean he's an infamous French vatnik and conspiratard who has never served France in any capacity? What do you mean it didn't actually happen?
I remember.
Once this war is over the paid shills need to be rounded up and either given to Ukraine to be used as forced labor or just shot outright.
>Once this war is over the paid shills need to be rounded up and either given to Ukraine
God I hope so. We really should do this, but I know we want because freedom of speech and all of that.
I hope the Ukrainians dedicate a Tochka just to the Internet Research Agency
please please please, can you find a video or online article about this? i'd want to show it to some vatBlack folk who'd really love to see it
>https://streamable.com/hznq55
Updooted.
>https://streamable.com/hznq55
brothers killing brothers, thanks for trying to make the globalist plan more palatable though.
>invade your country
>destroy your home
>rape your sister
>bind your parents' hands and shoot them out back
>why are you shooting at me im your brother?
Don't care
Russians aren't human
>send shitkins and goatfrickers to kill and rape white people
>use ballistic missiles to white people homes
>i-it's the globalists
shut up Black person
>calling his mom to shit talk
Years ago I saw a video of terrorists in Syria doing the same thing. Subhuman tier
every family has the right to know what happened to those soldiers. Subhuman tier is Russia lying that they are alive
They're literally on the same level as terrorists and you support it. You're not a good person.
if Russians don't want to hear about their sons and husbands getting dumped into mass graves they can just...not send them into war, just go home
your concern-trolling rings a tad hollow
Fair game then because Russians are at the level of raping Black person burglars.
>Be invading army
>All you have to do is just not invade
>Invade
>why am I suddenly getting shot at
>Do 360 and walk straight
The Ukrainians are not invading Russia, Russia is invading Ukraine
I don't think Russia even has the character to report dead soldiers, but I also don't trust those
>Russian soldier calls home to tell grandma about war AND CRIES
Seems very propaganda'ish
At the same time
>Your husband just died
>Here's $133 worth in roubles, now smile and look at the camera
Z-bus must be both most hilarious and saddest to come out of this war
>shit talk
He seemed pretty respectful
Jesus christ. If I'm not going to hell before I'm definitely going to hell now
according to civies there Russians closed the city, none can get in or out of it. Probably fearing it was done not by HIMARS but by insurgents
Wait, the Russians seriously think INSURGENTS did this?
If that's true, this is one hell of an escalation of the Ukrainian Insurgency's abilities.
why is the west allowing ukraine to use advanced weapons to strike deep into russia? the risk of escalation is too high.
Risk of escalation of what? It's Ukraine who hits russian land and they already engaged in special operation =^)
You yourself are too high, brother.
Russia won't do shit. NATO has been pushing its wiener down Russias throat for 4 months already, every few weeks it gets deeper and deeper and Russia only gags. Toothless barking dog.
Soon monkee will choke on that NATO banana
At least he squints his gas pepe.
I found it hilarious how in the majority of discourse about invasion initially, there's this particular notion planted about how NATO won't do shit about this; And now here we are, a complete 180 with the majority of the discussion now, talking about how the Russians won't do shit about the advanced weapon shipments and the intel support from NATO toward the Ukies.
>Russia engages in genocide once or twice a decade
>NOOOOOO HOW DARE YOUUUUU HIT MRUSSIAN MILITARY TARGETS
I wish a Black person would
>Risk of escalation
Do it. Escalate. Please do it. Fricking do it, coward. Please, pretty please, I am begging Russia on my god damned knees with tears in my eyes, give NATO a reason to let go of the leash.
>lets just die in nuclear war bro
frick that keep that shit to yourself
>implying
Russia literally can not have maintained its arsenal with the money they have available, none would reach the US anyway, and even if they did they'd be doing us a favor by removing our most politically virulent cities that are politically virulent courtesy of Russia in the first place.
There is literally no version of this that the world doesn't come out ahead.
Better to die of nuclear war now than to die of peak oil in 6 months.
The rivets are rattling.
Good job JIDF
seriously though what the frick is with that guy who kept repeating that phrase over and over again in the first few days of the war?
There's plenty of oil left in the US... the DNC just doesn't want anyone to drill for it.
In fairness, the Europeans don't drill for shale because they're too scared of earthquake potential.
Shale is unprofitable if price of oil is bellow 70$
There is excess of crude oil, problem is there is no enough refineries
At least it would be better option than letting russia win.
NATO wouldn't have any reason to escalate to nukes. The only way that would happen is if Russia did it.
One of the funnier scenarios is if Russia decides to ape out, launches nukes, and nobody launches nukes back. Just uses conventional weapons to knock most of the functioning ones down, then proceed to wipe everything Russian from the face of the Earth with conventional arms. End result, maybe a dozen Russian nukes land somewhere and level a few cities, take out a few military targets, then is standing there with its sad little dick wagging in the breeze, no nukes left, the entire world coming across the borders to wipe every Russian from existence. With entirely conventional weapons.
I've been considering this possibility, and therefore assume that people smarter than me have also done some calculus on it. Possibly even Russia has done so, too, and realizes just how fricked they could be if they do decide to launch and nobody responds with nukes. Modern tech has advanced to the point that this is a real consideration.
You are not far from reality 😉
The USSR at its height had enough nuclear warheads to kill all humans several times over. Only some of this fissile material was used to fuel power plants, Russia gave none of it away.
Russia has spent most of it's military budget (~$60b USD with Russian PPP) maintaining and upgrading it's strategic nuclear deterrent, while letting it's conventional forces literally rot.
Russia will never ever use their nukes
i would rather slowly melt into radioactive ooze than remember that a single fricking moskal still lives somewhere in the world
Yeah, Russia will think the exact same thing. No one will use nukes unless they are literally insane.
Internet barking dog.
Russia and to a lesser extent China are the sources of nearly every fricking problem in the world. Russia ceasing to exist would have unimaginable benefit to the entire world for generations, even more so if China goes down with them or embraces the west.
Wheelchair copelord.
Accurate description of Putin.
Frick off Paul Krupa.
as normal American Joe Hotdog from Kentucky Oblast I too am worry of this important topic of much concern
>Melitopol
> "in Russia"
(You) God damned frickwit.
This is why Russia is over. Delet all vatniks, with extreme prejudice.
Why do I keep seeing this exact same post over and over again?
Is this a shill op?
If they can find their shift key for punctuation marks but are allergic to capitalizing letters, the chances are good it's a shill.
wait, did you also realise that the legit paid vatnik trolls always put punctuation marks only AFTER the space and capitalize random letters? What's the reason?
Originally a shill post turned into a bait post.
Clearly if the wish is to collect (You)'s no matter how moronic you look, it works very well.
It's not just here. Every shill talking point across all media is taking everything that happens and trying to twist it into "t-the big bad west is escalating". Ukraine using their own indigenous missiles to strike into Russia is western escalation. Lithuania exercising its sovereign right to control what passes through its territory is western escalation. Ukraine using western artillery to strike targets in Ukraine is western escalation. Anything short of abandoning eastern europe altogether will be seen as escalation.
I think it's just a meme at this point, it's easy (you) fodder, but who knows.
Hot new shitpost off the presses
/k/ is the easiest board to troll.
>t. always has been.
Because Russia is ruled by a Pussy.
Had it been Joseph 'The Iron Fist' Stalin in charge, things would be very different, you'd have had nukes on Chernobyl on the first day.
Sadly today's rulers are just too pussy to do anything, and this includes NATO countries too.
You fail to grasp just how shitty of a ruler Putin really is. It's not about war going badly it's about their whole society being broken and decrepit. Everything that was worth something was stolen by Monke and his gang. If a good ruler was placed instead this situation would probably not happen in the first place. Russia could easily pull Ukraine and a bunch of other nations around it back into its sphere of influence if it wasn't a complete shithole.
Ukraine is a shithole too and it's ruled by Zelensky.
Ukraine actually has industry, an economy, prosperous trade. Or at least they did, because Russia genocides everyone that discovers that living outside of Russian influence is a one way ticket to prosperity and security.
not true, Ukraine had a third of Russia's GDP per capita, and this was before the war begun
Yeah, because they were invaded by Russia in 2014. But percapita GDP doesn’t accurately capture the living standard of 90% of Russians, because such a huge portion of their economy is essentially legal embezzlement and another huge portion is extraction revenues where the highly paid labor is over 30% foreign and all of the capital investment flows overseas because Russia doesn’t produce any of the modern equipment needed.
Dude, Ukraine is literally 90s tier Russia. It's completely ruled by Oligarchs and organised crime. The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago. That is how fricking change of business property occurs all the time in Ukraine, your goons walk in with guns and say "ours now".
The idea that Ukraine is some prosperous society is just a fricking joke. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes. Even fricking Albania is a richer country than Ukraine.
Truth, if big. Ladle some sauce on that?
>Hard Mode: krokodil hallucinations are not sauce
not that guy and I have no clue about this claim
But I've personally learned why you do not do business east of the EU without a local you can count on (for a price).
Short story I was going in to meet with a potential supplier. As per usual my potential supplier had some one waiting at the airport to pick me up. As per un-usual it was a rival producer that had gotten wind of me coming over and had diced that he really had to show me his wares first.
My regular supplier is not in the Czech republic and they are good to me and I'm safe getting into cars with strangers once again.
>business man try to get access to rivals customers
What does this have to do with mafia behaviour? In east europe you have to pay expensive prices as a tourist. You just described shady businessmen you can meet in every country!
>kidnapping someone so you can show them your wares
>is totally normal like in poland is custom to beat pat costumor on head so sign papers
yes totally legit business move kidnapping and intimidating potential costumers
I was lucky I know people that matter enough to get me out that time. Still cost me a bloody nuisance to pay back that favor.
Sounds like your dick is too small to be investing in eastern Europe. I'm guessing middle eastern or Indian spending dads stolen wealth?
>if you get kidnapped you are small kick and shitskin
dude take the L Ukraine is not on the same level as the rest of Europe, or most of the world really, yet.
They need a lot of opening up and reform.
Ukraine is a bit of a trap because they present them selves and are propped up to be in essence western. So you make assumptions based on that, investment and safety wise.
When you go to Africa you take bodyguards as a given. But you'd assume you wouldn't need them in a "western" country.
And yes I do spend daddies money. And I'm proud of keeping the family business in the family and growing it.
It's a legitimate concern friend anon. but I think Ukraine will really clean that stuff up over the next few years. As you've probably heard, the country is crawling with CIA glowies and after all the help we've given them, the US will probably pretty much own it for the foreseeable future. That will likely entail big crackdowns on corruption and mafia shit that US intelligence gets wind of.
Keep in mind, numerous police agencies are in Ukraine right now helping with the forensics for war crimes, particularly Scotland Yard, whatever France uses as the equivalent (and they have a very high rep in the world), the U.S. FBI working with the U.S. State Dept, the Netherlands, Poland, Germany, Sweden that I can remember. Maybe Japan, too? As of last week they have officially documented about 15,000 individual war crimes and crime scenes and are advising, training, and leading investigations. The Ukrainian police force is going to have one of the most experienced and trained teams in place in the world, something the EU is specifically encouraging and supporting so as to speed up reforms for Ukraine's entry into the EU.
It's sort of an informal International Marshal Plan for law enforcement that many countries are cooperating on under the general blanket of aid, humanitarian aid, and criminal investigation. While it's obviously targeted at Russian war crimes ... which will be vigorously pursued for decades to come beyond levels applied toward tracking down WWII Nazi war criminals ... just as obviously it's an intense effort to reform Ukrainian law enforcement and attempt to bring it to, and possibly exceed, modern Western standards. You can bet hard currency that anti-corruption is going to get intense scrutiny and training.
m8 ukraine isn't going to exist (at least in its current form) in a few years
Neither will Russia.
EU has bought over 40 billion dollars worth of energy from Russia since the war started m8. Russia is going nowhere.
Wars cost hundreds of billions to trillions, fool.
And? It’s only been 4 months and the EU has already bought 40 billion dollars worth from Russia. It’s not even winter yet lmao. And EU isn’t even their only customer. Remember China and India have signed contracts with Russia to buy their energy for the next FOURTY YEARS
Oh yeah, not to mention much of that Russian energy sold to the EU flows through pipelines that run through Ukraine. Imagine being forced to facilitate trade on your own land by your allies between them and your invader lmao
Fricking jannies
meds
>he doesn't know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druzhba_pipeline
Shut the frick up, vatnigg
bro, even right now Ukraine still buys the majority of its energy from Russia. this isn't some little-known fact, this is well-known.
>Remember China and India have signed contracts with Russia to buy their energy for the next FOURTY YEARS
At how much of a discounted price? Show me the contract.
And by 2023 they won‘t buy anything .Do vatniks not understand long term consequences ?
Russians are genetically incapable of object permanence. This also prevents them from comprehending what it's like for human beings who do possess it.
Yeah instead they'll buy that exact same russian oil/gas from chinese/indian merchants, for a small markup 😉
> long term contracts
Penalties for breaking the contracts would be even worse.
> The argument for an independent republic is that Siberia makes up 77% of Russian territory (13.1 million square kilometers) which includes 40 million people. Western Siberia has rich oil and gas reserves, but the taxes go directly to Moscow. Getting extraction companies to pay taxes in the regions where they operate would benefit Siberia.
this. sanctions harm Europe more than they harm Russia. they will be forced to remove most sanctions and stop sending weapons to Ukraine or they will suffer heavy economic recession.
this. i am from england it is past time we stop sending to weapons to those bloody benchod in ukraine i call upon england president BORIS JOHNSON to stop sending the weapon in ukraine
>haha le funny london oblast meme
meanwhile in reality Ukraine and EU still buys most of their fuel and energy from Russia even while being "at war" with them
If by most you mean 10% in case of Germany, then yes.
>we didnt NEED to not freeze to death in the winter
>Europe needs gas and can't simply replace it
>Russia doesn't need money as the country functions on pure belief in the Führer
Ok
m8 look at your own chart.
the supply of US LNG hasn't gone up since the start of the year. the euros just have less fuel now. their gas reserves are sub 20% of their needed level right now
The reserves are actually bang on average, M8
Stop lying
That's 40km from their border. Did the Russians achieve any territorial gains outside the supply range of their own borders?
If the answer is No, which it is, that gives you an estimate on how well they will perform in the future.
Russia can't operate offensively, more than 60km from it's border. That's their limit as they wait for the west to send equipment from 2015 against their equipment from 1965.
so?
Russia could sustain this war for years with those money. Time is not on Ukraine side
maybe that 40bn will reverse your brain drain, fix your glonass, resolve your organisational issues, resurrect your generals and colonels, and increase your kalibr production beyond 1-2/mo.
Russia has enough manpower, Ukraine does not.
>We'll just send wave after wave of our own men into the meatgrinder.
>Eventually the Ukies will grow tired of killing them and then we got them where we need them.
>We have enough. We just have enough. We have enough. We have plenty. We are stronk.
Check out the pic, the reserves are as full as they where in 2021, more than in 2020. Natgas is about 10% of the energy mix Germany uses. They will shut down some energy intensive industry over the winter and reduce heating from mandatory 21°C to 18°C for Fernwärme.
That is if we wouldn't be able to procure any natgas somewhere else or restart coal.
The leaders tell you you got Europe by the balls, but that isn't the case. It's nothing but an inconvenience, once the new LNG terminals are built it's not even that.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Gasspeicher-in-Deutschland-So-steht-es-um-die-Fuellstaende,gasspeicher120.html
I heard Russia is winning in two weeks, is that true?
alright
>Russia could sustain this war for years with those money
really? where they will buy tanks, ammo, planes, drones, smerches, etc. that they constantly need, what about troops, where are they going to buy more of them?
they have enough
is this why they are sending T-62 to front lines and pulling artillery shells out of Belarus?
The Russian leadership agrees with you and probably just ignores all criticism in their strategy. Which is why they stalled 40km from their own border and will lose the war.
they are making progress everyday. lysychansk is now fully under their control
we expected you to take kyiv in one day, and here you are celebrating that it took 140x as long to take some place that i assumed had already been under russian control since 2014
I try not to call people vatnigs but cmon man. Even if Russia manages to hold on to all its taken the rest of Ukraine is still going to be around, there is no way no how Russia can capture any more of the country than it has, not the way things have been going recently.
and? ukraine has lost a quarter of its population and 100% of its oil/gas reserves, and a big chunk of its arable land.
ukraine, at least as a european economic force, is done. it's at best going to be a polish rump state held up entirely by EU gibs.
Actually IIRC a lot of its unexploited gas fields were in the Kharkiv region, which Ukraine has either retaken or will retake soon. Losing Donbabwe is tough but if it's retaken Karkiv it's not totally crippled.
i've been hearing that the UA is just days away from retaking Kharkiv for two months now
The Ukrainians retook Kharkiv city. Russians are in the border areas
They never lost it. It was blocked for a brief moment. Not even encircled.
Russia never took kharkiv
I think you're mixing it up with Kherson.
>100% of its oil/gas reserves
lmfao wut?
you sound tearful
not being a russhit colony does wonders for the economy, even better than having petrol or gas. Poland was even poorer than Ukraine, and now it is a significant economy in Europe.
> numerous police agencies are in Ukraine right now helping with the forensics for war crimes,
I'm hoping Ukrainians can pull some Armenian style shenanigans in the future.
>You can bet hard currency that anti-corruption is going to get intense scrutiny and training.
i wish they'd do this in the UK too
anon, who the frick do you think is behind all this corruption in the first place? did you miss trump's impeachment trial? all those billions the state department 'can't account for' in ukraine? all that federal money going to soros orgs in fricking ukraine? one thing the cia absolutely does not do is clean up corruption. how fricking high are you right now you blatant, blatant glowBlack person.
i never thought i would see the day when some fricking idiot thought they could come to /k/ and state without trollface that the cia cleans up corruption. holy fricking balls, my sides.
>anon, who the frick do you think is behind all this corruption in the first place?
Russians? I mean they literally pulled criminals out of jail, like Yanukovich, to push them into politics. And almost everyone in his party was like that, corrupt criminal propped by Russia
What were they criminals of? Because if it's "threat to the state" type shit I can see why.
>What were they criminals of?
petty crimes, racketeering, falsifying elections, selling state properties, pyramid schemes, etc.
Yanukovich himself was serving for mugging.
>m-m-muh russians
you're right dude, everyone in ukraine who isn't russian (and good luck with that) is a paragon of virtue and the networth of ukrainian actor is that much because he's a scrupulous saver. all that state money was totally going to orphanges and it would have worked if it wasn't for those damned russians! under the bed plotting against hilary again, that's why she lost! and of course, once the cia finally get into ukraine (euromaidan was totally organic) they'll tackle crime and corruption like the pure-hearted g-men they really are!
you must go back.
find & replace with russian puppets
You've asked who's behind most of corruption. I've pointed out that pro-Russian parties, propped up by Russia, was full of criminals like Yanukovich and all of them were corrupt. Hence Russia is behind majority of corruption. Am I wrong?
While I do trust Zelenskyy more just because he fiercely resisted the Russian hordes (unlike the Crimean general who sold out his region to Putin), it should be noted that Zelenskyy himself IS RUSSIAN.
At least ethnically and limguistically. His first language is Russian and he is considered to have a Russian accent when speaking Ukrainian - something he rarely did before becoming president
A lot of Russian-Ukrainians oppose the invasion. Hell a considerable number of them have sworn off speaking the Russian language and are now trying to master Ukrainian, as a "frick you" to the invaders.
>it should be noted that Zelenskyy himself IS RUSSIAN. At least ethnically and limguistically.
He's israeli.
lots of israelites in russia. lots of russian israelites in the world - 20% of israelites in israel are russian israelites.
Ethnicity, nationality and language aren't the same thing. Ashkenazi israelites aren't ethnically German despite the word "ashkenazi" just meaning "German".
this has backfired on you like a russian grad
Are you fricking moronic?
I don't understand what that has to do with anything
The irony of Russia's invasion is that it has provided the genesis of a new nationalism that transcends the traditional divide between ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians in the country.
When everyone is getting blown up together, it's a little bit more difficult to quarrel about other things. It's much easier to get pissed at the country invading you.
>one thing the cia absolutely does not do is clean up corruption.
Fair enough, but they do have an interest in keeping the shady shit they proliferate under the table and out of the way of businessmen. When I said 'clean up corruption' I meant the sort of overt mafia stuff that makes people reluctant to invest. For all I know the CIA might do another MKultra over there or make those biolabs real or something, but I'm just saiyan they will almost certainly make Ukraine more business friendly than it was before.
> they do have an interest in keeping the shady shit they proliferate under the table and out of the way of businessmen.
Lmao dis homie really been asleep for the past 8 years. Google “Burisma Biden” kthxbye
>*somebody* needs a timeout in /x/
Go be a Qtard in /misc/.
You're throwing daddie's money at Ukrainians like some shark wannabe because, unlike him, you lack actual business acumen. If I were Ukrainian I'd just ransom you back to him lol.
Hungarian here, I visited Ukraine regularly before the war and it is indeed a corrupt shithole. But if Ukraine is the noose that we can strangle Russia with, they have all my support
>t. learned about Ukraine via post-2014 RT articles
>The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago. That is how fricking change of business property occurs all the time in Ukraine, your goons walk in with guns and say "ours now".
bruh this is literally what russia did to ukraine in 2014 with the LPR, DPR and Crimea
I guess the stereotype of "russians always accuse others of what they themselves are doing" rings true yet again, pic semi related
>Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes.
Pretty interesting how out of the post-USSR shitholes the ones that maintained closest ties to Russia tend to also be the ones that are shittiest.
>The idea that Ukraine is some prosperous society is just a fricking joke. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are all complete and absolute fricking shitholes
Well, they are trying to leave Russia's sphere for a reason.
Indeed. It sucks in Ukraine. That's why they are trying to improve.
strange how the closer you are to Russia, the shittier people live.Makes you think.
I hope Ukrainians can persevere in edifying their nation in the face of their violent redneck neighbor
Black person, do you even try?
Europe can be 'blockaded' for both fuel and food without Ukraine available, and America otherwise occupied or neutralized. Broken clocks are right twice a day, regardless of Biden, Pelosi, & Kerry's sons (among others) being balls deep in daylight robbery corruption there -- Why is Hunter seen in pics with Chinese prostitutes on business trips 'for the big guy' there? Action would be required, if only to demonstrate their leverage on these 5th column goblins was moot.
Orange man lost. Get over it. Contact the Kremlin for new talking points, those have already been exposed and debunked many times over.
ukraine was improving a lot since they threw out the russian puppet gov. of course, the war has buggered that up.
>The fricking Kyiv hotel all the Journalists were staying at was just completely overrun and forcibly taken over through arms by a rival mafia cartel a few weeks ago
No wonder, a lot of the people there identify as russians. If they all leave (or get assimilated) - crime and corruption in Ukraine will decrease significantly.
>country under russia's sphere of influence for decades is a shithole
>you dont say?
not under Russia's influence since 2013
It has also started to become slightly less of a complete shithole since 2013. Quite a weird coincidence, I must say.
Ukraine has been on a consistent upward trajectory whilst Russia funnels an absurd proportion of its GDP into the foreign accounts of its oligarchs as the quality of life for the average Russian circles the drain and Ukraine would have been a far more prosperous state than Russia if Russia had simply not used the LGM to frick up the east of Ukraine and then have stolen Crimea.
same as it was average GDP growth rate 2011-2020 is -0.4
Russia only invaded Crimea in 2014.
cope
Crimea was part of ukraine in 2014 and russian troops participated in the civil war as well
come on, Russian troops were involved in donbass and that's the only reason it still exists in 2022
It's amazing how conveniently little green vatBlack folk running around shooting down civilian aircraft with Russian weapons platforms is "forgotten" in these shillbot spamfests. It's like vodka Black folk have no sense of object permanence and therefore assume nobody else has access to basic memory functions or an Internet search engine.
>It's like vodka Black folk have no sense of object permanence and therefore assume nobody else has access to basic memory functions or an Internet search engine.
That's exactly what they think, or at least until proven otherwise. In the early days of the invasion they tried to claim that Ukraine really did do a terrorist attack that they were just retaliating against a la 9/11, but that the information was wiped from the Internet, lol
Ukraine doesn't have hundreds of billions of dollars of "free money".
Ukraine isn't trying to pull other countries into its sphere of influence.
With vatniks history being what it is. No. Neighbors wont side with vatniks even if they are doing relatively well off compared to their average. Simply because everyone knows that the same aggressive ape is still in there.
Also spheres of influence are fricking cringe and completely redundant generally, specially when it comes to vatniks. The latter have only been able to "influence" anybody near it with sheer terror and violence to enslave said neighbors and never had an ounce of any soft pull.
Same goes for wumaos- just because they are doing economically well off does not mean the likes of Vietnam or Taiwan or S.Korea or Japan are rushing to befriend them. Simply because of history everyone around them knows what obnoxious c**ts they are.
If anyone in modern history has claim for sphere of influence it is burgers. Thing is the majority of it has come from a combo of hard and soft power AND not trying to fricking enslave everyone they think they an ounce of advantage over. Even after failed nation building in Middle East or ideological moronation like woketards they still are exerting more influence over other nations then other wannabe superpowers have ever had. Closest in history I can think of is UK straight after the Napoleonic wars.
Russian Influencing
b-b-but what about cuba?
Lol just four HIMARS bad boys make vatnigs seethe.
Imagine what can made 500, obliterated rushitia in one discharge.
This seems like a troll but wildly funny that Russia invades Ukraine to the point where it’s arguably total war on the side of Ukraine, and then get mad and say any attacks in Russia are an escalation. They really are the big moronic kid we all grew up with.
They have even less sense of accountability than white American women.
It’s not the woman’s fault you’re fat and ugly anon.
I am indeed fat and ugly, but I'm also a gay so it doesn't affect me. Guys will frick anything.
I keep seeing them as BLM nigs. Same exact MO, antagonize and threaten everybody around you constantly, do everything you can to frick everybody else's shit up, go out and destroy and steal somebody else's stuff, and then scream that you're being oppressed when somebody retaliates and threaten to destroy everything including yourself if they try to stop your rampage.
Where do you think the left learned it from, anon? Yuri laid this out in detail in his interview.
Patton was right about russians.
Russia needs to be annihilated. Every Russian east of Kaliningrad and west of Vladivostok needs to be killed. The entire Russian "culture" must be purged from existence.
Russia is a cancerous wart and it's high ttime it finally got the radiation/chemical/biological treatment it needs.
Melitopol is in Ukraine you mong.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about
Belgorod is barely across the border, and is being used as a massive depot for weapons, soldiers, and fuel being sent into Ukraine. It does not even remotely qualify as "deep inside Russia." It is, however, a fully legitimate military target responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians.
Fun fact: Russian soldiers are raping the shit out of Russian women in Belgorod. Apparently they're practicing for their deployment into Ukraine.
>tell ukraine to stop bombing us, or we war, only we can bomb the ukraine
We don't give a frick, homosexual. You vatBlack folk think you can kill tens of thousands on Ukraine, and then cry when places in r*ssia starts to get hit?
Escalate to what exactly?
Muh nooks seem to be the usual answer. Given the state of the rest of Russia's military I wouldn't be too surprised if half of Vatnik nukes either didn't work or ended up hitting targets in Russia instead.
You are the one that's high on krokodil.
It will probably take some very large provocations for Russia to go to war with NATO because they probably know that the only way that would end would be Russia getting destroyed. If they only used conventional weapons then they'd be destroyed with conventional weapons. If they escalated to nukes then MAD.
>If they escalated to nukes then MAD
If Russia escalates to nukes, it's a NATO ultimatum followed by a conventional dismantling of Russia if Russia does not comply.
If Russia nukes a city, then it's MAD.
we will be fighting russia. plan is to continue bleeding vatBlack folk in ukraine until the time’s right.
Why do wankers still try to use "concern trolling" here when it's so blatantly nonsense?
At least be honest and just call others homosexual-ass NATO israelite-lover for not supporting Russia, its more convincing to boot.
If Russia wastes its nukes on Ukraine, it won't have enough for MAD.
I've been hoping for an escalation since day one but sadly that won't happen
Why's Russia acting so shy? Come and get us.
>why is the west allowing ukraine to use advanced weapons to strike deep into russia? the risk of escalation is too high.
Because Bucha.
Russia can always go home
And return the stolen Ukrainian homes back to their rightful owners. Thieves of other people's property belong in prison.
yes I am Charly Budweiser from Grad Rapids Michigansk and feel this risk too be too high to even fathom, we capitalist peons simply do not understand the psyche of strongman such as Putin
>the risk of escalation is too high.
"invading Poland and Baltics is existential risk we will use nukes"
This is what weak b***h last dying legs COMITERN legacy states say when they have no leverage. Frick around find out.
Melitopol is in Ukraine
>Biden is trying his hardest to get every liberal city in the west nuked to save the west
At last i truly see
Lel
>that fricking cat
Bless you, anon.
someone crop a dozen missiles coming from above the cat heading towards the smoke pile.
>screaming cowboy kat grants +20 missile summon damage and +10 summon amount.
>Come to where the flavour is
>Come to Marlboro country
I don't know what to think of the source, but this just posted:
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2022/07/03/ukraine-rains-missiles-on-russian-military-base-in-melitopol/
Interesting claims:
Ukrainian forces hit a Russian military logistics base with over 30 strikes in the Russian-occupied southern city of Melitopol on Sunday, the city’s exiled mayor said.
A Russian-installed official confirmed that strikes had hit the city.
“At 3 o’clock (0000 GMT) and 5 o’clock (0200 GMT), there were over 30 strikes on a single military base,” Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov, who is currently on Ukraine-controlled territory, said on Telegram.
The military aerial logistics base has been “taken out of action” and other resistance activity caused a Russian armoured train carrying ammunition to derail on Saturday near Melitopol, Fedorov said.
The base was occupied on the second day of Russia’s invasion in February and was being used to store ammunition for heavy Russian weapons, he later said on television.
“They stored and handled the logistics of ammunition for heavy weapons at this base,” he said.
“At present the situation has not calmed down (and) everything is still detonating,” he added.
Russia’s RIA news agency reported that Ukraine had hit the Aviamistechko area of Melitopol where the city’s airport is located, but did not specify what had been hit.
RIA cited local Russian-appointed official Vladimir Rogov as saying that around 16-18 Ukrainian MLRS rockets had hit Melitopol in two strikes at 0300 and 0445 Moscow time (1200 GMT and 0145 GMT).
>Russia’s RIA
I wouldn't post russian propaganda here, they lie either way.
at least they confirmed that hit was on airport
Do a news search right now. RIA is only one source being cited because an official Russian spokesman has confirmed that the base was hit and is non-functioning. There are other sources, including video being posted. "Destroyed" is beginning to look like an accurate assessment.
> "Today the Ukrainian military forces decommissioned one of the Russian military bases."
Ivan Fedorov [mayor of Melitopol] said in a video posted on Telegram messaging.
Shit just got real.
>decommissioned one of the Russian military bases
top kek
>decommissioned
It was an old airbse anyway and i still went home under it's own power.
>decommissioned
>liquidated
>liberated
>pacified
>restored
>solved
Military people like to swap words, in order to avoid a negative connotation. Fricking pussies. Just say kill, not some gay shit like "eliminated" or "neutralized"
>decommissioned one of the Russian military bases
The base returned to Sevastopol under its own power.
Terrible meme tbh
>survelance
To be fair, I doubt Russians are able to comprehend you can effectively hit a target without killing another hundred civilians in a 20km radius.
Vatniks think precision is the province of heretical witchcraft.
That Russian base is just the first to be blasted.
Vatniks talking about, "Oh the Ukrainians only have a handful of HIMARS!" miss the point.
The point is simply that the Ukrainians only have to hit a couple of targets to frick up the Russians' best-laid plans. Since the Russians blew up all the infrastructure in many places they grabbed, they're totally dependent on outside supplies.
>Since the Russians blew up all the infrastructure in many places they grabbed, they're totally dependent on outside supplies.
People really don't think about stuff like this. Go back and look at the effort required by the US Army to get rail operations up and going after they've been subjected to prolonged air attack.
By wrecking fricking everything, it badly slows down Russian operations since now they have to WAIT on everything to arrive. Food, water, medical supplies.
But, all that shit can be blown up in transit. Especially ammo.
All Russian ammo points destroyed by HIMARS? No more Russian advance.
4 launchers or 4 batteries?
yes im glad western media is 100% truthful
>“At present the situation has not calmed down (and) everything is still detonating,” he added.
That pretty much sums up the whole Russian experience
Video posted:
>one hit
It's fricking nothing,
>snigeria
Uhhh sisters…I thought Melitopol was safe
just let ukraine fight russia alone. if ukraine was meant to survive then it would. survival of the fittest.
Black person it cannot survive alone, and the moment it is captured it is going to be used for an offensive against Poland or something, putin doesn't give a shit those are not his people.
just let poland fight russia alone. if poland was meant to survive then it would. survival of the fittest.
Fittest != strongest
If you can get more/better allies, you are more fit to survive.
russia cant fight alone hence why they bring in syrians, chechyans etc
thats a ukrop base burning.
source: aids infested conscript butthole
Even Russian sources say you're full of shit.
No, it's your blown out anal ring still smoking you cucked vatnik wienersucker.
Ukraine could hit a Russian orphanage and it would only make me support them harder, and make me hate Western hippies even more.
I regularly see hardcore rightwingers that stink up the place with pro-life propaganda supporting Ukraine, while lefties and socialists are blubbering about peace and how war is bad and scary and also Ukraine has nazis.
As a pretty staunch left-winger, being forced to praise Elon Musk, Boris Johnson and Duda has been fricking heart-breaking.
>As a pretty staunch left-winger, being forced to praise Elon Musk, Boris Johnson and Duda has been fricking heart-breaking.
Yeah, but these people are still c**ts - they just happen to be opposing genocide at the moment but their bullshit otherwise isn't forgotten or excused.
It’s a shame full guerrilla warfare is gone in this and it’s all modern now cuz those fields are PERFECT for an American Revolution style pop out of the wheat and focus on the officer ambush.
Guerilla warfare is happening all through Eastern Ukraine. Partisans in Melitopol derailed a train carrying Russian armor yesterday
It's only going to ramp up. All those enraged fleeing civilians are going to want revenge. They literally have NOTHING to go back for now, except Russian blood.
I hope that's true, I hope the losses are heavy, with little equipment surviving, and all the personnel that want to be there destroyed
it’s strange how vatnik suffering makes me happy.
Those poor russian child soldiers...
they aren't poor, they're getting paid like 8 bucks a day, which is a respectable salary.
Reminder that by now Germany had conquered most of Europe.
What's the next step of his master plan?
Ukraine needs to send a clear message to the occupied territories that no amount of Russian firewalling can stop.
>"You Russian occupiers are safe nowhere."
Blast the military targets to pieces.
>'Melitopol aerodrome, as a military base of russians, doesn't exist anymore,' - legitimate mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov
Looking forward to the aftermath footage
Partisans have been up flyers in Melitopol identifying collaborationists
>Going after literal admin workers who are just trying to feed their families
Cuckies are the worst
>they were only selling out people
>APU is close
he comin
Video of the melitopol strike
https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1543411881779527680
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1543673374211248128
The smooker got a new job in Moscow.
New HIMARS action, this time in Torez, too lazy to reupload
The Ukrainians should exploit their ability to competently maneuver, akin to the Shenandoah Valley Campaign where the CSA ran circles around the Union forces.
Keep exhausting the Russians by repositioning. And get the HIMARS into attacking range. Start blowing up the Russian occupiers from afar, especially whenever the Vatniks try to give chase.
>Kiev
>40km
it doesn't matter. Donbas is under Russian control now and it will cost Ukraine a lot of soldier and weapons to take back the region. the West doesn't have the necessary political will to support Ukraine forever. EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions. They can't function without Russia. and that is not counting China and India need for Russian natural resources
Russia doesn't need the world. the world needs Russia.
rofl
>it doesn't matter. Donbas is under Russian control now
half of donetsk is still in their hands, you're gonna need another 2-3 months getting that under control and even then, both ukraine and the west arent planning to stop anytime soon just because you took the donbass
>it will cost Ukraine a lot of soldier and weapons to take back the region
probably, but so did russia
>the West doesn't have the necessary political will to support Ukraine forever.
the military support isnt slowing down anytime soon
>EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions
so does russia, why do you think they sell so much gas into europe in particular?, what about your own domestic economy?
>They can't function without Russia.
all you are doing is further accelerating the independency away from russian energy, what happens to your dominant market share?
>and that is not counting China and India need for Russian natural resources
they still have nowhere near the amount of pipelines and capacity as is in europe, why do you think they are so interested in maintaining dominance in the market supply in europe that they invaded ukraine for it?
>EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions
Learn some economics.
>EU is having a heavy economic recession now because of sanctions
Lol, EU is fine. Current discussion is about raising interest rates by 0,75% instead of 0,5%, maybe preparing for a slight recession, finding new gas suppliers and sharing gas storage sites.
Meanwhile, Russia is headed for a pre-industrial economy.
Russia doesn't need cars, money or machines. Russia only needs complete faith in the leader and loyalty to his cause.
steel cased ammo can be superior in every way except reloading and sealing. it can handle stupidly high pressures, it can be lighter by a large margin, more durable and able to be used in more violent actions, cheaper after mass production. the problem is no one is using these advantages (except cheapness) and the only people who make steel cased ammo are cheap shits who make poor quality everything. Steel can easily be the best, but as of now no one is using it for or capitalizing on it's inherit advantages.