>Two large countries in a stalemate conflict. >Both have strong, yet somewhat obsolete AA systems/network

>Two large countries in a stalemate conflict
>Both have strong, yet somewhat obsolete AA systems/network
>Thus, airforce is almost absent from the conflict with exception of sporadical standoff weapon strike sorties and helis
>One side gets 60 of these badboys along with sufficient maintance crews and ample amounts of ammo
>Badboys are further supported by awacs and western intel

How much of an impact can 60 such planes make?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not much. You still need to have boots on the ground and actual people assaulting the trenches. No airforce can do that for you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can you not bomb the trenches until they are really big trenches?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Not much. You still need to have boots on the ground and actual people assaulting the trenches. No airforce can do that for you
      soldiers need to eat and need ammunition, loose the air and your logistics is over

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/v5hcpvJ.jpg

      >Two large countries in a stalemate conflict
      >Both have strong, yet somewhat obsolete AA systems/network
      >Thus, airforce is almost absent from the conflict with exception of sporadical standoff weapon strike sorties and helis
      >One side gets 60 of these badboys along with sufficient maintance crews and ample amounts of ammo
      >Badboys are further supported by awacs and western intel

      How much of an impact can 60 such planes make?

      Obsolete thoughts.

      Boots on the ground become the social media and psyops fed to the population over the phones.

      Delete the hostile government through precision strikes, delete all opposing voices. Humiliate previous administration and show how they wronged the domestic population, how much they stole from them, how much they can now have that they are gone. Ask the locals to report gang activity and people who want to become the new "parasite class". Proceed to delete those too. Just keep fricking air striking.

      It doesn't matter if you ever hold the land, so long as the opfor can't get back up again and is too busy trying to put themselves back together...forever.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This. I don't care about "power vacuums." Bomb those buttholes too until a sane government steps up.

        To support this, setup assassination markets where anonymous cryptocurrency wallets place bets on the time and location of the death of authoritarian leaders. The US does the actual killing by dropping a bomb on the time and location with the highest odds and the anonymous better collects a massive pool of monero. This is financially way cheaper than conventional warfighting, saves lives, and would be assassins only have to risk leaking the whereabouts of dear leader rather than pulling the trigger themselves.

        The US should also be leaning way harder into it's advantage in space and seize the high ground. LEO is vulnerable to ASAT weapons if they can't be fully suppressed, but a geostationary constellation would effectively blockade the entire Earth indefinitely.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love this pic so much. You have no idea how much.
        Godspeed, you dumb little heatseeker.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >boots on the ground
      US won desert storm before setting foot on iraq or kuwait.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you gonna push 60 falcons to do over 1000 sorties/day for half a year?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot as long as they get EWAR, HARM, AMRAAM and plenty of bombs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      With all of these it would have a Massive impact. Massive.

      Without it's best toys? Not so much.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Boy, that sure is a lot of words words words to avoid saying what we all know you're saying, namely:
    >They/Them Ukraine gets 60 F-16s. Your predictions, /K?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the odds that the war ends before Ukraine gets the F-16s? Im reading that there may be peace negotiations soon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Da comrade I heard of this also too on the telegram channels. War over very soon likely. F-16 and Gripen are waste of time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im not a vatnik, it would just be the ultimate blue balling if we don’t get to see them in action

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Much obliged, check incel slave z
        Many peace negotiations the west is hiding

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      peace negotiations have been happening for a long time, they always break down when Russia says they will accept complete Ukrainian disbarment and ceding of territory they don't even control in 'free' referendums and they pinkie promise they won't do this again in 10 years.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the last part is the biggest problem. The insane amount of off ramps that Russia was given to descalate or keep what they had but they just pushed further. Unfortunately they seem to just treat any concession or good will gesture as a sign of weakness, you can see that throughout history with stuff like the time they stole a bunch of US food aid.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Unfortunately they seem to just treat any concession or good will gesture as a sign of weakness
          Yeah, pretty much this, and it's a cultural thing. If you don't constantly try to lie and undermine your opponents (real or perceived), then you are seen as a weak cuck. That's why there's the whole dedovshchina thing, because if you don't assert dominance you are automatically considered dominated. Or, as a Russian anon once said:
          >You either frick men in the ass, or you get fricked in the ass
          >If you don't frick other men in the ass, you are weak
          >If you are weak, you should get fricked in the ass

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russian culture revolves around fricking each other in the ass?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Unironically, yes. Getting fricked in the ass is a proud Russian tradition, popularized by Catherine the Great, which famously got fricked in the ass by a horse.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think "again in 10 years" is pretty absurd to imagine as a real possibility.
        Not because Russia wouldn't want to do it, but because they couldn't do it.

        After fighting with Ukraine for 8 years (due to a chain of events starting with Rurik's ascension in 832 ofc) Russia gambled that it would be profitable to grab Ukraine in a 2 week 'special operation' and then weather the sanctions afterwards, just like they did with Crimea.
        Their plan involved zerg rushing the capital and important cities with airport landings, planned naval landings, and convoys making thunder runs straight down the roads.
        Ukraine was unwilling to believe this would happen and were poorly prepared, border guards were jumping aside in shock as Russian vehicles rolled through.
        And with all these advantages they still lost.
        And got trapped in a disaster with casualties that you can measure in decaChechnyas.

        And they're going to decide it's a good idea again in 10 years?
        Ukraine would spend 10 years turning their border into a mine-infested line of fortifications.
        Meanwhile Russia could what, manufacture replacements for one fifth of the vehicles they had when they tried the first time?
        It's inconceivable unless you just say 'well vatniks are suicidal idiots they won't care that it's insane'.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but there's still two things to take into account - the fact a lot of Ukrainian economy will need fixing and the fact russia would be dumb enough to try this shit again, even if it meant riding into battle on iranian knockoff tanks or Chinese Type 59's.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think iran can even make tanks. Refurbish old t72s sure but probably not make the hulls from scratch. Which wouldn't have been a problem given the massive Soviet stockpiles lying around until Russia burnt them all in Ukraine.
            China on the other hand could probably make tanks from scratch, but I doubt they care much for Russia.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I love how accurate the monke memes ended up.
              "Why did you invade Ukraine? Because NATO was threatening you, right?"
              "No, Ukraine is mine because Boris the Great took over in 1023 AD. Now gib bannana."

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          'well vatniks are suicidal idiots they won't care that it's insane'.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Putin has the ilusión that he is the legendary religious incarnation that will restore Russian empire and beat west forever

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >And they're going to decide it's a good idea again in 10 years?
          They probably would try again after few months in fact, with some paper this pretext that is more of an insult than anything else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i imagine it will be belarus next rather than ukraine again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >they couldn't do it.
          This is true, they already can't do it and they'll probably be weaker in 10 years. However, they can still try and do a lot of damage while they fail.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think "again in 10 years" is pretty absurd to imagine as a real possibility.
        Not because Russia wouldn't want to do it, but because they couldn't do it.

        After fighting with Ukraine for 8 years (due to a chain of events starting with Rurik's ascension in 832 ofc) Russia gambled that it would be profitable to grab Ukraine in a 2 week 'special operation' and then weather the sanctions afterwards, just like they did with Crimea.
        Their plan involved zerg rushing the capital and important cities with airport landings, planned naval landings, and convoys making thunder runs straight down the roads.
        Ukraine was unwilling to believe this would happen and were poorly prepared, border guards were jumping aside in shock as Russian vehicles rolled through.
        And with all these advantages they still lost.
        And got trapped in a disaster with casualties that you can measure in decaChechnyas.

        And they're going to decide it's a good idea again in 10 years?
        Ukraine would spend 10 years turning their border into a mine-infested line of fortifications.
        Meanwhile Russia could what, manufacture replacements for one fifth of the vehicles they had when they tried the first time?
        It's inconceivable unless you just say 'well vatniks are suicidal idiots they won't care that it's insane'.

        Putin might not be alive in 10 years. The political situation in Russia is also extremely difficult for us to guage. There is clearly some discontent at the upper echelons and Putin clearly needs to be able to say he won. It's very difficult to say what would happen if Russia agreed to terms.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's very difficult to say what would happen if Russia agreed to terms.
          Ultranationalists string Putin and his cabinet on a pole.
          What the NATO should be doing is giving them direct support in return for future economic deals because they're the fastest track to getting a Russia willing to play ball with the West that isn't a complete pariah to its neighbours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      0%
      All "peace negotiations" at this stage of the war are nothing more than a bad faith attempt by the Russians to buy themselves some time to catch their breath before resuming the invasion
      The current stated Russian terms (on which they absolutely refuse to compromise in any way) are that Ukraine cede not just Crimea, but also all of the Donbass (including the sections that Russia does not control) and two entire additional oblasts that the Russians have no presence in at all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Da comrade I heard of this also too on the telegram channels. War over very soon likely. F-16 and Gripen are waste of time.

      Ukraine has said multiple times that no peace talks will even be considered unless Russia completely leaves Ukraine, which is obviously not happening. The only truce Russia will accept is one where eastern Ukraine remains theirs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Im reading that
      Why do you glavset roosters keep trying this shit?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely cant wait to see the cope then Ukraine loses a few of them, some people seem to think that western equipment is invincible.
    That being said, I wouldn't want to be a Russian pilot when those things show up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same sorta shit as the tank from the other day. One (1!) tank gets mission killed, and the browns spend the whole day sliding the board like it's a celebration on par with Western Europe being successfully conquered. And anons called it months in advance, before the Leo's even started rolling down south.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, they'll lose a couple, ziggers will flood the board claiming cope also, this is to be expected.
      They're obviously not wunderwaffen but they'll make a massive difference to ukraines ability to wage war - Should have had them a year ago imo.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    THE FRONT IS COLLAPSING AS WE SPEAK!

    JUST THIS PAST 48 HOURS, UKRAINE LOST:

    - Lasotchykne
    - Sieverne
    - Stepove
    - Ton'enkoe
    - Orlivka

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are those names of real villages or just Russian for "Whateverville" and "Nowhereistan"?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    F-16s have been obsolete for over 30 years now. They might be good to bomb the hideouts of terrorists in sandals, but don't think your toys wouldn't get demolished by any actual military. Even F-35s would probably do poorly against Russian AD since its just anultra expensive upgraded F-16

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Da- I mean, yessir, partner. My name is Joe Hamburger from Texas oblast, and the F-16 is no match for the Su-57. Amerikkka should stop all funding to the Ukraine, is waste of money. Yeehaw!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Even F-35s would probably do poorly against Russian AD since its just an ultra expensive upgraded F-16
      Thats some pretty god damn good bait troll here XD

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither side is interested in real peace talks ATM. Ukraine has the US backing them and no important part of the country (Kiev) is in immediate danger so there’s no reason at all for Zelensky to cede anything. Russia is currently winning and hopes it can still wait for the US to lose interest so there’s no major pressure for Putin have talks either. That’s why the UN reported that neither side is interested in real negotiations; it’s not that they literally don’t want to talk, they’ll always talk, it’s that neither will cede anything significant to the other.

    In its current trajectory, geopolitics will probably land on Russia’s favor if current US political mood trends remain — because when the US reduces support, Europe stops supporting Ukraine too. It’s a team effort, but the US is very much the team captain and if the captain doesn’t push everyone forward no one will move. If support dies up, Ukraine will have a financial collapse which will cause a military collapse as leadership at various levels bail out. There’ll be a regime change and Russia will basically dictate terms. If the US political climate shifts back towards support, they will push through European support packages too, and together Ukraine should be able to hang on for some time — they have a manpower crisis but, if support continues to come in, I believe they’ll just implement a draft no matter how unpopular if it comes to that. Ukraine probably can’t win militarily without MASSIVE increases in material support, but with major financial support they can stay afloat long enough for sanctions to finally bleed out Russia’s currency reserves + energy income. Once Russia can’t afford to keep paying cash for the war, the war will just end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is currently winning
      What, the Cope Olympics?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >geopolitically
        Convinced the US political elite and public to drop military and economic support. Is currently successfully disrupting unified european response and largely creating a massive divide between the EU states. The latter might result in various hawkish european governments to be toppled in the coming months as populations are terrified of open war with Russia.
        >militarily
        Established stable logistics and ammunition supply. Routed the ukrainian army from Donetsk after breaking through the fortification that was built up for ten whole years under NATO supervision. Established production of PGM's through which steady air superiority is being established. More or less depleted the ukrainian human reserves through attrition warfare while maintaining good K:D ratio during offensive operations. Is putting sufficient pressure on the enemy that the talks about imminent collapse are reaching the point where NATO boots on the ground are perceived as the only viable way to prevent total Russian victory.
        >cope olympics
        Now this is where Russia cannot compete.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Any help for Ukraine is good but one thing has been bugging me since the start of all this shitshow. Why do Western leaders act like this war started in February 2022 and not when Russia annexed Crimea. All this military and financial aid should've started way back in 2015 or 2016 during Obama. The war just rapidly increased in intensity two years ago and there were Russian troops in Ukraine way way back before that. I guess people naively thought that things would calm down over the years. Things like these should not be done half-assed and left to chance. You either go all in or don't do it at all. The only way now for this entire shitshow to end is for major Western countries to put boots on the ground and do another Desert Storm.
    > but muh nooks
    How many times did monke threaten to use nukes? I've lost count. Is the West gonna cuck out every time some Russian officials screams "nook nook"? Besides, the new coalition forces only need to drive the Russians out of Ukraine. The only real solution to this problem is a radical one. Constantly hesitating and doing things half-assed will get you nowhere.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Obama
      You said it yourself.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Without any wild weasel shenanigans the effectiveness will be poor compared to it's potential of butt-fricking the ziggers back to Moscow.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Ukraine just make their own stealth planes?
    >it's hard
    Computers are very good these days and Ukraine has lots of very smart people. I'm sure they could whip something together.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they're currently providing some assistance towards the development of that new roach jet

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How much of an impact can 60 such planes make?
    Depends on the skill of the pilots and how you use them. Could be a game changer or could have almost no effect at all.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are only going to use the F16's to lob JDAMS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, they'll be doing plenty of HARM launches, as well as chasing cruise missiles/drones all over the country..

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As an American, I can honestly admit that my resolve to provide support for the war in Ukraine was weakening, but something about the latest uptick in ruskoid web brigade shitposting has reignited the fire in me for absolute Atlantic Empire hegemonic dominion and I now believe we should fully commit to spending the entirety of our stocks of weaponry to inflict maximum casualties on Russian forces, and ramp up our MIC to replace all that equipment with the latest and greatest.

    Its time to see true Western glory again lads. Push that aid package through God damnit, write your senators, let it be known we will not get dragged down into contrarian shit slinging and our resolve is strong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Support should never weaken, it's a war against Western, and thus by extension, American hegemony. Global South getting full of themselves, thinking they can take America's place on the global chess, or at least disrupt it enough, that would be sufficient. And everything is linked to Russia, really. It's now obvious Russians are the ones being behind the recent global tensions. Middle-east is so obvious I don't even have to expand on it, but also, suddenly, coincidentally, North Korea showing its teeth by firing artillery near South Korean islands (thus reducing SK's shells promises for Ukraine), the same North Korea sending again missiles near Japan, Iran stirring shit with Pakistan, on top of everything else it's doing through its proxies, Houthis come to mind. And I don't even want to delve into the shitshow that is Africa and Russian involvement, but I'll definitely eat popcorn while seeing them starve (again).
      Russia is trying to throw Western hegemony, and it very well could if Ukraine falls. It means it's free happy hour for the South thirdies to try shit everywhere. China first. And a weakened Western hegemony means a weakened America, even the Dollar itself could be threatened.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not much and even less if ukrainian pilots will be flying them. If they don't send american pilots to fly them, they will drop like flies. Pilots are completely worthless after 6 months of basic training. They need to fly with experienced squads for years to practice proper tactics.
    This will be another massive disappointment of a "superweapon" moment.

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