Hamas allegedly has 500km of tunnels underneath Gaza. Most is probably interconnected.
Why not pump water from the Mediterranean into the tunnels?
10 strong water pumps working full time, you can fill 500km of tunnels full of water in under a week, easily.
Find an opening, start pumping water until it overflows, seal with concrete, repeat.
What am I missing?
Water? that's not even fun. Pump blackwater.
Too expensive to fill that many tunnels with mercs, anon.
We tried pumping tunnels full of water in Vietnam. It didn’t work because the tunnels had multiple ways to seal off.
Tried that Vietnam too. Didn’t work. >hamas initial attack fails to actually accomplish any strategic goals
Their goal was to stop dealings between Saudi Arabia and Israel. They succeeded since the israelites couldn’t hold their chill for a moment and went hog wild with bombing Gaza, now Saudi Arabia doesn’t want anything to do with them.
>now Saudi Arabia doesn’t want anything to do with them
You think those fucking saudi princes give a shit about Gazans? LMAO.
They just don't want to look like they don't care. The deal is delayed at best, probably not even for a year. Thousands of Hamas fags gave their lives for nothing, lol.
The entire organization will be destroyed over this and have zip to show for it.
>Thousands of Hamas fags gave their lives for nothing, lol.
Well, yeah. I feel sorry for some of them who are being interrogated by the Israelis. They're mostly just young guys who were treated as disposable tools, and some of them were saying that: they tricked us, left us out there, and naming the leaders who are living in Turkey and Qatar. It's interrogation stuff so it's not the most reliable information but it seems true enough to me.
Funnily enough most arabs living in Israel want to stay in Israel as israeli citizens, I wonder why they wouldn't like to join military junta, absolutist monarchic or fundamentalist theocratic states.
>unicameral legislature
>democracy
>Alternatives are Hamas, Al-Assad, the Taliban, the Ayatollah or the Saudi family
Could you repeat that?
You are completely delusional if you think Saudis don’t secretly want to exterminate the israelites occupying their Prophet’s conquered holy land.
Their populace is responsible for 9/11 and Wahhabism, they have reestablished relations with Iran and work in concert with Russia to affect Oil prices. The Saudis are the true israelites of the Middle East, they only want an Israel deal so they can get Western Nuclear Reactors for “Peace and Research”.
They didn't give their life for nothing. They gave their life to continue the status quo war that the people in power in both Isreal and Palestine benefit from.
serious question.
If a nation has universal conscription, and an enemy army kills a bunch of conscripts how is that a naughty thing? i saw a bunch of videos of women taken prisoner. but they are all in their early 20s? so they are all soldiers or reservists. how is killing cap soliders even bad?
>They succeeded since the israelites couldn’t hold their chill for a moment and went hog wild
They suffered a massive PR loss too. A ton of people i listen to were revealed as massive pro censorship shills. Especially ones that have been agitating against cancel culture for years. I dont listen to them anymore. My position on the whole conflict has done a 180. Watching people get fired because they say people trapped in a prison and getting JDAMed is bad was actually disgusting.
yep
The difference is that china has enough power to act despite popular opinion. israel is almost totally dependent on foreign aid for their power.
>israel is almost totally dependent on foreign aid for their power.
The aid from the U.S. helps for sure but Israel is a rich, technologically advanced country, and it's not like Israel is the only country in the Middle East that gets U.S. aid and assistance. There's a push from the BDS movement to isolate Israel from the West, but they get their oil from Azerbaijan and the Azeris get these nasty killer drones in exchange. Israel is kind of scary in that sense because their asset is Murder Inc. stuff you just saw and there are plenty of regimes in the world willing to put aside humanitarian concerns, and it's not like the Russian arms industry is doing well right now, and Israel is slotting in there as an alternative.
no us aid = no airforce = no israel
or recapturing the golan heights
if israel entered the war against russia, assuming no nukes are involved - could israel and ukraine together finally stop monkeman
>serious question.
>If a nation has universal conscription, and an enemy army kills a bunch of conscripts how is that a naughty thing? i saw a bunch of videos of women taken prisoner. but they are all in their early 20s? so they are all soldiers or reservists. how is killing cap soliders even bad?
Your/that argument is based on the assumption "once a soldier, always a soldier" which is not how the parts of the world that laid down the rules of war perceived or defined them. You are a soldier while you are enlisted and wearing the uniform - so even in times of war an active member of a countries armed forces can be killed as a civilian if he is off duty and not wearing a uniform.
This definition was meant to protect civilians - everybody not wearing a uniform/insignia and not openly carrying weapons (Geneva conventions added that iirc) is considered a civilian that gets special protections that differ from those that POW have. And if you abuse this, trying to use civilians as protection while carrying out attacks, you get none of the protections and can be shot on the spot.
Hamas and their shills pushing the narrative that "because of mandatory service every Israeli is a soldier, regardless of age, gender and occupation" is the attempt at presenting the killing of 1100 civilians in a barbaric act of terror as a heroic act of war that killed 1400 soldiers on active duty.
But here's the thing: You can't cry about your enemy conducting war crimes for years (even decades), then commit your own war crimes and when the finding out happens insist on fair play. The rules of war (like the Geneva Conventions) are for those that adhere to them. Hamas breaks these rules by using human shields and tactics like shooting at the enemy from civilian infrastructure.
And shit like "they can only be considered as Hamas fighters while they wear their naruto headbands" doesn't work anymore when you try to argue that a conscript will never be a citizen again.
Yep, it’s a muzdog
>multiple ways to seal the tunnels off
So just bomb it once it's full? Water is incompresisble, it should bust any seals, no?
Another bonus is that it lets you discover hidden tunnel entrances since you’ll see water overflowing from random schools and hospitals
>Another bonus is that it lets you discover hidden tunnel entrances since you’ll see water overflowing from random schools and hospitals
Yes, also fairly sure that most of these schools and hospitals have an azov base in there.
Our overlords are doing gods work.
Or just gas em out.
I can't imagine there are any civilians down there and Hamas is a terrorist organization so nobody that matters will be against it.
The west will make a big fuss if they use gas. Plus it’s too expensive, sea water is free
Niggah the amount of pumps needed to fill all those tunnels would be ridiculous and would be easy targets for Hamas. Chlorine and ammonia is pretty cheap to get ahold of
Why would you even need more than 10 industrial pumps? Do the math you don’t need much
500KM of tunnels. Say they are 1.5M X 2.5M on average. 1.875M cubic meters or, 1.875B liters of water. A big 150HP pump can do something like 5.5K liters per minute. Get 10 of them going and it would only take about 3 weeks to fill them to the brim. Use sea water. Undermine the whole geography and the ground supporting the tunnels. Destroy their water supply as well. Salt water would seep into the underground water.
They share an aquifer with Israel. Not exactly a good idea to salinate your own water.
Israel has desalinators.
You can just spray oil and dump paint cans in your yard because you can always dig up and replace the top soil, but why?
That's assuming zero seep which there would be a shit Ton of. And airlocks could complicate it too if they deliberately put high points in the tunnel to trap air
I wonder if we can use those under water rovers and blasting charges.
Or divers and charges i guess.
Just use the water to make exploring the tunnel safe swim in place charges get out and repeat.
Egypt has been destroying Hamas smuggling tunnels for a long time so Hamas probably knows about defensive measures.
They could have watertight doors in places and have no shortage of time to collapse connections to prevent flooding.
Ultimately if you end up having to go basement to basement to secure every tunnel entrance and stick a hose in it for an anti-tunnel plan to work, then you effectively had to deal with the worst the tunnels can offer anyway. The rest is just cleanup.
It's also a civil engineering question how much the water you use to flood will just seep into the desert soil. You might end up having to pump water for months while watching every shoddily constructed building in Gaza tilt over and collapse into a sinkhole.
The Geneva convention has a stick up its ass about asphyxiating with gas but not drowning with water.
>You might end up having to pump water for months while watching every shoddily constructed building in Gaza tilt over and collapse into a sinkhole.
Sounds fucking awesome to me. When do we start?
Just pump more water even if the whole strip gets flushed into the sea
>pump water for months while watching every shoddily constructed building in Gaza tilt over and collapse into a sinkhole.
Win-win scenario.
The irony, a few months ago they had finished a seawater desalination plant, yet the very same people who were going benefit from this project desecrated and bragged about killing not only israelies but also foreigners because "Hamas hasn't given them permission to be there".
How many of the buffoons cheering for TKD ever made a donation to help palestinians or went there to do some voluntary work? All I see is them asking for more destruction and fapping to anime drawings of underage children dressed as intifada fighters.
>anime drawings of underage children dressed as intifada fighters
You wouldn't have any of those would you?
check /misc/ they have more than enough
also nice trips
Which plant got attacked? Google gave me nothing
Not that anon but I believe he's referring to the Southern Gaza Seawater Desalination plant, some sort of UNICEF and EU project. I have no idea about the desecration and such though.
>using your enemies aid against them
Tactical advantage?
I support total Semite death so the self destructive behavior of palistinaggers is only beneficial on my end.
>How many of the buffoons cheering for TKD ever made a donation to help palestinians or went there to do some voluntary work?
Palestinians? What do Palestinians have to do with me wishing TKD?
Well no money can enter Gaza, so there's that. Israel probably handles all cash coming into the West Bank, they take Palestinian wages and take the taxes, why wouldn't they with foreign money?
>How many of the buffoons cheering for TKD ever made a donation to help palestinians or went there to do some voluntary work?
None because they don't give a shit about Palestinians, otherwise they would never fucking shill for Hamas because Hamas
>steals from the Palestinian people (usually foreign aid)
>tyrannizes the Palestinian people by running a de facto one party state and killing anyone who opposes them internally
>actively puts the lives of the Palestinian people in unnecessary jeopardy with perpetual war that they have no realistic ability to actually win
anon, they don't want to win the war, they just want to kill israelites. More dead israelites=better world. Hamas are the good guys here
>It's also a civil engineering question how much the water you use to flood will just seep into the desert soil. You might end up having to pump water for months while watching every shoddily constructed building in Gaza tilt over and collapse into a sinkhole.
Whats the downside it just means it will seep into and fuck up all the other tunnels as well?
Why does it matter if they have watertight doors if they’re entombed? Let them starve or suffocate while they’re sealing themselves in
That's what I meant by:
>if you end up having to go basement to basement to secure every tunnel entrance and stick a hose in it for an anti-tunnel plan to work, then you effectively had to deal with the worst the tunnels can offer anyway
I think OP is imagining something like this where you can drown Hamas or deny them the advantage of using the tunnels in their defense.
Once you own everything above ground of course the mole people aren't a threat.
we need to activate
Coco is so retarded that he found a place among the memes.
We can ask Egypt to do it instead.
water is also heavy it would be far harder to pump out of thier 100 feet deep tunnels and no amount of tunnel venting would help.
Water is a very long term solution to the problem.
100 foot of water would probably break any tunnel seals as well or trap leadership in safe rooms.
Well that or turn the tunnels into israel's septic tank and just dump sweage in there.
you don't have to use a poisonous gas
they need oxygen to breathe
just pump non toxic gas inside
i have one better
israel has found natural gas deposit
so just pump methane in and then create a spark
not feasible for 2 reasons
1st is there's too many air vents to realistically get effective coverage, and plugging said air vents with be a herculean task to locate and cover them and at that point your wasting your time, and if hamas is smart then they have mask for just this occurrence in mind
2nd it is a warcrime to use chemical weapon, and one that would cause too much international backlash for isreal to afford.
nope they got to do it the hard way
>Why not pump water from the Mediterranean into the tunnels?
Would cause problems with post-war reconstruction (and yes, there will be reconstruction, even if Gaza is completely depopulated of Palestinians) because now you've just undermined the foundations of quite literally thousands of buildings and Hamas isn't inclined to share their detailed maps with you so you have no way of even knowing where.
>The west will make a big fuss if they use gas
The US unironically regularly employed tear gas and smoke generators on NLF tunnels in Vietnam and no one gave a shit.
>I can't imagine there are any civilians down there
Released hostage implied the hostages are being held in the tunnels.
thats where they keep their hostages retard
>Hamas is a terrorist organisation
Zoomers really are suckers for propaganda. I bet you think this conflict started on the 7th of October, too.
It really is a 911 redux for the zooms. Guess they'll have to see the buzzword get played out for themselves, or discover Deus Ex or something.
And gas the hostages? One of the primary Israeli PR talking points for the continued bombing of Gaza is because Hamas still holds hostages.
Just the diesel mixed in that will be lit on fire once the tunnels are sufficiently flooded. That’s how they cleared the tunnels on Iwo Jima.
how would you ignite the diesel that's sitting on water.
Anon, I…
Fuck Israel, fuck israelites, burn all israelites God bless Hamas
Take a big breath Ahmed, you’re going for a long swim
I am not in Gaza, The hostages and the 1,300+ dead israelites aren't coming back hahaha TOTAL israelite DEATH
So you are just a jarya cheerleading Hamas? 10 dinars have been deposited to you master's bank account, now go back to the kitchen before he beats you for talking to men.
You don't know where I am, but we know one thing my women weren't paraded in public and raped and executed haha
They were not either. That was all israelite propaganda and false flagging to justify their long planned invasion and annexation
In the West, leeching off White people like all you sub-humans do. Not hard to figure out.
nta but I don't support this kind of state
meant for
>I am not in Gaza
yeah that's the problem
Children hospital unironically flew over my house.
Because the tunnels are where they are holding the hostages.
This board is retarded sometimes
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Nothing will happened, Israel doesn't have enough water, the water won't do shit anyway hamas can block the tunnels. It's so over for israelites and all the zionists crying here, Israel never took an L this big hahaha it's just gonna be another Vietnam situation. TKD
So this is the shit you masturbate to outside of BBC and Roody Poo's drinking cow piss?
Throw a bunch of snakes in there
We will take you over, we are the fastest growing religions even in your own countries, we are everywhere and we will keep killing israelites whether be it with missiles or rockets until the dawn of time kek
Your civilization can't even build a decent fucking clock radio.
They keep using the good ones to blow up civvies before they can copy it
Nop, once your migrants reach third/fourth generation they become full western people, they laugh at your mullahs and freedom fighters and see them as retrograde morons left behind and retarded distant parents, even in your own turf people are already getting tired of your bullshit and want something else.
You are not even at the peak of your power but a spur of retardation who can't even properly fight a war.
Shut up tranny homosexual Ukraine is getting fucked just like Israel is gonna be too LOL
lol
https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/arab-youth-survey-religion-too-influential-in-middle-east-say-young-people-1.855341
>Respected scholars said young Muslims were facing a “deep intellectual crisis” which involved them being caught between an increasingly modern and connected world and outdated rules set by conservative scholars.
They are starting to figure out you losers are using them as cannon fodder just like uncle Adolf did back in the day and fucking over their lives with zero actual achievement, but a badly written version of an isekai harem, damn, the nips took the concept and made a far better work than you, no wonder why so many of them flee to the West, you homosexuals can't offer them anything of value but lies and death.
There's a reason the west wanted to import them, and it was to learn to infect them with western ideals through those they assimilate.
Even so it should be fine, like what exactly is Islam doing for the middle east for the last 150years really.
The only thing Islam has been doing is no longer dying to child disease, something precarious given well known arab corruption and periodic book burning, even if you keep or accelerate your current grow rate for the next century you will still be a minority. So all these talks about taking over the western Europe through demographic explosion and uprisings Hamas style is going to be worth nothing.
Besides, you seem to forget on the other side of the ocean US and India will keep growing too and still be predominantly non-muslim.
Shall I remind you haven't been capable to win a real war against an actual motivated enemy? What can you brag about? US leaving Afghanistan after killing all the talibans who still wanted to try some global jihad? The fact no matter you getting funded by US, Russia or your fellow petrostates you are still trash at making an actual functional economy, let alone an army should give you a hint your demographics aren't going to help you, even less as automation keeps advancing worldwide.
The role of Islam in the Arab/Persian world is a cycle where corrupt leaders use Islam with the help of of the imams to buy the loyalty of the citizens (and also exploit foreign workers) in what is still a fairly feudal/tribal society. Then eventually they get so corrupt and ineffective at dealing with disasters / keeping out invasions by foreigners / invasions by other Muslims etc. that the imams break with the rulers and stir up the populace to overthrow them while blaming the problems on the rulers not being pious enough. Then the cycle repeats itself. But it doesn't fundamentally promote the change in the means of production.
And many of those Muslims who migrated to the West failed to assimilate to the modernization so they still preserve the old social structure, but after several generations many change because they're growing up embedded in Western society from birth.
Those are Pakis, hardly even human.
The hoops that you americans jump through to rationalize your loss in afghanistan is... amazing. All of a sudden you become extremely nuanced "Yeah we didn't lose, we just left"
Once people figure out conservatism is the real enemy. you'll see things start changing for the better. The problem is conservatives are going to try to burn down the world before giving up their power, it's why you're seeing a hard backslide into authoritarianism and theocracy.
>authoritarianism and theocracy
If by that you mean a decent respect for the rule of law and not letting homosexuals get anywhere near children, you are correct.
People like you should be beaten until in vegetative states.
Aww, bless your heart Anon. Someone should get you a cape so you can be Super Mad.
That's right turn that cheek boy
>Ukraine is getting fucked just like Israel is gonna be too LOL
>once your migrants reach third/fourth generation they become full western people
France begs to differ
There are whole suburbs in San Jose, CA full of 3rd generation Mexicans that can't speak English. I can't presume that Texas or New Mexico or Arizona or any little country town overrun by the fucking bastards is any different.
>once your migrants reach third/fourth generation they become full western people
no, just no
this is a cope for people that want to live ina positive dream instead of facing that something has to be done
It's funny hearing this from Americans who have no idea what their ancestral history is and just call themselves "white"
this is bullshit because the proof is already in the pudding, sons of 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants always turn back to their roots due to a lack of identity because theyre brown in a white country.
USA
Germany
France
Spain
Nordic countries
its always the same shit with them
Arabs are cursed by Allah to lose every war for eternity. The only war an Arab can ever win is when fighting against another Arab.
We will see about that, even in major western cities people are rallying for Palestine even with the videos of Hamas which are supposed to make them pro Israel it didn't even work. I don't know, I see that as a winning war. Even before this conflict, everyday was hell for Israelis they could randomly be hit by missiles just for living there, and when Hamas attacked they kicked ass on the ground, and now even in the social media and news the narrative is pro Palestine. It's so over for zionists.
>It's so over for zionists.
>hamas initial attack fails to actually accomplish any strategic goals
>all attackers routed, retreat, or killed
Lol I don't really care, as long as israelites die I'm happy. I don't even care if my own die even! There are millions of me in the Arab world and abroad, so long their suffering is continuous Inshallah. HH
>Lol I care so little about it I'm posting on PrepHole to try and rile up da jooz lmao
You're not fooling anyone, habibi. Get a hobby.
You are heavily deluded but I understand where this is coming from. Israel isn't going anywhere.
I became very cynical of the power of social media to win things after the Hong Kong protests. I should've been skeptical of it sooner, but if you thought likes and retweets are like bullets that will win your war, then the PRC shouldn't have won, but it did. Decisively. Mao said something once about where political power comes from, and it was nothing to do with fame or media exposure. People have a habit of losing themselves in the madness of the rapture of the social media moment, like a guy narcissistically looking at his own feed and going "damn I have a lot of followers." I'm betting on technologies like this to win out:
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>when Hamas attacked they kicked ass on the ground
>have a once-in-a-50-year surprise element
>kill a bunch of civilians and get absolutely no strategic value
>get completely demolished the moment an the military steps up
Is this what you consider a victory? No wonder Arabs can't win wars lol. Low IQ Arab.
They didn’t want to take over Israel or destroy a bunch of stuff, they just wanted to make a huge mess.
It's kind of impressive without a military and tanks and a real army not gonna lie, the IDF strongest army my ass LOL. I don't even care if we lost or died your women still got raped and paraded around and your people got taken hostage you'll never take back. israelite HAHA
I'm not an Israeli. I just find it amusing to witness the absolute lack of long term planning Arabs have.
>I don't even care if we lost or died
Of course you do. You care about it so much you're absolutely seething at the mere idea Israel
Cope, infidel.
The actual people who truly cared, geve donations, started projects to help them and tried to convince them to integrate seems to finally grow tired of palis bullshit, they should have stopped Hamas instead of letting them fuck over them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/which-countries-have-sent-aid-to-gaza-so-far
>However, some EU countries – including Germany, Denmark and Sweden – have temporarily suspended their aid to Gaza as a response to the Hamas attacks.
I hope they finally ask themselves if their attitude has ever done something good for them, but I doubt it, their very sense of group hinders their introspection.
>bypassing Hamas
Fucking delusional
That's wild
Since your buddy >59941951 started mentioning trons let's give you an idea of how useful are all these lefty rallies in attached pic.
Not really a good record let me tell you.
No amount of virtue signalling from naive kids is going to compensate for armored divisions and carrier fleets.
99.9% of the people protesting are arabs and they don't matter
arabs are truly worse than ziggers by every metric. a complete waste of oxygen.
>allahu snackbar we will take over the world and drown the planet into a dark age
great fucking work brownie. You're so proud of being a destructive monkey. Like fucking Russians...
don't even pump it, just get a horizontal drill in
just blow it up.
This, just fucking level the place. I'm so fucking tired of homosexuals at the UN crying about dead terrorists JUST FUCKING KILL THEM IT ISN'T FUCKING HARD
>This, just fucking level the place. I'm so fucking tired of homosexuals at the UN crying about dead terrorists JUST FUCKING KILL THEM IT ISN'T FUCKING HARD
the thing is, it isnt terrorism if the israelis have had them under blockade for 14 years. a blockade is an act of war. israel has been waging war on gaza for 14 years. It is not "terrorism" to attack someone that is waging war against you.
>muh civilians
All those people were military age conscripts or reservists. Literally soldiers.
I could got back to the 1880s but i wont.
Palestinians decided to knowingly vote a designated terrorist organization in as their government. They brought this upon themselves.
palestinians voluntarily participated in the oct 7 massacre, hundreds of palis unrelated to hamas just swarmed into israel to rape murder and pillage. not to mention the ones back in gaza and how they celebrated and lynched the hostages or their dead bodies. hamas is only a symptom. the palestinians are all responsible.
You are 100% correct. I was just pointing out why the blockade was put into place to begin with.
You know blockades are acts of war and illegal under international law?
At the very least a hostile act which invokes the right of self defence and resistance.
hamas took over the gaza strip in 2005.
the egyptian and israeli blockade started in 2007 after the hummus started shooting rockets and trying to kidnap people. and they supported the muslim brotherhood in taking down the egyptian regime.
No, Hamas took over in 07. Can you retards please google shit before you say it? Thanks
okay took over january 2006
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2006/1/26/hamas-wins-huge-majority
blockade june 2007
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/3/14/a-guide-to-the-gaza-strip
What's 2021 - 16?
>The Israeli blockade of the occupied Gaza Strip, in its current form, has been in place since June 2007
>in its current form
lmao my dude
>The election for the Palestinian Legislative Council took place on 25 January 2006, and was decisively won by Hamas. The election took place during a full blockade of Gaza.[35][29][36][33][note
2005 is the year the blockade began, give your head a shake and maybe read a little.
You obviously have a reading comprehension issue.
Blockade went up in response to unprovoked rocket attacks.
>inb4 muh occupation
Hamas apologists should be lined up against a wall.
less than half of them voted for Hamas. half the people in gaza weren't even alive during the last election.
Sucks to be them.
It's sucks to be those 1400 dead Israelis too.
I am not israeli nor am I from Israel so your weak retort doesn't rustle my jimmies. So if you want to talk #'s the # of dead in Gaza far exceeds those on the Israel side and will only grow exponentially.
I doubt you have any jimmies if your response to innocent people being killed is "sucks for them"
Muslims are not innocent so fuck em.
Yeah your prejudice and bigotry is apparent but you clearly understand civilians are civilians so I don't know why you have to lie to yourself.
I am 100% prejudiced. Never denied that. Civilians jumped thru the border fence, civilians drug dead israelite bodies through the streets so they are not combatants, they are just terrorist just as you are a terrorist sympathizer.
I don't know what to make of this post riddled with spelling errors.
I think I understand what he is trying to say, possibly because I'm not a retard. Let me translate it for you:
>"I am 100% prejudiced and have never denied not being so. Civilians jumped through the border fence, and civilians drug dead israelites through the streets. They are not combatants, they are terrorists, and you are a terrorist sympathizer."
It took me all of 5 seconds to understand what he was trying to say.
Are you ok retard?
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And I never said I didn't comprehend what he's trying to say. I said I don't know what to make of the post.
There are christian, israeli, and secular Palestinians.
They're practically the same race as like half of Israels.
LMFAOOOOOOO what a fucking midwit
>muslims
>people
There's your problem right there
>wah wah
Anon im literally crying thinking of the poor people starving and being blown to smithereens :*(
Water pumping would be a valid strategy, although it will take time and require a lot of logistics. Isolation and blockade is ideal, but requires knowledge of the exact layout of the tunnels. Collapse sections, use heavy machinery to excavate other parts, and block up entrances with dirt. Break it into sub sections and just wait them out. Tunnels are a defensive tool that allows for safer storage of people and material within YOUR OWN lines. It facilitates defense. But if Isrealis capture the area above a section of tunnel and isolate it it stops being a defensive tool and becomes a tomb. Overwhelming Isreali fires, infantry, a armor all but ensure their success if they choose to simply demolish Gaza block-by-block. Which they will do. And all the brown people and lefty whining won't stop it--not for weeks or months. Other strategies include judicious use of CS gas, lighting fires, blasting tunnels and sections of tunnel, and literally just posting people up on entrances and shooting Hamas when they come out.
Dehumanization is truly the coward's tool.
It's the terrible reality of war. Doubtless there were millions of innocent German and Japanese civilians who hated their governments and wanted no part of their genocidal wars of conquests. Should the Allies have refrained from attacking Germany or Japan to spare them at the expense of their own people?
Even Einsatzgruppen frequently broke down and balled their eyes out, turned to alcohol and drugs, or killed themselves. Turns out most people, normal people brought up in healthy environments, are pretty adverse to killing innocent people no matter how many times you try and tell them the person in question is a rat or a dog. Even Eichmann standing in front of the israelite pits had to pause and steady himself. The eyes can rarely lie, nor does the soul usually let a lie slip by. You don't sound tough or cool when all you are right now are edgy words on a screen.
You didn't answer the question. It's a serious question. Do you think there is no such thing as a just war or necessary self defense? Should the Brits have surrendered in 1941 to avoid killing civilians?
This is the question you seriously want answered? No, we shouldn't have refrained from attacking Germany or Japan but at the same time there's no reason to delude yourself into thinking the Japanese were fleas or monkeys. You referred to human beings as non-human.
>You referred to human beings as non-human.
guarantee you have said nagger at least once on this board lmao
im not watching that retard
It's a good movie
Based D-Fens reference lol. That guy is a joke and a tourist for not recognizing that
>You referred to human beings as non-human.
No I didn't.
Then why are you even responding to both of those posts?
Because most people handwringing about Palestinian civilians don't give a shit about Israeli civilians and try to take some kind of moral high road in an attempt to justify Hamas's genocidal mania and indiscriminate attacks on civilians.
why the fuck should i even care about palestinian civilians? what does palestine provide to the fucking world?
In general I just have lower amounts of empathy for an agressor.
Far as im concerned they they sowed the wind are reaping the whirlwind.
alright cool
now meanwhile in reality where geopolitical ramifications matter...
Okay?
>don't give a shit about Israeli civilians
There are antisemitic nutcases but most people just see the conflict with any context, and realize there is literally never going to be an end to the conflict, if both sides just keep pushing their advantage until they eventually don't have it anymore.
Eventually, one side that has the upper hand needs to be the bigger man, accpet the losses, and make peace anyway, and build functional relationships with all its neighbors in the region. Right now, that side is Israel.
When we in the US bomb other countries, we get to fly back home, half a world away. You have to live next to each other, now and forever; unless you believe Israel can last long enough in the status quo to kill every arab. And I wouldn't assume enlternal support of the west either. The US sacrifices a lot for its support of Israel. I'm not talking about aid money; that's a drop in the bucket of our national budget. But we sacrifice relations with powerful, resource rich countries in the region; on the tenuous grounds that we're more akin with Israel ideologically and culturally. And because we happen to have some people in high places with an affinity for Israel.
Israel is not obligated to make peace with a government whose stated political goals are incompatible with its existence as a nation and as a culture. The USA actually has fairly decent relations with a lot of Middle Eastern nations, whose stance on Israel and Palestinians is based entirely on considerations for their own political and economic needs at the moment and in regards to the future. The nations that have troubled relations with the USA do so because of their own histories and political realities, not because the USA supports Israel.
>people
all i’ve seen from palestinians are barking animals screaming allah akbar while raping women
>All those people were military age conscripts or reservists. Literally soldiers.
Yeah nah no one is ever going to buy that mudslime
But you know what, I will. And since Hamas and other Islamists use teenage soldiers, then every Palestinian male over 14 must be considered a combatant. And since Islamists love using child soldiers and child suicide bombers, I think it’s fair to label any Palestinian child over 6 as a combatant too. And since they often dress men as women to engage in suicide bombing or knifing, well, every Palestinian woman is a combatant too. And since they love conducting terror attacks abroad, every Palestinian across the world in all countries should be considered combatants. But, well, all Arabs and sandmonkeys look the same, so they are all combatants too. Guess we will have to kill every mudslime and Arab on the planet! It’s only fair
my anus after eating a lot of mexican food
are these main attack explosions or are the stored explosives cooking off?
probably secondary explosions, Hamas is well known to store ammo and rockets down there
Pigs orgasms last like an hour. Thats a lot of knot and nut in that ass.
>Pigs orgasms last like an hour
And you know this how?
Israel only needs to MOAB bunker bust a few key locations in order to declare victory. Maybe make a DMZ area around Gaza where you're shot on sight. No more "farmers" looking at the security wall.
blowtorch and corkscrew, but with 21st century equipment
just drop a thermobaric round into the entrance to force the defenders deeper in, followed by drilling in explosives into the tunnel to seal it shut
GAS GAS GAS!!!!!!!
Cammo and a bright red head band. Just…. Wow
this is why obama declared all men over 18 to be enemy combatants and there were no more civilian casualties
I just got off ban for this image, so it must make inbred shitskins fucking SEETHE, along with the troon, shitskin, and vatnig jannies and mods. They said it was trolling outside /b/. LMFAO. Probably will get another 3 day for it.
>pump water in
>absolutely fuck the land and all buildings on it for who knows how long
>videos of apartments full of families collapsing as the earth shifts
>get assrammed by the international community
>absolutely fuck the land and all buildings on it for who knows how long
they can live in tent cities or move to egypt
Anon, Egypt built a wall before the israelites did. Nobody wants what is basically the gypsies of the Levant.
not my problem
>What is a flamethrower
Burn them out or suffocate them
>Poison gas or simply gas that is heavier than air
Poison of suffocate them
>Blow up the entrances
Lock them in or force them to walk 25 km to the nearest exit nowhere near your operational zone
Some kind of penetrating WP round would be ideal
>WP round detonates in tunnel
>Toxic, blinding smoke fills the tunnel while WP fragments set things on fire, escape is impossible
>Fire these along the length of the tunnel, tunnel cleared
>Completely compliant with chemical weapons bans because WP isn't on the lists
Blast babyshark at over 1000db for 1 month 24/7 and kill anyone that dares to walk out of it
Aren't they fucked once the generators run out of fuel and there's no ventilation or light in the tunnels?
ARRRGHHHH I'M TOOOOONELLING
> What am I missing?
Doors.
And laws of physics, but that's a given in here.
>destroy freshwater supply
>what could go wrong
>10 strong water pumps working full time, you can fill 500km of tunnels full of water in under a week, easily.
Post the maths
NTA but here you go:
Buy the biggest pump made from the finest chinesium here: https://www.tobeepump.com/sea-water-pumps/tsh-large-seawater-pump.html
Assume the tunnels are, on average, 1m wide and 2m tall. Network is 500km or 500000m long. Width and height are potentially much smaller, so we are taking these numbers as an upper limit and ignore things like large underground rooms.
1m * 2m * 500000m = 1 million cubic meters
Divide by 12960 qm/h, get a little bit more than 77 hours as a result.
Assuming that no water is lost to the ground we are looking at a little more than three days until the problem is solved.
Use 10 pumps and the shit is done in less than a days work.
And if we ask the Netherlands if we can borrow their Pentair Fairbanks Nijhuis HP1-4000.340 (60qm/s) we would be done in four hours and 37 minutes and 46.67 seconds.
>And if we ask the Netherlands if we can borrow their Pentair Fairbanks Nijhuis HP1-4000.340 (60qm/s) we would be done in four hours and 37 minutes and 46.67 seconds.
Unironically this. If you need to take a lot of water out or put a lot of water into something, accept no substitute for the perfidious Dutch
you really just need to make the collective network of tunnels unviable, you do not need to destroy every foot of the tunnel network. Simply destroying part of it will make the rest easier to locate even if its just from Hamas being forced to overuse what it has left. Hamas will use a tunnel exit for an attack, it gets locked down and obliterated, rinse and repeat. Hamas will be forced more and more to fight from houses and other buildings, and the IDF will simply fix them in place and bomb/ID them to rubble.
Think there's any truth to this?
>Wd40+tinfoil
Wouldn't it make the bomb catch fire?
use fungus like in tlou, release giant rats, use sonar or some shit to scan the tunnels and deafen the enemy
Could israel in theory just flood the whole region and be done with it?
Yeah I know the hostages are going to die but if you want those tunnels to go for good I see no other option
>Gazans are apparently still attempting to infiltrate Israel
>At least a dozen of them have already died this evening near Zikim
Oh well.
There is only one answer, and the only reason they aren't doing it, is that will get even worse reputation, being israelites and all that.
Otherwise, it's the Geneva Suggestion all the way through.
Would it be possible to remove the oxygen with fire?
How come so many retards itt post about flooding or gassing tunnels when that shit never worked in Vietnam?
Because /k/ is now a turist board.
It would damage the ground underneath the cities. You could end up with unpredictable sinkholes, building collapses, etc for years.
>retards arguing over muh war powers
none of this matters. this entire fight, on the muslim side, is a pretext for moving away from the petrodollar system. on the israeli side, it's about enforcing the cultural conviction of zionism, the central pillar of which is the idea that Israel, the home of the israeli people, is a nation of clay situated temporally as opposed to a spiritual nation of people who share a common culture and belief, a nation which exists beyond time and space
it works a little something like this
>arabs fund Hamas because they know it's a thorn in the side of israelis
>short-sighted israeli politicos fund Hamas because they see it as a way of galvanizing support to have a bloodthirsty enemy on your doorstep
>tensions boil over
>the world begins taking sides
>muslims 'support' palestinians, but refuse to give them safe passage or refugee status
^ we are here
>israelis continue bombing civilians because their forces aren't willing to take the losses that a ground assault against an entrenched enemy will incur
>muslim countries begin demanding action from the west to constrain israel
>west refuses because israeli lobbying has already captured the levers of power in most western governments
>israel refuses to allow foreign troops to operate on her soil, continues bombing
>saudi arabia announces that OPEC will begin the process of selecting a new currency in which to settle trade agreements
>countries which oppose the US, for whatever reasons, begin dumping treasuries en masse
>dollar inflation spirals out of control, markets crash, US is no longer able to export inflation to the rest of the world, gg no re
the only question is what the currency of choice will be. i suspect BRICS will announce some manner of gold-backed CBDC with convertibility at levels only feasibly obtainable by huge corporations and nation-states, kind of a blend of Tether and the US dollar after the collapse of the Breton Woods agreement but before nixon closed the gold window
those ziggers outside avdiivka do be getting kinda stinky tho
>anyone who sees that america's geopolitical standing is the weakest it's been since Holocaust 1 MUST be russian
k
>the Saudis love capitalism
so they'll ally with whoever offers them the best deal? idk anon, gold sounds like a lot better deal than IOUs with pictures of dead white guys on them, and the russians and chinese both have lots of gold
>don't give a shit about palestinians
have we never learned what the word 'pretext' means?
>biden had a call with salman and they discussed going back to talks about normalization
i forgot, arabs are a 100% honest people who would never lie to put themselves in a better position
thank god we can rest assured salman's intentions are guaranteed to be pure
>as soon as the war is over
see, this is called a 'gotcha'; what happens when the war drags on too long? surely, MBS will resume normalization talks again anyway
>they know their best option is to ally with the white man
except for the arabs in europe, they seem pretty sure their best bet is to rape the white man's daughters til there's no whites left
think they'll work to get those arabs back home so that the white man will continue to prosper in his homeland?
and china have lots of gold! >>They will make BRICS gold currency! And the Saudis and other Arabs will use it because it's backed by all the gold Russia and china have!
Lose in gold reserves to both Italy and France. Each. Nato's gayest duo beats Russia and china combined on gold.
Add Germany to it and it's already almost double the combined reserves or Rus and china
Maybe France Germany and Italy should make their own gold backed currency and call it FAGIT after you
Per capita gold reserves looks even worse for China and Russia. Both France and Italy have less than half the population of Russia, roughly speaking.
>saudi arabia announces that OPEC will begin the process of selecting a new currency in which to settle trade agreements
Was an okay fantasy up until this line.
The Saudis love capitalism and don't give a shit about Palestinians lmao. Biden even had a call today with Salman and they discussed about going back to talks about normalization with Israel as soon as the war is over.
Despite everything, every arab leader knows that allying with the west (and most importantly, the white man) is always going to be their best bet for survival and prosperity
>MUH PETRODOLLAR
God I hate you fucks, can't you just shut up? Aren't you tired of being wrong for 20+ years?
>What am I missing?
generally underground tunnels and caves flood because they are below the natural water table and there is a failure and nature takes it course. When you are above the water table the water is simply going to sink into the ground. It would work for a small tunnel where you could pump water in faster than it can dissipate, not a large tunnel system.
grim
Gas or fire. If you use the right gas, then you can do both.
I wouldn't mind dying in those tunnels as a hostage if it means total palestinian death. Fuck it, what's one life anyway?
I admire your courage
this guy spent time with kurds in tunnels
>just gas / flood / burn / explode everything
Presumably, they want to save at least some of the hundreds of hostages taken into the tunnels
Flame throwers, fuck Obama and Geneva
Hamas are not covered under Geneva.
Why not just seal off the tunnel entrances by bulldozing them and let the fuckers suffocate?
>Because they are going to shoot with rpg or IED your bulldoozers
>Because they have hidden air vents
>Because they are just going to dig around your "blockade"
Any other smart idea?
>What am I missing?
Physics and feasablity.
If they find out where a tunnel is, they destroy it.
The problem is not "How to destroy Tunnels", the real problem is "Fiding the Tunnel in the first place".
It's like you're trying to find a F22 with radar but you've no idea in the world where it is.
You can't simply find it magically f you don' know where it is..
Same with Hamas Tunnels.
wtf why do these people we keep in a concentration camp want to kill us
how many palestinian babies do israelis need to kill to teach you durkadurka sympathizers a lesson
Zero, the more they kill the more they're hated
>K fags really think hamas dont have any doors in there