Yes I know you are impressed but please hold your applause. This 55l pack remains the undisputed champion of the general purpose scPrepHole pack range. Often called the Lamborghini of the hiking world this is the final bag that most men ever buy and certainly ever need. You may clap now.
What's the name? I'm hunting for a backpack that opens like that, easy access to everything, as it should be.
I almost bought wisport zipper fox, but Lord stopped my hand, its a shitty backpack all who advertise it are shills.
I have been thinking about getting a wisport zipperfox. what's so shitty about it?
>what's so shitty about it?
>What makes teh zipperfox so shitty?
Maybe shitty is to strong of a word, but it has several serious flaws that disqualify it for me.
Sad thing is I had to dig deep and only after a while I found fair reviews who expose its flaws.
I was a click away from buying it, but I decided to finger frick it in the store just to make final decision.
I hate YouTube shills so much its unreal.
Anyway:
— It says it's 40L but its not, It's more like 37L max.
— It has no internal straps that help you hold the stuff and squeeze the it before zipping up. Generally packing up is said to be a nightmare and I believe it, it has to be at least 3/4 zipped otherwise everything falls out, so it's almost like every other regular old style pack.
— It's very hard to close when fully loaded, this weird trapezoid shape is just hard to close when packed.
— Those net side pockets are moronic. Normally you'd putt a bottle there or something, and hold it in place with straps. But those pockets are not only useless, they're pointless.
— I like to hang my backpack on a branch when I'm out, I also hang an Ikea travel organizer (pic related) where I hold all the small stuff, to have everything in one place - hate having to look for shit when its dark. I hoped I will be able to do the same with zipperfox 40, but I cant - it does have pockets, but they have zero zippers.
So if I hang it and open it, everything will just fall out, it's a really moronic design.
— People have complained about the straps too, but since I have never wore it PrepHole I cant say anything about that.
Gott Mit Uns.
Tasmanian Tiger modular trooper pack.
No I do not use a bivvy. Why does every single thread have a reply exactly like this. How many autists are there here who think everyone is the same person or is it all you? Do you post this shit in every thread?
What makes teh zipperfox so shitty? my brother in Christ
NTA. But while it is not a particularly bad backpack (it's okay), I don't think it is worth the price. If you want that zippered access all over the backpack, I would save up a little more and go with one of the modular TT backpacks, depending on your specific needs. After all, they came up with the system (or, more specifically, built upon a dead birb LEAF backpack), and the zipperfox is a budget copy.
How is back system of these compared to futura frame? I love the look, organization and material, but I am very undecided about their back system.
>250 for a bag
are you the same gay who was samegayging in that bivvy thread?
>Not an external frame pack
Gay and inferior
Post yours. I've never once seen a person IRL with an external frame.
But there was that time when there was 30 of them watching you bemused as they sat there for lunch and you walked right past them, seen stranger things
My 12 year old jansport scout is still going strong
I would but I'd like an external frame for packing out my deer.
>This 55l pack remains the undisputed champion of the general purpose scPrepHole pack range.
No, the modular system is best for organizing kit if you have like a specialist role like a medic in the military or otherwise need to have specialized equipment organized. For regular backpacking it's a meme.
I have the 30L and it's a good size for light traveling and the attachable pockets is actually beneficial for storing clothes. Extra shirts, pants, socks, underwear. Shit you don't need a lot of when hiking.
Mystery Ranch Bridger 55 is a better pack, actually designed for backpacking instead of LARPing, similar price point.
Hey that's the brand which some anon from here bought, loaded up, picked the bag up "incorrectly" and the entire strap tore off.
>Hey that's the brand which some anon from here bought, loaded up, picked the bag up "incorrectly" and the entire strap tore off.
Nope. I remember making fun of that guy for not knowing how to use the hoist handle. It was a Hyperlite Mountain Gear pack.
It looks like you're also too much of a dumb tourist to know what the hoist handle is for. If you load a bag to at or near its stated weight capacity, grab it by one hauling strap, and fling it around like a moronic gorilla, the strap might rip free, or it might not; but it will weaken the stitching and increase the odds of it breaking in the future.
So yes, whirling your pack around by one hauling strap when it is full is "incorrect." The straps are rated to carry the max load (plus safety margin) while they are both on your shoulders. You use the hoist handle to carefully pull the bag up and put it on when it's full.
It's all right, I'm not judging you for being an ignorant moron who can't use a pack properly, doesn't know how to read a map, is a LARPing suburbanoid, etc.
>this much seethe and leddit spacing
Updooted!
>reads clear explanation of why he's ignorant and wrong
>"h-heh, seethe!"
>"reddit invented the paragraph!"
newbies never change. I've been using spaced paragraphs in long posts since I've been using this site, which was before reddit even existed.
The real redditor here is the bullshitter trying to cover being called out as an idiot and lack of a rebuttal in the face of facts with generic insults. I've known what the hoist handle was for since the 1990s, probably before you were born.
>he hasn't posted his bag
You don't own a Mystery Ranch Bridger 55. You are LARPing for a product you havent even tested.
>You don't own a Mystery Ranch Bridger 55.
Oh yeah?
whats more comfy
osprey or MR?
MR by far. Although they can take a load, unlike ospreys target crowd, who take loads all night filled with HIV.
>I've known what the hoist handle was for since the 1990s, probably before you were born.
Weak ass old boomer. That explains it. Your knees can't handle a 6lb bag lmao.
>heh
>I was almost forced to face the fact that my argument was bad but I see here you put a line between your paragraphs
>hahaha
>tough luck pal
>thinks that’s an ultralight pack
The Mountain Hardware PCT 55L is made from 210D with a 500D bottom. It weighs 4lb 2oz. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
>bucket pack
wut? Do you mean a top loading pack?
>The Mountain Hardware PCT 55L
The one that broke which he wasn't advocating for and that he doesn't own?
>So yes, whirling your pack around by one hauling strap when it is full is "incorrect." The straps are rated to carry the max load (plus safety margin) while they are both on your shoulders. You use the hoist handle to carefully pull the bag up and put it on when it's full
Turn the pack around backwards straps facing you. On the ground. On your knee put your arms through the straps. Flip the thing over your head and onto your back.
If you want to larp that is. But if prefer hanging onto one strap that might break while you stand at full height with a face full of agony as you try to get the other arm in then don't practice this.
Not that guy but as a genuine LARPing suburbanite who wants to go outside more, what's a good place to start? I live in literally Alaska so there's all sorts of places to go hiking, but I don't know much anything about shoes or gear that isn't military related.
I'd prefer to start with day hikes but I want to work up to overnight backpacking through the summer. I have some gear, but I'm not sure it's the right stuff or appropriate for my local conditions.
First of all, but a bag that wont break because the straps can't take a hauling lift. That's not good build quality, that's safrificial engineering. And it needs to stay in the dead ideas bin where it belongs.
there isn't a single pack on the market or milsurp designed to be carried loaded by the chest straps. just packs you can get away with it. only little kid backpacks and literal chink shit don't have a haul handle. its there for a reason not for decoration.
So there's getting away with it or light shit that flat out dies? Wow convincing.
Or you could just do it right as even this goober from 13 years ago can demo for you, you moronic child.
as i said you can get away with incorrectly using a pack quite a few times. but that one time you rip the strap off in the middle of the woods you'll feel like a true goober. when you have a little experience under your belt and hair on your chest you'll get a clue and realize there's a lot of bad habits you can pick up outdoors that may not bite you in the ass until they do. this being an example.
11 years strong here. Never had a bag break because I don't buy weak bags.
Same here. I never understood this dumb-ass meme lot of anons here preach about buying the cheapest shit you can get away with. My current backpack (Camelbak Trizip) is now 8 years old and apart from a little tear in the inside mesh pocket, it is in pretty much a perfect condition.
Every time I see MR I remember Camelback did them and cry that most of the cooler US craft gear isn't available here without shipping forwarding. Saw an LBT jumpable pack on a boomer a year ago and was wigged out because it was in some weird grey. Medical bag of some kind. Was strange to say the least. I use platatacs overdone medium pack from a few years back. Framed Rooland version and it's become my best bro. Heavy as shit though. When I visit the US sometime I'm gonna grab a Hillpeople gear Ute if they have em around when I show. Plus I can go shoot good gunns innawoods instead of .308 on permissive spots only.
Absolutely, I have the same feelings about the Hill People Gear. Btw if you are also Europoor like me, you can still get Trizips from Camelbak on Ebay from time to time. Even mint new.
genuinely avoid PrepHole and just go outside.
nobody here has any clue what they're talking about, this board is mostly populated by literal 16-25 year old children who speak from little if no experience. most people on this board are pretty new to PrepHole and larp like they know a lot more than they do.
you can make friends locally by volunteering to do trail maintenance. just dayhike and baby step your way into overnights then weekends then longer trips. make friends and get experience, they'll teach you more than some youtube bushcrafter or product shiller making videos in his back yard ever could.
if you get into long distance stuff you're stuck using reddit to network with people. the only outdoors communities that aren't totally dead are reddit and a few bubba forums.
>fling it around like a moronic gorilla
Thank you for that mental image, anon. Gave me a good chuckle.
What’s so innovative about this panel loading, non-ventilated back, no hip belt pocket, tiny side pocket, no stretch rear pocket having pack?
>non ventilated
Yes. It’s a very typical foam pad that will leave your back sweaty in warm weather. This design has been around for decades and has been overtaken by trapeze-style suspensions which outperform foam pads in both ventilation and pressure distribution.
It works great in the aussie heat I've never had an issue
Neither of you have ever used anything else, so you don’t have a frame of reference.
Most of the Osprey flagships use it. They were the first, and it was years ago. Z-Packs Arc series uses it, and a few Gregory packs (the Focal and Optic for sure). Pic is a Mountain Hardware PCT 55.
I can't stand using bucket packs.
tried the zpacks one. i'd be all over this shit if i lived in a hot climate. being in a cold wet climate its not worth the weight/complexity/weight being all detached from you.
i don't think any pack's a one size fits all but they're good at what they do. zpacks squeaks but i heard osprey has no such problems.
I've done legit desert hiking with it above the equator. High humidity and extreme heat. I'm fit but not ridiculously so.
can u post pic of the trapeze style suspension
As no one else has posted a superior bag. The TT modular trooper remains the clear winner of the general purpose scPrepHole range! A bag that will not tear a strap off even if you load it with 80lb.
You may clap now.
It's truly a work of art. Not only for its ability to make the frail ULers seethe.
>be OP
>consoom tacticool bag marketed to LARPers
>immediately snap pictures to post online
>wastes a thread for the sole purpose of bragging
>back into the closet it goes alongside his other virtually unused backpacks
>calls someone else a Redditor
Yeah, seems about right.
The bag is just too based.
You are a 50 year old man without a family arguing with someone half your age on PrepHole.
>You are a 50 year old man without a family arguing with someone half your age on PrepHole.
Wrong again, idiot! I'm a 40-year-old man without a family. TAKE THAT!
Under 30 is underage b&
Exo mountain gear k3200 or 4800 with the lid removed beats the shit out of your gay pack.
It's still an UL which isn't general purpose.
The k4800 is a 5.2lb external frame hunting pack with a load capacity in excess of 200lbs, Its only ultralight when you consider weight capacity vs weight of pack.
those aren't ultralight packs they're recreational packs. ultralight packs are usually only 210d at most on their thickest parts and frameless.
lol i keep a monitor lizard in a tent made of 1000d. some peace of mind for you i guess.
>this is the best pack
>stock photo from the internet
If this board actually had dedicated janitors this would earn a three day ban
She's the best general purpose pack in the scPrepHole range bar none.
Someone needs to explain what part of "general purpose" says to you that if I tossed it in the back of the ute and my friend yanked it back out sideways by the strap that the strap should tear off destroying the bag?
This is not general purpose guys.
Literal and actual US military recon and special forces units as well as PMCs the world over use Mystery Ranch packs, what are you smoking?
Their civilian shit is just as rugged. Some UL gay's Dyneema plastic sandwich bag ripping six months ago has nothing to do with Mystery Ranch, you schizoid.
US military reacon aren't carrying weird shit like conibears into the forest bro.
Truth haver.
I've used it as a medical bag. Used plenty else besides. It's not a disqualifier.
Also osprey 'Invented it' Riiight. Popularised it among redditoids you mean.
What are you gonna do with em? I always found TT to be in the price range that I start to buy local made isntead of sponsoring the germans. Nothing against them but our domestic military bags are unkillable. Heavy but well managed suspension wise. I've an older framed medium assault pack. I used my wilderness equipment canvas hiker pack for around the country for a while but then gave it to someone who was doing the asia circuit. I'm glad she's using it.
If I could get some of the more low profile TT I would though.
Please show a pack using this style of suspension that predates Ospreys version.
Litterally any mesh suspension from breathable packs. Lowe used to do them as did OR. The thing is ospreys was a marketing gimmick to act like they'd invented something when really it was just an inferior floating load setup than say, all of the hunting worlds vented bags. It's insane that anyone called it a feature.
I'm not interesting in directing you to better stuff so you can buy it all up and jack thge prices for actual users. Someone who is still on the reddit brand loyalty bandwagon should stay on trail. The system was so shit for big loads that they flat out ceased it in some series. The shit was squeaky and annoying either way and a copy from older tropical military packs. Even the dumb c**ts in charge had to abandon it on a bunch of packs. You can figure this all out by yourself by using stuff.
>these brands did it
>no I won’t actually prove it
>trust me bro
Reddit is better informed and more experienced than PrepHole
No so informed that you can't do a basic search for why they are abandoning the 'good' suspension. Osprey flags homosexuals so keep buying. I like to know what you are.
The pic you posted is about one specific pack. Their 2023 packs still have some type of trapeze suspension (not all of them use the same AG system). So no, they didn’t abandon it. You’re just moronic.
But all of this is beside the point, as this was never about Osprey in particular, just the style of suspension they use in general. You don’t understand that that because, again, you’re moronic. You saw “Osprey” and threw an emotional fit.
It was for a size and series not just the one. Aether and Ariel later models IIRC. There are some Stratos that also don't have it now, they changed it. The menta was complained about the most but perhaps that's just people experiencing the brand after having used stuff with better quality control. But hey lie more if you want. I don't invest in making people move on to better shit because I want it to remain available and for people like you to self filter.
FWIW they mostly moved to hipbelts if you didn't check the r/lgbt10+hikers page lately.
Like I said, it’s one model.
>the Stratos!
Switched from AG to Airspeed.
>the Manta!
Uses Airspeed.
Again, this isn’t about Osprey you fricking moron. It’s about a style of suspension that they were the first to implement. That’s right; the first. This is pretty much agreed upon and it’s what I remember, back from when you were in middle school.
Pic rel is a screen grab from a video on Ospreys website of the 2023 Stratos that you claim no longer uses this type of suspension because you hate Osprey (I’m not sure how those things are related but here we are). It’s their Airspeed suspension.
First on Osprey brand maybe. And I just hate redditors and osprey is a good way to locate them.
You also didn't adress why they don't all use that suspension on models they no longer do. Funny that.
>I hate Redditors
Go leave
>models
Model. Singular. Issues arise with heavier loads on this style of suspension.
You didn’t address the fact that OR didn’t even exist when the Zero-g suspension came out.
Never been on /misc/ too many trannies.
https://gearjunkie.com/camping/osprey-atmos-ag-backpack
Osprey started it in 1976. They released their first Zero-G suspension in 1993, and the first generation Anti-Gravity packs in 2005.
Lowe came out with the first internal frame pack sometime in the 1960’s. I do t think OR even existed when the Zero-G was released, but maybe.
In the 1990s I used a Kelty external frame to hike many hundreds of miles on the AT, go out with the Scouts, and explore a number of smaller trails and the woods; in the 2000s I used a 40L LL Bean pack to weekend hike the Grand Canyon, various Zion NP routes, Arches, etc. A
also parts of Nova Scotia; but in the 2010s I'd left the military, settled into a city, and was wagecucking too hard to get PrepHole much.
But in 2019 I moved back to the country, I gained a fishing buddy, then several more fishing buddies, and more recently two hiking buddies (both dayhikers, but oh well), and I'm back, baby. And I can tell you from long experience that the Bridger 55 cucks OP's tacticool trash sack harder than wagecucking cucked me in the 2010s.
Yeah but you can't strap 10kg of conibear traps to your LL bean.
a cheap surplus molle II ruck would be better than your tryhard bullshit
It's a great backpack, but not even TT's best one. Their modular line is a lot better, especially 45 Plus.
Then there is MR and it's derivatives (Camelbak Trizip for example) which mogg TT backpacks with the Futura back frame.
t. militarygay gear queer.
Eberlestock>tt cant deny it they are just better
Sell me on eberlestock
>1000d cordura
>most comfy load system Ive ever used
>rifle carry for when you larp or hunt
>lifetime warranty
>1000d cordura
Neat. Does that apply to all models?
>most comfy load system Ive ever used
Can you compare it to MR?
1000d on all the military ones
Ive only ever used the smaller mr packs so I cant really comment but the padding is thick and lets trough a lot of air
Also uses that ladder style adjustment in height plus you can have a few different types of frames depending on what you wanna do also have fat people hip belts if you need them
Sounds good. I'll check them out.
Hope Eberlestock is paying you something, anon.
Nah just got them issued and they have saved my life more than once
>ITT: teenagers/twentysomethings making the same mistakes I did at that age
Time is a flat circle.
You are still here and you think that's not a mistake?
>not explaining the mistake
you didnt do shit
Everything we've ever done or will we're gonna do it again and again and again... forever
What is the consensus on backpacks like this?
Found one for cheap 120RON or about 25 dollars american.
25 dollars is a steal
IM IN LOVE WITH THE TT
Does someone itt has the experience with both the TT and MR? I wonder how they compare in back departments.
MR all the way if you can buy it in your nation. TT is german cope.
You've owned both? Which ones?
Hijacking the thread.
I daily a 4l backpack. I can easily fit my rain gear, a powerbank and spare socks into 0.5l.
Is it physically possible to fit some stealth camping gear into the remaining space? I've seen tarps that can pack as small as 20mL, but what about a sleeping pad and a bag/quilt? Every time I look for compact stuff I get bulky ultralight crap instead.
>I daily a 4l backpack
Why? Are you homeless?
>Why?
Because it is convenient. E.g. when I take a tram I don't have to take it off, it's thin enough to sit as-is.
>Are you homeless?
No, but I want to larp as one.
>Is it physically possible to fit [a sleeping bag or quilt] into the remaining space?
no its not physically possible. the highest end possible 50 degree quilts pack down to about 3-4.5 liters depending on if you're willing to hurt the down and how strong you are.
but if you stepped up to a 10L pack you could easily accomplish this. a 10L hiking pack with compression straps should be able to configure just as tiny.
>every time I look for compact stuff I get bulky ultralight crap instead.
if you want compact, "bag" shouldn't be part of the vocabulary, quilts are smaller.
ultralighter quilts are going to by far be the least bulky options unless we're talking about blanket weather where you don't even need a quilt/bag.
you'll want a 30-50 degree rated quilt and you'll want to look for some specific features so it packs smaller:
- 7d inner + outer shell. 7d inner + 10d outer might work. full 10d will be too bulky. 15d+ will certainly not work.
- you want the highest fill power possible down, 950 or 1050, you won't make this work with cheaper stuff
- sewn footbox
when its warm out, obviously you can just take a thin blanket instead.
>Thread on a 55L bag
>Asks about muh stealth camping
Frick right off, Steve.
You can't stop me if you can't see me.
>2023
>paying 250 for a pack that holds less than 100L
Bergenbros....