>try to look up any real info about what modern BVR combat is like
>only get DCS videos
>it's the same thing every time where both sides get in range, launch then dive and turn 90 degrees away to dodge the incoming missile and then rinse and repeat until someone gets unlucky
Is it really like that at all?
Yeah the age of SOVL is over
>Dive
If you climb the enemy missile will both lose energy from fighting gravity and be less maneuverable from thinner air.
your kd must be fucking ass to sprout dumb shit like that.
A missile going Mach 4 can outclimb any plane, you dive to go where the air is denser, make the missile lose speed, and then climb when it's spent
If you climb you will both lose energy from fighting gravity and be less maneuverable from thinner air.
Now, thin air means less drag. Drags gets much more punishing as your speed increases. The constant leeching of energy it causes is also much more of a concern if you only have minimal fuel reserves to replenish your energy from. Sufficiently thin air will also start bothering air breathing jet engines, while a rocket engine doesn't really give much of a fuck.
So when you're relatively slow and equipped with an air-breathing engine that may have hours worth of fuel available, and the missile goes fats as fuck using a rocket engine with seconds worth of burn time...
Dive, THEN climb
Airbreathing engines lose a shitload of thrust at altitude, unlike rocket motors. Missile will outclimb you. However, cranking forces the missile to pull hard turns and forces it to lose energy and doesn't put the defending plane into a low energy state.
you are a retard
Its even worse DCS senarios usually pit equal capabilities against eachother. Real areal fights are really lopsided in favour of US systems.
Also the performance of Russian aircraft in the game are basically based on their propaganda claims, or the inclusion of weapons systems that have been manufactured in artisan quantities and aren't in use by the real world Russian airforce. For example, the KA-50 in-game is basically immune to MANPADS because it has an awesome missile warning system that automatically dispenses flares in the direction the missile launches from. Meanwhile KA-52s in Ukraine are slaughtered like dogs with no flares deployed every time.
Eagle Dynamics is Russian after all. F-16 and F-15 sustained performance a shit in DCS.
It's not shit, they are the arguably the best fighters in the game. I don't think Eagle Dynamics is biased, they just have to go by publically available data. Russia doesn't release much data except for "Russian airplane better than NATO dogs". Whenever they get footage or strong evidence that their simulation isn't accurate, they update it. For example, I noticed the KA-50 does the KA-52s signature shake at certain parts of the flight envelope.
So is that what BVR fighting is actually like? Just lobbing missiles, dodging and repeating until you maybe get to the merge?
IRL, you might not even get to the merge. Whoever runs out of ammo first will leave since an airframe and pilot is very valuable. It is usually more worth it to fly back and forth another day. The other thing is that you would have wingmen IRL. No one fights 1v1. When you're defending someone else is shooting. Numbers are really important here. If you arec heavily out numbered you may get stuck defensive the entire time and you may as well go home since you will never have the opportunity to recommit and fire your own missiles. In reality you would have never gotten into that fight since early warning radar would have told you it was a fools errand, at least without deception. There was a fight in the mideast where the Israelis ambushed Egyptian fighters flown by Soviet advisors by pretending to be a group of strike aircraft by flying slow/disguising numbers by close formation iirc.
It's fundamentally a losing game to enter combat from a position where you have no advantage and the outcome is up to chance. Modern fighter combat is very much about positioning and only committing to an attack when you have the advantage. Two near-peer jets trading Fox-3s means both sides got caught with their pants down.
Kinda, yeah. But the DCS scenarios are obviously simplistic because it's
>usually 1v1
>nobody cares about dying
So how does a pair (or flight) differ in tactics?
One thing that DCS players find when going up against actual fighter pilots is that the latter use way more aggressive tactics and take more risks to end the fight as fast as possible, because in live training, you learn how much it sucks to be pulling 9Gs and how fast it tires you out.
>you learn how much it sucks to be pulling 9Gs and how fast it tires you out.
I remember reading about Hans Joachim Marseille, and on the day he got triple-Ace-in-a-day he had to be physically pulled out of the cockpit because of the fatigue from flying in 4 separate air battles.
Had a mud hen driver neighbor who claims his backseater broke their nose and gave themselves dual shiners falling on their face exiting their plane after a rough exercise in weapons school
Why is the plane making a 😀 face? Is it happy?
>modern BVR combat is like
that's because BVR combat has happened a very small number of times in all of history.
>10 Miles hes back on my nose, Fox One again!
Atleast with sparrows you had keep painting the target until it hit.
Fox 1: For when you've got noting left.
Fox 3: The only friend you'll ever need!
I wish there were more 80s/gulf war era servers. Aim120C dueling gets so old
Active radar homing ended air combat kino.
how do i even get into dcs
what equipment do i need
how autistic do i need to be
i watch the videos of guys doing this and i think i'm too much of a retard to figure it out
Install game
Play tutorials
>how do i even get into dcs
have disposable income
at this point piracy is justified
You're not supposed to buy all the DLC, just the ones that you're interested in.
>inb4 buh I like them all
It's a sim, not an arcade game. You're going to have a hard enough time remembering how to fly one or two planes, let alone remembering even the start up sequence on them.
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the secret is to buy 1 aircraft and try to master it, theres still nerds out there that have been doing nothing but fly the A10 for the last 10 years. but tragically you will end up buying way too many aircraft anyway
Step 1 is to ignore every ww2 warbird since il-2 does ww2 combat much better unless you are sexually attracted to monitoring manifold pressure. Step 2 is to ignore at least 50% of the gen2 fighters since they are functionally the same. Step 3 is to drop all of them and just main the fa-18 or f-16, pretending it's a single platform sim like they came in the olden days. Also Falcon bms is a cheap alternative to dcs all together
You’re never, ever going to actually fly all that shit. I play like 8+ hours a week and am not even halfway through F18 modules
>try to look up any real info about what modern BVR combat is like
It looks like MH17