True Graphene armor and modern combat

Graphene and graphene mesh composites are promising to provide HARD armor able to stop anything up to 50cal.

Unlike current soft armor designs graphene armor would be 3 times lighter making it possible to wear a full suit of armor with padding underneath almost like a medieval knight.

The fact that this type of armor is hard means that ricochets and deflections are much more likely than the full round energy being adsorbed.

Another advantage is that hard armor can transfer the energy onto a very large area (if you have padding) making the impact of ammo up to rifle rounds much less painful and smaller rounds barely noticeable.

Price and size of true graphene armor (not the meme graphene infused crap as in pic related) is getting cheaper and better very quickly.

If an army can afford full body coverage of graphene armor how would it affect the battlefield? Normal rifle rounds would be about as ineffective as they are against armored vehicles. You would need to use very large calibers to knock down someone.
Also such armor would make hand grenades fragments much less effective.

Of course artillery and anything that kills by pressure wave would not be very affected by this development.

How much advantage would an army able to afford such armor enjoy?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dickshot

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You do realise graphene can't be scale manufactured, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've read more than a few papers, one from Boeing I believe, that outline mass production. Essentially you "grow" the graphene on a cuprate substructure and the dissolve the copper to get your intact graphene superstructure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Boeing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >>Your armor vest straps fall apart mid combat because Tyrone forgot to pass them trough the machine which makes the Velcro grippy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >>Your armor vest straps fall apart mid combat because Tyrone forgot to pass them trough the machine which makes the Velcro grippy.

          Do they hire DEI at Phantom Works? I didn't think the average Black person could be a clearance

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >because some airplane plant had shoddy QC that means every sector of boeing is shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And I’ve read about a thousand articles from various scientists and publications over the past 10 years they keep saying we have 100% solved battery limitations. And yet the most advanced batteries on the civilian markets are only capable of giving small drones like 30 minutes of power. Don’t buy into the hype like 15 year old me did watching Future Weapons only for 99% of what they showed to get scrapped for being a stupid fricking idea. The only people who are optimistic about future technology are people seeking investors.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >talking about Boeing secrets
        RIP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      High quality graphene is very easy to produce, you can produce it at home in large quantities with quartz tubing, a vacuum chamber, a high voltage power supply unit and a simple carbon source (Grass, food waste, fireplace ash, ect ect)
      Not that it matters, metal foam mogs graphene for the same reasons carbon fiber isnt used in armor - Binding agents are too weak

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look up Kansas State’s recent breakthrough with their acetylene oxygen detonation technique. It’s a HUGE deal in the material science world. Everyone is talking about it. Patented in 2017, proof of concept in 2022 IIRC, now they’re making tons of pure graphene.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the whole point of this post.

      While now it is not yet reasonable to expect large deployment of true graphene armor the prices are coming down FAST and the manufacturing is becoming larger and cheaper and more efficient every year.

      So it can be reasonable to expect this type of armor to be available within the next decade at least to special forces depending on government budget.

      Anyway the main point of this post is to discuss how the military wide deployment of such advanced graphene armor would affect the future battlefield.
      It's not the main point of the post to discuss if it is technically or financially possible or not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sheeeit, I'm doing graphene-infused fiberglass leg armor tonight. looks like freakin' carbon fiber, right?

        (has some other largely carbon-based "special sauce" too... and some tungsten disulfide)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you the cum armor anon?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, no cum

            > spacing
            > falling for the graphene meme
            You moronic Black folk are posting in a slide thread.
            [...]
            You realize that adding graphene (graphite) flakes to your adhesive won't improve performance, right anon?

            no, because I used polyethylene glycol to prevent it from clumping up like a non-moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why do morons even make soft armor that goes over long bones? this graphene-infused stuff is cool as shit and all you operators are totally jelly of my mad mat-sci skills

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I hope your broken leg heals soon anon

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >implying a .170 in cast could eat a .44 mag like the literature predicts from graphene-infused S-glass

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One of the problems with fullerene chemistry, including graphene, is that a huge amount of stuff is tied up in patents that will take ten years to expire, and they're all such valuable advances that licensing is stupidly expensive even if everything else is dirt cheap. The whole field is advancing in tiny steps every ten years because patent law is fricked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "novelty" just means you mixed the armor materials different enough from the last guy to fool the patent ossifur

        i find the idea of wearing a powersuit kinda closterphobic also imagine the heat and feeling of itchiness when your out there. I just find the idea of not being alble to scratch your skin hard

        thermoelectric cooling is a thing if you are only dealing with a few hours of serious heat a day between switching out batteries.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's cheap enough to manufacture now that I have a driver shaft with made partially with graphene. It was moronic fricking expensive, though.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wait 5 minutes until they get tired.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      graphene is stupidly light. the implications of it are truly astonishing.

      are you ready to 3d print a skyscraper in a fricking DAY? let alone a house?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is this a language model generated thread?
    sure seems like it.
    I recommend immediate suicide, OP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pic is ai as well

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't grab peen I'm not gay.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Graphene is hot again
    LMAO
    Weapons have surpassed armor for longer than living memory and will continue to do so barring some unforeseen breakthrough in material sciences. You people need to get the frick over yourselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Weapons have surpassed armor for longer than living memory
      This is such an asinine post considering how ceramic/composite plates revolutionized every military on earth in the fricking late 1990s, that Afghanistan was the first war in history where soldiers could viably survive a center mass rifle hit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but that hasn't been the primary killer of troops in peer warfare for awhile. look at the Ukrainian stuff happening, most of them are eating it due to spall and shrap.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/wT76viF.jpeg

          >Weapons have surpassed armor for longer than living memory
          This is such an asinine post considering how ceramic/composite plates revolutionized every military on earth in the fricking late 1990s, that Afghanistan was the first war in history where soldiers could viably survive a center mass rifle hit

          artillery, as always, wins all the wars ever. proper full armour would finally help break that, or at LEAST make such things far more survivable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        OK cool, and longbows still had trouble defeating so much as gambeson. What is said is true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, so you can go ahead and address the point if you're capable.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Graphene is hot again
              LMAO
              Weapons have surpassed armor for longer than living memory and will continue to do so barring some unforeseen breakthrough in material sciences. You people need to get the frick over yourselves.

              OK cool, and longbows still had trouble defeating so much as gambeson. What is said is true.

              Right now, personal body armor surpasses small arms weapons that are used against personnel. IE, Level 4 plates are capable of stopping rifle fire, frag, stab, blunt attacks, etc. There is still no commonplace solution to this. If a longbow could be defeated by a mere gambeson that's not proof of superiority of the weapon, nor a rifle being defeated by rifle armor.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If it takes a bigger weapon to defeat defenses that only proves the inferiority of existing weaponry normally used against such targets

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                [...]
                Right now, personal body armor surpasses small arms weapons that are used against personnel. IE, Level 4 plates are capable of stopping rifle fire, frag, stab, blunt attacks, etc. There is still no commonplace solution to this. If a longbow could be defeated by a mere gambeson that's not proof of superiority of the weapon, nor a rifle being defeated by rifle armor.

                It doesn't take bigger weapons because modern armor only covers a small part of the body.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, are you saying armor doesn't count as armor unless it provides total protection against any threat?
                Even when melee combat was the rule, you had examples of professionals who could definitely afford it opt to only cover their vitals, because anything else they could fight through.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm saying the concept of needing bigger weapons because of modern armor makes no sense. Nobody 'fights through' a rifle bullet in brain.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, to defeat the armor itself. Defeating the valuable thing behind it is somewhat easier but not what I'm talking about. In short, for body armor at least, the average lv4 plate can defeat the average rifle round fired from the average service rifle in use by the average army worldwide. Supposedly the US developed the Sig M7 to defeat hard armor but even it can't do so without tungsten AP rounds, which are far from standard issue. Definitely a bigger than normal weapon though

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This all comes down to the semantic distinction in saying one thing has "surpassed" the other. If I take a gun and shoot a plate and it doesn't go through you can argue that means the armor has "surpassed" the weapon. However that's not normally how I see it used. I mean did the shield "surpass" the sword, spear, or arrow? It would make more sense to say for example that the longbow was surpassed by firearms; that cavalry was surpassed by tanks; that medieval plate armor was surpassed by guns; basically the defeat of the technology was so drastic that you see big changes to the way you deal with it.

                if you introduce plates to infantry combat, on a grand scale you will see fewer people dying to random long range shots, surviving more grenades, etc. however if you took a Russian squad and had them engage a Ukrainian squad that had no body armor, the outcome would barely be affected by the armor. there is no real rush to defeat armor because most times you get caught in actual combat, you are getting lit the frick up and catching a few to your brain and other vitals along the way. it's way more comparable to giving soldiers tourniquets vs. giving them something that "surpasses" the enemy's weapon imo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Modern rifle plates are fundamentally different from a knight's plate armor. A knight knows he's 95% invincible and his fate rests in his own hands, but somebody in ceramic plates is just as fragile as anyone else on the battlefield and can be killed or crippled in a split second by a random idiot spraying blindly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure theyre fragile but they're consumables anyways. There are extreme multihit plates out there like the LIBA which can tank a couple dozen of shots before breaking apart which is testament to its durability. Enough for a soldier to run away or return fire, but if he's shot in an uncovered area, that's got nothing to do with the armor. As long as a fresh plate is had they're tough against small arms in general. Even plate armor can be worn down from attack over time, like from blunt weaponry, medieval AP but it'd still take plenty of blows. You'd have to shoot a knight with a ballista or a soldier with a antimateriel rifle to get through the armor to the guts beneath.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If it takes a bigger weapon to defeat defenses
                IDK how you got "bigger weapon" out of that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no common place solution
                Shoot an unarmoured part and/or just keep shooting until the target is incapacitated.
                No militaries issue arm/leg armour to its infantry and no man's capable of taking bullets though their arms and legs and being okay to carry on fighting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I meant defeating the armor itself, not just going around it though dick shots and the like can also work. It still means the armor is robust against the weapon to the point people must work around it though. The goal of the armor to protect what's (immediately) behind it is still achieved regardless. So in the case of personal armor, all the organs in the chest are technically OK, even if the person wearing the armor bled to death from his limbs long ago.

                Only thing to defeat good lv4 plates themselves are powerful rounds from oversized guns or rare tungsten AP. Or sheer mag dumping and wear and tear. But that is a success story in a way, because the enemy must try harder than normal to go through it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this fricking AI generated art?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's an ai generated text, too

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Graphene-infused armor is definitely not just a "meme." If you look on google scholar, researchers are consistently getting roughly like 30-70% better ballistic performance by adding (usually) between 0.2 and 2% graphene to standard armor materials.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it exists and it shows improvement but it's not even comparable to what full plate graphene could be when prices keep coming down and graphene sheets can be made big enough to make large plates.

      Anyway OP here.

      If we assume that in the future a full body graphene composites armor can reliability stop any ammo below 50cal without substantial injury to the wearer (let's say full rifle rounds feeling like a strong slap not like an hammer blow trough the padding) which would allow soldier to get hit several times and keep walking.

      Also hand grenades would do little to no damage unless exploding within one yard/meter of the wearer as the explosion itself is not very powerful and almost all the damage is from frag.

      Artillery kill/wound radius would be substantially reduced as smaller shrapnel could be easily stopped but still artillery would be extremely deadly as the explosion and the larger shrapnel wouldn't be stoppable.

      Drones would also have a much smaller kill radius.

      But personally I would think that the main advantage would be psychological, the fact that your men know the enemy would have a seriously hard time injuring them when they jump in a trench or run against machine gun fire while they can injure them easily would be a great morale booster for those wearing the armor and terrifying for those that are emptying magazines at them just to see the ammo bounce off them like many running tanks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > spacing
        > falling for the graphene meme
        You moronic Black folk are posting in a slide thread.

        https://i.imgur.com/vs0qpmJ.jpeg

        sheeeit, I'm doing graphene-infused fiberglass leg armor tonight. looks like freakin' carbon fiber, right?

        (has some other largely carbon-based "special sauce" too... and some tungsten disulfide)

        You realize that adding graphene (graphite) flakes to your adhesive won't improve performance, right anon?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Probably need rifle-sized shaped charge explosive ammo to defeat full coverage graphene armor effectively, but even current ammo should be effective enough at debilitating the wearer with continuous shots to the chest or head, and joints would still be vulnerable. There's also good old artillery and FPV drones. For a short period in time, though, we might see knight-like soldiers with a serious edge against other light infantry elements, particularly in urban fighting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          so fricking gyrojets?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >20mm underslung hesh rounds

    Problem solved

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    sweet, needs an exoskeleton and an mg 338
    the visor should have aim assist and a minimap

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't that stuff super toxic if it gets into you?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how would it fair against energy weapons?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in general, very excellently because of the high melting/boiling point. but it also absorbs a lot of energy due to being dark, so some kind of reflective maybe aluminized coating may be necessary to better withstand those, like they do to fiberglass for aircraft firefighters

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Needs few generations of improvements

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i find the idea of wearing a powersuit kinda closterphobic also imagine the heat and feeling of itchiness when your out there. I just find the idea of not being alble to scratch your skin hard

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remeber these same threads about carbon nanotubes and power armor 10 years ago.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >can stop 50 cal
    1. Source
    2. 50 BMG?
    3. 50 BMG what, ball? Black tip?
    4. 50 BMG isn't even a very good armor penetrator, if cheap, lightweight, highly effective armor covering large amounts of the body were to become a thing, you would just design a smaller bore, high velocity high SD bullet with a DU or W penetrator that would blow right through it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > 50 BMG isn't even a very good armor penetrator
      .50 BMG ball will penetrate most Level 4 armor plates, and .50 BMG blacktip will penetrate just about all of them.
      Graphene is a meme, though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Graphene is a meme, though.

        uh...
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214785320315984
        >The equivalent stresses, total deformation, maximum principal stress and directional velocity of the vests and bullet are investigated and the results show a significant increase in the ballistic performance of vests reinforced with graphene laminates.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > S. Vignesh, R. Surendran, T. Sekar, B. Rajeswari
          > Department of Mechanical Engineering, Government College of Technology, Coimbatore 641013, India
          > In silico study where they didn't test real graphene, but modeled some fantasy in their computer.
          lmaoooo. You're so gullible it's unreal.
          Graphene is the ultimate meme material. Its strength is completely theoretical, never proven, and there are a gorillion hucksters shilling the stuff.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't graphene pretty much super asbestos when it gets damaged?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's the big caveat to graphene. They have absolutely no idea what to do with the waste. And yeah, you definitely don't want to inhale it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You VILL wear the vax
      You VILL inhale your armor
      You VILL spin around and drop during combat

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