>top: training ground in China. >bottom: Taiwan presidential palace

>top: training ground in China
>bottom: Taiwan presidential palace
is it useful from a training standpoint to perfectly replicate a real location, or is this just posturing?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bugs will copy anything. 0 innovation

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek

      https://i.imgur.com/wv0mdpz.png

      Yea I mean, wth is this guy really as big as a house? Doubt

      Lost

      [...]

      Checked

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A little of both. Training sites and exercises are just as much a form of posturing as they are retaining capability.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >perfectly

    Aren't buildings important for training?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      iirc, they rebuilt the taiwanese parliament building for assault trainings too.
      that place is also the where the pic related was born

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, the pic is from their OPFOR unit for brigade-size wargames that's become pretty infamous. They're at something like a 50-1 win-loss record for OPFOR because the whole purpose is for the visiting team to be judged on how they handle getting hit with absolute bullshit.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's just the footprint of a roman legion camp, both taipei and bumfrick mainland china must have been roman border towns at some point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The real answer, now that the /misc/nut gallery has had their fun, is yes, and yes.
      mock-up training locales are very much a thing ranging from replicating large ships to landmark building and locations. It's not common but it's a well understood way to prep a force for specific situations. US Army has a collection of faux villages set up like ones in Afghanistan, Iraq, and etc. they specifically mocked up parts of Mosul before invading for example
      The other answer is that the PLA are perfectly well aware that everything they do out of doors is scrutinized and/or public domain thanks to satellite imagery, and they do this kind of shit specifically to show off. Doesn't mean they are planning an invasion, any more than them blowing up a replica US Navy ship in the middle of nowhere means they're planning an attack on PACOM. It means they want us to know, that they know, as much as we do, about the various details regarding strategic interests. It's also low-rent, with a few prefab buildings and a bulldozer/grader a squad could knock this out in 24 hours flat, and take it down just as fast.
      it's showboating that costs them basically nothing

      >just the footprint of a roman legion camp
      kekkled

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean the US and basically every other country has similar camps, they're used for urban warfare training.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the one by Pendleton iirc is pretty creative. there's a kill room with a couch that's hollowed out covering a hole in the floor where a dude with a machine gun can hide and is pretty much guaranteed "kills"

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    implessive

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >waterslide
    Based bugmen, putting some r and r in their training course.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      L and L you mean

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is it useful from a training standpoint to perfectly replicate a real location
    For very high-value targets in somewhat-known locations, the US will sometimes do nutty shit for kill houses like using old blueprints, recon with wallhax, and inference from mobile phone data to completely reconstruct the floorplan of the building to be stormed.

    >or is this just posturing?
    This question is probably independent from the utility of the thing. China's CQB training is still atrocious, from literally everything we have ever seen to date. They could have done this for the psyop value. They probably use their models in the desert of US ships for practical value but that's for aviation & missile tech so it's a somewhat separate concern.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >China's CQB training is still atrocious, from literally everything we have ever seen to date.
      The Western mind can't comprehend the tactical brilliance of constantly muzzle sweeping your own guys and going in one by one like mooks from a kung fu movie. China numbah wan indeed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the tactical brilliance of constantly muzzle sweeping your own guys and going in one by one like mooks from a kung fu movie
        The US has been kicking doors for quite some time now, China never has.
        They're literally working this shit out as they go, it's going to be hit & miss and if the PLA has anyway sense (debatable) then they'll let some of their commanders frick around and work out what works and what doesn't.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adding to that, more succinctly: CQB is not a thing you want to do if you can avoid it. But when you have to do it, you want to put all the information you have available on the table. Then you can choose to discard it, but only then. Different runs of the same scenario, under different information asymmetries, can yield completely different outcomes. An example of this is when you aren't sure of hostage/badguy ratios.

      >perfectly

      Aren't buildings important for training?

      It's plausible enough that the thing could be under construction or used for some specific shit like helicopter insertion drills where the presence of buildings does nothing but get more ankles broken.

      The implausible part would be the notion that the kill houses are built to any useful spec. Example: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60674434

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's plausible enough that the thing could be under construction or used for some specific shit like helicopter insertion drills where the presence of buildings does nothing but get more ankles broken.
        I'd think you'd at least need the street grid to be accurate for that to be of any value, though. This looks to be built on a much smaller scale and there are whole streets missing as well as shapes that are totally wrong

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea I mean, wth is this guy really as big as a house? Doubt

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's Big Joe, he's legitimately a big dude.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              WW

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >x marks the spot
            What are they hiding there?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Pirate gold, duh

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              cache of white rhino horn aphrodisiacs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think there's some sort of glass dome over him, maybe it's like a big magnifying glass?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Makes sense why they get called bugs then!

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chang, you've been seething for decades. Do something or frick off.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    rehearsal is very helpful for all kinds of performances
    but the bugs are leaning into it way too hard
    they think they can plan for everything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do the same exercise for 6 years
      >Finally execute the exercise in the field
      >One thing goes wrong
      >What the frick this wasn't in the plan, what do we do now?
      >Who's taking charge?
      >You?
      >Me?
      >I can take control if no one takes over but I would actually prefer if someone else did
      >I know, I'll call someone who can take charge
      >Are we still going to eat lunch at the agreed time?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        time to ilon oul dless shilts in Taipei aftel just a couple houls

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PLA UN mission veterans deployed to seize presidential palace as they are the only troops with combat experience, one thing doesnt go exactly like the mockup and propaganda said
        suddenly 'why die for taipei' is trending on chinkbook

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The exercises can include failures and backups in it anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hmmm yes they can, but do you think the bugs DO?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They’ve been caught doing these mock ups since 2015

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Chinese are good at copying things without understanding the utility of copying. Their psychology treats smart decisions of others like talismans, without examining the logic of the "why". I'm sure when and if the Americans do this, it adds real value to an operation. The Chinese ostensibly do it for similar reasons, while internally, in their minds, it's a psyop for themselves. Wouldn't be surprised if they subconsciously believe it gives them some power over the enemy's spirit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most people won’t understand this. Took Chinese in high-school. Traveled there. Fricked one and live around a lot of them. This is a real thing with Chinese culture. It even affects the super genius kids coming here for top level universities and it’s a byproduct of their top down system. (And not just the communist one, historically China has had these types of top down systems). Of course for those reading my response who think I’m agreeing with the colorful language of talismans etc. I’m not, but it’s almost religious their worship of hierarchical rule. Anyone who thinks for themselves gets squashed

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They made a mock up of a US aircraft carrier too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stupid chinks, aircraft carriers go in the water!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >land carriers
      >no need to pave an landing strip
      i feel like their are some niche cases where this could work (assuming you have air superiority)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>no need to pave an landing strip
        Still need to pave a road or lay tracks

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rule of cool but too vulnerable tbf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It'd be more useful if the track curved.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      one thing I can't wait to see when China inevitably chimps out about Taiwan is what the nuke plants on a Nimitz can really do when the ship goes into "oh shit evade" mode.
      Like full ass heeling over in a 40kt turn.

      That is until the chang ASBMs prove easy to knock out of the sky and they just keep up with flight ops regardless.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just imagine a carrier drifting at an unimaginable speed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently the Chinese plan to invade Kharak

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC, the SAS had an accurate multi-story mockup of the Iranian Embassy built so they could train for rescuing the hostages. There's value to these things if they're done well. L

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if they're done well
      So not like this. Gotcha

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had enough intelligence on the place that when one trooper flew through a window on like the 2nd or 3rd level, he was able to, in a gas mask, identify two dudes dressed in civilian clothing apart, yell at the civilian by name to get away from the other one, who was a terrorist, and then shoot the terrorist.

      Those dudes are built different.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One got tangled in his rope, severely burnt his leg, got cut free, fell onto a balcony and STILL went in and did his duty. Fricking based

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >perfect
    They didn't even get the street layout right. It's a Wish.com version.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2027 boys that’s Xi’s expectation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2027
      pushed out to 2035 or 2040 at the last PRC conference. DoD still says theater parity is possible (on paper) by 2030

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would it be particularly useful when it does not accuratly represent the terrain around the roads?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I decoded the message

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shiiieeeeeeeet

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i don't see the point in doing the road layout
    i would assume you would want the entire thing, something resembling baladia, pic related
    just with the buildings there

    unless it's for missile guidance or something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      maybe they're developing drones that perform geolocation by identifying street networks

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        urban TERCOM? sounds cool

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is it useful from a training standpoint to perfectly replicate a real location, or is this just posturing?

    It's probably training to try and pull of a Blue House Raid.
    Bombing the place would be plan b and probably happen regardless but the intent would be for a raid as a decapitation strike prior to any declaration of war (if they even do one at all).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid
    Casualties and losses
    30 killed (26 South Koreans, 4 Americans)
    66 wounded

    Norks:
    29 killed and/or committed suicide
    1 captured
    1 fled

    Whatever else you want to say about that raid, it wasn't unambitious and it came closer to succeeding than anyone would be comfortable with.

    The whole thing seems sensible enough to me. Their invasion ambitions are stupid but training for an alpha strike at the enemy leader isn't.
    US has built many such places, usually on a smaller scale but China likes to do everything bigger.
    The UBL raid had such a place built for it.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What?

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