Too much for home defense?

Been looking to get pic related in 10mm for home defense. Is it too much, even if I have to worry about doped-up homeless people?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's literally the most moronic shit you could've chosen. Just get a 9mm, AR-15 or shotgun.
    >muh stopping powah
    when it comes to handguns is almost a complete meme. If you want something more than 9mm, get a 5.56, .300 AAC or shotgun (20 or 12 gauge)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      here, I made a definitive and scientific chart for you "visual" learners.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >5.56
        >stopping power
        LAMO

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Helped Kyle Rittenhouse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            who?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all of my gunfighting knowledge comes from kenosha

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              now post the chudjak version

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Helped Kyle Rittenhouse

          As soon as I saw this post I knew someone would bring up Kyle. Do people not get that even dinky pistol cartridges can kill people with one shot, or that they can create ugly wounds depending on how the bullet fragments/deflects off bone?

          But luck is a factor there. The reason people say that 5.56mm has some stopping power deficits has to do with its use across tons of cases — no one denies it can be instantly lethal or cause major wounds. But the number one complaint against the M249 is that it didn't seem to but enemies down quickly. This was also the number one complaint against the M1 carbine, even though .30 can obviously be quite lethal.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the thing with the military as an example is that they use M855 which has proven time and time again to not fragment as early or reliably as other 5.56/.223 rounds. Plus as a civilian you have access to softpoints and hollow points that the military doesn't use.

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >source: trust me bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you add a 40mm for reference?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sure thing bud

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/YSdDXnI.png

        sure thing bud

        self check
        double trips means these charts are truth

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (You) will NEVER be in a home defense situation you paranoid sperg. Stop worrying and enjoy life

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will enjoy my life while frick(ing) ya mudda

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro, just stop locking your doors and live your best life!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get a short barrel rifle. While 10mm is at the top of the pistol calibers for performance, intermediate rounds are still better.

      Unironically, have a nice day.
      I'm not being cute. The world, and everyone you know, would be better off without you.
      Seriously. have a nice day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unless you have roving gangs of hobos committing home invasions in groups then yes it is too much.
      Just get a handgun.
      And if you actually have roving gangs of home invading hobos get a high reliablity semi-automatic shotgun like Benelli M4 because against multiple targets in an enclosed space you want to one-tap them

      For home defense all you need is an axe or a sword

      who?

      >all of my gunfighting knowledge comes from kenosha

      Look at this pathetic leftist cope. Holy shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >leftists
        >being pro weapons
        Ur moronic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >telling people they don't need a gun
          *U're

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    plastic guns are not good for the environment

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you have roving gangs of hobos committing home invasions in groups then yes it is too much.
    Just get a handgun.
    And if you actually have roving gangs of home invading hobos get a high reliablity semi-automatic shotgun like Benelli M4 because against multiple targets in an enclosed space you want to one-tap them

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No it’s not too much get it

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gun looks scary
    The jury will declare you're a murderer for using an assault rifle on a poor downtrodden child

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP I approve
    rock that shit
    frick the haters

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly about a plastic PCC with a meme bolt design and horrible control placement is “too much”?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The price you pay for it

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have a duty size .38 special you will be good on home defense in most situations. But having more is always better.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For home defense all you need is an axe or a sword

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >8 pound piece of shit jam o matic semi auto smg
    It's always the morons that see these guns in cawadoody and buy them. Just get an AR with HP or frangible ammo.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it too much
    Too much what, anon? It's a pistol. It's just as effective as any other pistol, which is to say not very good compared to a long gun. And it's also really expensive.
    A basic b***h AR or pump shotty costs a fraction of this and is a much better HD tool.

    You absolutely could use the vector as an HD tool, and with the brace/stock it gives you 3 points of contact for good control like a long gun, but it's going to be costly to train with in 10mm

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10mm out a 6.5" barrel with a decent load will certainly do ok as home defense, but a proper long gun would do even better, and then do more to boot. Not like 10mm is even cheap ammo. You're paying a huge premium for something designed to be an SMG that you don't actually get select fire for, and for looks. Keep in mind Vector pictures are deceptive, it's a BIG pistol (for you), seriously the thing is over 24" long for a 5.5" or 6.5" barrel. And that's with paying the SBR tax and BS. A proper SBR would do way more for that money.

      >It's just as effective as any other pistol
      I suppose technically it'll be mildly better, same as any PCC vs a pistol, stocks really do help control guns a lot. And it'll have a longer barrel then most, which 9mm can't do a lot with but would make a difference for 10mm. But $2000 towards any long gun, including SBRs, would slaughter it. Which is part of why the SMG niche has been shrinking anyway.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I suppose technically it'll be mildly better, same as any PCC vs a pistol, stocks really do help control guns a lot
        Yeah, agreed. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. I meant that ballistically it would be as effective as any other pistol round. Yeah it will pick up some more energy from a bit longer barrel but not enough to compete with a rifle or a shotgun. In terms of control it would be much better than a handgun since it's got the stock/brace. But like you said the Vector is both heavy and expensive, you could get a much more capable SBR for that budget.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get it.

    You’re trying to justify it because you think the gun looks cool. I’ll be honest, there are a lot of cheaper, more “practical” options. That being said, I love my vector, and it’s probably what I’ll whip out if there’s a “home defense” scenario. It’s been extremely reliable suppressed, and 45 ACP means I never have to worry about the ammo being supersonic

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dont. Your home defense weapon should be reliable but most importantly CHEAP because youre gonna lose it in any home defense scenario.
    That versions expensive and you gotta do all the paperwork and extra $200 to sbr it.
    Lotta $$$ and effort gone when you can do better for half the cost or less. Guns like that are range toys not much else.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but most importantly CHEAP because youre gonna lose it in any home defense scenario.
      This is easily one of the most absolutely fricktarded fuddlore memes in existence and instantly means you're a moron about everything. In the insanely unlikely case any of us ever needs to use one of our guns to defend our lives/property, who the frick cares if the thing cost $10k and literally instantly dissolved to dust right afterwards? It already served the highest best possible purpose it ever could in our lives. You can't take any of it with you. If there is one time not to hold back if it'd give you even 0.01% better chances that'd be it.

      Not that you'll lose it anyway in a good shoot, might go into evidence for awhile but you'll get it back afterwards, or can sue for it. But it doesn't matter anyway.

      OP is still a homosexual but damn if you aren't trying had to outdo him.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A 10mm PCC is super badass.
    It's a totally cool range toy and weapn.
    There are, however, 3 main drawbacks:
    1. A primary benefit of the PCC is as a suppressor host and 9mm suppressors are more common. 9mm subsonics are more common. 10mm power lies in supersonics, subs being more or less the equivalent of .45acp.
    2. 10mm's place isn't really for self defense. Though it will obviously work great for that, it's more for backpacking around dangerous animals and lugging around a PCC/PDW to protect yourself against black bear and mountain lion isn't a good idea. It's a lot of added weight and bulk but more likely than not you'll have it stowed in a pack. A Glock 20 in a holster is more accessible and more useful if you get surprised.
    3. PDW's are great high volume plinking toys and the added cost of 10mm over 9mm is going to drastically reduce how fun or practical that is to do.

    So, while I love 10mm, sincerely, if you want a PDW/PCC a 9mm makes more sense.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's a massive waste of plastic for such a small barrel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That's a massive waste of plastic for such a small barrel.
      >plastic
      lol that's the thing it's most metal not plastic, and as a result that fricker weighs SEVEN POUNDS. imagine getting a pcc with a 5.5" barrel more like a fricking battle rifle in weight. that new dt bullpup in 308 "only" weights 7.38 lbs, and rifle version with 16" barrel is shorter than a rifle vector lmao.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    plan on police keeping whatever you used

    >muh pump 12g shitgun
    ^^^^^becomes more relevant when you have 30k in firearms and jury will procreate a reason they're not yours anymore

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Anons b***hing about SBR costs
    >Picrel is clearly braced
    Bootlickers, the lot of you.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Id love one of these. I didn’t realize some of them could be gotten brand new for under $700 either. Though, and someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but idk if you can get this configuration (the ideal one here with the short barrel and side folding stock) without paying for that $200 sbr/pcc tax stamp that disallowed stocks with short barrels. The vector is less appealing if I’ve got an extra 6-8 inches of barrel coming out of the front.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically one of the worst guns on the civilian market.
    >size of an SBR
    >power of a pistol
    It has the worst qualities of a rifle when compared to a pistol, the worst qualities of a pistol when compared to a rifle, and only minimal return on any benefits of either. The extreme front-heaviness makes it slower to aim, the awkward reciprocating mass actually hurts recoil management in semi-auto, and the trigger fricking sucks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >size of an SBR
      >power of a pistol
      not really that bad of a combo for home defense. Speaking generally of SBR/pistol PCCs rather than the vector specifically. You get the accuracy/stability of a rifle without the report and concussive effect of a short barrelled rifle (as in an actual rifle, not PCC). 9mm is still plenty capable of killing people dead and you get way more practical accuracy with it in a rifle format.

      And there's a pretty serious economic benefit if you're not going to have any other guns in 5.56/.223 since 9mm is currently half the price of 5.56/.223 and it means you can just stockpile 9mm and have ammo for both handguns and your HD long gun.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People arguing over caliber minmaxing are missing the point. It will stop a home invader just fine and you obviously like it for cool factor. I don't know of any major concerns with reliability etc for the Kriss. Get it, train with it, enjoy it, get some full power 10mm hollow points and function check them in the gun. Fill a stendo mag with the rest. Gaze upon your space gun with pride and fondle it at home.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vectors have extraction issues on some calibers, but replacing the spring with something heavier fixes it.

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