How does nearly weightless feathers stabilize a heavy arrowhead? How does the as-light-as-possible tail on an old prop fighter stabilize the humongous engine up front?
In the meanwhile - how effective is mine used like that? All i see is cheap / free, but everything else seems like downside.
Doesn't it have some form of shaped charge? Wouldn't it be more effective to cut pieces out of it and cover in some shrapnel? And other weight saving methods. If you drop it on tank does it have enough pure bang to destroy it?
When it's falling down, the bottle can't resist the airflow coming past the mine, and because it's connected to the mine and less heavy, it'll keep it upright.
Or, looking at it from a different perspective, the airflow coming past the mine pushes the bottle in an upright position from all sides, stabilizing it.
The fact that it's hollow, filled with air and light makes it easier to be stabilized, not harder.
>gurg make fun explosive frisby longer with stick >heavy tilt down >drag object work like parachute and make counter force "pull up" >just like 500lb bomb has only tiny wing for drag
Very interesting, is that a mortar round tail end and is that also there for stabilization (seems unlikely since it's off center) or is it taking advantage of some sort of arming and/or fusing mechanism in it?
Apparently that water bottle set up is an anti-clearence device that makes the mine go off when they attempt to remove it. I have literally no idea how it's supposed to work because no gay that actually knows how will tell anyone. So instead we just keep seeing the pic and asking each other. It's been going on for at least a week.
War is always the domain of nerd, bucko. Jock are meatshield. Meanwhile the true King is Engineers. From siege engine, cannon and artilleries. All made by the nerd. The weapon that winning the war.
We were HELPING Ukraine, don't you understand? Before we came, they scraped by on watermelons and grain exports! We brought them our oligarchy, we brought them our orthodox Christianity, we brought them our gay sex, and what kind of gratefulness did we receive in turn? A lawless rabble of crypto-fascists and eco-terrorists, joining forces with you NATO trannies to bomb our bridges and terrorize our law-abiding citizens! You should be THANKING us for what we did!
The jocks are for all the actual fighting. But the engineers and weapons designers who make it possible are all 150lb nerds who got bullied too much in high school. That's basically how it's always been. Look at Oppenheimer
Not true in all cases. We have evidence higher IQ people died more often in ww2 because those were the guys manning the things you really wanna shoot.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289608001633
WW1 didn't have IQ datasets, but university students died more often as well. (The death rate among combat troops was 14%, for comparison) >Oxford lost 19% >Cambridge lost 18% >Manchester and Glasgow lost 17%.
Anon, having 7kg of TNT dropped on your vehicle is the equivalent of a direct hit by a HE 155/152mm shell.
It's a guaranteed total zigger death for an IFV/APC crew, and a guaranteed mission kill on an MBT, stripping it clean of anything, tearing away hatches, blasting through optics, likely causing major spalling inside (there's only so much a liner can stop) and turning the crew's brains into mush from the concussive wave.
It's 7kg of tnt, it doesn't create a whole lot of shrapnel, probs can't add more because weight limitations. It's still better than dropping a brick.
Forgot to add: the only reason this doesn't happen to an MBT when it drives over the mine is that these are essentially glancing hits, tearing away road wheels and treads, but staying away from the crew compartment.
AT mines that are fitted with anti-bottom fuzes (stalks) are extremely deadly and feared among tankers.
The shaped charge ones are even worse in that they're absolutely guaranteed to ensure overpressure by compromising the hull rather than just being highly likely through a big HE charge.
not him but iv seen this come up in several threads and never once has anyone been able to tell us. They just say "figure it out" well we can't and no one seems to want to explain it.
Literally not one person in ant thread with that pic has been able to explain what it is and how it works.
Why are you such massive gays, your supposed to take the opportunity to share information, inform, teach not fucking gatekeep it. Cunt.
>Literally not one person in ant thread with that pic has been able to explain what it is and how it works
maybe you should have used the given evidence and put 2+2 together instead of demanding others do it for you
moron if you can't comprehend how a long stick with a hollow plastic can on one end is gonna stabilize a heavy ass thing in flight, your high school physics teacher already gatekept you.
As someone who actually understands how fin stabilization works, no it is not high school physics. It is quite a complicated phenomenon and only intuitive because we see examples everywhere from a young age. For the record, drag stabilization (as in this case) is much less effective than fin stabilization. Leading me to believe that isn't its purpose.
>eading me to believe that isn't its purpose.
It is. You don't need to stabilize it effectively, you just need it to fall the correct side down, more or less.
These larger units with many rotors is not what people imagine from the drone footage. The FPV drones can be pretty small and cheaply available, but these larger drones for carrying heavier loads are more expensive and a larger target as well.
>Aren't anti tank mines shaped charges?
Usually no, there is no point in using a shaped charge against a track.
There are AT mines designed to blow up under the bottom of the tank using a stalk fuze, but not this one. >Or are they just a shitton more RDX compared to antipersonnel?
There's literally 17 lbs of TNT inside, it's the equivalent of dropping a HE 155mm shell on something, just without the frag efect.
I saw some footage of a very large explosion from a small drone projectile. It had to be TNT or some kind of concentrated high explosive.
If the drone has a one-way trip, you can maximize the distance, payload, and stress on the motors before it inevitably self-destructs.
Using TNT or concentrated plastic explosive allows you to deliver an immense amount of firepower, as compared to dropping standard infantry grenades.
The entire tactic is characteristic of guerrilla tactics and improvised weaponry, which I have read was the MO of Stepan Bandera.
These larger units with many rotors is not what people imagine from the drone footage. The FPV drones can be pretty small and cheaply available, but these larger drones for carrying heavier loads are more expensive and a larger target as well.
There is a lot going on behind the scenes that does not show up on the drone footage. It reminds me of those little factories in Syria and other guerrilla style Middle Eastern insurgencies where they manufacture improvised weapons such as IEDs and mortars. It is rumored that is where the idea of these grenade quadcopters came from.
>It is rumored that is where the idea of these grenade quadcopters came from.
There are literally videos of drones dropping VOG / F1 / RG4 grenades in Syria back in the early 2010s, Anon...
I don't pretend to know everything. That footage is obscure to the secondhand sources I received about the Syrian drone grenades, and the Syrian Civil War itself is still treated by the media like it isn't happening at all.
I wonder if these people taking the StGs out of the crates realized they were looking at the equivalent of >$13,000 per gun if they managed to go through middlemen and export these to the gun-friendlier parts of yurop (no US because lol 922r).
My question is how effective this will be on impact. Aren't anti tank mines shaped charges? Or are they just a shitton more RDX compared to antipersonnel? If it's just the latter, carry on.
>Aren't anti tank mines shaped charges?
Usually no, there is no point in using a shaped charge against a track.
There are AT mines designed to blow up under the bottom of the tank using a stalk fuze, but not this one. >Or are they just a shitton more RDX compared to antipersonnel?
There's literally 17 lbs of TNT inside, it's the equivalent of dropping a HE 155mm shell on something, just without the frag efect.
I wish that pic was translated to English. I'm quite curious as to what it says.
You can use yandex's translation website for this, without any apps or accounts. Just drop an image onto the translation page and it will do the OCR and translation automatically.
IDK why google translate's webpage doesn't do this. Oh wait, yes I do. Because google wants you to install their botnet app.
I'm not phoneposting, I'm computer posting. I go to the google lens website and I'm met with this page telling me to download an app. I'm not going to do that, I'm not even on a phone so why is it telling me about a phone app?
How do I use this shit in my browser?
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Literally just google reverse image search and click translate.
really depends on what the desired effect is. 15 pounds of TNT is a lot of explosives. is it worth it to add a whole bunch of weight to the payload when you could just switch to a handful of DPICM that you stole out of a 155mm shell? I'm sure you could put pre-scored plates on the front and back, but really I don't think the fragmentation would bring a lot to the party.
Stabilization
how is like a 3 ounce water bottle going to stabilize a 17 pound mine?
airflow
How does nearly weightless feathers stabilize a heavy arrowhead? How does the as-light-as-possible tail on an old prop fighter stabilize the humongous engine up front?
Magic.
In the meanwhile - how effective is mine used like that? All i see is cheap / free, but everything else seems like downside.
Doesn't it have some form of shaped charge? Wouldn't it be more effective to cut pieces out of it and cover in some shrapnel? And other weight saving methods. If you drop it on tank does it have enough pure bang to destroy it?
>Doesn't it have some form of shaped charge?
No, it's literally a 7.5 kg TNT charge stuffed in a thin metal case.
>some form of shaped charge
shaped charges need some distance to form that penetrating molten metal jet.
mines are just explosives.
>molten
anon please
When it's falling down, the bottle can't resist the airflow coming past the mine, and because it's connected to the mine and less heavy, it'll keep it upright.
Or, looking at it from a different perspective, the airflow coming past the mine pushes the bottle in an upright position from all sides, stabilizing it.
The fact that it's hollow, filled with air and light makes it easier to be stabilized, not harder.
picrel
>gurg make fun explosive frisby longer with stick
>heavy tilt down
>drag object work like parachute and make counter force "pull up"
>just like 500lb bomb has only tiny wing for drag
use your brian moran
Ngl (you) gotta chuckle outta me with your subtle yet s-tier bait
Brian the research intern is on leave, also how did you know it was me?
how do you type out words without drowning in your own saliva?
Like a feather and shit
Very interesting, is that a mortar round tail end and is that also there for stabilization (seems unlikely since it's off center) or is it taking advantage of some sort of arming and/or fusing mechanism in it?
oh shit you're right, that does look like a little 3d printed arming mechanism.
Apparently that water bottle set up is an anti-clearence device that makes the mine go off when they attempt to remove it. I have literally no idea how it's supposed to work because no gay that actually knows how will tell anyone. So instead we just keep seeing the pic and asking each other. It's been going on for at least a week.
lol, just noticed
>U.S.S. ENTERPRISE
>NCC-0001
I fucking HATE nerds so fucking much, War used to be the domain of Men. Now what to do we have? a bunch of gameboys playing with their wiis
Well I love it.
War is always the domain of nerd, bucko. Jock are meatshield. Meanwhile the true King is Engineers. From siege engine, cannon and artilleries. All made by the nerd. The weapon that winning the war.
>t. Gul Dukat
We were HELPING Ukraine, don't you understand? Before we came, they scraped by on watermelons and grain exports! We brought them our oligarchy, we brought them our orthodox Christianity, we brought them our gay sex, and what kind of gratefulness did we receive in turn? A lawless rabble of crypto-fascists and eco-terrorists, joining forces with you NATO trannies to bomb our bridges and terrorize our law-abiding citizens! You should be THANKING us for what we did!
Nintendies blew up a bunch of strategic bombers with a shoebox while hardasses are catching lead in ditches.
The jocks are for all the actual fighting. But the engineers and weapons designers who make it possible are all 150lb nerds who got bullied too much in high school. That's basically how it's always been. Look at Oppenheimer
Not true in all cases. We have evidence higher IQ people died more often in ww2 because those were the guys manning the things you really wanna shoot.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289608001633
WW1 didn't have IQ datasets, but university students died more often as well. (The death rate among combat troops was 14%, for comparison)
>Oxford lost 19%
>Cambridge lost 18%
>Manchester and Glasgow lost 17%.
https://theconversation.com/how-world-war-i-changed-british-universities-forever-106104
>Domain of men.
lol, you forgot who build your siege engine to take down large castle walls
Get in the hole you fucking boot, you have bullets to catch. Meanwhile, me and the boys got ammo dumps to blow from our desktops.
I will rape you in the date vape.
Does the orientation of the mine matter in this case, does it keep its anti tank role or is it just another pink mobik mist generator
It's 7kg of tnt, it doesn't create a whole lot of shrapnel, probs can't add more because weight limitations. It's still better than dropping a brick.
Anon, having 7kg of TNT dropped on your vehicle is the equivalent of a direct hit by a HE 155/152mm shell.
It's a guaranteed total zigger death for an IFV/APC crew, and a guaranteed mission kill on an MBT, stripping it clean of anything, tearing away hatches, blasting through optics, likely causing major spalling inside (there's only so much a liner can stop) and turning the crew's brains into mush from the concussive wave.
Forgot to add: the only reason this doesn't happen to an MBT when it drives over the mine is that these are essentially glancing hits, tearing away road wheels and treads, but staying away from the crew compartment.
AT mines that are fitted with anti-bottom fuzes (stalks) are extremely deadly and feared among tankers.
The shaped charge ones are even worse in that they're absolutely guaranteed to ensure overpressure by compromising the hull rather than just being highly likely through a big HE charge.
The Forbidden Frisbee
So nice of the ukies to send the mines back to their original owners. They were even generous enough to add some extras.
>what's the water bottle for?
if you cant figure this out yourself then your retarded
not him but iv seen this come up in several threads and never once has anyone been able to tell us. They just say "figure it out" well we can't and no one seems to want to explain it.
Literally not one person in ant thread with that pic has been able to explain what it is and how it works.
Why are you such massive gays, your supposed to take the opportunity to share information, inform, teach not fucking gatekeep it. Cunt.
>Literally not one person in ant thread with that pic has been able to explain what it is and how it works
maybe you should have used the given evidence and put 2+2 together instead of demanding others do it for you
You don’t know yourself.
>not fucking gatekeep it
moron if you can't comprehend how a long stick with a hollow plastic can on one end is gonna stabilize a heavy ass thing in flight, your high school physics teacher already gatekept you.
As someone who actually understands how fin stabilization works, no it is not high school physics. It is quite a complicated phenomenon and only intuitive because we see examples everywhere from a young age. For the record, drag stabilization (as in this case) is much less effective than fin stabilization. Leading me to believe that isn't its purpose.
>eading me to believe that isn't its purpose.
It is. You don't need to stabilize it effectively, you just need it to fall the correct side down, more or less.
My guess ist that the wheel is spinning while dropping and thus arming the mine. Like bombs in WW2.
mines get thirsty too
What a stupid question. Hydration, obviously. Dropping mines on cunts is thirsty work.
Retards, these have already been seen in action. The water bottle is definitely for stabilization.
These larger units with many rotors is not what people imagine from the drone footage. The FPV drones can be pretty small and cheaply available, but these larger drones for carrying heavier loads are more expensive and a larger target as well.
I saw some footage of a very large explosion from a small drone projectile. It had to be TNT or some kind of concentrated high explosive.
If the drone has a one-way trip, you can maximize the distance, payload, and stress on the motors before it inevitably self-destructs.
Using TNT or concentrated plastic explosive allows you to deliver an immense amount of firepower, as compared to dropping standard infantry grenades.
The entire tactic is characteristic of guerrilla tactics and improvised weaponry, which I have read was the MO of Stepan Bandera.
Retard
There is a lot going on behind the scenes that does not show up on the drone footage. It reminds me of those little factories in Syria and other guerrilla style Middle Eastern insurgencies where they manufacture improvised weapons such as IEDs and mortars. It is rumored that is where the idea of these grenade quadcopters came from.
>It is rumored that is where the idea of these grenade quadcopters came from.
There are literally videos of drones dropping VOG / F1 / RG4 grenades in Syria back in the early 2010s, Anon...
I don't pretend to know everything. That footage is obscure to the secondhand sources I received about the Syrian drone grenades, and the Syrian Civil War itself is still treated by the media like it isn't happening at all.
this was the most epic syrian invention, remote controlled stg-44 in 2013
I wonder if these people taking the StGs out of the crates realized they were looking at the equivalent of >$13,000 per gun if they managed to go through middlemen and export these to the gun-friendlier parts of yurop (no US because lol 922r).
cheese delivery
My question is how effective this will be on impact. Aren't anti tank mines shaped charges? Or are they just a shitton more RDX compared to antipersonnel? If it's just the latter, carry on.
>Aren't anti tank mines shaped charges?
Usually no, there is no point in using a shaped charge against a track.
There are AT mines designed to blow up under the bottom of the tank using a stalk fuze, but not this one.
>Or are they just a shitton more RDX compared to antipersonnel?
There's literally 17 lbs of TNT inside, it's the equivalent of dropping a HE 155mm shell on something, just without the frag efect.
I wish that pic was translated to English. I'm quite curious as to what it says.
Just use Google Lens, Anon.
You can get a plugin that lets you reverse search and translate any pic in like 5 seconds total.
>botnet app
You can use yandex's translation website for this, without any apps or accounts. Just drop an image onto the translation page and it will do the OCR and translation automatically.
IDK why google translate's webpage doesn't do this. Oh wait, yes I do. Because google wants you to install their botnet app.
It's not an app you phoneposting cretin.
I'm not phoneposting, I'm computer posting. I go to the google lens website and I'm met with this page telling me to download an app. I'm not going to do that, I'm not even on a phone so why is it telling me about a phone app?
How do I use this shit in my browser?
Literally just google reverse image search and click translate.
okay that works, thank you.
>it's the equivalent of dropping a HE 155mm shell on something, just without the frag efect.
Would a frag sleeve be viable?
really depends on what the desired effect is. 15 pounds of TNT is a lot of explosives. is it worth it to add a whole bunch of weight to the payload when you could just switch to a handful of DPICM that you stole out of a 155mm shell? I'm sure you could put pre-scored plates on the front and back, but really I don't think the fragmentation would bring a lot to the party.
nobody gets the star trek reference written on the front of the mine?
Have you tried reading the tread?
silencer