Tinninitus

>go to range a handful of times with cheapo 20db earmuffs and earplugs
>flinch from gunshots next to me but get used to it after a few minutes, nobody else has an issue so I figure it's just me
>go to an outdoor range with a guy shooting an AK next to me, it's really uncomfortable
>buy 30db earmuffs
>bliss
>a week later start noticing tinninitus in quiet rooms where I didn't have it before
Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
Could something else be causing it?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah
    No

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck your off topic slide thread vatnik you’ll have a lot worse than tinnitus once the chad Ukrainians are done raping you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is an off-topic slide thread.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is astroturfing, it’s basically virtual false-flagging.
      It’s pathetic Ivan, no one is falling for it.
      They’re really not sending their best anymore

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bumping thread because of you. Go back to rebbit gay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      very organic Vanya, super cool.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based, this is what this board deservs for tollerating shills from both sides. They should've been spammed and run of the board or at least confined in a conatinment thread in the first weeks of the war.
      Now we have anons larping as FSB trolls that larp as CIA shills for obvious b8. This is the hell that we deserve.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        dumb frogposter tourist. Can't wait for Russia to get booted out entirely and melt down.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The fucking irony. Post guns, gay.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, a Shaheed 136 tread died needlessly for this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unhinged retardation is a hell of a thing.
      Dont worry your mom will check under the bed for vatmorons when she tucks you in tonight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >8 (You)'s
      You guys deserve all these Ukrainian war shills. Don't respond to bait retards

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukrainian cum chuggers at it again.
      >Inb4 N-n-nooooo its a vatmoron larperating as a CIA agent to make ukrainians look bad in a BlAtaNt false flag attack by Putler on our hearts and minds!
      Take meds. Your PrepHoleope is unbearble. You are fags. You wanted a u/k/rainian echo chamber and now you have one. Thanks for shitting in your hands and clapping on the entire boards behalf.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/30S6mPR.png

      Ukrainian cum chuggers at it again.
      >Inb4 N-n-nooooo its a vatmoron larperating as a CIA agent to make ukrainians look bad in a BlAtaNt false flag attack by Putler on our hearts and minds!
      Take meds. Your PrepHoleope is unbearble. You are fags. You wanted a u/k/rainian echo chamber and now you have one. Thanks for shitting in your hands and clapping on the entire boards behalf.

      >thread about tinnitus
      >vatmorons still find a way to seethe about Ukraine
      You can't make this shit up

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb morons been at it for days with their false flag. I think he false flag because the mods deleted his wojack spam or something. Either ways, people replying to the bait are either retards or samefags.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You people are a billion times worse than the Ukraine spammers. I have no problem with 50+ Ukraine threads. I have a big problem with gays like you trying to be "le ironic ukraine poster" trying to "fix" the board.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I have a big problem
        Oh do ya? Whoop ti do lmao you can’t do shit pussy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking of on-topic and the Ukraine war, that's another thing that's going to be a lingering source of shittiness after Ukraine wins, lots and lots of hearing loss. Not that they have any choice or anything but still too bad.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
    I doubt it, but it's not like any of us can tell you. If you're honestly worried go get a hearing test.

    >Could something else be causing it?
    Sure, it could even be psychosomatic.

    >20db muffs and plugs
    >it was still loud
    I can conclude that you don't know how to wear earplugs properly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      New guns here, what are the best muffs and how do you use it properly then?

      Hearing damage is the #1 injury of for gun people, why is this thread off topic?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hearing damage is the #1 injury of for gun people, why is this thread off topic?
        Don't listen to those gays. Lots of people like to deny this particular aspect of gun usage because it's inconveniently hard to deal with.

        >New guns here, what are the best muffs and how do you use it properly then?
        If you don't care about hearing other stuff, then the BEST thing to do is get actual custom molded earplugs. This is more work and costs a few hundred though. The next best thing is quality earplugs like Mack's:
        >https://www.macksearplugs.com/product-category/shooting-ear-plugs-earmuffs/
        Make sure to get ones properly sized for your ears, it should be a tight seal, then double up with actual for real NIOSH regulated over the ear muffs. 3M's Peltor ones are very solid there, that's what's used in worksites where there are actual consequences since OSHA and state inspectors will ream your business's asshole if you don't meet real safety standards. If you want to hear stuff and have select damping, you'll need electronic shooter earplugs or earmuffs. There are multiple decent ones there but know that those get pricey.

        The best thing of all is to fire suppressed, then add some light earpro. 20-30dB is enough even if it's not quite perfectly fitted when the gun itself has already been reduced 30-50dB. But sadly this will take 8-14 months. Still the best time to start getting a can was 14 months ago and the second best time is now.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, quality post

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Foamies are unironically the best option if you have normal sized ear canals

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Foamies are unironically the best option if you have normal sized ear canals
          The best thing honestly is to try to find a tip sampler pack and just try everything, using loud music as a guide. Ears vary a lot and some people have real trouble with one or another design. So long as they're all meeting actual standards worth going to the trouble of finding the right match, then can just buy those in bulk forever. Quality foamies are as close to universal as it gets though. But with a naked gun they should be combined with muffs.

          This is astroturfing, it’s basically virtual false-flagging.
          It’s pathetic Ivan, no one is falling for it.
          They’re really not sending their best anymore

          >They’re really not sending their best anymore
          Well, a lot of their "best" have fled the country or been conscripted. Their budgets are shrinking too. Any left that haven't been outsourced to nigeria or bots are probably pretty desperate. Like hard to imagine PrepHole PrepHole is such an important target that it'd be a surefire deferment from getting moooobilized indefinitely lol.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        El cheapo foam plugs under cheap electronic earpro like howard leights or walker razors is the combo I've used and my ears are completely fine.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          My friends laugh at me when I do this but bro 22db NRR is NOT enough to stop hearing damage when 3 12" ARs with comps are going off at the same time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't laugh anon. I've just been eee gang so long that .22lr rifles unsuppressed don't bother me. I'd double up all the time if I could do it over again.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              100% agree. For indoor ranges, I double up with foamies and 32 db NRR Peltors. Makes you feel like you're at Guantanamo but it works well.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I've just been eee gang so long that .22lr rifles unsuppressed don't bother me.
              Wait, that's supposed to bother me?
              Shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I double up, I have a nice pair of active Walker's with Bluetooth, so I can listen to synthwave when I go to the range alone. For plugs I just use normal foamies. That aughta be enough unless you're regularly shooting a .50 cal indoors.
        A touch of tinnitus is normal, in fact if you went to a lot of concerts when you were younger you might have had it already and just hadn't noticed until you started paying attention because shooting spooked ya

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >A touch of tinnitus is normal
          Is it? I don't hear any of these sounds, even in complete silence.
          I once shot a shotgun while I forgot earpro. I didn't hear any ringing at all, thought it would be worse. Maybe I just got lucky.
          I'm very thankful for that, tinnitus sounds like hell.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on the environment it was shot. The hearing impact of a shotgun in a field with a decent amount of snow will not hurt your hearing as much as a shotgun fired in concrete murder tube.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Story time, first time I ever shot a gun:
              >be me 13 years old
              >fascinated with guns
              >dad has an old Remington over/under shotgun he bought at the PX when he was in the army. Would assemble it and larp around my house sometimes.
              >find some 12g birds hot shells in his workbench in the basement.
              >idea.jpg
              >grab a bunch of scrap wood from the backyard, line it up against the basement wall.
              >grab safety goggles off the wall and put on 3 sweatshirts, because naturally that would protect me from ricochet
              >load up and aim, shitting my pants nervous
              >fire
              >complete silence
              >forgot earpro, now totally deaf
              >cleanup, disassemble gun and store back where I found it

              Deafness lasted about 30 mins, then my hearing gradually came back throughout the day. Hilarious now, but I remember being so scared on how I was going to explain my deafness to mom and dad while also depressed that I would have to learn sign language.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Glad you got better anon, fortunately as a kid we got into rockets and making homemade shoulder missile launchers to go after squirrels with so the only things we ever did was burn half our faces. Be careful going forward though of course, and I'm sorry you probably lost at least a little high frequency music enjoyment in your teens.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This was circa 1995, I'm an old fuck now. Funny in retrospect and no real lasting tinnitus, but goddamn I was a dumb kid

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This was circa 1995, I'm an old fuck now. Funny in retrospect and no real lasting tinnitus, but goddamn I was a dumb kid
                Tinnitus isn't all of hearing loss though, just one of the really unfortunate bits. You definitely destroyed some of your high frequency hearing. I mean shit, I did some too with retarded stuff though never quite that unlucky.
                >but goddamn I was a dumb kid
                A lot of us were but I do think hearing loss wasn't really taken that seriously period until recently. Or understood as widely, plus there was all this new stuff coming out, CDs were just starting to become widely available when I was 7th/8th grade I think for example, and beyond "oh fun music thing, you can have that if you earn it mowing lawns" wasn't on parent's radar as a risk. So of course we put in death metal and showed our manliness by withstanding it as loud as the thing would go and retarded shit like that.

                Also in retrospect I'm 99% sure those rocket launchers we did were superillegal under the NFA, not that any of us had the slightest idea what that was. They got fairly complicated in the end, good old estes engines that evolved into having actual warheads, the ejection charge firing smokeless taken from dad's reload stash which drove little ball bearings and shit. Experiments stopped after the "let's have 13yo us try making a liquid fueled rocket next with gasoline and propane" didn't go so good and we moved on. Kind of wish I still had photos of some of our creations, we did all sorts of fun fiberglass and metal stuff and everything. Kind of glad I don't and neither does anybody else. Unlike today's youth my childhood is safely gone forever with no record left beyond loving parent's albums which don't show certain important aspects and that aren't online.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like you were a fun kid anon, wish I would have known you when we were both in middle school. Estes rockets were the best, kind of funny that we don't hear about them more on /k.
                And yes, you're right I probably lost some of my high frequency hearing. Just been normal for me for so long that I don't realize what's gone. Got two little kids of my own now and God I hope they aren't as reckless as I was growing up.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, we can do better in some ways now. I learned on the same old 22 as my father, but for my kids I've gone to the (sadly major) trouble of getting suppressors for everything. I have them wear earpro too, but if they ever make a mistake or have bad fit or anything suppressed 22lr or even 223 is a lot more forgiving. Earpro and respirator was one of my basic reqs for using my own wood/metal shop, etc. They can still fuck around and have fun like I did, but they can have things safer in ways that don't affect that which I feel like is a concrete good. We just know better, and it's so much easier to get or learn about certain gear than in the 80s/90s.

                Of course there are all new threats too which sucks. When I was young near Canada border in NE it still got to 30-40 below zero every year, winters were good and consistent, and as a result I don't think I ever got a single tick despite spending so much time cruising around the woods. Mosquitos were itchy irritations, not carriers of deadly disease. Now it's a huge issue. You can get permethrin impregnated clothing and better repellents and learn to do buddy checks, but still I wish my kids could just decide to go running off in the woods doing whatever without having to worry about gearing up so much.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How old are you?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Mid 20s why?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well because I'm late 30s and most guys I know say they have some mild tinnitus, like of they're in a really quiet room they can hear it but not anything major. Hearing damage is cumulative, so the older you get the more it piles up.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm in my late 30s too. I've got nothing, nor anybody else I know. This isn't a dig or anything but it seems likely a lot of your friends are similar to you just as mine are similar to me, in terms of noise exposure. None of us were ever big (or at all) concert goers, have always used earpro or outright suppression+earpro, and live in rural quiet environments on top and our jobs haven't been too bad on that front either (lots of power tools yeah, change to electric has been fucking wonderful and my kids will have it so much better than me, but unlike guns those aren't so loud that good earpro can't make them pretty safe, chainsaws and backhoes/graders and such, not jackhammers).

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHAT?????????????????????????????

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
    Yes. Legitimately sorry anon, but you 100% got exposed to a lot more than 140 dB, which means you now have permanent hearing damage. It will never grow back.

    That said, this doesn't mean you instantly go deaf, and it doesn't mean it can't get worse either. Hearing damage is cumulative. Tinnitus can be non-permanent if you avoid more exposure. From now on you should be super careful. Doubleup yes but know that it's impossible to get more than 40dB of protection with earpro. I'd really suggest, even though it's a horrible fucking PITA, to look at getting suppressors. Suppressors double up perfectly with earpro, so you can take a gun from 155-175 dB all the way down to 90-120 dB effective at the ear, which is ok for extended firing.

    It's too bad this sort of thing isn't taken more seriously in general though the fucking horrible law makes it worse. Join the ASA, right your reps (unironically) and tell them what happened and the risks of hearing loss and tell them to support NFA reform and either taking suppressors off the NFA entirely or at least requiring the ATF to get to a stamp within 2 weeks or else it's automatically approved. Good luck anon. At least hearing aids were just deregulated.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could highway noise also contribute?
      I have a 1 hour commute and usually turn the radio up above the noise (possibly also unsafe)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doubtful with a modern car. Here are the NIOSH cumulative noise exposure limits anon, pic related, this was a pretty solid scientific effort (non-regulatory unlike OSHA, so no industry putting its finger on the scale complaining it'd be too expensive to meet) and is a reasonable guide. If you want you can get a noise monitoring app for a smart phone (know that these are NOT useful for gun shots or other millisecond/microsecond level noise sources, you need very expensive systems to properly record those), that'll be fine up to 100 dB or so and will give you idea about your environment. "NoiSee" (get it? "noise" "see"? haha) is a good one that doesn't have other extraneous crap. But in general inside the cabin noise at highway speed will be 70-84 dB, depending on car model (luxury ones often feature more sound dampening as a core feature) and road quality. See sites that review for example:
        >https://alexonautos.com/cabin-noise/
        As you can see from the NIOSH exposure that's safe for basically as long as you'd want. Anything under 80dB is considered to be pretty safe for unlimited exposure. Though in a city with walls a lots of honking might be worse.

        If you have the windows down it'd be worse. Radio will do some. But for just an hour I still doubt that's a big source, not that it hurts to consider it. For long drives I personally have comfy earbuds I wear, which let me listen to radio/music more quietly since they're cutting ambient noise a lot. There closed over the ear ones that are the same idea.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >NoiSee
          Okay, but do all these smartphones app grant any sort of accuracy without calibration? How are they supposed to know the sensitivity of the microphone in question. Also note it's frequency response, which is very likely tuned for human speech.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Okay, but do all these smartphones app grant any sort of accuracy without calibration?
            Good Enough (TM) to get a basic sense. If you wanted to use it for actual workplace safety stuff you'd get a specific known and much better external USB or Lightning microphone. I think the NoiSee app actually suggests a few and I know others do as well. But if all you care about is a rough idea of "is this something I need to care about and invest in further or not" then getting within 5 decibels is fine. If it says your environment is 67 dB, then it's definitely not 85 dB or even 80. If it's 73 dB or 62 dB, well both of those are still safe.
            >How are they supposed to know the sensitivity of the microphone in question.
            At least with iPhones because there just aren't many models and they all use the same hardware for stuff like that. It's super trivial to have a database with tested calibrations for every single one ever made, and people do. Same with cameras and the like.
            >Also note it's frequency response, which is very likely tuned for human speech.
            Eh not really so much anymore for quality stuff. Talking isn't important to most people at this point vs camera/video recording. The mics are pretty good broad spectrum and then narrowing in with software when desired, for another example they're good enough to detect and identify bird calls over a surprisingly wide area (I've confirmed this myself with some of the AI bird apps for birds I could then identify with binocs).

            Again though not super high standards. If it's serious you'd get a better mic or dedicated device. But I'm confident it's ok as an easy gut check because I tested it in a quiet environment against a few known db sound sources at an AV lab. Fancier stuff is better if you've got it for sure, but stuff somebody never uses themselves is worthless. The apps are handy the same way phone cameras are handy: the best camera is the one you have on you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >usually turn the radio up above the noise (possibly also unsafe)
        Yeah, bad plan. You're doing your ears no good at all. I used to do the same thing, realized I was getting headaches that suHispaniciously synchronized with long & loud commutes, stopped playing the radio at all and just zen out my drive time using all the little tricks I can to generally reduce surrounding noise. My awareness of my surroundings has increased dramatically inside & outside driving activities, headaches are gone, hearing has improved, I get a little peaceful me-time with little intrusion. Win-win-win-win all around. I recommend it's always worth a try. You can always turn the radio back on if it isn't for you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Enclosed car from the last 30 years? probably not
        motorcycle/convertible? Absolutely, ear pro is just as important for wind noise over 60mph as it is for shooting. It's also huge for reducing fatigue - constant loud noise is stressful and wears you out.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        for long commutes I can highly recommend noise cancelling earphones. tunes our the wind and tire droning sound while still letting one-off sounds like horns and sirens through. just don't wear them in traffic jams or during slow city driving

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hearing damage is cumulative and permanent. Every loud noise you've ever heard (and even some you can't hear) will contribute. Sound pressure levels as low as 70-80dB can cause damage with prolonged exposure. There's not really any way to completely avoid damage, but taking steps to protect your ears in situations where you know you'll be exposed to dangerous volumes can do a lot to mitigate it.

        t. Musician who got tinnitus after going to ONE too loud show in a small bar and is now way overcautious about hearing damage.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          tfw I went to a concert last week and forgot my earplugs. i usually have them but because i wasn't photographing this particular concert i didn't have the bag with them on me. i basically hid in the back of the room the whole show

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's rough anon, hope your ears are ok. The show I went to was so unbelievably loud. Guitarist was using a dimed Super reverb and some other amp and the bassist had a fuckhuge Orange 8x10 cab. My ears physically hurt afterwards and they were still ringing in my 8am music theory class the next morning.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeah when shooting concerts i'm up front and shit would deafen if i didn't have my earplugs. rip all those people at the fence who don't bring plugs. like, the sound reverberates off your chest, it gets that bad sometimes.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Could something else be causing it?
    Yep.
    Psychosomatic
    Wisdom teeth fucking up
    Hardcore teeth grinding during the sleep
    Loud music/headphones
    Working in noisy environment
    Various mandibular joint dysfunctions
    Head surgery often does it too
    etc.
    Plenty of causes. No treatment though. You can mitigate a bit by using ginkgo-based and other blood-flow related supplements, but it really depends from case to case.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wait i have a Wisdom teeth fucked up and i've hear ringing on the same side for 3 years. if it's this i'm gonna killmyself

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's possible. I would recommend going to your dentist and getting a referral to an oral surgeon to talk about it. Note that you do have something of a limited time to do this; once you turn 30 they will become reluctant to preform removals due to increased potential for complications. Over 34 and they may outright deny removal entirely unless it is critical. Note that I am not involved in dentistry, just repeating what my dentist and oral surgeon told me. If you are in the states; it will cost you unless you have a good dental plan though. You might just have to deal with it unless you have the budget or insurance.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What the fuck is this shit? Nerve damage is a thing, but why let people suffer? What does happen when you turn 30? I had a cyst right there where my wisdom tooth was and them fuckers scraped it out to the bone. No, and I mean no tooth removal can be that bad as scraping on your jaw bone when there is a big cavity in your bone due to the cyst. Nerve damage danger galore! I had injections, they only worked a bit (and yes I got a 2nd set after the 1st didn't seem to do anything, after that I said to myself FUCK it, get over with it and teared up a little). 7 days afterwards I had an ice pack glued to my cheek every waking minute.
          And I usually sleep through dentist appointments....
          Healed up all nice at age 40+. 2 things are important: a) luck so the oral surgeon doesn't damage the nerves there, it wakes you up when the needle hits the nerve. b) cooling: ice pack all the time until the swelling and pain is gone or you risk permanent damage. Cooling down the inflamed area is paramount to keep full jaw movement.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What the fuck is this shit? Nerve damage is a thing, but why let people suffer?
            Not that anon and I'm sure it's possible to find specialist places that'll do it, I imagine for most though it's probably some modern liability insurance bullshit. I've heard from physician family matters it's gotten even worse in the last decade or two, and a huge amount of health care cost premium nowadays is insuring against people suing over fucking anything. So some procedures have become radioactive depending on if the cost matches risk actuarials.

            "Do it early" is good advice in general though for dental stuff if possible. Extenuating actual specific instances like yours or someone who has their jaw/skull fucked up in an accident probably shift the math too, now there is a serious problem anyway. Yours sounds in the category of "critical". Tinnitus SHOULD be considered "critical" but lots of the medical establishment are fags about stuff like that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sweet, just got off the range with my 82db ear protection. I do grind my teeth during sleep and have a bad case of tmj though.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In my experience, combining beefy high quality foam plugs (the kind with the big flared end, not the bullet-shaped narrow type) inside muffs, is the way to go.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Could something else be causing it?
    Literally anything can cause tinnitus
    t. dealing with it for like 20 years already.
    Shit killing me.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I shot a .308 with those shit army foam ear plugs and have the same issue. Ringing isn’t that bad, but it’s permanent, it’s been 6 months.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHAT??

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >asking for a medical diagnosis on a Mongolian throat singing forum.
    Go see a doctor gay

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's like breathing, you get used to it eventually and don't realize it's there. That is until SOME gay MAKES A THREAD ABOUT IT AND YOU ARE REMINDED YOU HAVE TINNITUS

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda like eye floaters or seeing your own nose, your brain kinda filters it if you're not paying attention.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        moron

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
    Yeah.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The proper way to put in ear plugs is while rolling them between your fingers on one hand, reach around the back of your head to pull up on your ear, straightening the canal, then shove that rolled plug in. Really makes a difference. Just sticking them in isn't enough

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      For foamies yep, and for triple flange and the like still good to straighten out the ear and put them in two handed. These instructions should be there for any good earplugs on the case or inside.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Could something else be causing it?

    Advil makes my ears ring.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I double up ear pro even outside, i just turn the active outer ears to a max volume. I think the concussion is worse than the crack of the shot imo.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CBD oil is your fren
    >t. a moth got in my ear and destroyed 75% of its hearing ability

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a moth destroyed anons hearing
      Story time?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >be me
        >go outside with girlfriend for a smoke
        >summer night in Alabama, bugs everywhere
        >a motherfucking moth bullseyes my ear and somehow gets down onto my eardrum
        >instantly hear the loudest most painful noises I’ve ever heard
        >every time the moth moves its appendages I hear painfully loud scraping/bug noises inside my head
        >we pour rubbing alcohol in my ear
        >moth freaks the fuck out and starts spinning or something
        >I am on the floor grabbing my head yelling please god make it stop and telling her to call 911
        >almost puke from the pain
        >the little shit just pops out of my ear as she is running for her phone
        Unironically hurt more than a surgery I had on my toe with no anesthesia. Hearing in my left ear is FUCKED now

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn. Fucking bastard. Light bonfires nightly and purge their dusty race.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fucking Hell, Anon. I hope you're not still in agonizing pain and get some hearing back by a miracle of sorts.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was unironically hell. I wear a hoodie outside at night like a retard now lol. CBD usually keeps the tinnitus at bay thankfully

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit. One of those "one in a million bolts of lightning" things that makes me realize how much of life can be affected by sheer dumb bad luck. Fuck. Have you had an audiologist look at that?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure this would give me an undying, white hot genocidal hatred for all moths.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yep. It’s nightmare time.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          See this. This is the reason why I freak the fuck out every time a wasp buzzes by my ear. If that's what a moth can do, I'd actually be reaching for the nearest gun to blow my own head off if a wasp got in there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          flutter flutter fucker, you're my bitch now

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Get mothed

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw no big titty moth gf

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Moth my problem

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            *leaves mothballs in your path*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just out of curiosity, was the toe surgery cutting out an ingrown toenail? A podiatrist pulled that shit on me when I was younger, wtf is wrong with foot freaks?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nah it was a biopsy, they drilled under the big toenail and cut out a part of the flesh where the nail grows out of

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, now I have a new phobia.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So sorry to hear that man, I can't even imagine

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          MOTHED.COM

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >In 2006, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, asked scientists to create cyborg insects (yes, insects are animals).
          >With DARPA’s support, researchers at the University of California Berkeley successfully created a cyborg beetle whose movements they could remotely control.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/kGXuuba.jpg

          flutter flutter fucker, you're my bitch now

          Wow, guess moths are pretty eeeeeeevil.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA-- But I have a similar story. My brother grew up in an unironic culture, and one night an honest to God cockaroach crawled into his fucking ear and refused to come out. They took him to a living Dr. Nick (from Simpsons) who killed the roach with an alcohol drip. But, the doctor was kinda high when he took the roach our, and he unfurled it's wings pulling it out, and thought it was still alive. He began wildly shrieking in a total panic, which just made my mother laugh.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    sounds like you sensitive

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm over two yards tall and have big Dumbo ears even for my size, what's my beast ear protection option for huge ass ears? Even Beyerdynamic headphones can't fit over my shit well.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bump for deafbros

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      technically op and most of the other anons are eeeeeeeeeeeebros not deafbros but still nice of you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Touché

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
    Probably yes.

    The question is: To what degree?

    This is an important distinction. Not gonna lie, the abuse you described is plenty for permanent impairment. But, because you are aware of it at such an early stage, you can take steps into the future so that you don't do further damage on top of that, and that the damage done will 'sort of heal' as time goes on. It's a crap shoot, but exposure to more loud noises (vacuum cleaners, power tools, chainsaws, guns, industrial band saws, etc etc.) will certainly make it worse. And, it keeps getting worse with age, no matter how much care you take ... so take a whole shitload of care. Take all of the care, always. You'll really appreciate it after you turn 50 and start catching up to 60.

    I got stories, but there's a post limit length. Just trust me, I've been around guns and power tools a lot in my life, and what I did when I was about 13 to 21-ish (when I got the Real Religion on hearing protection) haunts me every second of my life, awake or sleeping. My left ear is worse than my right, which can be traced directly back to a day when I was 17 and doing some plinking with my brother and some cousins. My brother stepped up and fired off two blasts from a sawed off 12 gauge, about three feet from my unprotected ear drum. It's never been right since that moment.

    Remember, there's no cure. You're stuck with whatever natural recovery you get, if any. Good luck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Modern medicine is pretty amazing so I wouldn't rule out something in the future. I wouldn't hold my breath tho.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think there have been some promising studies regarding treatment with steroids soon after the damage occurs, but it's not very reliable and it's not really a cure, more just mitigating the damage. Preventing it in the first place is obviously very preferable.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
      You'll know in a few months time. If you still have it by then, it's probably permanent.

      >and that the damage done will 'sort of heal' as time goes on.
      Wrong. Tinnitus is a cumulative malady: once you have it, it will never get better, and it will only worsen if you're not super careful.

  23. 2 months ago
    BigC

    >going to a range
    there's your problem, ranges are bullshit
    just shoot outdoors in the wide open and your ears will do a lot better

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know lots of people would get very angry about it, but I'd pay a big premium for a range that was suppressor-only. Or even that just had 1-3 suppressor-only days per week. Or hell, per month. A couple of times I've been with groups where absolutely everyone was shooting suppressed and holy shit is it so much better.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHAAAAAATTTT??

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >get used to it
    You never get used to loud noises. You just go a little more deaf.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My dad always told me I had "sensitive hearing" because I found loud music and environments uncomfortable, so I thought I was an anomaly.

      Looking back, he turns the TV way up , listens to really loud music and shoots rifles without earpro so the motherfucker is probably half deaf, making a normal person "sensitive" by comparison.

      It's the worst feeling in the world knowing you've fucked up permanently in a way that's obvious in retrospect and going to follow you around for the rest of your life.

      >Reason 4992478925 to never listen to boomers

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Off topic threads should be deleted, only Russians make these threads. What’s wrong with Ukraine threads? It’s an actual war not larp fantasy

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Served in The Old Guard.
    >Couldn't wear ear pro during ceremonies.
    >Some cunt officer thinks it's a good idea to have the cannons fire near and somewhat towards the formation.
    >My tinnitus isn't from the guns or any actual Infantry shit, just from the fucking ceremonies.
    Just wear ear pro from now on, I still have ringing in a loud room. The VA said my actual hearing is fine (fucking bullshit), but I still for the 10% disability for the tinnitus. Don't try and just tough it out now that it's started, it WILL get worse the more you expose yourself. Even I still wear protection so that I don't lose all of my hearing before I'm fucking 30.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How long ago was that? These days I'd think electronic ear plugs like my Ottos would be allowed because they can be made very inconHispanicuous and allow you to hear everything going on around you still. If they refused to allow that I'd unironically sue them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You'd be surprised what you can notice when you know what isn't supposed to be there, so any of the graders watching the ceremony would notice it. The Old Guard is really strict when it comes to uniformity in the formation. There were some ceremonies where I felt the shockwave from the cannons firing and could feel my eardrums pounding, I fucking knew my hearing was going to get fucked. I did see some guys using stuff like Ottos in the field, including one of my old squad leaders. I already had a set of electronic muffs that fit under my ACH, so I wasn't looking to buy some new ones. It was literally just the ceremonies that fucked my hearing, I suppose I'm just used to it but I can't fucking sleep without my TV or fan on.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I started shooting at age 12 like a lot of PrepHoleommandos. Being the reckless fuck that every 12 year old was, if I forgot earmuffs on range day I just ignored it and went shooting anyway.
    It's now been 18 years of
    >EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    So that's fun

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    since we are on the topic of personal health and shooting, have a separate set of range clothes, especially if you go to indoor ranges. I am pretty sure primers have lead in them, so as soon as you get home, change out of these and wash them. You don't want to contaminate your house or harm your kids.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Work place says to have wear the free ear plugs they give to you when you go on the floor
    >That's pussy shit, I don't even see anyone wear it
    >Asked to take some dirty shit to Sanitation
    >The machine in there is like a robot getting raped and screams like vocaloid Rochelle from Left4Dead 2 but +365 db
    >Sanitation guy wears some thicc ass ear muffs
    >Suddenly get ringing in my ears randomly
    I'm fucked, aren't I?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      hearing damage is cumulative and permanent

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh god oh fuck i dont know how im going to cope with this, my hearing is already shit

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Remember you're hear forever.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I had severe tinnitus but now it's tolerable. Turns out it was being driven by TMJ (Jaw Problem). I saw a dentist, got a retainer and the volume of the ringing is going down.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHAT?!

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have the OP image, but with text that says something like "I believe in you" I used to have it, but can't find it.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >first noticed tinnitus as a kid probably because I had a lot of ear infections
    >abused my ears in high school in marching band
    >tinnitus actually got bad when I was about 18 and going to very loud metal shows and jam sessions all the time as well as playing drums
    >stop doing all that for several years and it "went away" (got used to it enough it doesn't bother me)
    >shot one round out of a G19 about a month ago with no ear protection due to combination of exhaustion/inebriation/altitude/with the boys and it seemed like a funny thing to do
    >hahaha that was kind of louder than I expected
    >deaf for a few seconds then it comes back and we laugh it off and feel fine
    >notice tinnitus that night
    >ears still feel sensitive to noise and everything actually seems louder, including the ringing
    >got really paranoid for a week and had to sleep with a radio on
    >started getting used to it again
    >repeat until suicide
    The fact that there is no limit to how bad it can get and that I'm only 24 terrifies me. Kind of been having my come-to-jesus moment about my ears. But then again, every old man in my family hunted and shot guns all their lives with no ear pro, or went to war, and they all undeniably have shit hearing, but are still truckin' along with some badass stories to tell.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think people who double up on earpro are fucking gay and retarded

    When I have foam plugs in I can't hear a guy shouting at me from 5 feet away and I legitimately think my bones creaking inside my head from recoil are louder than the report from firing my 357 mag

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, a lot of people use foam earplugs from walmart

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you fire suppressed fine. If not you're the gay retard. We only got one set of ears and there is no medical tech to repair them right now. Losing hearing is an undeniable disadvantage, not "differently special" or whatever proggies call it now. Good quality earplugs are certainly important but will not get you all the way to the limit. And also means you're one dumb mistake away from cutting the protection massively. It's such an easy cheap thing, holy shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >When I have foam plugs in I can't hear a guy shouting at me from 5 feet away
      >I think people who double up on earpro are fucking gay and retarded
      Ohnonononononono lmao

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that's not quite the RINGING endorsement anon thinks it is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My hearing is fine. You dipshits just don't know how to wear plugs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hah. Hahahahaha.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Always double up. Plugs and covers.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thank God I got my tinnitus from tragic snap cap accident when I was 8 years old, so my gun hobby wasn't able to give it to me.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I fuck up my hearing permanently?
    yeah it's permanent
    that's why I train to shoot one-handed with my shoulder pressed into my right ear and my left hand covering my left ear, no way in hell I'll be shooting without any ear pro even in a self-defense situation
    I also wear earplugs to concerts, fuck hearing damage

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good man. And yeah you can get tuned concert noise reducers that then pure blockers. Like they're designed to still let the music through cleanly but attenuated.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have like 5 different tinnitus tones. You get used to it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      do they ever play music for you?

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