Time is not on Ukraine's side.

First off, I'm not a vatnik shill. Putin is bad, etc etc. Don't blindly dismiss what I'm saying.

The conclusion of this war is not at all certain. Ultimately it depends on a lot of factors, such as:

>Russian military fortification in the South and East

>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions

>Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time

>Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.

>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin is designing this 'special military operation' to last beyond his reign. There are programs in Russian schools that prepare kids for a life of military service, and the economy is being restructured to account for the long-term cost of the war. Most importantly, the Russian people are begrudgingly accepting anything the Putin regime does to them. The Russian state is stable. Right now, Ukraine's momentum is slowed. Either Ukraine is struggling to maintain its current frontline with its resources, or they've calculated that it would be better to launch another offensive in the spring. The problem with the latter line of thinking is that Russia may have regenerated enough troops to blunt a new offensive, especially if the rumors of another few hundred thousand conscripts being called up are true, something they severely lacked during the Kharkiv and Kherson theaters. I am not at all confident that western armaments alone can prepare Ukraine to outlast a nation that is transitioning into a war economy, preparing its people for years of continuous economic isolation and grinding warfare, and which has far more people to throw to the meat grinder.

    Ukraine has been doing very well these last few months, so hey maybe it's just my doomer mind at work. I am concerned though.

    TLDR: Russia is big and doesn't seem intent on giving up any time soon, how long can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how long can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?
      Forever, since they know capitulating will mean Russia will be in charge of rebuilding Ukraine, and it will never occur. Literal death of every Ukrainian would be a better option.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Beating Russians is easy.

        You KILL their commanders and you destroy their communications and logistics. The wheels will fall off their murder machine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin is designing this 'special military operation' to last beyond his reign
      It won't go beyond him because none even fucking understands how any Russian benefits from this war, those that come after Putin will spend more time fighting between each other for Russia to maintain active war in Ukraine
      >Russian schools that prepare kids for a life of military service, and the economy is being restructured to account for the long-term cost of the war
      Russia is currently in deep crisis and shortage of workers, yes they have 10% shadow unemployment(you have a job but they haven't paid you in 6 months) and Russia has shortages of workers because everyone with money and skills gets the fuck away while border is open.
      >Most importantly, the Russian people are begrudgingly accepting anything the Putin regime does to them. The Russian state is stable.
      Russian society crossed Rubicon for first time since Monke got elected. You have Russian public FSB agents(Igor Girkin) publicly call Putin weak and points out how exactly. President of Tatarstan renames his post to Rais, which is same as telling Putin to go fuck himself with his centralization and Putin can't do shit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian military fortification in the South and East
        Dragon's cavities?

        > President of Tatarstan renames his post to Rais
        It's a bit funnier. They renamed the poition to Rais but declared that people have voted for the President so the current one will be called President, not Rais till the next election that is in 3 years.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?
      How does Russia hold onto... whatever it wants if they win the war though? How does it hold the longest border in the world?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The original plan was to take Ukraine quickly with minimal losses so that they could use the natural barriers to the west of Ukraine so Russia could better defend that front with a smaller fighting-aged demographic. With that plan collapsing, it's a wonder how Russia's future will look given this will just keep killing its chances at restoring population growth.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe, but go long enough and the disincentive for Ukraine to start targeting Russian civilian populations near the border goes away. We already know the defenses along the border aren't enough to keep Ukraine out, it's just that right now there's no serious reason for Ukraine to enter Russia proper.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It really does look like the war will continue until either Russia wins or Putin dies and someone less war-loving gets in power. I'm gambling on the Russian oligarchs to help CIA assassinate Putin.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm gambling on the Russian oligarchs to help CIA assassinate Putin.
        You'll lose that gamble. Putin has massively blundered at foreign policy but he knows exactly how to keep power at home. Loyalty is rewarded over all else and he's continuously worked to make power in Russia synonymous with himself. In addition, the main criticism of Putin is from pro-war hardliners who think he's too cautious and soft. If there was ever a coup, it would be someone like Prigozhin who has his own military and financial power. Any pro-peace oligarchs are under Putin's heel or have fled the country.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most dictators don't die peacefully in their sleep.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sabotage Russian war production, especially its missile production. And cut off the supplies of foreign components to Iranian drone and missile manufacturers. Also strike Russian locomotives and train hubs to make it a bitch to get North Korean help.

            See how long Putin stays alive then, lol. The Russian war machine will eventually grind to a halt without replacements.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unfortunately for Putin, since the WAR itself is a massive mistake, they're now locked into a suicidal crash and burn course.

          The political impetus is to keep ATTACKING, which of course plays right into the Ukrainian hands. They are patiently wearing down the Russian beast AGAIN.

          We are witnessing a situation where all the political factors at home favor Russian fucking up more, not less. They're going to attack more, behave even more viciously.....and all they will succeed in doing is horrifying the West into supporting Ukraine even more and making the Ukrainians even more kill-crazy than they are now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is big and doesn't seem intent on giving up any time soon, how long can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?

      Russia has already lost the war, in the exact same way that Japan/Germany lost the war in WWII. The moment things didn't go perfectly with the war ending within a couple of weeks at most, they'd lost because they have no way to outproduce the ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY, and so their only hope was to crush the spirit of the defenders and convince them fighting back wasn't worth the cost. At this point, it's no longer a question of Russia losing the war or not, it's a question of how badly Russia is going to destroy their economy and population before they realize they've already lost, and unfortunately for them, they will be surrendering to Ukraine and not the US, which lowers the odds of the US feeling like they should rebuild the country ala Japan/Germany is much lower, and Russia seizing every Western business who was operating within the borders means that there will be minimal foreign investors because of the high risk.

      TL;DR: A million men doesn't matter in the modern world if you can't feed, arm, and supply them, and Russia has already blown it's chance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how long can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?
      Indefinitely if the "men" we're talking about are Russians. Russians are very good at dying and not much else.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a complete meme. Whoever takes power after Putin (if one force will be able to take control in the first place) will pull out of Ukraine immediately. It doesn't even matter who it's going to be, even the most pro war people in power understand that this war is lost and will only be a drain on their resources.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure though these pro-war people are going to use the defeat as a rallying cry for revenge, akin to the Germans after WW1.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They will use it to enact repressions not seen since Stalin. They will blame everything on Putin and his fifth column (Putin will be called CIA agent 10 minutes after his death). The country will turn inwards completely and will resemble North Korea in less than a decade.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man
      Give me freedom or give death.
      gay.
      But I guess subhumans with slave mentality like you can't understand that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There are programs in Russian schools that prepare kids for a life of military service
      Cool stuff. In 15 years I'm sure it will start to bear fruit lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin is designing this 'special military operation' to last beyond his reign
      He can design whatever he wants. This war and the sanctions are costing the oligarchs and the military generals too much money. As soon a Putin dies, whoever takes his place is going to blame this whole mess on him, start throttling back the war, and asking the west what they need to do to get sanctions lifted.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not that simple for Russia.

        Ukraine has been unleashed. They want Crimea back, and that's the berserk button for Russians. Both sides are fixated on it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolute rot. The economy is being "restructured" in the sense the central banker told them to look into how they did things 30 years ago without modern technology. A heavily sanctioned and relatively small economy like Russia, sending a generation of skilled workers out to be exterminated and having lost its biggest customers and technology transfer partners cannot be "restructured" for a forever war. If that was easy everyone in a far better position in the western world would "restructure" their economies for double digit growth, it doesn't work like that.

      What they are really doing is burning through nearly a decade of economic reform that they have suffered and suffered for and are going to be left holding shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I heard their second mobilization will be aimed at CITY people.

        Russians are cannibalizing their society for ONE war.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Indeed, the truth is nobody minded when it was the ethnic minorities from the middle of nowhere that don't know what a flush toilet is. The cities might as well be a different country.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Putin probably realized that he'd applied too much pressure to those regions, stirring up separatist unrest.

            So now he's shifting to the city brats. And this time, it's going to be harder to escape.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't envy their central banker. She attempted to resign but was forbidden to. I have zero doubt Putin subtly dropped a hint she'd go out of a window if she did. She was subsequently sanctioned.

        She's easily the most competent member of Russia's government, lol.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people keep saying ukraine's momentum is slow and yet they keep on having successful counteroffensives. could it be that, i don't know, the current season is not favorable for an offensive?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bingo. Soon as the temperatures get ideal, the Ukrainians will strike.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he current season is not favorable for an offensive
        Correct and Bakhmut being constantly assaulted by PMCs during the winter is no accident either.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some of your observations are correct

      >Russian military fortification
      >Resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
      >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops
      >Russia's capability to maintain some production
      >Grey market and third-party economies provide sanctioned materials
      >Long-term economy and societal reorientation

      However, the conclusion you've crafted from these facts fails to see things from the Putin perspective. His goal is firstly to stay in power and secondly to cultivate his legacy. Ending the war (by winning it or otherwise) would actually go against these objectives. The war is not a burden but a tool. It gives Putin the power to recast Russia as he sees fit.

      The war is the excuse that allows Putin to
      >cut Russia off from the west culturally
      >limit outside economic influence
      >raise larger standing army
      >deal with dissenters even more harshly
      >blame all internal issues on the West

      Putin wants Russia to become like North Korea. The Kim's kingdom may not have a stable food or power supply, but it has completed several clean transitions of absolute power within a single family. And the deceased leaders are raised to the status of gods. Who would want to be president when the playbook to truly become czar is just laying open.

      The war will continue as long as Putin wants to reform Russia. Perhaps eventually there will be a pseudo-peace like that along the 39th parallel. However, like North Korea, the wartime atmosphere will remain for Russia indefinitely.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hello vatnik shill. Russia will lose because their morale is shit, their training is shit, and their logistics are shit. How do you win with rusted artillery and exploded barrels and nuggets? Their institutions are rotten to the core, the only way they can win is to stop being Russians and that's impossible. Look at Afghanistan and how disastrously it ended up for the soviet union despite having an economy several times larger, now look at Russia invading Ukraine. You aren't even at the insurgency phase kek.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Russian troops on the ground know they're fucked. They don't have the drive to fight a losing war forever.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin is designing this 'special military operation' to last beyond his reign.

      Thats the biggest wishful thinking i ever saw here.
      There is no reason for anyone after Putin to continue the failed war.
      This war is built on one man's desire to be remembered in history before he dies from the old age or cancer.
      Its expensive and its risky for life.
      Even if his successor is as greedy shithead, his main priority would be to calm everything down, because its easier to steal from the country when everything is quiet and stable.
      There is literally no reason for anyone else to continue the war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TLDR: Russia is big and doesn't seem intent on giving up any time soon, how long can Ukraine really last against a foe willing to destroy itself to the last man, missile, and ruble to win the war?

      Why are you, vatmorons, always project own insecurities and problems on ukies, but make an exception there?
      Why do you think that ukies arent as willing to destroy themself to the last man, missile and money to win the war?
      Do you really think they are made from the different meat? You are literally neighbours, from the same USSR in the past.
      They will continue to kill you untill the very fucking end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Military offices are literally being torched, railroads sabotaged, far-away mobiks beating up their officers...
      What that fuck are you talking about?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok vatnik

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/cjX2Z0b.jpg

      >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill
      lol

      https://i.imgur.com/f2zGQrG.jpg

      >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill
      That is like starting a sentence saying "im not gay but.."

      who let these dumb morons out of the nuthouse

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For someone who's not a vatmoron you seem to be very asshurt about being called one.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill
    lol

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a moderate, I believe the entire male population should be ground into fertilizer to help the Ukrainian farming industry recover from the war, and Russian women used as forced breeding stock in Japan as war reparations for keeping the Kuril islands and Karafuto since WW2.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The outcome of the war comes down to exactly one thing and one thing only - political resilience of countries in Europe and North America (plus Turkey, Australia, Brazil and Japan).
    If they falter due to the sizeable Russian fifth column, Russia has a chance to get out of this after merely crashing their economy and deographics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It don't think the politicians have much to say about this. Mutts especially and their mic have been ecstatic about this whole thing, they are humiliating and destroying not just the military but the reputation and credibility of one of their biggest rival both in geopolitical terms as well as a rival arms exporter. And despite how large the numbers may sound to the pea brained qtards and antifags, who for some reason both seem to agree that Russia good, they are but a tiny fraction of the military budget, comparable to pennies they found hidden in their fat rolls.
      There is no way they will let this opportunity pass by, no matter what the guy who is in charge might say publicly. And even if they do glowies are there for a reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do not underestimate the the Russian fifth column in the USA.
        There's people in both major parties that openly idolise traitors.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do not underestimate the MIC. There is absolutely no way they will lose to some poor shills.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The MIC have been losing to shills since the 80s. Don't forget that Pentagon Wars is a movie that got made.
            Don't forget what happened to the litoral ships or the Comanche.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And despite how large the numbers may sound to the pea brained qtards and antifags, who for some reason both seem to agree that Russia good

        That's because Russia pay and work to fan up both of them, they fund international communists groups and send agents to lead the useful idiots along, with alt right radio hosts, they pay the individual directly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A significant portion of the republican media apparatus has been meat riding for Russia since the war began. I'm not sure if it's bribes or blackmail that have so many right wing politicians beholden to Russian interests.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          More likely blackmail than outright bribery. Harder to trace, unfortunately.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Neither, it's contrarianism. The leftists are the current admin, so they got to declare support for ukraine first, so the conservatives instinctively chose an opposing position even though it's dumb.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's the stupidest thing about partisan politics.

            >"I must turn traitor because DEMOCRATS REEEEEEE!!!!!"

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its just buying into their narrative if you allow yourself to think its JUST because they're stupid. Its because there's some sort of money involved in it for them. They'd love if you think its just because they're being stupid, and not because they've been bought and paid for by Russian oligarch money.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously it requires Western and Ukranian will to both hold. If so Russia can't win. But if either falters Russia can at least freeze the conflict which would count as a win at this point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What did the Japs do that you want to plague them with vatnik women which is responsible for Russia being such a shithole?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill
    That is like starting a sentence saying "im not gay but.."

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So take out Russian production factories, KILL all Vatnik commanders, cripple their Logistics, HIMAR their troop concentrations, raise new Ukrainian troops, train all of Ukraine's people in partisan warfare, and stir up domestic unrest inside Russia itself.

    Strike the weak points in Russia's armor.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats not gonna happen. Not without another 400 zillion from nato and the US

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We can outspend the Russians easily. This war is fucking cheap to us.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but we are not, why?
          Because everybody is afraid of upsetting the nuclear manlet and nobody want to risk suffering the consequences, so they convinced all the nafo uhg chud cheerleaders that russia is about to implode any minute now to wash their hands of the situation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the nuclear manlet
            Everyone knows the state of his 'arsenal'.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Forgot to mention:
    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    This is a massive problem, almost as bad as all the politicians bought by Putin.

    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    This is not a problem and likely won't be a problem under Putin.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We will track down those fuckers systematically.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        who?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ones breaking the sanctions. Duh.

          military fortification in the South and East
          Fair point.
          >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
          Not sure this is terribly relevant to the war effort although it isn't untrue.
          's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
          Yes, but they are so awfully trained and equipped that they might as well not bother.
          's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
          Not true, the amount of materiel actually getting to the front lines isn't sufficient to sustain enough offensive capability to trouble Ukraine
          >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
          This might help them with some missile production but it still won't be enough to allow Russia to win the war. Also Russia doesn't seem to use this capability very effectively.

          Military fortifications only matter if the Russians STAY on defense. They refuse to do that. The dumb fuckers KEEP attacking instead of defending.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The ones breaking the sanctions. Duh.
            O

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >KEEP attacking
            They have enough man power to do an attack. Look, the thing that russia is definitely not on shortage is man power. Putin could start a general mobilization and good chunk of their population will obey. The training and equipment might be bad, hell even awful in some case but extra soldier is always good isn't it?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but extra soldier is always good isn't it?
              Not really. If Putin keeps going to the well and the lines on the map don't shift then the game is up very quickly. Very few people are going to want to fight a losing war of choice. The next mobilization may be the last if it doesn't yield tangible results.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >war of choice
                this is not a war of choice. ukraine persists on trying to conquer russian lands. russia will fight as long as necessary to protect its borders and its people.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                0/10

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                boo

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Except attacking when you fucking suck at it is just stupid as hell. Especially when the Ukrainians continue to ROTATE their troops.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russians can't accept that they suck. And they definitely can't accept that they suck so hard lowly Khokhols are whooping them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                THAT is their real weakness. They do not see their enemy for what it is: a formidable, dangerous, sneaky adversary.

                They will always underestimate Ukrainians.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It doesn't matter if you have a gorillion bodies to toss at a problem if their basic equipment and supplies are secondhand AT BEST and outright decaying at worst.
              Numbers aren't the only metric to win a conflict: between a single heavy armored vehicle and a thousand grunts with spears, the spearchuckers aren't going to win.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Especially if you target their Logistics and Commanders.

                No supplies and no leaders = one big fucking massacre. Simple but devastating.

                To use a movie analogy:

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/qZfUOUN.jpg

                So take out Russian production factories, KILL all Vatnik commanders, cripple their Logistics, HIMAR their troop concentrations, raise new Ukrainian troops, train all of Ukraine's people in partisan warfare, and stir up domestic unrest inside Russia itself.

                Strike the weak points in Russia's armor.

                based charlie enjoyer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you very much.

                Against an opponent with such a massive population, Ukraine must use simple but effective moves to best its adversary.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and good takes a well, you seem like a cool guy, have a nice day/night charlie anon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/qZfUOUN.jpg

                So take out Russian production factories, KILL all Vatnik commanders, cripple their Logistics, HIMAR their troop concentrations, raise new Ukrainian troops, train all of Ukraine's people in partisan warfare, and stir up domestic unrest inside Russia itself.

                Strike the weak points in Russia's armor.

                I want to ruin her business because itd be a funny joke

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They have enough man power to do an attack. Look, the thing that russia is definitely not on shortage is man power.
              This is absolutely false and belays the issues that the Russians have been facing this whole war. They have fewer infantry than Ukraine, they have more heavy weapons. You're a fucking retard, the balance is exactly the opposite of what you've just said..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Either way, I call for a 5 million man Ukrainian army. Train 10,000-30,000 every 4 months.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but extra soldier is always good isn't it?
              A shittily trained soldier is a liability, not an asset

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We know who they are.
        Nobody is going to do shit. The yanks are the only ones doing anything, and even they are not touching anyone but the smallfries.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Third parties in Hong Kong and Macau apparently
          >Source?
          I read it in the Financial Times

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And London, Viena, Austin, Budapest.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op here, im trans btw.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill

    Yes, you are.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/gCNgRpD.png

      >redshit spacing
      >I'm not a vatmoron, I swear
      >poccnr stronk
      Does this mean Russia will stop retreating soon?

      https://i.imgur.com/51JYN2l.gif

      >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.

      https://i.imgur.com/gtueeKP.jpg

      >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You act like an assblasted vatmoron being called out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i hate seeing you dumb fucks here as well, keep to your circle jerk general

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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                Anonymous

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                Anonymous

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                Anonymous

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh god you just know his pathetic ass took a screenshot of those digits to gloat back on 4chan.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't own guns and you're a moron! Cry more about how reality is incongruent with your fantasies.

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  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, the hohols will freeze. It's over!

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    military fortification in the South and East
    Fair point.
    >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Not sure this is terribly relevant to the war effort although it isn't untrue.
    's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    Yes, but they are so awfully trained and equipped that they might as well not bother.
    's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    Not true, the amount of materiel actually getting to the front lines isn't sufficient to sustain enough offensive capability to trouble Ukraine
    >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    This might help them with some missile production but it still won't be enough to allow Russia to win the war. Also Russia doesn't seem to use this capability very effectively.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >military foritfications in South and East
      Same level of fortifications didn't help in Kharkov or Kherson so why would it make a differnce now?
      >Russian economy
      Russia isn't thriving, it merely avoided death by things like shrining gov. budgets by 35%, scraping infrastructure projects, freezing investments, banning precious metal exports, etc. Even after these measures: Investment is down 28%, prices are up 20%, inflation is at 12%, GDP shrank 4.5% on the gold standard BTW), and they're raising taxes.
      >Russian training
      They have serious serioud problem with corruption, logistics, and lack of training. This shows in they're losing almost 1,000 men a day,.
      >high production qoutes
      They produce about 30% of the bare minimum of what they need.
      >grey market
      Russias "friends" (Iran, N Korea, China) are charging 5 times normal prices, knowning Russia has no choice.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Don't pretend the Russians weren't shanking each other in the stores over sugar.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the longer the war drags on the worse Russia's economy becomes
    >the more military aid packs sent to Ukraine
    >more time for NATO countries to continue training Ukrainian forces
    Yeah time is definitely on Russoids side

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fortifications
    Worthless because they're using septic tanks as bunkers.
    >resilience of Russia's economy
    It's economies collapse in years, not months. Germany's civilian economy did pretty well up until the late 40's, at which point it died hard. And this was despite being blockaded and having various shortages. But it dying hard was inevitable because you can't have an inbred economy shut off from the rest of the world.
    >Russia's ability to train...
    What training? That's actually Russia's biggest problem. Conscripts are just being herded into minefields to buy time.
    >capability to maintain high production quota
    Are you joking?
    >grey market
    Oh wow. Iran and North Korea. Real economic powerhouses.

    Thanks for the laugh.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >redshit spacing
    >I'm not a vatmoron, I swear
    >poccnr stronk
    Does this mean Russia will stop retreating soon?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with your analysis, plus - the rising prices might worsen the political situation in western countries internal fatigues might change the political situation in western countries, we actually have elections every couple of years here, and also: at some point china or some other actor might decide to step in. You could say this is unlikely but in 2015 i would have never thought Russia would start a military operation overnight in Syria and thats what they did. You literally never know what the future holds and Ukraine at this point it's on western life support. Condoleeza Rice wrote something about this on these days, that's they want to send "light tanks".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian weak points are the same as before. Yawn.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The West will NEVER back the hoho-
      >I mean the West will NEVER interfere in our invas-
      >Uh... The West will NEVER cut off trad-
      >will NEVER resupply Ukr-
      >will NEVER let our allies join NA-
      >The West will NEVER continue, they can't afford fo-
      >I-I mean gas! You can't afford ga-
      >STOP OR WE'LL NUKE YO-
      >WEST PLEASE STOP, PUTIN'S CRYING
      It's all so tiresome
      Also Congolese Rice is a Soviet asset who wrote the Chicken Kiev speech for Bush; her opinions mean nothing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Definitely not a fan of her, thanks for the insight because i only knew about her time with Bush Jr. and the neocons. Besides, in the article i mentioned she stated what everyone can see, that Ukraine it's on life support, i don't think there it could be a discussion about this, which is also why the west is stepping up deliveries.

        Anyway, if shit keep hitting the fan, and if it gets worse like it could, people won't be happy to keep paying to extend nato-ue influence, since for some countries there isn't even any real connection with Ukraine and Ukrainians themselves are hardly seen as Europeans. Personally i don't see them as different from Russians.

        T. italian

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that negress was even tellin Poles to stay in the gommie sphere of influence, so fuck her

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Time is not on Ukraine's side
    It completely is though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is moving up in the Civ development table. Now they just have to build more academies and research tanks.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/WcCZwkf.jpg

        >Time is not on Ukraine's side
        It completely is though

        >>Time is not on Ukraine's side
        >It completely is though

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What I see are a bunch of moving targets, lol. Take out the locomotives.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I just realized that what we're seeing is literally Russia stuck in Despotism while most other countries are running Republic or Democracy.
        So that's what the shitty penalties to everything look like IRL.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This would make a fascinating game of Civilization for sure.

          Russia won't win on Ukraine, because Putin fucked up. Putin will not rule over Europe, no matter how many mobiks he can send into the grinder.

          Putin is not a true military leader. He's a politician. He'll demand his forces always attack, because politics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reddit tier opinion. The actual problem of Russia go deeper than "YAY DEMOCRACY, boo dictators". The vast majority of human civilization was governed by what we call despotism. And many of them did fine. Rome, for example. Ideology alone isn't an explanation. Russia is a special kind of fuckup. It's a cargo cult of the Soviet Union, with ethnic Russians claiming they are the Third Rome and everyone else is Satan but it turns out that Russians were the worst part of the USSR and they're as Roman as fucking gypsies.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then the solution is simple.

            To parody a Marxist expression, "Destroy The Means Of War Production" inside Russia.

            Without the means to manufacture armaments, Russia cannot fight forever.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "democracy" in this context is a shorthand for the western style of governance, which is infinitely better than anything Russia has ever done.

            Stop being a midwit. Read a book.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, you're the midwit. Saying "western democracy is better than anything Russia has ever done" is meaningless, because medieval feudal states were run better than Russia is right now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit, there were various forms of democratic expression or inspiration in many countries. For example ancient Chechen society was organised democratically. England and France had the example of peasants revolting or defying their masters that echoed through their history. Movements like the levellers and the luddites. Russia was completely buck broken by Oprichnina and that has been their comfort zone ever since. It's no wonder ever revolution or counter revolution always ended in tyranny and imperialism. That is their safe space.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which is why their nation is doomed to fragment. Even the repressive security apparatus cannot function if the entire state collapses. The center is failing to hold.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are looking at events from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries and trying to apply it to 10,000 years of human history to claim that autocracies are bad because... well, just look at the last three centuries :^).
              You're a midwit. Countries can be run well or poorly regardless of their ideologies, and every ideology has pros and cons. Free speech can be great, but it does have its costs and if you don't recognize them then you're going to get bumfucked in a situation like WW2 where you have to have maximum secrecy and can't have war protests all the time.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay
    >Military fortification
    We've seen how the Russians fortify themselves. While it obviously will increase their chances of survival and make the ukies take more casulties attacking, it isn't going to stop the ukies from advancing.
    >resiliance of economy
    Sanctions don't instantly shut things down. It takes months and years to start having effects - you can see that with the fact that they stole a bunch of civilian airliners to provide parts for planes because they can't make those parts.
    >train hundreds of thousands
    I wouldn't consider mobiks trained.
    >maintain high production quotas
    They haven't. They haven't lost all industrial capacity but they've fallen in output.
    >Grey market and third-party economies
    Third-party economies won't be selling western tech to russia becuase if they do they'll get cut off. Grey market won't be able to supply the Russians by really much at all. They might get some stuff but it won't be enough for anything that would tip the war at all.

    >How does ukraine stand against a foe willing to destroy itself
    By destroying them. Also, Russian partisan activity has been increasing ever since the war started and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people have fucking left Russia becuase they either disagree with the war or don't want to get drafted. They very clearly aren't willing to destroy themselves.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Putin is designing this 'special military operation' to last beyond his reign
      It won't go beyond him because none even fucking understands how any Russian benefits from this war, those that come after Putin will spend more time fighting between each other for Russia to maintain active war in Ukraine
      >Russian schools that prepare kids for a life of military service, and the economy is being restructured to account for the long-term cost of the war
      Russia is currently in deep crisis and shortage of workers, yes they have 10% shadow unemployment(you have a job but they haven't paid you in 6 months) and Russia has shortages of workers because everyone with money and skills gets the fuck away while border is open.
      >Most importantly, the Russian people are begrudgingly accepting anything the Putin regime does to them. The Russian state is stable.
      Russian society crossed Rubicon for first time since Monke got elected. You have Russian public FSB agents(Igor Girkin) publicly call Putin weak and points out how exactly. President of Tatarstan renames his post to Rais, which is same as telling Putin to go fuck himself with his centralization and Putin can't do shit

      military fortification in the South and East
      Fair point.
      >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
      Not sure this is terribly relevant to the war effort although it isn't untrue.
      's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
      Yes, but they are so awfully trained and equipped that they might as well not bother.
      's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
      Not true, the amount of materiel actually getting to the front lines isn't sufficient to sustain enough offensive capability to trouble Ukraine
      >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
      This might help them with some missile production but it still won't be enough to allow Russia to win the war. Also Russia doesn't seem to use this capability very effectively.

      I guess it's not that bad. Thank you, anons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia, in short, is running out of time. And Putin is going to be shot by his own people.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unauthorizedly insert broom handle in his ass*

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who's the anime girl

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kanata Sorami from Sora no Woto

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_of_the_Sky

      Recommended. I feel it's too short, only 13 episodes. they do quite well with that, but it should have been designed as a 24-ep series. The final 13th after-story sets up a strong premise to do another series, which could be amazing. Unfortunately, it really bombed as a commercial success and was never revisited. As far as a success in the community, it's considered one of the high-quality sleeper stories of all time. Had a lot going for it and never quite reached its potential, but it's still damned fine anime. Really fantastic soundtrack.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, it seems this thread was good for something after all, thank you kindly anon.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Time might not be on Ukraines side, but it's definitely on NATOs side. Every day this continues, the balance of power tilts further towards the west.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Emperor Xi will suppry Wussia with our own HIMALS system. It is over for the West.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vely Implessive

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Time is not on Ukraine's side.
    yeah....it is

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Time is not on Ukraine's side.
      >yeah....it is

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.
    Yes you are, shut the fuck up.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bro has cancer

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if anything, as long as the political will is there, theres no way Russia can outlast the west when it comes to economy

    in 11 months they have lost like 30% of their attack helicopter and 10-20% of everything else

    these are crippling losses, does it guarantee a russian defeat? no, but its not sustainable, Ukraine does not want a long conflict, but russia very likely faces complete defeat if they dont wrap this up

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East
    Fortifications do not mean much if they cannot be armed.
    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    It's not resilient at all, it was predicted from the 2022 onset that it'd take about a year for the cracks to creep in and we're already hearing news about people being unable to withdraw money from banks.
    Not being able to buy sugar was an early one, too.
    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    "train" in the sense that they show them how to fire a gun once.
    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    So nothing
    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Sanctions were never going to totally embargo Russia, but they are already unable to get most of their important stuff. By all means, Russia has had a broken war machine for the last 6 years.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167193
    Read this Yale research paper from a few months ago.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Many sanctions are only now starting to have real effects. We had to wait for Russia had to go through stockpiles, sanctions had time limits to go into effect, foreign exchange had to be drawn down, western countries had to build alternative energy infrastructure, western companies had to divest, etc.. Russia is only now starting to lose important market access, ability to import, and burn through their stockpiles. The Russian Army meanwhile is continuing to lose more equipment and munitions than Russia can ever hope to replace/refurbish from their finite stockpiles. Ukraine continues to get stronger every single day as more men get trained and equipment gets donated from near infinite western stockpiles and reserves. Logistics (Russian rail and truck fleets are failing), firepower (Russian artillery barrels, tank counts, and artillery ammunition reserves continue to dwindle), and public support (support in Russia has fallen off a cliff) are what is going to matter. All of these problems are easily available online for all to see. Morale in Ukraine is the highest it has ever been. Russian military production is far below their usage, their economy is failing, and a couple million Mobiks are just more meat for NATO artillery and another nail in Russian demographics.

    Cope and seethe. .

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Many sanctions are only now starting to have real effects.
      cope, you chuds were saying the same thing in march. they'll still be only now starting to have real effects a decade from now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rambir Shitsonstreet.wrote this post.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >only now starting to have real effects a decade from now.
          Some of them unironically will, there will be machines in russian industry that last years or even decades before wearing out or breaking down and only then will the relevant sanctions come into effect as the russians discover they cannot import replacements
          The west was always fighting a long war, the russians are just late to game as usual

          lol looks like one of the NAFO bots failed to update its scripts.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >only now starting to have real effects a decade from now.
        Some of them unironically will, there will be machines in russian industry that last years or even decades before wearing out or breaking down and only then will the relevant sanctions come into effect as the russians discover they cannot import replacements
        The west was always fighting a long war, the russians are just late to game as usual

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The key flaw in your reasoning is that while you are attempting to co sider russias capability to fight a long war you are neglecting to consider Ukraine's amity to do the same
    Ukraine is backed by a coalition of economies that is collectively more than a hundred times than the russian one, as well as being significantly more technologically advanced.
    Ukraine has far more capacity for a long war than Russia does. Frankly, its not even a contest

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East
    What does this even mean
    >They have a fort and some trenches over there
    >Then we lost, it's too late to attack
    also
    >paper mache dragon teeth

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Russia still have McDonalds open, Ukraine lost

    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    >Russian commander beating 10 mobiks with a baton because they let 2 volunteer soldiers die who are worth 2x more because they are more motivated and trained than mobiks who were too poor/stupid to leave the country

    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    Because Russia is making new gear fresh off the production line and delivering it straight to the front right?
    >Tourniquets made in the 70's
    >AK-74's and AKM's dug out from scrap heaps that were so beat to shit that the Communists in Africa didn't want them
    >Not enough winter clothing
    >10 months into a 3 day special military operation

    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    This happens everywhere, doesn't mean it's not good or bad for Russia, but if someone wants a thing, they will get that thing.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    y-you must know Eddym is the most sus looking account ever right

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why the FUCK would I EVER browse twitter, a site that only recently had a huge bot problem and manipulated the views algorithm to curate trending items?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's gotten a lot of better since Musk took over ownership. For one you can now question THE NARRATIVE and not get banned for it. You can misgender trannies, you can discuss the possibility of these new Covid vaccines causing Myocarditis, you can openly criticize the Biden administration while the FBI seethes powerlessly, you can discuss Biden's rotten degenerate family without getting banned from the site, I'm even seeing people straight up posting gun content on Twitter now (short videos and pictures), it's quite to engage in some weapons grade autistic trolling now. Musk will either save this shit hole or run it to the ground in the process.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So it's become 4chan. No surprise there. Musk is a 4chantard, figures he'd go full retard and shit himself in public.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Musk is going to choose between your muh free speech and being a billionaire and we both know what he's going to pick, if he can.
          Twitter's on its last legs.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    Russian doesn't have this ability.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What time frame are you speaking of? Like how many days?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not a vatnik shill
    SHINY AND CHROME FOR THE PUTIN BROTHER GOIDA! GOIDA!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SHINY AND CHROME FOR THE PUTIN BROTHER GOIDA! GOIDA!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds about russian
        >i feel very strongly until i have to do something to support it.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The conclusion of this war is not at all certain.
    It is. Russia is finished. I can finally wake up from it's nightmare

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You have it backwards. Time is not and never has been on Russia's side. The goal was a repeat of Crimea and Georgia, to present the world with a fait acompli, a done deal. You take over the capital, your death squads purge everyone on the kill lists and now you own Ukraine. And there is nothing that can be done about it, because all the anti-Russia people are now dead.
    Every day past the first week of the Special Military Operation has been bad for Russia.
    To address your points briefly:,
    Russia has military fortifications, but what good are fortifications you can't supply?
    There is no more Russian economy, what you see is a corpse being puppeted around by a woman too good for Russia.
    Russia does not and never did have the capability to train troops, it's one of their issues.
    Russia has no domestic production for anything more complex than a T34.
    Sneaking things past sanctions is something few nations that could feasibly would dare, for fear of sanctions. It's not something you can build a war economy around.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted to disagree at first, but sadly I guess think the same. While Russia does not gain much by prolonging this war, it obviously is in a much better position than Ukraine in terms of attrition warfare. Russia will never outlive the West, but it can outlive Ukraine, because the West, despite constantly signalling that they support Ukraine and want it to win, are not doing enough for Ukrainian victory. Sanctions could have been more rational, because banning SWIFT in Russia and restricting visas to ordinary Russians only played into Putin's shaky hands, as he accumulated more wealth and power over population, and Europe still buys Russian oil, gas, coal and wheat, not directly now, but through China, India, Turkey etc. If the West wanted Ukraine to win decisively, it would not pump money into Russia last year, but send more weapons to UAF, not only old Soviet stuff like BMP-1 and Slovenian T-55(!!!), but more modern and deadlier things like Gripen, Leos and others, even fucking Tomcats would work. But it seems like the West was and still is very afraid to escalate, and that's why Western politicians are still ready to sell Ukrainian people and land which is currently occupied by RuAF to Putin. Probably they are afraid of nukes, of a probability of a continuous economic recession caused by lack of natural resources if Russia stops selling them even through proxies, or maybe they don't really care about who wins in the end, and will do business as usual with Putin after some sort of ceasefire starts.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Tbo47aV.png

      First off, I'm not a vatnik shill. Putin is bad, etc etc. Don't blindly dismiss what I'm saying.

      The conclusion of this war is not at all certain. Ultimately it depends on a lot of factors, such as:

      >Russian military fortification in the South and East

      >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions

      >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time

      >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.

      >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.

      western support can improve 10 folds in quantity without even touching anything less than 30 yo.
      Ukrainians can die by the millions for 10 years if need be. For them, it’s dying with a weapon in their hand or the genocide of their people (and their ethnicity, their culture, language etc) and annihilation of their country.
      Look at France in WW1 for an idea of what a country of nearly the same size and population can commit in a defensive war (3.8 millions soldiers in 2 weeks in august 1914, 8.5 millions for the whole war).

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.
    Well tried

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's extremely obvious that Putin is hoping to fill occupied land with mobiks and drag the war out as long as possible while western society forgets about war and western administrations change via elections and shift to other issues. Unless Ukraine starts another counter offensive, we're back to pre-february situation with Russia occupying a bunch of land. Ukrainian rhetoric in 2014 was the same, "we're gonna retake everything". I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years Ukraine loses everything east of Dniepr. Write your rep to give Ukraine more aid so this doesn't happen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. The big difference was that in 2014 Russia could play the threat of invading Ukraine to temper down the conflict or send a few BTG to heat it up at will. The value of that threat disapear when you played your card and botched it.
      Ukraine is done with russian shit, and will fight until they get the rusdians out and every piece of land back.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Elections will change things
      You do realise pretty much all parties in Europe outside of the fringe are pro Ukraine aid right outside of a few examples.
      Regardless of which party gets voted in, the aid will flow.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone in the West who still sides with Russia is a certified guaranteed traitor and should be hanged.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, even Japan is increasing their military spending and asking the US to sell them tomahawks because of the invasion. Literally no one is going to forget about this, the aid will flow.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny thing. Lend-Lease passed. Which means that if the US government forgets about the war, the aid will keep flowing uninterrupted. It now takes actual, deliberate, committed action by the US government to STOP sending aid.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. The GOP needs to back the fuck off on Ukraine. Or they're going to be relentlessly bashed for being seen as pro-Russian.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > "going to be"
          The GOP has been sucking russian cock for at least three decades at this point. They suddenly start making mumbling noises about maybe they should only be sucking most of the russian cock on 24 February 2022 ... because they helped it to happen ... and now it's all "Oh, some day in the future people are "going to" maybe find out about our treason! Our legacy! Our legacy! We should maybe try to get some sound bites out to gaslight the world about our Freedom Fighting."

          The repugnicuck party is mostly vatmorons at this point. Every fucking one of them needs to be hanged for treason against the United States.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill
    And I'm not a racist, BUT...

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East
    We haven't seen much, knee deep trenches and 200kg "dragons teeth" aren't a big deal.
    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Sanctions are a slow burn, we won't know if they are able to resist them for anther year or two.
    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    This is an issue for Ukraine, Russia is willing to throw huge amounts of manpower in but thankfully low moral has limited their effectiveness so far. If Russian propaganda manages to solve this Ukraine will be in real trouble.
    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    Have we seen this? Weapons and ammo produced since the invasion in significant numbers?
    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    China having domestic chip production is the biggest issue for sanctions as they will happily sell them to Russia, we might also see Indian trucks in Russia soon as Russian vehicle manufacturing is basically dead.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    You are confusing lies and propaganda with resilience.
    Google can say 1 ruble is worth 1000 dollars but nobody wants to touch that currency with a 10 ft pole and the cost of actually exchanging it to real money in russia is very very different from what they claim online.
    There was a short term loan offering for breads in stores last i heard for anyine from there

    Lying about the sanctions not impacting your lower classes doesnt mean they actually dont.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Eddym87861638
    WorldWarWang is a shitposting account, right? He isn't that stupid, right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eddy "lives in Berlin" but his entire timeline is in French for some reason

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia won't win on Ukraine, because Putin fucked up. Putin will not rule over Europe, no matter how many mobiks he can send into the grinder.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This is Helmut from East Berlin oblast, I can confirm that the situation is just as described in the quoted post and that we're all very demoralized here.

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    lol.
    lmao even

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    military fortification in the South and East
    Maybe but their fortifications don't look that great
    >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Their economy is shrinking
    's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    They will have 500k badly trained troops by May but Ukrainians by then will also be at their strongest with better equipment
    's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    dunno about that so no comment
    >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Iran, North Korea, and who else?

    We're gonna have a big slugfest in May and from there we will see who is going to win the war. Either Ukrainians get crazy K:D of 5:1 or higher or Russian strategy of throwing bodies at the problem results in a Pyrrhic victory for Russia.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    minutes
    >336 hours
    >14 days
    >a fortnight

    Russia, a global superpower is struggling to fight a conventional war against a tiny breadbasket nation that is second in corruption in Europe (guess which one is the top). This isn't some guerilla-hiding-in-mountains bullshit that the Taliban or the Vietnam could pull of with home-field advantage. You couldn't ask for a more advantageous geography to invade. The war went from two weeks to nearly a year so far. The failure of the Russian army, the casualties they have received, the internal and external corruption exposed in their armed forces and government and the sheer desperation of their tactics has been to put it lightly, comical.
    The issue isn't whether Russia will "inevitably" win or whether Ukraine will eventually lose, it's the fact this discussion is occurring at all. Russia, on paper, should have demolished Ukraine in days. As it turned out, the only bigger comedian in office than the Ukraine president is the one in a Vatnik bunker somewhere.

    It honestly doesn't matter how this war turns out now. I personally believe there will be a stalemate and the Russians will permanently 'occupy' the new regions they have kept in the East (I don't think a major Ukrainian counter offensive is likely). Russia has humiliated itself in pretty much every way a nation could humilate itself, and has become such as laughing stock that even it's anyone-but-the-West allies are looking at it ready to cannibalise it's carcass when Putin eventually dies from suicide and throws himself in a river in a black bag.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians will get back their territory. They simply want it more than the Russians do now. Russian morale is rock-bottom, and the Ukrainians can smell the blood in the water.

      Sure Russia can temporarily hold back the flood with sheer numbers, but sooner or later, their shit-tier morale will reach the breaking point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Ukrainians will get back their territory. They simply want it more than the Russians do now.
        I am not saying that the Ukrainians are bad or incapable. I am saying that even with Russia being as shit as it is now, it's still a force to be reckoned with or at the very least, consists of a flesh wall. Chances are that Russia will mine the fuck and do other preventative things out of everywhere they can to make an offensive extremely costly. Monke will eventually rotate out troops with new ones to keep what exists of morale fresh. Russia's population is brainwashed and docile enough to remain quiet. Ukraine will likely lose the major regions occupied in the East, but Russia will fail in all it's objectives otherwise.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which is why I advocate a blunt but effective strategy to grind Russia down BACK.

          Strike the weak points in its armor: namely its military manufacturing & logistics inside Russia. Sabotage. Russia will literally run out of fucking everything to use in Ukraine, except bodies. And sanction anyone who tries to supply weapons to Russia, to the point of homing in on individuals.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then the solution is simple.

            To parody a Marxist expression, "Destroy The Means Of War Production" inside Russia.

            Without the means to manufacture armaments, Russia cannot fight forever.

            Post-script: and if that still isn't enough to beat reason into Putin's head, since we're not using it anyway, start sabotaging the Russian oil refineries themselves. Russia is an oil economy. Strike the source of its funds that support a fucking genocide.

            Strangle Russia.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And don't say that's "going too far". Russia opened that Pandora's Box the moment they decided on a campaign of terror to freeze the Ukrainian people to death.

              A critical infrastructure campaign for a critical infrastructure campaign. Russians only care about money, so take it from them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Ukrainians will get back their territory. They simply want it more than the Russians do now.
      I am not saying that the Ukrainians are bad or incapable. I am saying that even with Russia being as shit as it is now, it's still a force to be reckoned with or at the very least, consists of a flesh wall. Chances are that Russia will mine the fuck and do other preventative things out of everywhere they can to make an offensive extremely costly. Monke will eventually rotate out troops with new ones to keep what exists of morale fresh. Russia's population is brainwashed and docile enough to remain quiet. Ukraine will likely lose the major regions occupied in the East, but Russia will fail in all it's objectives otherwise.

      NOOOOOO UKRAINE IS A SUPER POWER AND RUSSIA WILL COLLAPSE ON ITS OWN 2 MORE WEEKS NO NEED FOR WESTERN SUPPORT YOU CANT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION SUPPORTED BY REASONABLE ARGUMENTS YOU MUST BE A VATNIG SHILL

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    go back to reddlt kthx

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank you for your input, that means we should send more support to Ukraine.

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    military fortification in the South and East
    Unknown
    >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    >Remains uncertain, perhaps doubtful
    's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    Doubtful they will get sufficient training, equipment, or logistical support
    's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    Doubtful
    >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Unknown

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Resilience to sanctions

      Yawns. Strike the oil industry. That's their main source of revenue.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Impossible as long as the Dutch refuse to pump from Groningen

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia can outspend the west
    >this defenitely wont end again the same way the cold war did where ussr wasnt able to keep up with military spending of the west

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian GDP is less than that of Italy. Their enormous military budget is forcing cuts in other sectors.

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one more thing not noticed in this thread is that lend-lease im its current form will last for only 9 more months - till the end of FY2023. Ater that russian assets in house of representatives may start doing something stupid. I'm not sure EU will be able to carry Ukraine on its own.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally everything you said is irrelevant. There are only 2 factors in this war:
    1) How much stuff will Ukraine get from US.
    2) How much longer can Putin can "control" dozens of different armed formations that he let spawn in Russia.
    One or the other will be a deciding factor. Literally nothing else matters in the slightest.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are so many rogue pro-Russian factions in Ukraine, I wonder how hard it would be to get them to fight each other more openly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are fighting online already. Also in a way they started fighting irl a bit. Apparently, Wagner is not getting stuff that they need or getting it late from the regular Army (Wagner can't procure anything but small arms and shit). Clearly some sort of sabotage on that front is already happening.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russian military hates Wagner. One, they're PAID and can leave in just 6 months. Two, their leader insults them regularly. Three, the Wagner guys are fucking trash. They're just convicts and the Russian conscripts know it.

          They will use it to enact repressions not seen since Stalin. They will blame everything on Putin and his fifth column (Putin will be called CIA agent 10 minutes after his death). The country will turn inwards completely and will resemble North Korea in less than a decade.

          Basically a death spiral. Everyone educated will flee, and the repressed minorities will openly fight for secession. And the Russian military will be so fucking weakened by sanctions without end, they'll be worn down by intra-conflict.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >One, they're PAID and can leave in just 6 months. Two, their leader insults them regularly. Three, the Wagner guys are fucking trash.
            There is more. Wagnerites are the ones that are responsible for keeping refusniks in basements and torturing them until they change their mind.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah. I predict many Wagner leaders are going to have "accidents" soon. They'll be ordered into Uriah Gambits.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wagner leaders are going to have "accidents" soon
                They've been having "accidents" the whole time. No one's HQs are getting hit as hard and as frequently as Wagner's. I don't believe that to be a coincidence. Pretty sure that either FSB or Army is leaking their positions.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yup. Probably vice versa too. Wagner knows they've made enemies in the military. So they snitch to Ukraine back.

                All factions are using the Ukrainians to proxy-murder their rivals. No fingerprints, free assassinations.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The resilience of Russia's economy
    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you just know unclassified transactions are camsites+onlyfans revenue

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Mexico is more industrialised

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Of course. Mexico is close to the US and has a vested interest in industrializing. They benefit from being a Not-China China.

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    lol
    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    lmao even

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder how many of those troops are riddled with AIDS and/or COVID. I doubt Russia can be particular right now about the potential spread of something called DISEASE.

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the stuff about McCarthy agreeing to stop aid to Ukraine in exchange for being house speaker actually bullshit or are the Republicans going to try and cut off any packages they can after the lend lease runs out?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The far right in the US is basically owned by Russia and echoes their propaganda points word for word, they'll do everything they can to delay and disrupt but they don't have the numbers to stop everything.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not to mention we are now aware of their treachery. The backstabbers stupidly revealed themselves when the war began.

        Follow the money trail.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Follow the money trail.
          you mean the bribes your current potus bragged about taking from ukraine? that sounds like an excellent thing for the new republican leadership to investigate.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you mean [head canon]?
            poltards thinking that biden, zelensky, etc are literally pocketing aid money is fucking hilarious

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not to mention it's stupid to pocket aid money when you'll make a fuckton of cash off reconstruction contracts.

              Agriculture, defense, residential, infrastructure, education.......that's a shit load of money in contracts. Lot of long-term development money.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But then again Vatniks never grasped what REAL moneymaking is. You rebuild a nation, and you are in its debt for generations.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not realizing that you can pocket aid money and reconstruction money
                you'll never make it in the graft business, incel.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Graft is for amateurs. Constructing an ENTIRE economy is where the real money. You build the connections.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Republicans suddenly caring about money laundering
          Poetry.

  63. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on Russia, with a growing lack of materiel and political instability, performing a laundry list of things it couldn't do when it was far, far easier to do them.

    So yeah, if Russia can stop behaving like Russia and do a whole load of things we know Russia is terrible at.

    Reminds me a bit of those "Germany could have won the war" posts that always depend on things Germany was constitutionally incapable of physically, practically, politically and ideologically.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt it. The Russians are increasingly desperate and visibly lashing out in haste and impatience.

      The Ukrainians are patient and methodical.

      Surovikin's good at combined arms but he's still an unimaginative, vicious brute with a background in CRIME. He is NOT Valeriy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Surovikin's good at combined arms
        uh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany would have won the war the Steiner just made that counter attack

  64. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >First off, I'm not a vatnik shill.
    >spew typical vatnik bullshit

    kek

  65. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of the stuff you wrote exists, retard. Fuck off if you don’t understand war
    >p-please just explain why I’m wrong
    No.

  66. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As long as the west supports Ukraine, time will eternally be on Ukraine's side. It is really that simple. No country can bear the burden of all out war on its own indefinitely; it is something that has repeatedly been proven a logistical and economic impossibility. This was true in WW1 and in WW2, and will prove true once again. A long war favors the least isolated, and history has proven this, again, and again, and again.

    And Russia...is almost completely isolated. The few allies they have, either are in no position to support them for a protracted period of time, intend to fleece Russia for everything they got, or only pay lip service while denying them almost all useful aid. Most of the time, a mix of all 3.

    Will Russia keel over next month? Probably not. Industrial economies can last for a long fucking time even in total isolation, and typically their capacity for warfare will outlast their financial solvency. It it will lead to further isolation as they simply run out of viable surplus to trade with their allies, it will lead to further degradation of everyone's standard of living and with that typically the popularity of a war of aggression. And it will progressively complicate recovery. Though their dumbass, shortsighted "economic reforms" pretty much have ensured there will be no recovery

  67. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the conclusion depends on:
    >The guys who folded multiple times already not folding again under pressure this time
    >The Russian economy, held together by the economic equivalent of spit, duct tape and twist ties, not finally showing the severe cracks already there to the population before total collapse
    >The abillity of the incompetent to train the unwilling
    >Russia's domestic production capabillities in the year of our Lord 2023 (aka them polishing the rust of previously forgotten Soviet gear that hasn't completele decayed yet)
    >Their income from smuggling raw resources for rock bottom prices instead of their previous sales at market prices
    Kay then, sounds like they're fucked already, and will be increasingly fucked as the conflict goes on.

  68. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East

  69. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions

  70. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time

  71. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.

  72. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.

  73. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Objectively incorrect. Russia has been degrading over the entire last year and continues to degrade while Ukraine troops get rotated into NATO countries for training.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't help they KILLED many of their own trainers, lol. They also conscripted fucking cadets and sent them to their deaths.

      Ukrainians do not SQUANDER their manpower. They never make a stand that does not serve a purpose.

  74. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: people who fell victim to nato propaganda and have forgotten about putins statement months ago where he explicitly mentioned he wants a buffer state between Russia and nato.

    Putin doesn’t want to take all of the Ukraine, that was never his intention from the beginning. I suggest you go back and re watch unedited speeches from Putin from 2022. NATO posters really need to rope themselves and I say that as an American. The war will be over the moment Ukraine surrenders the eastern part of the country so Russia can turn it into a DMZ

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The war will be over when the Russian invaders kindly "Fuck off". Ukraine will settle for nothing else.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad for you that Ukraine doesn’t get to decide, since it isn’t and has never been sovereign.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          THAT attitude is why Ukraine must win on the battlefield.

          Keep fighting, Ukraine. Kill all they send.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Too bad for you that Ukraine doesn’t get to decide

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And poolack army in ukraine has ended up as a feed for stray dogs. Cope nafo chud, when the west wakes up poolacks will he nothing but a feint memory

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Want some rice with that curry?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Poolack mad. Every nation is better than you poolack scum. Even Blacks living in mud huts are more civilised than you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hoes mad!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope

      verification not required

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ask your handler for some new material.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why did he stop bitching about the Baltics joining NATO? Answer: because all of his statements are bullshit. He wants Ukraine's oil, gas, and food. He wants control of the Black Sea. He wants what he's always wanted: more money, more power, and because he got greedy he'll have less of both when all is said and done.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Putin wants buffers between Russia and nato
        >baltics join nato, no longer independent buffers
        >why did Putin not like this?

        Gee idk anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm more American than you and I've never even fucking been there.

      Too bad for you that Ukraine doesn’t get to decide, since it isn’t and has never been sovereign.

      Listen, you delusional methhead, whether someone or something is sovereign is not determined de jure but de facto so that is some weird cope. If some lads control a region to the point of dictating and enforcing laws and culture, and you have literally no control over said region, that region is sovereign. Taiwan is sovereign, Kosevo is sovereign and Ukraine is, guess what, fucking sovereign. Whether their right to exist as a sovereign entity is recognize is another matter in its entirety. And yes, prior to Russia hitting them with the "what the fuck did you think would happen you brainlets, now on your knees and suck this officers cock", Donetsk and Luhansk, were, indeed, sovereign.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This post is going to cause intense sperging. If it does you’ll know you’re right on target anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This post is going to cause intense sperging. If it does you’ll know you’re right on target anon.

      do you fags really think this looks organic?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everything I disagree with is a paid shill
        Ukraine newfags are almost as bad as election tourists

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The take is so fucking retarded, and such a massive fucking cope, that its natural to assume that no normal person would hold it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine is its own country, no matter how many Vatnik fuckers it has to KILL to prove it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ad Homs do not dispute anything I just said. Go watch the video yourself. I’m sorry that you’re a European and you’re scared. America is currently in peace time(national service defense medal is no longer authorized) the armed forces don’t care about Ukraine, Ukraine is barely mentioned in the national defense strategy document for 2023. We are more focused on getting ready to fight china this decade. Putin just wants his buffer zone. The faster that comes the faster everyone can move on and prepare for the war with china which is significantly more important that Ukraine

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Putin wants his buffer zone

              We've heard that bullshit before. Every time we "reason" with Putin, he goes after some other country.

              CRUSH HIM NOW, and be done with it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You write like an emotional woman.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that the best you can come up with for a comeback? Weak.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its the position of vatmorons and western 5th columnists.
            It was even more hilarious when they tried to imply PrepHole was always a pro-russia board just because we liked dirt cheap soviet milsurp in the mid-2000s.
            I really don’t understand why anybody would be pro-russia, period. Theyre like a cargo cult of the USA except they manage to do everything fucking worse.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he doesn’t care about Ukraine, only cares about fighting china
              >therefore he is pro Russia
              Your brain on zoomer education

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t no education

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              PrepHole was always anti-poolack you reddit chud. After Russia pacifies ukraine poolacks will fall in a week

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And when Ukraine crushes Russia like a beer can?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then real American patriots like YE and Fuentes need to win 2024 elections and destroy poolacks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukrainians are already dealing with poolacks in an appropriate manner

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't matter, he's not in power position anymore to create a buffer zone in another state
      Maybe he should create a buffer zone within his own borders

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we don't NEED to take ukraine!
      Lol. Lmao even.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only buffer zone here is going to be Russia itself, and by buffer zone, I mean a wasteland stretching from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok so poisoned by radiation that it is completely unfit for human life.

      > The war will be over the moment Ukraine surrenders the eastern part of the country so Russia can turn it into a DMZ

      Ukraine will surrender when Hell freezes over.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine should at least build a massive line of fortifications along its border with Russia AND Belarus.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine and NATO should march into Russia and slaughter every last man, woman, and child. Finish what Germany started in 1941 with eradicating the degenerate human plague known as Russians.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. NATO and Russia should make peace and exterminate all poolacks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Posting this is futile anon, the board is infested by retarded Europeans. It’s no surprise America uses most of Europe as a slave colonies and drop their military bases there. America should have annexed Europe back in WW2 when it had the chance. We’d have less retards on this board if it did

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

  75. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East
    Fortifications are a meme in modern war, HIMARS doesn't care about your fortification

    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Their economy is on a downward spiral and people are very unhappy about it, what resilience?

    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    If they're anything like the current trained troops, they're worthless

    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    Literally failing to meet quotas all the time, that's why they're using Soviet-era equipment

    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Only point you have that has any validity but it's moot without the others

  76. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    Considering theyre throwing conscripts with a week’s training to the frontlines, it is heavily doubtful this will resolve in their favor.
    's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    They have been reduced to sending t62s given to them from india for factory upgrades to the frontlines. Heavily doubtful they’ll be able to get any new production lines going under sanctions if they’re pulling shit like this just to get anything to the front.
    >>Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Buying drones from Iran which they can’t use currently because theyre shit and not cold weather proofed, and buying artillery shells from north korea seems to be about the best they can do.
    >>The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    Their economy is in the shitter currently with zero signs of recovery.
    n military fortification in the South and East
    considering they put out hollow concrete “dragon’s teeth” as anti-tank emplacements, I really doubt what fortifications they have are worthwhile, and thats not even getting into Ukraine’s ability to just blow them to shit with western supplied materiel.

    All in all I’m personally expecting the war to limp along for another year. Its winter. Ukraine can take all the time it needs to bleed Russia, and russia has proven time and time again that theyre not rational actors throughout any of this, so theres not much to expect of them to change how theyre waging this war, which is incredibly poorly.

    I’m not expecting Ukraine to march on moscow by spring if they EVER do? but russia sure as fuck isn’t going to be able to make any headway in this war in any meaningful sense.

  77. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian military fortification in the South and East
    >The resilience of Russia's economy and society to withstand sanctions
    >Russia's ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops within a respectable amount of time
    >Russia's capability to maintain high production quotas that go to the frontlines.
    >Grey market and third-party economies that provide sanctioned materials to Russia.
    Anon its 2020s and not 1820s ...

  78. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe you're right but for the wrong reasons
    https://archive.is/S2KzA

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neither of these chucklefucks have any credibility with anyone other than other right wing chicklefucks. There is no redemption arc remaining for either of them.

      Even if their "opinions" are core correct, they do massive damage by inserting their polluted names into the conversation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >proudly voted for obama, hillary, and biden
        >be called right wing anyway

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a pair of degenerate Bush cronies who lost not one but TWO wars to literal fucking sandmorons have a retarded opinion

      You might as well be asking Robert McNamara for his opinion by this point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hate Latuff so much

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Latuff

          Latuff is a gay 99.9% of the time yes, but his George W. Bush-era work was PrepHoleino.

          If the US keeps losing, why is Latuff constantly mad?

          >why is Latuff constantly mad?

          He's Palestinian, it's in his nature.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Latuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If the US keeps losing, why is Latuff constantly mad?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Opinion side
      >Time is not on Ukraine's

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you don't conquer russia before the battle timer ends, you lose. sad, but true.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Full article for reference.

      Basically, they re-visited March 2022 and regurgitated what most people were saying about Ukraine. But, now they put their name on what other people figured out a year ago so they can now claim they were "prescient" or some such fucking shit. Which is rich coming from Condi aluminum toobz mushroom cloud yellow cake new shoes Rice, and Gates, one of the most massive failures the U.S. was ever stupid enough to put in the position. With predictable autistic tourette's, they spend half the piece sniping at Biden for their own failures.

      It marks a good reference point where republicans are trying to rewrite history into something where they didn't spend the last three decades hoovering up russian crime cartel money to fund their campaigns, lawsuits, Real Authentic Texass Ranches, and luxury yachts.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She's just saying what most of the gays here are telling: that we should send more and more effective weapons to Ukraine in order not to have to be directly involved later on.

  79. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can tell who the shills are by simply noticing the overused and uncreative memes that get dumped

    cia/ukrop shills are thick on this board but the ruskies got a few too

    they are all gays, as an american i dont give a fuck about either side

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fifth columnist, please go back to 4chan.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >back to pol

        exactly, why the fuck is K full of these gay ass shill threads? i mean, what fucking weapon or weapon system is even being discussed here?

        its just a muh putin bad echo chamber

        you gays need to fuck off to reddit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Reddit! Reddit reddit. Reddit? Reddit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes John from Ohio Oblast, I agree. I am of givings zero fucks about both sides, especially the ukiepiggies.

            [...]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes John from Ohio Oblast, I agree. I am of givings zero fucks about both sides, especially the ukiepiggies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're truly unbearable
      just tell them to go back to where they got their shitty "memes" from

      [...]

      and

      [...]

      it really drives them mad

  80. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares, what's important is that hordes of Russians will die in the process.

  81. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US has already gotten it's money's worth dragging out the shit show for a year. Geopolitically, even if Ukraine collapsed tomorrow it would still be a Russian loss.

  82. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  83. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the squares are brigades meaning vatniks are gods of war than also they have like 400k russians outside ukraines borders with 1k of russian soldiers being sent every day to Belarus. When Kiev falls PrepHole is going to have to fight off the /chug/ invasion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      these are just identified units you stupid fuck

  84. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a retard. Time is obviously on Ukraines side. Even if Russia defeats them militarily, which is doubtful, all Ukraine would have to do is start fighting an insurgency to drain Russian willpower and resources. Ukraine inherently has the advantage here. And before anyone says the don’t have a geography for an insurgency, look at what happened in Iraq, retard. Some of the fiercest areas of resistance were in cities in relatively flat areas.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine already has extensive partisan networks in the country. They wouldn't be hard to convert to insurgents in the event the country's military is defeated.

      LOT of Ukrainian civilians want Russians DEAD.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do the math on numbers Lena. If both sides are trading losses for a prolonged period it's over even with western munitions

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians can't fight at ALL if you take away their command & control + Logistics. You strike your enemy's weak points to cripple him.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US killed countless Iraqis and it didn’t change a fuckin thing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        these people just won't get it, russia ISN'T COLLAPSING in two week, for all intense and purposes russia can keep this level of intensity indefinitely, while ukraine sure as hell can't.
        especially when you consider the west keeps refusing sending ukraine any big boy weapons and sure as hell aren't going to intervene directly, preconditions necessary for ukraine to achieve victory.
        sure russia has lost strategically, but ukraine is fighting for its existence

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >refusing sending ukraine any big boy weapons
          As if HIMARS didn't cause ceaseless Russian whining. Now Ukraine is getting more ammo for just about everything as well as Bradleys.
          Russia absolutely sure as fuck will run out of materiel before Ukraine, because there's an entire western lend-lease program going on that Russia doesn't have. Russia's armor divisions have been reduced to pulling ancient tanks from storage.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not to mention Russia has had to resort to stealing computer chips, lol. Sure they have chip stockpiles, but we'll find them sooner or later.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Strike Russia's Logistics & Command + Control.

          No supplies, no direction = no more enemy. They can't move (no fuel), they can't fire (no ammo), they can't make decisions (no commanders). All they can do is die.

  85. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck off back to plebbit, retard.

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