Thoughts on this new north korean tank? Is more or less real than the armata?

Thoughts on this new north korean tank? Is more or less real than the armata?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda looks like a body kit

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/new-north-korean-mbt/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2020_tank

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Armata the second

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, probably more real. North Korea spends much higher % of GDP on military than POCCIA. That being said it most likely only looks like a modern tank.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is already more of them, than there is of Armata.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. it can move
    2. it's made from cardboard
    so 10% more real than Armata

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cardboard
      They upgraded to plywood in the fricking 90s you arrogant frick.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fricking north korea has better tanks to show off at parades than ziggers do

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would you need a TOW launcher if you have a good balistic computer for your main gun? same with russian tanks 2K25 Krasnopol

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They'd allow for basic surface to air capabilities in a pinch which is probably important given how mountainous korea is.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The tank has zero actual fire control. It's a TOW carrier (or Kornet, whatever China gibs them).

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This missile has much more penetration and accuracy at 3+km than Soviet tank guns.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Soviet tank guns.
        Those guns can shoot ATGM with 4-5 km of range.

        Soviets guns never were bad in first place. The problem is the carousel of the self-loader that makes them vulnerable and harder to use long darts.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Those guns can shoot ATGM with 4-5 km of range
          Those have 125mm caliber vs 150mm of add in launcher and penetrate less, 900mm vs 1200mm. Also double add on launcher can fire 2 missiles at once to counter APS.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >900mm vs 1200mm.
            If they're of comparable tech and standoff then the difference would be 900 vs 1080 mm. Still a 20% of improvement. At the cost of having exposed ammo to any shrapnel.

            >to counter APS
            Wishful thinking. Even if the Trophy is limited in its current block it's able to track multiple incoming misisles, it's just a matter of adding a second epr.
            The APS iron fist already does that.
            That without taking into account future APS's with better range.
            2 identical missiles isn't gonna work against APS irl.

            IRL the mindless spamming of missiles is a waste of time and the operator is gonna be located immediately.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              > second epr.
              second EFP.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          soviet tanks can shoot ATGM from barrel, which is better than having extra ATGM added on top

          Any shaped charge has it's penetration limited by the charge diameter, an external launcher allows for a larger charge diameter and better pen.
          Not the worst option if you are short on money and want to up-gun your tanks without actually replacing the gun.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or simply add a third shaped charge on tandem, tech developed in the 90s but not even needed.
            125/120/105mm HEAT-FS is enough to destroy most tanks, let alone missiles that have less restrictions.
            The main countering to HEAT is ERA and APS (in the future) not plain protection.

            The idea of adding missiles is good but not cheap and it doesn't make tanks more useful to snipe target from 5km, just use a lighter and faster vehicle as platform.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Or simply add a third shaped charge on tandem
              Shaped charged penetration doesn't add up easily. Because shaped charge slug plugs penetration hole and following shaped charge needs to penetrate this plug. There are slugless shaped charge designscbut I am not sure anyone made stack able tandem with them.
              Anyway 125mm Reflex-M gun launched ATGM is rated for 900mm pen. 150mm Kornet is rated for 1200mm pen, winner is clear.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >plugs
                kek, pic rel.

                > is rated for 1200mm pen,
                "1000-1200mm". (100)

                >winner is clear.
                You're just concentrating all the firepower in a vehicle. 2 kornet + 1 tank is inferior to a tank with a ATGM and a vehicle with a kornet.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I forgot the pic.
            That's a HEAT-FS with more restrictions on size than a ATGM

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Reported to have 800mm pen, less than tandem 125mm Relfex-M ATGM with 900mm pen

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's old tech, compare it with contemporany HEAT-FS with 650mm of pen. 20% of improvement with a very restricted size. An warhead have fewer limitations than a HEAT-FS.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >conremporany
                contemporary

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        soviet tanks can shoot ATGM from barrel, which is better than having extra ATGM added on top

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It''s a t-55 with a body kit from the looks of it, the gunner periscope slit is still there.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      M2020 has seven road wheels and a 125mm gun, obviously not a T-55 body kit.
      Can you at least try to make better bait.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Norks are fielding Armatabrams

    They truly are best korea

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Armatabrams
      There is nothing from Armata in this tank.
      Abrams yeah. Same layout but with autoloader.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        No autoloader, they kept the gun but think the autoloader is garbage.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've always assumed these "new tanks" are mostly sheet metal and painted iron.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love how moronic these threads are
    >body kit added 4 road wheels
    >It's a Tow that came from china, ignore the North Korean Kornets being used daily in Syria
    >Everything is fake, ignore all the DPRK equipment the US military has obtained and tested
    >They don't have real tanks, ignore the hundreds used in Africa and the middle east
    >They don't have fire control, source: my ass
    >The Kornet launchers ATGM launchers are really AA
    >It's sheet metal and cardboard, ignore all of combat tested armored vehicles they have been exporting for decades

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      considering that T-34 with externally triggered gun is good enough for Syria and Africa I don't think Norks weapon presence proves it's not shit

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesn't answer any criticisims of their BS
        >Uses unrelated single isolated case that isn't even from their own example, that was Yemen
        >Adds nothing to the conversation besides proving their own ignorance of the subject matter

        Yep, nu /k/ in a nutshell.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can't use atgm's against some air targets

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon North Korea puts AA missiles on their tanks for that, you might be able to find a few pictures of them.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Moving the goalposts.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon the claim was that the Kornets were intended as AA missiles, that is silly because they use AA missiles for that. It isn't moving the goalposts, it is proving the premise of the origional statment was wrong. While ATGMs can be used (poorly) for AA in specific siduations that is obviously not the case here, especially with a nation that puts both on tanks at the same time:

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >2 ATGMs
              >2 MANPADs
              >2 AGSs
              How long until they put two cannons on there?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Raised deck over the engine, 14.5mm point defense gun.

                Although lately they have only been using single AGLs as standard, they might be calming down a bit. I hope not.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can count more of it on this picture than t-14 russia has produced so its more real

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    A couple years ago in another thread, you could clearly see it was cardboard armor put on an older tank. The pics had better angle and resolution, but the dead give away was the very bad uniformity of the armor and that you could see the actual tank under in some places.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Source: It came to me in a dream

      Are you the same guy ranting in the book thread about how Russia is going to bomb North Korea because you think they stole your magic belt buckle?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >clearly see it was cardboard armor
      They jus copied Abrams, very simple and cheap armor.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    New bodykit for T-72 dropped again?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      North Korea has exactly one T-72, a partially destroyed Iraqi Ural. T

      That is a streched out T-62 based hull with two extra road wheels based on T-72 wheels as well as the sprockets.Note that it is about 3-4 generations removed from the T-62, noticably the driver location.

      The turret is most likely a Song gun ho turret (notice really big turret ring) with the boxy add ons hiding whatever they replaced the eyebrow add on armor with.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pop goes the Wiesl

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they tan?

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    looks like an armata trying to cosplay as an abrams

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