Thoughts on this?

Which one is better?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    5.7

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rifle capacity in a pistol is pure sex

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Of those, 9mm. Just more practical.
      Not pictured, .40 or .357sig. Even more practical, gain a bit of power but lose 2 rounds per mag.
      Of all, 10mm.

      It just doesn't have the bullet mass to be a duty round. Deflects too much going through a car window or furniture, etc. Cucked out of handgun length barrels anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >only defensive ammo worth buying is grey market milfag/LEO restricted
      sasuga FN...

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is cheaper.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Might as well use an airsoft

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dumbest comment

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but it takes at least 4 to do what the .45 can do with 1

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I

        Nonsense. None of the skinny men during ww2 had an issue with 45. Perhaps you are a pussy?

        WW2 niggas literally shot 1911s slowly with one hand. you'd be laughed out of a competition if you shot like that nowadays. holding it tight with 2 hands mag dumping as fast as you think you can hit the target is the modern shooting technique.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >skinny white boys were combat effective firing .45 acp with one hand
          >muh fuddy fi has too much recoil(i have a vagina btw)
          many such cases among .45 dissidents.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just think

            Every man there was not only skinny, but malnourished from the Depression

            Also some of them are likely underaged

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And still in vastly better physical than the half-starved Jap soldiers living off a pound of rice a day

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And still in vastly better physical than the half-starved Jap soldiers living off a pound of rice a day

              9mm and 45 ACP were both designed for shooting 5'4" starving manlets over 100 years ago. It's time to move into the 21st Century where we have to content with silverback pavement apes and high-fructose corn syrup-drinking landwhales.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so what's the caliber for the future? 10mm?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                .357 sig obviously.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's time to move into the 21st Century where we have to content with silverback pavement apes and high-fructose corn syrup-drinking landwhales.

                so what's the caliber for the future? 10mm?

                Fuck it, 12.7mm, we ball

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                .45 Annihilate Colored People is still the premier choice in self defense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >hurr durr muh fuddy fahve is just too manly and rugged for you weak sissy boys
            This is cope and nothing more. Anyone who can shoot well with more recoil will shoot better with less, so .45 needs to offer some kind of other advantage to offset that. But unfortunately, it just doesn't. It remains the go to choice of fudds stuck in the past and insecure morons trying to compensate, two groups with a surprising amount of overlap.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >It remains the go to choice of fudds stuck in the past and insecure morons trying to compensate, two groups with a surprising amount of overlap.
              What if I buy a .45 and a 9x19? Now what you homosexual? I was thinking about buying a .38 after my .45 comes in, now what? Fucking homosexual.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Christ, looks like I really struck a nerve. When you're done seething, wipe the tears off your keyboard and ask me again.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            exactly. if those lanklets can win 2 world wars with one handed 1911s then you're a pussy if you can't control recoil with both hands

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Meme metric. Use .22LR then.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but it takes at least 4 to do what the .45 can do with 1
        How do 4 shots of 9 mm make them subsonic?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    whatever you have access to

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10mm

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    By choosing the 9mm you are telling everyone you never shot someone. 9mm won’t do shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which one is better?
      at what?
      .45 does more ballistic damage to the body
      9mm guns have more capacity
      both rounds can kill if you can hit your target
      /thread

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >round designed in 1901
    >modern
    >round designed in 1904
    >old and obsolete
    They are both old and obsolete grandpa

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .380

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    45
    Pistols outside of magnum velocity do not create substantial secondary or tertiary damage. This gas been shown again and again on live targets. Ballistics gel does not do a good job of representing actual performance on living issue.
    A colt walker blackpowder revolver has a velocity of 1240fps with a 143 grain round ball
    A +p 45acp has a velocity of 1225fps with a 185g bullet.
    A+p+ 9mm has a velocity of 1380 with a 115 grain bullet
    That means +p+ 9mm isnt even on par with a Colt Walker.
    Hot load 357 mag 125 grain can push 1700fps for a reference. They are usually closer o 15-1600.
    The 44 mag can move 200 grain bullets at 1500fps. The difference on target between magnums and regular pistol rounds is the terminal secondary damage.
    When you are talking the average regular loads for handguns the colt walker is more powerful than the 9mm or the 45.
    Between the 9mm and the 45 the 45 is the clear winner if like always the proper bullet is chosen for the job.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that most shooters can't manage the recoil of super hot .45 or 10mm rounds. They flinch and have slow follow up shots. If I was Jerry Miculek, I'd probably carry a 10mm loaded with super Hispanicy Buffalo Bore or even hotter hand loads, and still have faster and more accurate follow up shots than most people with a 9mm. Without the proper level of training and practice to handle big recoil, 9mm is a good combination of softer recoil and acceptable performance against a determined attacker.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nonsense. None of the skinny men during ww2 had an issue with 45. Perhaps you are a pussy?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ww2
          Anon's point was that the average dude has nowhere near that kind of combat training. Putting 2x9mm in a target is better than putting 1x0.45 then missing the followup shot. The 9mm makes sense for many people

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Men in WW2 had very little training anon. Less than you would get in 8 weeks today.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shooting is a skill. Skills require practice. "Most shooters cant"
        ALL shooters can with practice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A steel framed gun like a USP or a 1911 or a Sig makes .45acp super controllable. Obviously those are larger less concealable guns though. 1911's are very narrow and in commander length they're pretty easy to carry concealed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The problem is that most shooters can't manage the recoil of super hot .45 or 10mm rounds. They
        Joke's on you homosexual, I'm not most shooters.
        I flinch and have slow follow up shots with 9mm, so there's no downside.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do I have to bring this up every time you fags act like 1-200 ft/lbs of extra energy or an extra .1” of expansion actually matters. https://youtu.be/pdjcYjSsIok?si=EwDROyD4-KxQnRn0

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Considering you failed at such a mundane task opinion rejected

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        +- 200 ft lbs is a lot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A +p 45acp has a velocity of 1225fps with a 185g bullet.
      Average 45 acp +p ammo isn't loaded this hot. Even that 9mm is for military with tougher parts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        None of those are military loads.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >magnum velocity
      >terminal secondary damage
      you’re almost there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hot load 357 mag 125 grain can push 1700fps for a reference. They are usually closer o 15-1600.
      Nah, look at lucky gunner 125 is normally 1300-1450 minus online order only loads from Buffalo bore and underwood.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Let everyone know you don't know shit.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    357 magnum
    >but cap-
    Stop shooting like shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i carry a revolver because im a good shot!
      >what do you mean 'what are your splits?'? thats guccifag john wick shit!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but worry about splits is only acceptable for comp shooters otherwise it's a lame LARP

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To expand energy is no longer a real factor at such slow speeds. It becomes a conversation about bullet diameter and momentum. Or how much shit it will blow through before it is stopped and how big the leaky hole is.

  11. 1 month ago
    äää

    known spammer.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you look closely OP you can see in this vid a 45acp in flight and the subsequent damage.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will not stand for this slander, that was obviously a 44 magnum. This is actual footage of a 45 ACP firing, please refrain from spreading misinformation in the future

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you can legally carry a pistol with a 17 round magazine, then 9mm is probably the better choice. if you're stuck in a gay state with a 10 round limit on magazines, then .45 ACP becomes more appealing. In most situations, it doesn't really matter.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most people survive being shot by a pistol, all pistol calibers are shit. Go with whatever you can shoot well with decent capacity.
    The only exception might be 357 as it has enough energy to have a real advantage over other pistol calibers but it's up to you if you are willing to sacrifice the capacity for the power.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Skin walker, 7.62x25 gets into the 500ftlb ranges

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm because the tradeoff between size and weight is considerable while the damage output is quite negligible

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm
    45 fags can cope and seethe forever, but it won't change a thing.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whichever one has the appropriate bullet weight and powder charge for your desired application. Personally I don't use anything under 124g or less than +P

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is better overall but they are both good cartridges.
    9mm wins in pretty much every aspect but I will give .45 credit where it is due, it’s a more terminally effective round.
    I don’t know why 9mm fags can’t give an inch. Yes, the difference is negligible in most applications, but there is still a difference there.
    50% more surface area, maintaining a larger surface area throughout the depth of the wound, while typically penetrating the same or even greater on soft targets than 9mm, thanks to the large weight/momentum of the bullet.
    >you have to hit a vital anyway so it doesn’t matter
    You do, but even then .45 has a larger wound channel.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like .45 because it makes people seethe, I don't give a shit about instagram meta, and I like reloading it.

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a lonely, unhelpful fag, so yeah like every 45 user

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And you didn't post any guns.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >unhelpful
        to who? who gives a shit? what kind of reddit tranny homosexual insists on everyone being "helpful"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the fuck up lefty tranny homosexual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what's your loads and price per round? I'm content with paying 45 cpr for .45, but if you're significantly cheaper that'd be what it takes for me to get into reloading.

      I found out about a company that made gas delayed blowback conversions of the 1911, they could push a 200 gr projectile at 1450 fps using .45 Super brass through it with zero issue.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I carry a .40 partially for this. Similar effect on target, possibly slightly more than a 9mm depending on bullet selection, similar capacity to 9mm, cheap used guns in good shape, and I can always find ammo even if it is more expensive. I see a similar number of pros and cons as what the others have and people look at me like I’m insane for being okay with .40. I have and shoot 9mm and .45 also and they’re also just fine.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd go with 9mm but only marginally. Like I'm perfectly happy with a .45 but give me a choice and I'm taking a 9mm.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Colt 45 is 5 times stronger Luger 9

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    45 because i'm too lazy to shoot twice

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Easy, 9mm.
    .45 ACP doesn't do anything that 9mm can't. Study after study shows no statistical difference in actual killing potential between every common handgun cartridge and only shot placement matters. There is no reasonable scenario where a non-lethal hit with Common Handgun Cartridge X would have been lethal if the were hit in the same place with Common Handgun Cartridge Y. That said, 9mm has the following advantages over .45 ACP:
    >significantly more capacity in a similarly sized gun vs. .45
    >decent capacity in compact guns
    >easily controllable recoil in compact guns
    >less recoil
    >faster followup shots
    >lighter ammo
    >cheaper ammo
    >lighter guns
    >cheaper guns
    >wider ammo selection
    >more commonly available ammo
    >better suppression with commonly available 147gr rounds

    Meanwhile, .45 has...
    >bigger numbers (that don't actually translate to being more deadly)
    and that's it.

    I mean, yeah, .45 still works just fine and if you just like it, that's cool. But if we're talking which one is better, it's a pretty easy choice. There's a reason why pretty much every military and police agency on the planet has been moving towards 9mm and none are moving to .45.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not true. You are unknowingly quoting a paper presented as an argument to return to 9mm based off cherry picked and misrepresened data. Presenter was not even an expert.
      Data from war, er, hunting show 45 is far more lethal than 9mm

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't believe you, but I might be willing to change my mind depending on your source.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not quoting any paper homosexual. You can look up video evidence of what 9mm and .45 do yourself and see there is no significant difference. The capacity of 9mm however is a massive benefit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You are quoting a paper, you are just ignorant.
          YouTube videos? What? Depth and temporary cavitation in ballistics gel? Lol. The creator of ballistics gel himself explained it is not a good analog for human tissue. It is only to compare one bullet to another in a similar medium.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There's a reason why pretty much every military and police agency on the planet has been moving towards 9mm and none are moving to .45.
      Because 9mm is cheap and the lowest common denominator with small hands can shoot a box of it every 6 months and be proficient. Stop pretending like milfags and law enforcement are the arbiters of the "best" small arms when their only concerns are buying things from the lowest bidder and qualifying as many recruits as humanly possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I guess I should add another bullet point to that list then:
        >much easier to train new shooters on
        You're not really making any arguments against 9mm or in favor of .45 here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But I don't care about new shooters. The whole "9mm is better because muh recoil muh follow-up shots" argument kind of falls flat when everything has red dot optics and threaded barrels now anyway. Comps work. Recoil is a choice.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but they work better for 9mm.
            Comp on a .45:
            >recoil -> less recoil
            Comp on a 9mm:
            >less recoil -> almost no recoil

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Have you tried being a man and just holding the pistol on the target? It's not terribly difficult.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not difficult, but why make things harder if you don't have to and you gain nothing from it? That's not manly, it's just stupid.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >everything has red dot optics and threaded barrels now anyway.
            Not IRL. This is just a view skewed by fags posting their purchases on the internet for likes. Most people do not have red dots on their pistols, nor do most people have suppressors.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >make good argument
      >fuck it all up and undermine it at the end by retarded appeal to authority
      anon, you were so close. I see people make this exact mistake on this board so often.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Like it or not it's still valid. There's a multitude of reasons why they choose 9mm, but if .45 were better at killing you'd think at least a few of the groups of people who regularly shoot at other humans with pistols would pick it over 9mm, but most don't. Lots have gone from .45 to 9mm but I can't think of a single one where the reverse is true. It only goes one way and never the other. It happens often enough to be considered data.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      45 has less deflection and more energy going through barriers like walls and auto glass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shooting through walls is generally undesirable anyway and issues with shooting through auto glass can be mitigated with the right ammo.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wait. We DON’T want to penetrate walls and auto glass? Well shit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on how you feel about your neighbors I guess.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Does this answer how much I care about my neighbors?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure does.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on what you're doing, I guess. I'm more concerned with stopping a driver than accidentally hitting my asshole neighbor.
          t.cityfag

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    45 ACP is a manstopper, simple as. I have never seen a shooting on video where somebody shot with 45 ACP gets back up and keeps on going.
    On the other hand, I have seen many a video where multiple 9mm rounds fail to incapacitate the target in a reasonable timeframe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >manstopper
      This is fuddlore. I saw a video here from earlier last year where an officer got hit point blank to the head by .45 but survived

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        BS, post the video.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Caliber wars are gay
    Shoot more, get good, and you won’t have to worry about it

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45 if you're stronger
    9mm if you're more accurate
    overall they average out to the same thing performance-wise, .40 S&W as well

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Always hated .40s&w, fucking useless in-between caliber that motherfuckers keep pushing saying. "It's like the perfect caliber between 9mm and .45!" like they fucking need one, why don't we make a fucking .42 caliber or a .39 caliber and say "it's le perfect in between for 9mm and .40s&w!". Plus .40 being around the same price as .45 is retarded as fuck, get a 9mm it's better overall.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        .40 was made because abc found 9mm failed in the field repeatedly. So abc did the real reaserch and found outside the revolver cals that had been proven manstoppers (357-44) 10mm was vastly superior to all others. To the point of being reliable through sheet metal and glass. 10mm is .....40.
        Turns out non field types struggled with 10mm. It was also expensive. They found people using loaded down ammo. So they chopped the 10mm case down and created the .40. Causing new issues like non expanding because of the lower velocity of the .40. All in all .40 was better than 9mm, not as good as .45. The real issue being due to logistics and financial they made some bogus claims about new powders and bullets making 9mm as good as everything else and abc switched back.
        Those in the know understand those advancements are across the board.
        In the end nothing has changed since Sam Colt was pumping out BP revolvers. .36 is a naval cal good enough for man. .45 is an army caliber good for man and horse.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The advancements in 9mm make .40 obsolete, it's sticking around because for some reason motherfuckers have the idea that 9mm isnt good enough and .45 is too much which is wrong. It's just like all the other retarded in-between calibers that have faded over the years. Like .32S&W, 16ga, .32acp and not to mention all those fucking gay deer cartridges between .243 and .308. 10mm shouldve been chosen, if you can't handle 10mm just to get through training then you are weaker than a child.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I hate .40 S&W because .41 AE was the perfect intermediate caliber but .40 got shilled harder
        all memes and principles aside though .40 is at least no worse than 9mm nor .45 performance-wise

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't really notice the difference between 9mm and 40s&w. Both are manageable. I was thinking about a Glock in .357 sig.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            .357 sig is just hard to find +p 9mm. Same exact bullets.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              if you get +P .357 SIG then it's like +++P 9mm

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No such thing. 357 sig already falls short of velocity claims. Its just .40s&w necked down to take 9mm bullets loaded to higher pressures.
                It is a joke. Get 357 magnum that is far superior or 9mm that can match sig in hot loads.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            When will people stop chasing the new hotness and just use what works
            Why is the gun community bigger consoooooooomers than funko pop collectors

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              all that capitalist innovation, gotta see how many times we re-invent the 9mm because it works so fucking well but no one enjoys admitting it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >because it works so fucking well
                It really doesn't considering the current "best practice" is to magdump into an assailant's chest until you destroy his heart or he loses too much blood. Maybe that wouldn't be necessary if you used something more potent and bigger in the first place. I don't want to have to explain in court why I thought it was necessary to shoot an unarmed teenager 17 times.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so your issue with it is that it's difficult to defend in court?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There are cameras everywhere now. What looks better to a jury? Shooting someone 5 times or shooting someone 10 times? Even putting that aside, I would rather potentially end a gunfight in one minute rather than two or three. Bigger, faster bullets make bigger, deeper permanent wound channels.

                Skill issue

                9mmfags who can't handle the gargantuan recoil of 45 ACP (preferred caliber of Medicare recipients) are the ones with the skill issue.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What looks better to a jury?
                not shooting teenagers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Skill issue

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't want to have to explain in court why I thought it was necessary to shoot an unarmed teenager 17 times.

                I do, it’s why I carry a .45acp with 17 round mags!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why don't we make a fucking .42 caliber or a .39 caliber and say "it's le perfect in between for 9mm and .40s&w!"
        We did, it's called .38 super. You know the cartridge the Browning pistols were actually designed for before ordnance fudds demanded .45acp.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ordinance fudds shot live animals and it took significantly more shots every time from the smaller calibers than it did the fuddy five

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Show me that data for .38 special vs .45acp. Not .38 long colt which is a different thing entirely.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ordinance fudds shot live animals and it took significantly more shots every time from the smaller calibers than it did the fuddy five

              Sorry .38 super not .38 special. Got my .38s mixed up which is arguably a giant problem with that style of cartridge naming but there you go.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is an example of a bad experiment. They were shooting at cattle, which have a much larger cross section than a human and much thicker bones. The experiment favors the larger, heavier round that can expend all of its energy in a larger body, but doesn't necessarily translate to better effect in humans.
            It reminds me of something I saw in a Paul Harrel video where he shot at a cinder block with 5.7 and .45. The 5.7 took little chips off of it while the .45 shattered it. Problem is, humans aren't made of concrete. All this test proves is which weapon is superior at breaking concrete blocks. It's like if you chipped at the cinder block with a dagger, then smashed it with a rock, and concluded the rock was the superior weapon for fighting people.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Shooting live animals has shown beyond the shadows of a doubt that they are capable of killing said animal.
              Your comparison is silly. Paul uses tissue from animals and oranges as a stand in in his own tests. And every one of those has shown when it comes to damage more powerful=more damage.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >And every one of those has shown when it comes to damage more powerful=more damage.
                Now tell me which out of .38 super and .45acp are more powerful.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Shooting live animals has shown beyond the shadows of a doubt that they are capable of killing said animal.
                And that's great if you're being attacked by a cow, but it doesn't tell you much about fighting a human that can shoot back at you. In that case your gun's ability to kill cows standing still from point blank range is kind of meaningless. That exact same test would also tell you that the rock was superior to the dagger because the dagger is too short to reach a cow's vital organs but the rock can bludgeon it to death. Now, say you're going to be in a fight to the death with another man and you can choose to fight with the rock or the dagger. Which one do you choose? Does proof of the rock's ability to bludgeon cattle who don't fight back factor into this decision?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The rock given you used it to bludgeon a cow to death with its thicker skull would therefore be sufficient to bludgeon a human to death.
                A firearm that can incapacitate an animal larger and tougher than us across the board will be better on humans than a firearms that took more shots to incapacitate the tougher animal.
                These tests go all the way neck to blackpowder. Soldiers (TR was one of them) needed a pistol being calvary that could stop both a human AND a horse. The testing done was exactly the type done to definitively tell what could and could not get the job done. Those test are the reason the Navy designation was given to the .36, and the Army designation the 44. Literally Navy= sufficient for killing men, Army=Men and horses.
                If it can go through horse or cow bone and open up a channel big enough to kill then it will open us up for sure.
                And pistols do not kill by "energy transfer" as we discuss it and the secondary wounding you see from rifles. Pistols below the magnum calibers kill by blood loss and organ damage if you poked a hole in it. The survival rate from being shot by a pistol is so high I'm not sure why people carry them outside of magnum calibers. It's a crazy high survival rate. Up in the 80% range I believe.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                German field manuals indicate that this 9mm is sufficient at 1,000m to penetrate a horse’s skull or a french helmet, so I don’t really see where you’re going with your ramble about guns and calibers that haven’t been in widespread use since the 1860s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Try reading it again with your mommy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’ll definitely read it before bed if this thread is still up, you write like a spastic boomer with too much caffeine coursing through your plaque encrusted veins.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The rock given you used it to bludgeon a cow to death with its thicker skull would therefore be sufficient to bludgeon a human to death.
                Okay, but does that make it superior to the dagger for fighting other humans? You typed a whole lot of shit to answer every question except the one simple question I asked. I wonder why.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He’s just doing the old fall back of spouting a bunch of barely related shit to distract from the fact that he’s wrong and can’t dig himself out of the hole he’s dug.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that's pretty clear, but I'm enjoying watching him twist his brain into knots trying.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You never provided the data on the dagger to make a comparison.
                Did the rock disable the cow faster than slitting its throat did? The only data you gave was the dagger was insufficient to reach the organs of the cow.
                Can't really make a comparison there.
                However the two pistol rounds were both shot into an animal with bones harder than ours, according to you organs deeper than ours, and that have a larger volume of blood and are generally tougher than we are when it comes to being incapacitated.
                So by all metrics the .45 was proven to be more capable of incapacitating living targets up to and including cows and horses, also pigs, than the 9mm
                What even is your argument? Two leaky holes instead of one? Bigger would cavities aren't better?
                What is it when it comes to this you thing you know that every military, fish and game, preserve, and the doesn't.
                Ever seen a you can't hunt with a .22 and also don't use that 300wm it might blow clean through the deer because it's too powerful and the deer will just walk off.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is incoherent nonsense, so I'm not even going to bother responding.

                The simple answer is your argument is moronic. You know the 9mm and the .45 are both under the best circumstances capable of reaching human organs.
                So you have been shown that as soon as you start adding variables the .45 is more capable of overcoming them through these tests. More clothing and jackets. Less than optimal angles. Hits on joints.
                Again, what the fuck is even your argument? When it comes to lethality more is better.

                >When it comes to lethality more is better.
                What you're failing to understand is that "more lethality" is a metric that's so subjective and poorly defined as to be basically meaningless. The whole purpose of the analogy with the dagger and the rock is that under this one very specific scenario (bludgeoning a cow standing still), the rock appears to be "more lethal." You reason you refuse to answer the simple question of "in a fight with another man, would you rather have a rock or a dagger?" is because in order to not look like a complete moron, you'd have to pick the dagger despite claiming the rock to be "more lethal." And why? It's because the dagger provides several advantages in combat that the rock does not: It's faster, it's lighter, it has and actual handle to hold onto, it's more versatile, etc. etc., and ignoring all of those in favor of one single poorly-defined criterion of "more lethal" is idiotic.
                If you haven't connected the dots yet, 9mm is the dagger and .45 is the rock in this analogy. Both are lethal, obviously, but one offers advantages that the other doesn't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your metaphor is stupid as shit.
                A .45 is a hell if a lot better than a rock and would have no problems in dealing with an "urban youth" since the .45 Anti-Colored Person was literally designed to kill brown "people" following the Moro Revolt.
                I will trust to the experience of those dealing with brownoids directly over those trying to emulate euros and furthe NATO standardization.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >since the .45 Anti-Colored Person was literally designed to kill brown "people" following the Moro Revolt.
                this is why I come here. I'm going to repeat this 1000 times not even knowing what the Moro is, but people will think I'm smart and shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People get stabbed 20 times and not only don't die, they often don't even realize it and keep fighting for a while.
                People who get skull fucked with a rock big enough to smash a cows head in I would go out on a limb and assume do not.
                >>more lethality is subjective
                It's not "more lethality" you fucking child. It's more energy. More momentum. More diameter. More tissue damage. More blood loss.
                Your analogy doesn't do you any favors.
                You have a dagger. Are you really going to get into a fight with a guy who has a big rock in his hands? That doesn't end well for you. He goes to the er to get sewn up. You have your brains scraped up with a shovel.
                Regular ammo.
                .45 has more energy, more momentum, makes bigger holes, than 9mm.
                Max loads,
                .95 has more energy, more momentum, makes bigger holes than 9mm
                You don't have an argument. You are a limp wristed pussy that flinched from recoil trying to justify your pink glock.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why you so mad bro?
                Man, I really fuckin' called it with this post

                https://i.imgur.com/5Wm1LnE.jpg

                >hurr durr muh fuddy fahve is just too manly and rugged for you weak sissy boys
                This is cope and nothing more. Anyone who can shoot well with more recoil will shoot better with less, so .45 needs to offer some kind of other advantage to offset that. But unfortunately, it just doesn't. It remains the go to choice of fudds stuck in the past and insecure morons trying to compensate, two groups with a surprising amount of overlap.

                . .45 fudds always default to that same lame cope. If you constantly feel the need to go around telling people on an anonymous Tibetan sand painting forum how tough and manly you are, you're neither tough nor manly. You're an insecure overgrown child trying to compensate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/5Wm1LnE.jpg

                >hurr durr muh fuddy fahve is just too manly and rugged for you weak sissy boys
                This is cope and nothing more. Anyone who can shoot well with more recoil will shoot better with less, so .45 needs to offer some kind of other advantage to offset that. But unfortunately, it just doesn't. It remains the go to choice of fudds stuck in the past and insecure morons trying to compensate, two groups with a surprising amount of overlap.

                Bigger bullet make deader.
                If you can't grasp that, then it's a personal problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Bigger bullet make deader.
                Except when we're talking common handgun cartridges, it doesn't. They all just poke holes. All that matters is where those holes are poked. Poke that hole trough a vital organ, major blood vessel, or spinal column, then they're dead regardless of the size of the hole. That hole being a tiny fraction of an inch bigger doesn't change that. At best, you're looking at the difference between them bleeding out in 5 minutes vs. bleeding out in 4 minutes and 50 seconds. In the context of stopping an attack, it's not enough of a difference to make a difference.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >They all just poke holes. All that matters is where those holes are poked. Poke that hole trough a vital organ, major blood vessel, or spinal column, then they're dead regardless of the size of the hole
                By that logic 9mm is still a shitty cartridge

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't follow. If they all just poke holes, how would the one that gives you more opportunities to put those holes in the right places and makes it easier to do so be shitty?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because 30 SC and 5.7 do that even better.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Based and true, but we're talking about 9mm vs. .45 here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>all just poke holes
                And all of human history has shown a bigger hole is better to kill you with.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Significantly bigger hole, sure. Hole that's only a few hundredths of an inch bigger, no.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Except the fact that even in its most basic form a round ball no expansion or deformity at all a smaller diameter .36 takes more shots and much longer to incapacitate a living animal than a larger .45 round ball. The velocities were 300+/- fps in favor of the smaller round.
                All improvements work up. With modern expanding bullets like the ranger/black talon or the underwood designed for damage the gap significantly grows in favor of larger calibers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's great and all, but it's not enough to overcome the fact that shot placement is the single most important factor, enough penetration to reach vital organs second, and everything else you might as well be discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They both have enough penetration, so the one that's more conducive to better shot placement (more ammo + less recoil for better follow up shots) is superior.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shot placement is achievable with any pistol caliber by almost any sized adult in a properly designed firearm.
                We are not discussing your inability to shoot. We are discussing the lethality of the rounds. Women shoot very well every day with 44 mag, 10mm, 45, 9mm and on and on.
                The fabled head shot aside heart and lung, liver and other organ shots have proven time and time again they do not stop a man with normal pistol rounds.
                The question is literally what caliber will take the least shots to incapacitate the human. The answer is .45 in this conversation. By a significant amount. Several shots. Making "faster follow up shots" a moot point.
                Drop the cope already

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anyone who can shoot well with more recoil can shoot better with less, that's just a fact.
                >We are not discussing your inability to shoot.
                Funny you should say that when I'm the one who's confident I can make good shots even with a smaller caliber, and you're the one who's trying to compensate with bigger rounds.
                I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post because it's all bullshit based on nothing but fuddlore.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your argument could be used to claim a 22lr is better than a 9mm. In that showing its not a real position. It's just you and your cope.
                "The gun you can shoot well".
                Any gun can be shot well by anyone within the range of "normal" calibers. Making your argument again, nonsense.
                So many kids grew up learning on single shot shotguns and magnum caliber revolvers in the country it's silly.
                YOU are saying you need more shots of a less effective caliber to be able to stay on target.
                I am saying that were a 300lb man running at you from 20 feet he very well may reach you still fighting if you are armed with a 9mm. Tests have shown with .45 he will not, and with less shots.
                It's pretty simple. Unless you really weally weally want to discount science.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your argument could be used to claim a 22lr is better than a 9mm
                If you remember earlier, I said
                >shot placement is the single most important factor, enough penetration to reach vital organs second, and everything else you might as well be discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
                .22 lacks penetration and has all of the typical issues that come with rimfire rounds and 9mm doesn't. My argument holds up just fine, which is why you felt the need to make up a new argument for me.
                >I am saying that were a 300lb man running at you from 20 feet he very well may reach you still fighting if you are armed with a 9mm. Tests have shown with .45 he will not, and with less shots.
                I guarantee you do not have a source to back this up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bigger holes are better.
                Sorry dude, but size matters.
                Even the capcha says that's joy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Bigger holes are better.
                I prefer a tighter hole, myself.
                >Sorry dude, but size matters.
                You know I never really understood the whole guns = small dicks thing that anti-gunners spout, but listening to the fuddy five fags ITT, I kinda get it. You all sound like you're trying to compensate for something.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You all sound like you're trying to compensate for something.
                Your wife didn't seem to mind.
                Said she always fakes it with (you).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Samefag was wrong and is now samefag

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The simple answer is your argument is moronic. You know the 9mm and the .45 are both under the best circumstances capable of reaching human organs.
                So you have been shown that as soon as you start adding variables the .45 is more capable of overcoming them through these tests. More clothing and jackets. Less than optimal angles. Hits on joints.
                Again, what the fuck is even your argument? When it comes to lethality more is better.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok, lets go over the pros:

    9mm
    >Larger capacity
    >Lower recoil
    >Therefore more shots on target
    >Faster velocity
    >Therefore easier to hit moving targets with
    >Generally cheaper

    11.43mm
    >Quieter
    >2mm larger diameter which doesn't translate to larger cavity because it doesn't generate enough energy
    >More material that outside of top-end expanding cartridges just passes straight through like the 9mm
    >Overcompensates for your lack of actual 'manhood'

    Hmmm.... Idk Anon. It looks like a close race to me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      checked
      >11.43mm
      >Quieter
      147gr 9mm is widely available, is subsonic, and is quieter than .45 due to being smaller in diameter.

  29. 1 month ago
    kys

    10mm
    >answer the question
    Just did
    Sage

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    460 Rowland

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45super/.450smc

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's like the 2000's all over again....

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    tree fiddy seben swagnum 😀

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    16rds of 9mm
    or
    13rds of .45acp

    ???

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      17 rounds of .45

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        33 rounds of 9mm

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          but thats a crazy extended magazine, not suitable for carrying even in a warzone
          you can get 17rds of 45 in a FNX45 and 20-22rds in new full sized 9mm handguns

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah not practical to carry unless you’re carrying a backpack, so at that point just carry a SBR in a real (rifle) caliber.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Both are solid choices. Personally .45 is more fun because more boom& more recoil, but not unmanageable recoil in a full-sized or steel-framed gun.
    Arguing about calibers is retarded though, unless you're telling 10mm guys they're gay

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45 acp is the ballistic equivalent of subsonic .300 memeout. same weight and velocity. no reason to get a .300 blacked gayr 15.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >spitzer vs round nose bullet
      yeah

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i dont think hollow points are round idiot.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >mf learned what spitzer is and just wants to bring up the fact he knows

          Spitzer bullets have a better ballistic coefficient than roundnose bullets. Just because you can get 300 BLK and 45 ACP in similar weights doesn't mean they're equal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            balistic coefficient doesnt matter at the distances you'll be shooting subsonic ammunition at. make up a better excuse to justify the existence of a retarded cartridge like .300 blacked.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A better BC/SD also has an effect on the terminal end.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mf learned what spitzer is and just wants to bring up the fact he knows

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Almost every armed profession has gone 9mm

    Why?

    >inb4 cost

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >inb4 cost
      abundance

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    where is arnold???

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if youre an amerimutt then get a .22
    Against paper targets its just as effective as .45 and it still looks like a cool le gun

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Alone, I'd take 45, with a team I'd take 9.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45 because it isn't some gay ass eurotard metric homosexual bullshit

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A slight variation of this thread has been posted at least once a month since about 2012. Same retards spewing the same lame arguments on both sides and never changing anybody's mind.
    Shit thread, OP, but I'm glad it's not a Ukraine or Gaza thread

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised no one linked this video that uses identical glocks and similar loads of the two calibers with professional slow-mo cams. It's literally the perfect video example to demonstrate both rounds.

    Theres so many 9mm copers who purposefully ignore wound cavities then back pedal saying 'They're the same bro 9mm bullet technology bro' then completely ignore that .45 recieved the same developments.

    They both have their pros and cons but if I had to choose only 1 it would be .45 also it's objectively the superior round to suppress so that's another W for 45.

    >inb4 fudd
    >inb4 9fags showing retarded noncontrolled vids
    >inb4 muh capacity
    >inb4 muh recoil

    ?si=ZpUGOAbUwwop20rp

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh gel
      >muh temporary cavity, look how much the gel moooves bro!
      you're a fucking retard, grab your fat gut and push it. Notice how it can move all around? Does that hurt? No. Neither does the jiggle from a bullet. That's literally all it is.
      >muh vids muh
      Here's FBI testing on properly calibrated gel as well as animal flesh.
      https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/b2161a32-695e-4a4e-baa2-209a9a981c67/downloads/1cm0blukf_477512.pdf

      Results: .45 ACP does have a slightly larger permanent cavity all around. Hollowpoints are mostly mediocre with many having a permanent wound cavity on par with FMJ. The top performer across the board regardless of caliber are Underwood XDs, those little meme copper corkscrews are making permanent wound cavities double or triple the size of most hollowpoints. The only hollowpoints that seem to have significant expansion are the solid copper Underwood Maximum Expansion. Here's an excerpt.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well little homosexual if you wanna use animal corpses for test results then sorry Charlie but .45 was born into service due to cow killing.

        Ain't no gut here you little twink. Stick to 9 limp wrist.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>muh temporary cavity, look how much the gel moooves bro!
        That's called shockwave by the way, you fucking idiot.
        Carry what you feel comfortable carrying and shooting. Fucking fairies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >shockwave
          It doesn't do any shock any more than slapping your stomach does. It doesn't cause any trauma, at all. It's jiggle physics.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >a gunshot doesn't cause any trauma at all
            Go back.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >gunshot
              The bullet passing through you does cause trauma. Your squishy bits getting pushed around causes absolutely zero trauma.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              A normal pistol caliber only generates as much energy as a decent punch from a heavyweight. Because it's not spread out over the size of a fist it just pokes a hole in you. It does cause bruising of muscle tissues. It can show up after several hours. But it does not actually destroy large amounts of tissue like a high velocity rifle does.
              With a pistol you are dependent on the size of the hole. That varies greatly skin is very elastic, so the hole may be small. Muscle tends to tear more easily. Certain organs almost fall apart it seems when hit. You really don't see the whole picture until you have had hands on experience with game or human tissues after a being shot. Ballistics gelatin is nothing like human tissues. Making the biggest hole is truly the best way. It's why spears are wide bladed, and why hunting arrows have wide blades.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To add to this.
                The British used a large caliber pistol bullet at low velocity. The bullets either expanded quite a bit and were called manstoppers. When they had to go to non expanding bullets they made them unstable so they tumbled and caused the same massive wound channel.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is for Black folks and women

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45 beats 9mm in their respective "max potential" iterations which is enough to sway me. .460 Rowland kicks the living shit out of 9mm Major.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They both better at different things, if we are talking about standard fmj rounds
    But these days it literally doesnt matter, you can get +p 185grain 45 acp rounds that flies at 1200fps

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm and its not even close when it comes to the real world of pistol calibers. unless you are going up to 10mm or .357/.44 or .50, then the different between 9mm and .45 caliber "wound" or "stopping power" is so minimal that at the end of the day being able to dump more rounds is objectively goong to win everytime.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      9mm is good but its pretty limited in its format
      Its a very fast straight traveling small bullet.
      There are tons of different types of specialized 45 acp rounds you can get one specifically tailored for what you need.
      You can even get 185g +p 45 that travels at 1200 fps like a 9mm round

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is for trans that cannot handle the completely manageable recoil of a steel framed .45 in their frail nutrient and hormone deprived wrists.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >powder of the blesseth flame, devoid of unholy smoke and sulfur.
    >A lead vessel, holds the banishement of evils
    >with quick deliverance, the vessel shall allow thine hallowed point exaltation
    >percing path of the heart equals thumbs of twelve
    > the milenium measure is the twisted 6
    >Parts of the thumb 36, the 6 by 6
    >the vessle numbers the beast, the 666.
    His vessle may not be the same as the vessle beast for His instrument must banish the beast.
    >His instrument of justice and mercy hath been made by one of the chosen of god.
    >Parts of the thumb, 45
    >and 7 are the vessles of his divine for
    >7th is the day of the lord
    >7 are the mans ribs of thruth
    >7 is the day of rest
    >and for the wicked there shall be no rest
    >hold his instrument and his glory,
    > for in the 11th year, fore the milenium fell
    >He sent down His gaze ,
    >For it could not be resisted ,
    >The holy instrument sent to raze,
    >The rome pretender,
    >and the cross twisted.
    Only one answer holds true, child of god, and in your heart you know what prayer must be made.
    >....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this post is so gay that it made me an atheist.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Acp stands for Anti Christ Punishement you godless cur.
        Curses be upon ye, you sodomite
        Pupet of satan
        Servant of the antichrist.
        Repent and your soul may still find mercy

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To hell with you all. I'm going to make a new caliber. With blackjack. And hookers.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10.26×21mm or .404, dimensionally perfect middle ground and objectively superior to both

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same as 7.62 vs 5.56. In highly practised hands against non-military opponents or in specific use cases like suppressed weapons the .45acp. For a lowest common denominator round given that even trained people will panic and magdump in many real life situations the 9mm is better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If by 7.62 you are referring to x51 then there is no comparison. 5.56 or 223 is simply a compromise for weight, volume, price. Period. The 7.62x51 is hands down worlds better all the way around in every metric besides the forementioned and recoil. To the point that with decent shot placement and the right bullet you can take down any living thing on earth confidently. 5.56 lacks too many things to even come close. Even on human subjects in combat it has shown to be less than desirable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes that's exactly what I said. In the hands of the average human and even the average soldier 5.56 is a better compromise because they probably won't fire their weapon in anger that often and if they do they will forget their training and spam shots at their target instead of risking getting hit. There's the theoretical capability of the round in a vacuum and there's the effectiveness of it in the hands of an actual non-autistic human. Remember the US Army was literally considering giving the average soldier a weapon that shot 2-3 times per trigger pull just to increase hit chance.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know I carry a .22lr

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just aim for the head, so. Fuck if I care

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/
    >At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition – six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
    >In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds – in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney – could have produced fatal consequences, “in time,” Gramins emphasizes.
    >Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system.
    Umm, 45 sisters? Our response?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      outliers do not make good arguments.
      .45 has a much larger data set to draw from and a higher kill percentage than 9mm. Period.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >.45 has a much larger data set to draw from and a higher kill percentage than 9mm. Period.
        May I see this data? Because all the data I've seen shows that .45 really isn't any more or less effective than 9mm, .38, .40, or anything else comparable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What data have you seen? The one report that everyone posts and made all the gun rags that is just cherrypicked data and misrepresented findings that ABC used to justify going back to 9mm from .40?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh anecdote outlier disprooooves your controlled experiments
      Go back.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh controlled experiments
        You mean shooting jello? The truth of the matter is that both 9mm and 45 ACP are dinosaur cartridges designed for shooting manlets back back when people were still using the horse and buggy. Smart people are upgrading to modern cartridges like 10mm and 5.7x28 now.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The .45 just because it makes capacitynigs seethe.
    Besides the zoomer seethe, it performs well enough to do the job, I like the 1911 and I already have one in Commander length, so I may as well use it.
    The 9mm might expand, but a .45 never shrinks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I base my choices on whether or not I think it will make some hypothetical group of people I don't actually know angry
      Contrarianism is a mental illness. Seek help.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Contrarianism is a mental illness.
        It's called "Oppositional Defiance Disorder" which is only one of several diagnosis I have.
        > Seek help.
        Why?
        I don't even take my meds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Damn so you're just hopeless then. GG.

          A soldier who can't even follow an order is useless at best and a liability at worse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I actually did alright.
            Was a pretty decent Ammunition Team Chief in my arty unit, but in the end I just didn't like it and ETSed after 8 years.
            It turns out that with a sense of self-control one can overcome perceived "defects" in one's personality.
            So, Oppositional Defiance Disorder?
            Borderline Personality Disorder?
            Intermittent Explosive Disorder?
            ADHD?
            And more?
            Not a problem unless I let it become one.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you that fucking homosexual in the other thread that said the shadow 2 fag had that for not agreeing with you? Jesus, shut the fuck up retard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, but the other dude is probably a lot cooler than (you).

            >since the .45 Anti-Colored Person was literally designed to kill brown "people" following the Moro Revolt.
            this is why I come here. I'm going to repeat this 1000 times not even knowing what the Moro is, but people will think I'm smart and shit.

            That time some Flips thought Uncle Sam was just bluffing about them being a colony, and decided to get that smoke.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh diameter
    With exception of the heart and upper aorta practically every blood vessel youd hit is highly pressurized and thumb width or smaller. Doesnt matter whether the hole punch is .62 or .72" when the thing they're punching a hole in is 1" wide, youre talking about whether theres barely anything holding it together still or literally nothing.
    >muh more blood out
    Learn what a body cavity is, you've got enough spare empty space in your thoracic cavity for an aortic dissection to kill you in a couple seconds via bloodloss, a commonly studied cause of death in car accidents, entry/exit hole size dont matter for anything other than tracking game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same fag and wrong still

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is better. The amount of damage they do compared to each other is negligible. Recoil and ammo capacity win the day. People like the .45 like how people like the AK to the AR15. It’s grittier, has a more rugged history, and has more of a kick. Therefore it’s manly and tough. The AR is better though and that’s why even Russian spec op units pay with their own money to have them. For the record though, I like the AK and AR both.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .45 GAP

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None. Choose Wildey.

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