Thoughts on LEAN?

Have you come across LEAN in your trade jobs? What are your thoughts?

  1. 4 weeks ago

    Yeah sure.. I leave early always, moron.

  2. 4 weeks ago

    >Have you come across LEAN
    >What are your thoughts?
    I'm waiting for a verb to come in so I can complete my thought. Probably tomorrow.

  3. 4 weeks ago

    Sippin dat LEAN syzzurp no cap fr fr

    • 4 weeks ago

      How embarrassing.
      We call is "syzussy" these days, grandpa.

  4. 4 weeks ago

    I hate this shit like you wouldn't believe, but it does (technically) work for us.

  5. 4 weeks ago

    Yes, and I have mixed feelings. I work in manufacturing, and if orders aren't coming in, production slows. From a business standpoint I can respect why a company would reduce their waste in general, and how personnel can be considered "waste" if you're overstaffed. However, I've also noticed that the people in a company who are tasked with reducing "waste" only look at cost savings from a single perspective, and often the first cuts made to a company are at the wealth generating sites. Cuts at these locations (i.e. unused raw materials, actual overstaffing) make sense sometimes, but there is rarely a target put on administrative overheads, and the measures they take rarely include opportunity costs by reduction in company infrastructure.

    • 4 weeks ago

      >there is rarely a target put on administrative overheads
      Yep, cut costs everywhere but on themselves
      Admin is the cancer of corporations

    • 4 weeks ago

      You hit the nail on the head tbh.

      I also find it funny how they one to do shit like one-piece flow while also being significantly understaffed and getting angry at you for batching even though it's objectively the only way to make rate half the time. Especially when the number of new hires outnumbers the amount of people who know what they're doing yet still demanding you make rate.

      Also fuck staffing agencies man, truly. This shit should be illegal.

  6. 4 weeks ago

    Alternative captions for OP image:
    >cost cutting
    >cost cutting with meme name

  7. 4 weeks ago

    Most american firms skip the continuous improvement and employee/ stakeholder buy in so they can pretend its a magic money formula.

    • 3 weeks ago

      LEAN only works if you fully commit to it and follow it 100%. Most companies, at least in my experience in the US do a half assed job at implementing LEAN.

      Pretty much this.

  8. 4 weeks ago

    I hate quality "engineering" like you wouldn't believe

    • 4 weeks ago

      >quality "engineering"
      What does this even mean? Quality control? Seems like one of those words with nebulous definition made up by admins to make themselves feel important.

      • 4 weeks ago

        It means they spent 3 years in college learning to draw stick diagrams of fish and how to keep your workplace tidy and think they're engineers

  9. 3 weeks ago


  10. 3 weeks ago

    I worked in a low end machine shop that was run rather lax, new owners came in and pushed LEAN
    I ran a CNC machine button pusher with the ability to do minor program changes using the conversational systems.

    I bought in at first. It makes sense, I took some principles home when working on personal projects. I think its beneficial for everyone to try and implement on big projects and such.

    With that said I dont understand how it can last long term in a shop environment.
    We did it all incrementally
    >move your tools, move your table, reduce your arm movements, reduce your steps, reduce distance you move finished parts and rough stock
    >on slow days change a bunch of small things to try and optimize and reduce cycle times on CNC

    It did make work get done faster
    Promised you would not be punished for running out of work.
    It allowed us time to "optimize your work space" or "work on optimizing programs" or "find something in the shop that needs fixing"

    They pushed hard for the CNC operators to create SOP Standard Operating Procedures.
    When things are slow, take pictures and make write ups on how to run the CNC machine, how to test parts, how to do offsets.

    About 2 years it hit a wall.
    There is only so much much you can wring out without mutiny

    I asked the manager why would I want to make my job easily replaceable
    His answer was "you should be trying to work yourself out of a job, those who took the initiative and built a foundation will be rewarded to a higher paying postilion"

    He and I were friendly, so he admitted they were planning on slowly replacing most $20 hour button pushers with people off the street for minimum wage one the SOPs were good enough.
    I knew there wasnt a lot of higher end positions in this shop, the ones that existed didnt pay amazing so I left later that year.

    Only took ~2 years to feel the crunch, I dont know how a company can do it long term without becoming a horrible robotic workplace with huge turnover.

    • 3 weeks ago

      this is what most people are slowly working up to. they just want to have everything to the point where a third worlder can do it for minimum wage. here's the problem: it works until it doesn't. you can have this kind of setup, but the second it needs to change, you're fucking done for because all your people are thirdies who don't actually know what their job is or how to do it, and then you're either forced to hire outside firms or hope you still have a couple of real machinists on staff. but real machinists are old, hard to come by, demand good pay and are all close to retirement. i expect a temporary collapse of what little western manufacturing there is once we hit a critical mass of dumbfuck-simple, dumbfuck-run production shops and we have any need to change it (war, stupid supply chain bullshit, etc.)

      >t. machinist who does his own setups like a CHAD

      • 3 weeks ago

        How do I become setupilled?

    • 3 weeks ago

      >I dont know how a company can do it long term without becoming a horrible robotic workplace with huge turnover.
      That's the point. Huge turn over means no raises or unionizing. Especially with staffing agencies giving them an endless supply.

      • 3 weeks ago

        yep. and when every setup is reduced to something so goddamned braindead that even jamal from detroit can do it, turnover doesn't matter because it's like training someone to stock shelves at walmart

  11. 3 weeks ago

    >Genchi Gembutsu
    Why are HR fags such weebs?

  12. 3 weeks ago

    It's stupid annoying bullshit that employers do to fuck some people out of jobs and fuck some people into doing 2 peoples jobs. They LOVE to use le ebin jabanese method, without giving a shit that it, and other cut-throat capitalist fuckery are the reason japan has such a stifling culture and high suicide rates.
    It's ridiculous, just another "make work" "busy work" scheme to make sure no one has a minute to spare.

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