Thoughts about the CAESAR truck based artillery? Why doesn't the US have something similar seeing how M-777 are literally sitting ducks.
Thoughts about the CAESAR truck based artillery?
Thoughts about the CAESAR truck based artillery? Why doesn't the US have something similar seeing how M-777 are literally sitting ducks.
American military wanted to adopt CAESARs AFAIK but that caused friction with their gouvernement that is owned in part by defence contractors and that just wasn't gonna do.
Given how many M777's are in inventory they could build them by the shitload, as long as they have a decent supply of truck chassis they could be converted quite easily but yeah probably what
said.
You don't know how trucks or guns work.
2 damaged, 1 destroyed in 1 year.
Then tell me, seems like a valid solution to fit to a FMTV chassi or similar platform.
You need a longer bed, far far harder suspension, ammunition rack, fire control system, communication equipment, some kind of auto loader like on CAESAR because ammunition is too heavy to load it so high up and you need to have a better barrel than on the M777.
Fair, i'd guess it could be done with jury rigging al'a middle east tier but effectiveness would suffer a lot compared to purpose built.
Look, this
isn't a fundamentally wrong thing, it is just that it is one of the worst things you can do because you lost the capability to do what M777 was intended to do; provide heavy artillery in places where nothing but a heli can get to.
It's not a loss if you can afford ample M777 (which is really for constabulary operations and lacks range) for multiple roles. The US isn't poor.
Airmobile arty is valuable for constabulary ops, but pointless in nation-state wars where US missle and air power are vastly more capable than that little toy.
>Why doesn't the US have something similar seeing how M-777 are literally sitting ducks.
Anon is retarded
Thoughts about the Msta-S tank based artillery? Why doesn't Russia make something better seeing how they are just literally sitting ducks.
There is a video of 3 of those being destroyed in one video.
Globohomo westerners do not dare putting 3 in same place in case they all get destroyed.
Based trad russia has no such concerns
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Oh sorry, 4.
checks out tbh. Idk how Russia keeps losing it's most advanced self propelled pieces plus they have donated quite a few kek
Yeah I know, I know.
Still, when so many of them get shat on at once, it is extra embarrassing.
Because M777s are airmobile.
Yet once the M777 are deployed It can't shoot and scoot. And with the proliferation of MANPADS sending choppers to relocate M777 around after each fire mission will only reveal the location of your artillery and also risk the birds getting shot down.
It was designed for that role and it served it perfectly, usage of it in Ukraine does not make it obsolete, it isn't supposed to be used on the frontlines like it's being used because NATO doesn't do stagnant frontlines.
couldn't they make just a module, that you can slap on a truck, basically just decoupling the m777 from its stationary platform on the truck platform and vice versa
>Why doesn't the US have something similar seeing how M-777 are literally sitting ducks.
Because they just bomb shit from air.
CAESAR follows the french doctrine for their entire hardware which is to be performant while remaining economical to build and maintain.
Same reason most of their armors don't use treads anymore, that their tanks use turbo injected diesel and that they upgrade their fighters as long as possible instead of going on a new platform every 10 years.
The US meanwhile can just throw money at the wall and see what sticks. Also since the entire doctrine is based on air superiority where you just bomb shit from 5km in the sky why really bother with a gun on a truck when you can just call an airstrike?
IMO we're putting too much stock into experiences from the ukraine war. Russia sucks at counter battery fire, unarmored howitzers with medium level scoot and shoot abilities are just fine to deal with them. But it need not be like that forever. In a peer war, armored howitzers with no need for external stabilization would be much more survivable.