Thought someone else might share in my autism, Ukrainians posted the FCC that they say launched the missile which brought down the Tu-22M3.

Thought someone else might share in my autism, Ukrainians posted the FCC that they say launched the missile which brought down the Tu-22M3. Pinch of salt as always etc. etc. but the footage seems to corroborate a S-200 launch, the FCC looks like a very modernized version of the S-200 K-2 Fire Control Center, or something built around the same overall form-factor and layout. Definitely not a S-300 FCC, at least to my untrained eye, those are generally longer and more spacious.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    webm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Images of the K-2 FCC, courtesy of the slavaboo website responsible for many ROSSIYA STRONK posts, Air Power Australia, note general layout similarities.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Air power australia isn't a slavaboo website. It's a gooner website by australians obsessed with IAMDS and A2/AD against russia and china.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They way overblow the capabilities of Soviet systems, they may not be slavaboos, but slavaboos certainly loved citing them. Anyways, I hope someone with more experience and knowledge than me, whose entire knowledge on Soviet FCCs is from SAMSIM, can provide some insight. Soviet FCCs of that era all kind of blend together for me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >overblow
            In unclassified contexts, you have no other choice.
            >slavaboos certainly loved citing them
            Never let your enemies constrain your thinking on a topic by association.

            Anyway, I can personally attest to the use of their shit to help counter zigs in the current war. For instance, I used one of their resources in helping to safe a captured piece of equipment.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not knocking their content, I appreciate the info, I'm just mentioning where anons may have heard of the website over the years. I do think they overblow shit too much though, with how much they suck off even super old shit with open source info basically everywhere like the S-75 and S-125 you'd think they hit everything they were ever launched at.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in the open source realm you have no choice but to assume stated manufacturer stats, for both NATO and WP kit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Peter Goon
          imagine having that name

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Could be worse. His name might have been Dick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        woops mislabled it, that's a K-9, the K-2 was much narrower.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is it really necessary for them to wear body armor while operating in there? It just looks goofy and unnecessary to me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >HVT
        >highly trained, specialized personnel
        >probably set up nearby a radar which is loudly broadcasting their position every time they go to fire
        Frankly yes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they are dead no matter what when a radiation missile smacks them. I'd rather be comfortable in the meantime

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not really; an anti-radiation missile is usually equipped with a frag warhead, a near-miss or glancing hit might see just a couple of low-velocity fragments penetrate the cabin
            and then you'd look pretty funny being the only crew gutted by a piece of shrapnel which pinged off everyone else's body armour

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >a couple
              I would not want to be anywhere near a fire control or search radar when an AGM-88 lands. It's got a 68 kg warhead.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's got a 68 kg warhead.
                I know, and it would wipe out anything within fifty feet of the warhead. but like I said, in such a scenario you're hoping to survive a near-miss not a direct hit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's been rumours that Ukraine did some kind of modification and re-work of the S200 which really only left the motors and chassis intact, obviously it'd be heavily classified but they'd reworked the warhead, seeker and basically everything else in it.
        I'd almost bet hard cash its what necked those A-50's

        If you're in a mobile location with a TEL, control and radar unit, its not just the missiles you have to worry about.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine did some kind of modification and re-work of the S200
          Yeah Ukraine received some SAM missiles with active homing seekers. Its feasible they installed such seeker plus GPS and two way link on missiles. S200 missiles are huge any seeker would fit.
          Baseline S-200 has semi active look on before launch seeker, it has poor performance: target aircraft is warned and ECM can easily break the lock
          Modern seeker wik midcourse correction would be much resistant to ECM and leave little time for evasion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Size-200x = Moon Rocket

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yep, they're literally the size of a telegraph pole and full of all sort of explosions you don't want anything to do with

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >all sort of explosions you don't want anything to do with
                > fires a 5D67 liquid fueled sustainer rocket engine (for 51–150 seconds) which burns a fuel called TG-02 Samin (50% xylidine and 50% triethylamine), oxidized by an agent called AK-27P (red fuming nitric acid enriched with nitrogen oxides, phosphoric acid and hydrofluoric acid).
                Imagine the smell.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Imagine the smell.
                Oh I have! Its sort of like someone has set some shit+nasty cheese on fire mixed in with an acrid smell
                I've gone for a walk in a big puddle of it during the Iraq invasion to recover some stuff out of a Scud TEL that got hit by us, in the full body condom MOPP while it was about 45C and I reckon I sweated out about 10L in 20minutes

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just pack your suit with some dry ice.
                Follow me for more life hacks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The sand people were not carrying any unfortunately

                There’s a mathematical formula for how much water weight you sweat in mopp based on the ambient temperature and you lose pounds in 30 minutes at room temp. The army chemical schools usually have a mopp iv 12 mile ruck and 9/10 times they end up downgrading to just promasks unless its the dead of winter
                >t. Chem man

                I don't doubt that one bit, you could imagine the poor bastards they picked to go run around in MOPP and getting measured before and after. The scary thing was watching my wire cutters, pliers and screwdrivers go from being fairly normal to a bit fuzzy and eventually orange in about the space of 5 minutes, despite being a decent distance from the leak itself. Suit wasn't much good after that but I kept getting paranoid about 'feeling itchy' and worrying there may have been a hole.

                >but they'd reworked the warhead
                there's nothing wrong with warhead, just change seeker

                Well, its a big old fricking bomb with about 400lb of explosives in it designed to blow up a region of sky roughly the size of an acre cubed, which back in olden days of these things being 'about that accurate' it was well suited. But things have moved on since then and we can 'ballpark' it a bit closer than that to aircraft. So if you dropped it down by about 300lb to 100lb/45kg its still fricking enormous- except that you've just freed up a lot of weight from the missile.
                >Less weight
                >Less to lug up
                >More distance
                Even if it only nets you another 20-30km, that's a fair increase on the weapons range

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There’s a mathematical formula for how much water weight you sweat in mopp based on the ambient temperature and you lose pounds in 30 minutes at room temp. The army chemical schools usually have a mopp iv 12 mile ruck and 9/10 times they end up downgrading to just promasks unless its the dead of winter
                >t. Chem man

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You'd think they would come up with a cooling system

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >so, what kind of toxic, corrosive and extremely reactive shit are going to use to propel this rocket
                Yes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >BRAPPP

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >that little burp of unburned toxic shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That shit probably melts your receptors fast enough that there is no perceivable smell.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            One thought I had which might make it 'interesting' is if they had an anti-radiation seeker on them and semi-guide them into range either on a beam rider or manually. Given stuff like the A-50 and the Tu-22 probably has a fair old pulse coming out them which could be used for acquisition, the spooky part would be that there's no attack radar to signal that its that close for the kill

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but they'd reworked the warhead
          there's nothing wrong with warhead, just change seeker

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >*angry Patton noises*

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/hU7u8vy.jpeg

      Images of the K-2 FCC, courtesy of the slavaboo website responsible for many ROSSIYA STRONK posts, Air Power Australia, note general layout similarities.

      well, just judging by the shape of the screens we can tell they aren't using CRTs anymore. That's an impressive step towards modernity.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    S-200 would do more damage than a fire in only 1 of the 2 engines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Might be a different Tu-22M3, may also have detonated at a larger distance away from the target. IIRC the Ukrainians claimed a downed Tu-22M3 in a different location than the one filmed going down.

      Also, I lost track of the video of the wreck up close, if anyone has it, do please post it again.

      https://i.imgur.com/hU7u8vy.jpeg

      Images of the K-2 FCC, courtesy of the slavaboo website responsible for many ROSSIYA STRONK posts, Air Power Australia, note general layout similarities.

      More images

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        54K6 FCC of the S-300 complex. Actually, looking at it again, I guess it could be an S-300 FCC. I think it looks shorter than this in the video Iunno.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Might be a different
        There might be another very simple explanation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like vans I worked in way back when.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      moronic statement.
      This depends entirely on the location, angle and distance of the detonation.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they shot down a Tu-22 it wasn’t that one of the video from yesterday unless their S-200s can hit targets well over 3x its maximum range.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As an extra to this discussion, If someone is *really* interested on how a s200 battery works there's a full working simulator made by some Bulgarian autist.

    https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

    The documentation is worth a check too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's got the SA-2 as well, which is super fun. There's a scenario where you're an Egyptian or some shit trying to shoot down Israeli jets doing low level bomb attacks on you and it really shows you how difficult that shit is IRL. They're extremely low level and using jammers so you have to find their rough location with the search radar, turn on your fire control radar, slew it around (it's very tight so it's tricky to get it on target, they're turning hard as well, they're also just above the surface so ground clutter is an issue), figure out roughly where their jammer actually IS, then use the jamming fire control mode, estimating range while you do it. All the while they're screaming in at like 500 knots, so you have maybe two shots if you're good.

      IIRC one of the S-200 scenarios is shooting at an SR-71 which is super cool. The hardest part about the S-200 for me is the fire control radar, since you have to basically initially lock and then refine your lock on the target all the while it's moving around at stupid high speeds. There's something like 4 steps from "I've got something on radar" to "I have a fire control quality track" and if you frick up you have to restart.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The only gripe I have with this kind of sims is that you are doing the work of six or seven people and is easy to overload.

        I'd love someone to mod this and make it multiseat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah that is the big problem, even in the sim it's clear that you're doing the jobs of several people. To do a single engagement with the S-200 you have to use like 3 separate consoles.

          I'd adore something like this in War Thunder. Add voice comms, sit there in a modelled S-200 battery and try to shoot down enemy bombers. It'd be fun as hell.

          [...]
          well, just judging by the shape of the screens we can tell they aren't using CRTs anymore. That's an impressive step towards modernity.

          Isn't that something that most S-200s have now?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably it's ether exPolish or exBulgarian S-200.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they wearing helmets?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Safety first

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