This was exaggerated right?

This was exaggerated right?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >give marines the ability to call in fire support
    >expect them to be smart with it
    ISHYGDDT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The GWOT was great for making major failings clear so we could unfrick shit, hopefully the JFO / JTAC pipeline works long term.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >“Yeah, but Alpha Company’s up there calling for fire, and I want to call a mission, too.”
    >t. “Shitman", allegedly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really hope that isn't true
      >they took the initiative, remembered what support we had and used it as intended
      >now it's my turn to copy them because they reminded me arty exists

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >be given enough fire support to level a small city
        >like absolutely frick up a regiment tier
        >run into stragglers and small pockets of dedicated Iraqi troops
        Hammer and nail anon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you have it and it's not going to shread civi's go ahead, it's more that he forgot fire support was an option before he heard someone else call it on the radio.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They actually toned it down a good bit.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can someone explain the grid zone designator part to me? was encino man so stupid that he didn't even call the fire mission in on the square he meant to? why is it that the artillery strike then hits the town in front of them instead of a random location, just luck?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alpha Company called in a fire mission around the same time. On the radio you can here, "Your coordinates are correct, incoming." In fact, the guy on the radio was a friend of Fick's from boot and was throwing shit around the tent in frustration at Encino Man's moronation

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Alpha Company called in a fire mission around the same time
        oh right, thanks
        I rewatched the scene and encino man just says "uhhh what do you mean" when they ask for the grid zone designator and then the artillery guys tell him to standby and he forgets about the whole thing while watching alpha company's fire mission hit
        even more moronic than I remember it being, lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC grid zones correspond to large chunks of the earth under their coordinate systems. He had the grid zone wrong so he was basically calling in a fire mission on another country. At least that's what I was told years ago when I asked the same question.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought it was that his unit had advanced into the grid he was calling the arty on
        like they were in grid [A1] and took fire from [A2], advanced on the contact (literally infantry 101) but their dip shit cmd wasn't paying attention and called a strike on [A2] because "ThAt'S WhErE tHe CoNtAcT wAs!" and almost blew up his own men.
        Would that even be blue-on-blue? if it's your own guys that's more like fragging.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Alpha Company called in a fire mission around the same time
        oh right, thanks
        I rewatched the scene and encino man just says "uhhh what do you mean" when they ask for the grid zone designator and then the artillery guys tell him to standby and he forgets about the whole thing while watching alpha company's fire mission hit
        even more moronic than I remember it being, lmao

        moron here. So he called a fire mission, but had no idea of the coordinates and while he was bumbling around, Alpha Company quickly called it in for the right coordinates?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC grid zones correspond to large chunks of the earth under their coordinate systems. He had the grid zone wrong so he was basically calling in a fire mission on another country. At least that's what I was told years ago when I asked the same question.

      I thought it was that his unit had advanced into the grid he was calling the arty on
      like they were in grid [A1] and took fire from [A2], advanced on the contact (literally infantry 101) but their dip shit cmd wasn't paying attention and called a strike on [A2] because "ThAt'S WhErE tHe CoNtAcT wAs!" and almost blew up his own men.
      Would that even be blue-on-blue? if it's your own guys that's more like fragging.

      Military Grid Reference System (MGRS) works like this:

      >4QFJ12345678

      This seemingly bizarre series of numbers breaks down into several parts:

      >4Q

      This first several characters (it can be 2 or 3 , but our example here has 2) is the grid zone identifier. It broad strokes identifies where on the planet we are and what series of maps we should use.

      >FJ

      This is our "100,000" meter identifier. It identifies which 100km by 100 km box of map our coordinate is in.

      [...]

      The MGRS suffix digits are our actual point on the map. They can be anywhere from 4-10 digits in length; there are ALWAYS an even number of them. The more digits, the more accurate it is (it scales; 4 digits identifies a 1km by 1km area on the map, 6 digits is100m by 100m, 8 digits 10m by 10m, 10 digits is 1m by 1m). The first half of the digits is your East/West value (so in an 8 digit grid, it would be the first 4 digits, 1234 in our example), and the last half are your North/South value (last 4 digits, so 5678).

      Captain Encino Man attempted a call-for-fire technique called "polar plot". With polar plot, you identify your position, then tell the fire control what direction and distance the target is away from you. What made his mission moronic and dangerous was that the target was 200 meters away from his position, which is "danger close" (ie sufficiently close that friendly troops could be hit by errant shells or even the shrapnel of an on target hit).

      Where he fricked up was in the 100km identifier code. Typically, grid coordinates are abbreviated if you're going to be operating in the same AO for extended periods of time. But they were shifting AOs due to the invasion, and being incompetent he missed the memo. Thus he declared the wrong identifier code, which put his declared position in Saudi Arabia. The FDC probably "knew what he meant", but also probably didn't want to just send it the guy calling it is clearly too incompetent to not make lazy mistakes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To specify the "grid coordinates are abbreviated" part:

        You'll sometimes leave out parts of the whole giant mess of letters and digits for the sakes or brevity if it can be reasonably assumed the other parts aren't important. For example, if I'm doing land navigation in a 5k by 5k training area, odds are high I'll be in the same 100,000 meter grid zone the whole time. Odds are even higher I might have a smaller, abridged map to make it easier to carry. Even with modern digitized maps, the imagery is data intensive (since the resolution tends to be so high), so you only download what you think you'll need.

        So, coordinates might just be passed down as "12345678". If you get some bad habits out of this, you might forget that you need to add other shit on there when doing movement/calling for fire over long distances.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >coordinates might just be passed down as "12345678"

          All the time in garrison. You get so used to all your fire missions being in the same exact corner of the impact zone you forget that there's other parts to it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        As for your question, why in the show the artillery lands on the town, it's because it was called in by a different unit (Alpha Company) on a different target (a Baath Party headquarters). The "target" Bravo Company was engaging was an RPG team that 2nd Platoon (Callsign "Hitman 2") had already knocked out with sniper rifle fire. Encino Man had heard they spotted RPG teams, and due to a big ego (angry that 1LT Fick, who he was in conflict with, had successfully engaged a target and jealous that Alpha Company was calling in a high profile fire mission) attempted to call in his own fire mission, which he bungled.

        thanks anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Shelling Saudi Arabia
        And that is bad why? Those frick nuts have nwvwr been real Allies to the US. Just ass wipes wanting to use it to secure hegemony over the Middle East like Iran.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because you aren't at war with them, duh
          no one likes goatfrickers idk why you're trying to turn this into a /misc/ thread or something

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While I agree with the sentiment, problem being is that:

          1) Dude is declaring he is Saudi Arabia (which I'm sure the FDC is judging to be very dubious) to an artillery battery which is in Iraq.

          2) Even if they YOLO'd it and totally wanted to just shoot at the coordinates he gave just for the lulz, they were out of range.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do americans ever use coordinates from bulls in the modern era?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bulls?

          As for other coordinate systems (UTM or Lat/Long) gas a rule no but it's not impossible.

          Alternatively if your army gets isekai'd and you don't know where you are in the universe anymore you can also just declare some arbitrary spot on a landmark 0,0 and everyone starts building the same map from there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bullseye point. Some US aircraft have the ability to define those points within their nav computer.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but IIRC you can just set a mark point in those aircraft and it'll automatically give you a latitude and longitude. Like the bullseye is, itself, just a lat and long value.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any aircraft with a digital navigation computer onboard (iirc the A-6 Intruder was the first) can mark any point on its radar, save it as a reference or waypoint in computer memory then generate an offset point for weapons release based on it. First generation CADCs like the Intruder or Viggen had ~1500 words of re-writable memory (4 kb weighing only 70kg) for saving waypoints, weapons parameters and additional shit but they could still do that.

                But my question was about using a preplanned reference point to define other points like

                The bullseye point thing would still be coordinates expressed in MGRS, but the concept still exists outside of the USAF (wouldn't use that name, but it's the same idea). The Army's term for it is "Target Reference Point" (I don't know what the Marines' doctrinal name for it might be).

                TRP is same deal, you create a pre-planned point on the map, and then you use that reference point to plot things (orient movement, plot fires, etc.) You give a direction/distance relative to the TRP.

                You also might, during planning stages, just preplan certain fire missions (so for example on likely enemy ingress/egress routes or likely positions of enemy fortifications); these can marked as TRPs or with other given nomenclature. If shit is going breasts up, you either name the TRP to whatever your fire support asset is (who, if you did your planning/coordination correctly, should know what/where you're talking about) or just use it as a reference if it needs some correcting. And voila, quicker turn around time on fires.

                https://i.imgur.com/8Iho4KO.jpg

                If [...] is what you mean we call that a "Shift From Known Point" or just a "Shift."

                Pic related is the old fashioned way for skipping the math they don't actually teach anyone to do (converting polar to Cartesian coordinates) but the same thing happens in the computer.

                Then you take your computed target grid and determine direction and distance from the guns.

                very helpfully explained 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here's the real math for doing it if you're curious what's actually happening. They don't teach anyone this; FDC is all shortcuts and calculators (analog and digital).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My b; disregard that

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The bullseye point thing would still be coordinates expressed in MGRS, but the concept still exists outside of the USAF (wouldn't use that name, but it's the same idea). The Army's term for it is "Target Reference Point" (I don't know what the Marines' doctrinal name for it might be).

              TRP is same deal, you create a pre-planned point on the map, and then you use that reference point to plot things (orient movement, plot fires, etc.) You give a direction/distance relative to the TRP.

              You also might, during planning stages, just preplan certain fire missions (so for example on likely enemy ingress/egress routes or likely positions of enemy fortifications); these can marked as TRPs or with other given nomenclature. If shit is going breasts up, you either name the TRP to whatever your fire support asset is (who, if you did your planning/coordination correctly, should know what/where you're talking about) or just use it as a reference if it needs some correcting. And voila, quicker turn around time on fires.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If

              The bullseye point thing would still be coordinates expressed in MGRS, but the concept still exists outside of the USAF (wouldn't use that name, but it's the same idea). The Army's term for it is "Target Reference Point" (I don't know what the Marines' doctrinal name for it might be).

              TRP is same deal, you create a pre-planned point on the map, and then you use that reference point to plot things (orient movement, plot fires, etc.) You give a direction/distance relative to the TRP.

              You also might, during planning stages, just preplan certain fire missions (so for example on likely enemy ingress/egress routes or likely positions of enemy fortifications); these can marked as TRPs or with other given nomenclature. If shit is going breasts up, you either name the TRP to whatever your fire support asset is (who, if you did your planning/coordination correctly, should know what/where you're talking about) or just use it as a reference if it needs some correcting. And voila, quicker turn around time on fires.

              is what you mean we call that a "Shift From Known Point" or just a "Shift."

              Pic related is the old fashioned way for skipping the math they don't actually teach anyone to do (converting polar to Cartesian coordinates) but the same thing happens in the computer.

              Then you take your computed target grid and determine direction and distance from the guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      moron here. So he called a fire mission, but had no idea of the coordinates and while he was bumbling around, Alpha Company quickly called it in for the right coordinates?

      As for your question, why in the show the artillery lands on the town, it's because it was called in by a different unit (Alpha Company) on a different target (a Baath Party headquarters). The "target" Bravo Company was engaging was an RPG team that 2nd Platoon (Callsign "Hitman 2") had already knocked out with sniper rifle fire. Encino Man had heard they spotted RPG teams, and due to a big ego (angry that 1LT Fick, who he was in conflict with, had successfully engaged a target and jealous that Alpha Company was calling in a high profile fire mission) attempted to call in his own fire mission, which he bungled.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This show is just propaganda by uppity enlisted men.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was underestimated
    A normal human cannot act as moronic as the average marine.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The opposite actually
    Apparently Captain America had to be toned down for the show because they were worried no one would believe how absolutely fricking moronic he really was.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but I hear that they also did him a bit dirty in not showing the whole picture
      They portray him as a bumbling buffoon where in reality he was an intel officer and was described by soldiers as very, very smart. His problem was that, being intelligence, he wasn't used the the stress of front line combat and he tended to overthink and overanalyze everything.
      The result being that he got super paranoid and saw enemies hiding under every rock and behind every bush and just crumbled under that pressure

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >His problem was that, being intelligence, he wasn't used the the stress of front line combat and he tended to overthink and overanalyze everything.
        The impression I got of the dude was that with, like, a year or two assigned to an actual combat unit he would have been fine. The problem was he was thrown in to fulfill the manpower requirement of the unit.

        I don't know why we overanalyze this stuff tbh anon, he was a smart dude who got fricked up decades ago, you know? I feel like this discussion would be a lot more niche if Generation Kill wasn't made into a miniseries.

        tl;dr leave my man captain america alone he just wants to do paperwork and shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >His problem was that, being intelligence, he wasn't used the the stress of front line combat and he tended to overthink and overanalyze everything.
        The impression I got of the dude was that with, like, a year or two assigned to an actual combat unit he would have been fine. The problem was he was thrown in to fulfill the manpower requirement of the unit.

        I don't know why we overanalyze this stuff tbh anon, he was a smart dude who got fricked up decades ago, you know? I feel like this discussion would be a lot more niche if Generation Kill wasn't made into a miniseries.

        tl;dr leave my man captain america alone he just wants to do paperwork and shit

        All of the company's officers were intel officers except Fick I think. The reporter talks about this in the book, Encino Man was also a intel analyst. They got to lead troops in the field only because of the moronic mission the Recon battalion got sent during the Invasion which was to be the forward motorized scouts of the whole invasion force even though that isn't their job.

        Also Captain America's actor is the voice actor for Captain Bannon in World in Conflict and several other games. And the butthole racist Marine in Colbert's and Fick's platoon is the voice actor for Ellis in Left 4 Dead 2.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is the mission of a recon battalion if not being forward scouts? I genuinely don't know anymore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably not jumping into a bunch of humvees and flooring it at max speed north.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were foot-mobile recon, trained for stealthy insertions, and exfiltrations. Small team goes in, looks at a place, goes out, and nobody knows they were there.
            Then in the war itself they were pushed into force recon role, without the training, personnel, or equipment to actually fulfill what was demanded of them. Just given a bunch of unarmored Humwees and told to go for it. It's why a lot of the officers were completely out of their depth. They were meant to be planning and organizing recon missions, intel, etc. But instead were pushed into an active combat role few of them were genuinely suited for.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >force recon
              Recon-in-force*

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          butthole racist marine you say?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Captain America wasn't really that moronic, he was just in a state of constant panic and hysteria due to fear since he was in a land invasion of Iraq.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Company commander calling in a fire mission
    >IN A RECON BATALION
    where was the FO?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >officers want to pretend to be important and so they do things despite having multiple subordinates who are specifically trained to do that thing better than they can
      Tell me you didn’t serve in the GWOT without telling me. I think the biggest frustration we usually had was our platoon and company commanders trying to “involve themselves” and “do things with the guys” when their presence and “help” usually made things slower and more complicated. All we ever wanted from our company command was to shut the frick up and stay in their office, and our platoon commander to brief us what we needed to do and let us do it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's something Officers do Anon, the whole reason why most JTACs are almost all Staff NCOs is mainly due to the fact that Officers get butthurt when junior enlisted have any small authority.

      t. air guard tacp that will never be a jtac

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    here's the clip

    they say "reconfirm grid zone designator" to which encino man replies "um what do you mean"
    then they tell the moron to stand by and that alpha's grid zone designator is correct, and then you see alpha's strike hit
    encino man's fire mission never happens because he doesn't even know the grid zone designator to call it in on and he never follows up on it after alpha's strike hits
    sorry for the triply reply, I am triple dog moronic, I will delete the others if I can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]

      Military Grid Reference System (MGRS) works like this:

      >4QFJ12345678

      This seemingly bizarre series of numbers breaks down into several parts:

      >4Q

      This first several characters (it can be 2 or 3 , but our example here has 2) is the grid zone identifier. It broad strokes identifies where on the planet we are and what series of maps we should use.

      >FJ

      This is our "100,000" meter identifier. It identifies which 100km by 100 km box of map our coordinate is in.

      [...]

      The MGRS suffix digits are our actual point on the map. They can be anywhere from 4-10 digits in length; there are ALWAYS an even number of them. The more digits, the more accurate it is (it scales; 4 digits identifies a 1km by 1km area on the map, 6 digits is100m by 100m, 8 digits 10m by 10m, 10 digits is 1m by 1m). The first half of the digits is your East/West value (so in an 8 digit grid, it would be the first 4 digits, 1234 in our example), and the last half are your North/South value (last 4 digits, so 5678).

      Captain Encino Man attempted a call-for-fire technique called "polar plot". With polar plot, you identify your position, then tell the fire control what direction and distance the target is away from you. What made his mission moronic and dangerous was that the target was 200 meters away from his position, which is "danger close" (ie sufficiently close that friendly troops could be hit by errant shells or even the shrapnel of an on target hit).

      Where he fricked up was in the 100km identifier code. Typically, grid coordinates are abbreviated if you're going to be operating in the same AO for extended periods of time. But they were shifting AOs due to the invasion, and being incompetent he missed the memo. Thus he declared the wrong identifier code, which put his declared position in Saudi Arabia. The FDC probably "knew what he meant", but also probably didn't want to just send it the guy calling it is clearly too incompetent to not make lazy mistakes.

      The WAY the artillery battery threw shade at him in the series as well was perfect.

      "Hitman, standby. Break.

      Break. Assassin, this is Steel Rain. *Your* gridzone designators are correct[...]"

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So he was just a moron, but wasn't the issue that he called in a danger close fire mission? Or am I mixing up the episodes?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it was two issues in one anon. One, he wanted to call in a fire mission too close, two, he failed to call the fire mission into the part of the planet. I googled it and
      >4Q (grid zone designator, GZD)
      >4Q ......................GZD only, precision level 6° × 8° (in most cases)
      So he's off by like, degrees of latitude/longitude.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, the issue is that he is so moronic that he doesn't know any of the basic artillery protocols and he is about to call the strike in way too close to his men
      what saves them is he's so moronic that he doesn't even know how to call it in. when they ask for the grid zone designator he doesn't even know what it is
      also since it was in my deleted post,

      [...]
      moron here. So he called a fire mission, but had no idea of the coordinates and while he was bumbling around, Alpha Company quickly called it in for the right coordinates?

      alpha called in the strike first, encino man was inspired by their strike and wanted to call his own in

      [...]
      I know it's traditionally grunts killing officers, but if an officer matches his men onto a giant X and then intentionally drops an anvil in them, how is that any different?

      because the entire point of the term "fragging" is killing your officer for being incompetent
      if the officer kills his men out of incompetence that's just blue on blue
      it's different because one is an unintentional killing out of incompetence, the other is the killing of your superior due to incompetence in leadership
      in other words it's not fragging because fragging is a specific term, it doesn't just mean killing your own guys

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the other is the killing of your superior due to incompetence in leadership
        the other is the intentional killing of your superior provoked by their incompetent leadership

        I swear to god this post box magically makes me moronic and incapable of spotting mistakes in my post until I hit the post button

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just trying to point out that there's a philosophical difference between "I sent my men that way but there was an ambush and now they're dead" and "I sent my men that way and then shot them in the back myself (with a 155) and now they're dead"

        we can call it "soviet-style fragging" or something. But it's more atrocious than typical B-on-B.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fricktard on blue?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I know it's traditionally grunts killing officers, but if an officer matches his men onto a giant X and then intentionally drops an anvil in them, how is that any different?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This was exaggerated right?
    I have heard way dumber shit from vets. if anything they had to tone down the incompetence of their leaders to make the serie more believable to the audience

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These guys are generals now and the suck up Gunnery Sgt became Sgt Major of the Muhreens.

    Meanwhile Fick stayed a bootenant and didn't even reach Captain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the book at the very end is actually a bit critical of Fick's (and Col. Dowdy's) care for the men and inability to act when they might have been put in danger. but only in a ''what if Mattis&co are actually right'' way since the mission did get accomplished. and the writer and Fick are registered democrats and good buddies, this still got mentioned. I suppose being a people's person just isn't right for the military

      also Sixta apparently got redeemed in a future operation, before coming home and going full pedo ofc

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        actually nvm I think I'm confusing him with Casey Kasem for the redemption part

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >suck up Gunnery Sgt became Sgt Major of the Muhreens.

      who? there have only been 20 SMMC, and i don't recognize any names of recent ones that correspond to anyone from GK.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hows he calling a directional target without an azimuth, own coords, and a laser'd distance?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He does give them an azimuth ("08 degrees", so slightly North). He gives his own position (that's what the coordinates he's naming are supposed to be). As for why no laser device to accurately determine distance? There's two answers to that question:

      1) It is possible to attempt range finding using a myriad of old-school "analog" techniques. Terrain association with maps, utilizing weapon sights (M16A2/M4 front sight posts can be used to estimate distance based on how large human beings appear relative to the width of the post; optics like the ACOG have ranging features in the reticle), all sorts of shit like that. There's a ton of ways to do it; don't count this as exhaustive list, but you could plausibly get a good enough estimate and then do adjustments during the "fire for effect".

      2) The real reason is because the guy was a fricking moron. All the aforementioned techniques were almost certainly out of his wheelhouse/he wasn't doing any of them. He was probably just doing some "unga bunga, two football fields" caveman range estimation (a method which is circumstantially fine, but not when calling in dangerous artillery missions). 200 meters is especially egregious considering that it's within effective range of LITERALLY EVERY FRICKING WEAPON they had except for their pistols. Rifles, machine guns; everything could have been used to engage a small RPG team. Calling for fire was a dumb ego moronic move.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Danger close" is within 600m at the absolute closest btw

    Just to give you some idea of what that actually means when you hear it in media.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Danger close is variable by given weapon, but you are correct that danger close for land based artillery is 600 meters.

      There's other formulas for quantifying exactly how dangerous/how risky a close up artillery strike might be to friendly troops, but the danger close declaration at least lets the FDC know that a risk is present.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone in this thread needs to be more like Trombley

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Last thread an anon said something about there really being an rpg hunter killer team that got killed, anyone who read the book can confirm this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not sure about the book, but here is the TV show’s scene of the RPG team being killed: https://youtu.be/as_gpcmyg4w?si=sRiD1pKHwSBM7Nsm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't recall if it was mentioned in the book or Fick's book, but if they made it up I'm sure the marines would have b***hed about it at some point. Especially Rudy.

        I'm talking about the fire mission, someone said it was correct just too close but they got some kills with it. I feel bad about cap america too, he was an office guy basically, AFAIK he went back to the office way of life afterwards

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not sure about Gen Kill the original book, but One Bullet Away, Fick’s book, says it like the show: Alpha Company’s fire mission went through and hit Ba’th party HQ in the city, but Encino Man’s fire mission was rejected and never went through.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't recall if it was mentioned in the book or Fick's book, but if they made it up I'm sure the marines would have b***hed about it at some point. Especially Rudy.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Helldivers 2 is real.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, I saw an intel officer who believed google earth was a live feed and wanted to radio to a patrol to warn them of approaching civvie vehicles.

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