This time with France.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This time with France
    France will be the new Italy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >looks at the state of the German army and politics
      Think Germany decided to become Italy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >France becomes the new Germany
        >Germany becomes the new Italy
        >Japan stays Japan
        fricking weird timeline.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does Italy become the new Spain? Or is it Le Anschlussee Austria to Nouveau Frankreich?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poland is the new Germany
      China is the new USSR
      Worst Korea is the new Japan
      Japan is the new Philippines
      Germany is the new Italy
      Italy is the new Yugoslavia
      France is the new Nationalist Spain
      UK is the new India
      Ukraine is the new Poland
      Russia is the new China
      USA is the new France

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Poland is the new Germany
        You wish Black person

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon what the frick are you talking about

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon is the new Anon.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably related to this project:
    https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2017/french-german-em-railgun-project-unveiled-at-dga-innovation-event
    Germany and France are working on a railgun for some time now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The announcement tweet, which isn't even linked in that blogpost OR on the ATLA website https://twitter.com/atla_kouhou_jp/status/1796104262562550016

      It's related to this

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    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japan likely just wants access to their test data and any tech they developed from the tests.

      Japan's rail gun is small caliber CIWS whereas the German/French program seemed aimed at long range artillery capability.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >long range artillery capability
        What would be range of such a weapon?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          200km+ was the idea, but again Japan seems far more interested in using it for CIWS, not artillery.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A full scale EM railgun prototype dubbed "Pegasus" was built in 1997 at ISL facility in Eastern France, close to the German border. At the 2017 DGA innovation event, ISL was showcasing for the first time a fully function, truck-mounted EM railgun and was even demonstrating the firing of 5x5mm projectiles, live during the show. The tiny projectiles have muzzle velocity of 120 meters per seconds.

          The 10 MJ PEGASUS is being used to advance the launcher and armature technology towards a reliable half-scale long range artillery system. Recent results include the successful launch of in-house developed launch packages (mass range is kg) for hypervelocity (> 2500 m/s) projectile acceleration. The ISL launch technology sets worldwide accepted standards with regard to the efficiency of the conversion of electric energy into kinetic energy (> 35%). ISL’s railgun facilities are unique in Europe.

          The military applications for this technology are many:
          - Long range artillery (in excess of 200 Km)
          - Anti-surface (naval)
          - Increased penetration thanks to high impact speed
          - Anti air and anti missile defense (including against hypersonic threats)
          - Simultaneous impacts thanks via rate of fire and velocity control
          - No powder (no prytechnic risks)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most informative post ITT.
            Also chek'em dubs.
            Some additions:
            The ISL or Institut Saint-Louis is little known but they do tons of secret squirrel stuff for military and some civilian applications.
            >https://www.isl.eu/
            Basically a multinational much smaller version of DARPA between krauts and frogs.
            Documentation about different fields they work on:
            >https://www.isl.eu/en/documentation/brochures
            A few articles and .pdf related to the railgun:
            >https://www.isl.eu/en/news-en/news-en/1286-isl-s-electromagnetic-gun-technology-at-the-heart-of-the-european-thema-project
            >https://www.isl.eu/documents/flyers/EN/isl-Elektrische-Kanone-EN-nm.pdf
            >https://www.isl.eu/documents/flyers/EN/isl_XRAM_EN_nm.pdf
            A 2022 article from a reputable frog blog about the 3 types of projectiles tested for the railgun at that point:
            >https://www.forcesoperations.com/eurosatory-de-nouveaux-concepts-de-munitions-pour-le-rail-gun-de-lisl/
            Their youtube channel with only 2 vids so far since apparently they don't care about PR:
            >https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMoqAwVQ9e3fzxLfq47icFw

            Pic related the ISL railgun prototype.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't know that the Germans and French are actually that far in railgun development.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, railguns aren't hard, material science for the barrel and the costs are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The main problem is convincing militaries to spend a few billion on gun development. The technology is mature enough to be useful in some situations. Capacitors and flywheels ain't cheap though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Japan's rail gun is small caliber CIWS
        Tell me more.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          40mm intended for anti ballistic missile intercepts among other CIWS tasks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2017/french-german-em-railgun-project-unveiled-at-dga-innovation-event

      >fully functioning scale model canon can launch 5x5 mm projectiles at a speed of 120 meters per second.
      Neat.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's a small truck/railgun, do they need France's Ratatouille-tier Rats to drive this shit?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    new technological axis

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AIslopgays should get the rope.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >flags of japan france germany combined, simple, two dimensional

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >AI thinks France is America

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh la la, ze AI know.
            fermer tout, activate ze Lafayette protocol

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be so hard on them, it must be difficult to live without a soul

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't railgun a dirdct fire weapon?
    Ordi they just fire in arc from insane distances?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon think about what you just said.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are no "direct-fire" weapons, all weapons have some kind of ballistic arc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A 120mm tank round can go 3miles with no noticeable round drop.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even if you were firing APFSDS at 2 km/s and omit drag, it would still have a vertical drop of 100 ft at that distance. The actual drop is way worse than that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not the meaning of direct fire or line-of-sight fire

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Frogs
    Immediately turning into a shit.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Weird that countries are still chasing this tech. Was there a materials science breakthrough or something on the horizon? Right now the tech appears to be infeasible due to barrel wear even ignoring the other costs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      japan sees value in using it as a 40mm CIWS.

      At that caliber it becomes easier to deal with barrel issues, AND japan says they've had some material science developments that made the wear issues less of a problem.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Right now the tech appears to be infeasible due to barrel wear even ignoring the other costs.
      maybe for the mutts

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not surprising since USA, China, Japan, Germany are leading in material sciences.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice try chang.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Germany
          LOL boomer

          Black person

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany
        LOL boomer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barrel wear is manageable. Floundering at ship design for more than a generation and failing to add power generation and distribution for railguns and directed energy weapons is not as easy to solve.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Barrel wear is manageable.
        They didn't get a dozen of shot before needing to change the rail.
        We could argue that by modern standard you wouldn't need more than a dozen launch done properly, but I would at least leave a margin of a hundred shot and changing the rail would better be a matter of hours, not days.

        The ship was more of a problem than the railgun tho.
        I wish we found a way to use coilgun to avoid the wear but their system is quite a bit more complex.

        You are more likely to get a materials science breakthrough if you actively try to make it work.

        By that logic where is my prototype of nuclear fusion powered aircraft with laser turret?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you really too moronic to know what more likely means?And if nobody does any research or tests new technology you won't get any railguns at all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Japan achieved 120 shots of rail lifetime over a year ago and they're throwing money at their allies to catch up. Try reading between the lines.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >120 rounds
            Hows that gonna work in an actual war?
            You can't just keep making barrels.
            Hw0g

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can, but also the barrels aren't your average steel barrels anon, and they're only going to start getting better.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You can't just keep making barrels.
              No one tell him.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Smaller projectiles, and if they rely purely on kinetic force, either that's a mighty precise anti-air interceptor, or you need more durable rails.
            At some point you also need to consider the fire rate and whether you can provide the energy.

            Are you really too moronic to know what more likely means?And if nobody does any research or tests new technology you won't get any railguns at all.

            Sunken cost fallacy, anon.
            The technology was tested, the difficulties were established and deemed not solvable short term.

            France, Germany & Japan are doing their own because they start from a different optic and may get around the problem, they also aim for smaller projectiles.
            Also to consider, the navy needed a railgun that's good on the sea, if the railgun is meant to be inland or at least coastal it make a difference for durability.
            You can't exactly put protective paints over a railgun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok moron. People don't randomly invent technology.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't randomly invent technology.
                That's the point Mr.cope.
                Just trying harder don't make mankind progress, trying smarter do.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are more likely to get a materials science breakthrough if you actively try to make it work.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >railgun
    >without new materials
    >same problems as always
    >still have to bin the entire barrel after x amount of shots
    frick it just use metal storm at this point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This just means that replacement barrels are part of the ammo package. The system must be designed so that rails can be quickly and easily replaced in the field, and they have to be produced economically en masse.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This just means that replacement barrels are part of the ammo package. The system must be designed so that rails can be quickly and easily replaced in the field, and they have to be produced economically en masse.

      try putting "refractory alloy" into google scholar, sort by date, and tell me there are no new materials emerging to make more erosion-resistant rails

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How would refractories work?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you make the rails out of an electrically conductive refractory alloy, or even a metal-matrix composite, so that the rails are more resistant to plasma erosion and do not need to be constantly replaced

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >German MAN trucks with railguns rushing through the enemy lines.

    >Toyota pick-ups are carrying the lighter Japanese CIWS railgun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We are geting there

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Laser class too OP

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany

    It's over before it even began

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clearly the Japanese did this because they know France & Germany are also fans of fast rail travel.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine how many fpv drones and shells you can get for money thrown at this meme shit

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >with france
    eh i gue-
    >france AND germany
    oh no no no no look at this dude
    worst fricking pick ever
    >french and german tank
    >disaster they can't stop fighting each others for contracts
    >french and german plane
    >can't stop fighting each others for contracts
    just don't, both are autist on different spectrum and they can't get along for shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're not developing something WITH France/Germany.

      They're looking at what France/Germany has developed so they can pick and choose pieces of technology for THEIR 40mm railgun CIWS program.

      when the article says "collaborative opportunities" it means japan will share their barrel wear tech if they get access to the tech they also want/need
      I do not read it as "france/germany/japan are developing a new weapon together"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The actual announcement is a two sentence tweet.

        Probably related to this project:
        https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2017/french-german-em-railgun-project-unveiled-at-dga-innovation-event
        Germany and France are working on a railgun for some time now.

        >On May 30, the defense authorities of Japan, France and Germany signed the "Implementation Guidelines for Cooperation on Railgun Technology" with the aim of exploring the possibility of collaboration by smoothly promoting the exchange of information and opinions on railgun technology. The Ministry of Defense will utilize these implementation guidelines and steadily work toward the early practical application of railguns.

        They chose to make "smoothly promoting the exchange of information and opinions on railgun technology" a hashtag, weirdly enough.
        https://twitter.com/hashtag/レールガン技術に関する情報・意見交換を円滑に進めることで

        In other words: we have no idea what level of information-sharing exists. All we know is an MOU was signed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In my opinion that reinforces my idea that it's just railgun technology sharing agreement, and not some railgun development program.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If germany can make massive railway in ww2 that could fire nearly 300 rounds before needing to replace the barrel then we can make a shitty railgun barrel that can withstand a couple hundred.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm beginning to think railgun stans are communists.
    >Fails
    >This time it will work
    >Fails again
    >This time it will work
    >Etc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Chinese already put a railgun on a ship in 2018. By not pursing railguns, communism is winning.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The scope of the Japanese and France-German programs are much smaller than the American or Chinese projects.

    So they shouldn't run into the same problems.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >railguns
    >what is electrothermal chemical

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