This photo made me think. Gathering so much armour in the same place without cover wold be a suicide on a real war. Which tells us that the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran, and that Hamas is a joke that can't even exploit such obvious sloppiness.
Also look at how they walk. They are absolutely carelesss and relaxed. There's no resistance.
What’s the context you fucking retard?
I can’t shit on these guys if I don’t know what they’re doing.
Doing everything 100% high speed tactical formation cheese spread at all times hooah isn’t how any military works ever fuckwit
In the warzone you want to survive, even slavs don't walk like that.
>even slavs don't walk like that.
Israelis don't drink that much.
That’s gonna be a big negative fuckface actual. You don’t waste everyone’s time and energy with bounding movements where there’s no threat. Just because there are tall buildings doesn’t mean those buildings aren’t clear. It’s not hard to clear a tall building. Combat in a tall building can be hard if you want to keep it intact, but Israel is clearly willing to level buildings, come on man.
>where there’s no threat
There's no threat until there is.
if you have literally no recon yes anon, but that's why you send in recon first. do you think israel is dumb enough to park multiple vehicles within line of sight and range of hamas? because that's what it seems like you think.
Bruh, look at me. We almost completely lost our recon platoon TWICE in a matter of one month. After that we had to do our own recon, which resulted in even more casualties. Please don't lecture me on perceived threats and discipline. We go to a toilet in combat formations and nobody complains
nobody cares about what happened to your supposed podunk unit in ukraine. we're talking about israel.
What a fucking cunt, jesus Christ
i'm not, i'm pointing out that your experiences are irrelevant here. literally nobody gives a shit about what you have to contribute.
Okay, literally nobody
This is a really shit way of dealing with being proved wrong. You should care what he has to say, because the context of his experience is more relevant to the topic than the context generated by this thread's backslapping and groupthink to justify your desire to be lazy. Absolute nagger-tier, low time preference, third world professionalism on display.
To paraphrase Jim Storr, some day a poor country is going to have a military that takes doing the little things right: Fast and good decision making devolved to low levels, consistent discipline and morale, generation of tempo with initiative and surprise, maintenance of momentum, reserves. In the west we like to think we're too cool, high speed, low drag, technologically sophisticated for these things, and some NATO or UN force is going to get a very bloody nose, a lot of casualties and a failed mission when it runs into the poor military that's determined to be brilliant at the basics.
$20 on a cartel or narco gang delivering the bloody nose.
we're talking about israel dealing with hamas, not your vatnik-in-2021-tier cope country. literally nothing is going to happen if a few armored vehicles are left in a motor pool, it says nothing about the state of israel's military. you will continue to seethe impotently.
>literally nothing is going to happen if a few armored vehicles are left in a motor pool, it says nothing about the state of israel's military
Nothing happens until it does. That's why competent military enforces strict discipline in every conflict in order to be ready to apply best practices when they are needed.
which is literally what israel is doing. actually retarded holy shit.
What a retard jesus chist
Meaningless string of words that could be used to justify or condemn any military based on who you like. You have no clue what Israel’s disciplinary orders are here
tbf they left their border with the prison city unguarded
>you think russia is dumb enough to park multiple vehicles within line of sight and range of atacms?
If you assume you're safe in a war zone, you're are the first to be humbled
There are videos of IDF grunts getting complacent and letting their guard down inside of those supposedly cleared and empty buildings only to get blown the fuck up by Al-Yassin 105s a few frames later. Those tunnels and rat holes are serious business.
this is literally the first and only video hamas has managed to take of idf soldiers in the past two weeks that's not taken from a drone
i highly doubt that that attack did anything other than give minor injuries. that blas hit the side of the building. not sure how effective that was
That’s silly. I’ve been concussed and puked blood for a few days from a tiny frag in a room clearing accident. That took me out for a few weeks. This looks orders of magnitude worse. Those guys, if they survived, aren’t making it back to the battlefield which, for all intents and purposes, may as well be a KIA.
> tiny frag in a room
learn the difference between fragmenation and HEAT.
Boy, I can’t wait to see what kind of cope you homosexuals come up with next
https://t.me/mmirlb/2232
see
>video too big for 4chin, please go to Incel Slave Z
Seriously?
2 years and you homosexuals still haven't learned how to blend in?
Whatever they're paying you, it's too much.
>spoon feed me, I’m retarded
Lol. Lmao even. The Telegram app is free and you’ll be kept up to date with all of the happenings in this conflict through it. There will no longer be an excuse to talk out of your homosexual ass, NAFO tranny homosexual.
>just register with your phone number and install FSB spyware, bruh
Big talk for someone who still hasn't posted webm.
Cope with what? The IDF continues advancing.
>"there are videos"
>doesn't post videos
Look, I get that you thirdies are so used to overt censorship that they might find such vagueposting to be convincing, but surely you can try harder.
>even slavs don't walk like that.
ive seen plenty of video evidence to the contrary
Press photos.
From
>There is no IDF in Gaza
to
>Noooooo you CaN't JusT sTanD hEre oN tHe streEt saFly
kek
lmao even
>stop sight raping me!
This is what i ve been thinking
>why are these idf idiots just sitting there , don t they know the hamas wunderwaffen army is going to nuke them anytime now !??!
>mushroom pilled troops
I always wonder what's up with their hats?
The head is the most identifiable part of the body; that bag effectively camoflauges the shape of their heads. Same idea as putting sticks and stuff in helmet webbing, only it turns out the bag works a whole lot better that webbing and sticks.
Amazing ty
>That is their version of blue tape/white tape for ID
I hate tapes, shit is retarded.
Now I think mushroom pilled is OP
>That one guy on the left who's merged with both his rifle and the engine block of the truck
>anon doesn't know about the war centaurs
in the lessons learned post WWI, the US Army decided to replace conventional transports with hybrid abominations created by fusing human souls with machinery. Having been found more than suitable during early trials, Ford was contracted to produce 100,000 transport monstrosities every 6 weeks, peaking around 250,000 in the same time leading up to and during WWII. Strangely, none ever returned from the European theater, but are rumored to be collectors items among various occultists around the globe.
That is their version of blue tape/white tape for ID, only it doesn't spoil camo properties. israelites are on the another level with their intelligence.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/israeli-troops-chefs-hat-helmet-covers-explained
Hamas couldn't import more than a couple of drones to do what the Ukrainians do to the Russians with drones?
The IDF actually has competent EW, so cheap drones are easily disabled
Nah they would rather import ultralights to die on powerlines in isreal.
In videos of them actually operating in fire zones that I’ve seen they don’t walk like that. Regular infantry tactics in those.
That's because they're obviously happy to be liberated from Hamas
nagger these are photo ops
>There's no resistance.
'Resistance' against what you ESL fuckstain?
>Which tells us that the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran
It really doesn't imply that at all. Where is Iran going to attack from?
From Lebanon duh. They have drones, ballistic and cruise missiles that would turn that cozy gathering of armour into ashes
>ballistic missiles
>against tanks
You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Fuck off
Retard.
>dumb HE rockets with CEP measured in 10s of meters per km
>against armor
lol
lol
Please name the Iranian anti tank ballistic missile lmfao
>anti tank ballistic missile
No neuron activation detected
That’s what you claimed in your original post. I’m just repeating your retarded claims back at you
Retard, stom shadow was ised against ships, it didn't make it an anti-ship missile, you cumbrain fuck
storm shadow has an image seeker and a very special warhead. bad comparison
It's not a comparison, it's an explanation why there's no ballistic anti-tank missiles despite the fact that a ballistic missile can and should be used to strike big gatherings of armour
It depends on warhead. Fragmentation warhead ain't gonna do much against AFVs. It's like shooting tank with 7.62 machinegun. Lol.
Ther can be cluster warheads desinged for tank killing, not sure if any ballistic missile has such.
Is “stom shadow” a ballistic missile? Do you know what a ballistic missile is?
It's called the Jihad missile and it's heading straight for Burger Town. Are you a bad enough dude to stop the missile?
The jihad missile is what mahomet called his dick when he fucked that 9 year old actually. Be accurate please
How are you so confidently dumb?
>Iran fires a Ballistic missile
>Israel responds with a nuclear weapon
>Tehran is now a smoking hole in the ground
Tell me the next step in Iran's master plan OP?
>Iran nukes them back
>the world shrugs and says well it's the middle east how are we supposed to fix this shit let's just give up on the region since global warming will cause it to be a region which can only support a miniscule population
>>Iran nukes them back
with what nukes lmfao
hmm who would be desperate enough to give them nukes idk man idk guess i was wrong
>russians
literal national suicide, assuming moscow doesn't get leveled with cruise missiles you're still looking at nuclear tomahawk installations covering all of europe
>pakistanis
both an incredibly stupid idea since they have india and china next door and just infeasible in general, pakistan has a policy of cooperating with everyone and alienating the west by handing out nukes is an incredibly dumb idea even for them
>china
no.
>north korea
no.
Holy retard. Hesbollah launches missiles at Israel almost daily
you mean rockets right? and those mostly land in open areas. unless you're referring to ATGMS
Hezbollah doesn't fire Ballistic Missiles from Iran
Does it matter where it fires it from? Lebanon is an Iran's proxy, just like the Houthis.
>Ballistic missiles
>Tanks
lebanon and syria. iraq will allow passage of iranian, afghan, and pakistani troops into syria.
>Golan Heights 2: Electric Boogaloo
I think you're delusional but watching the IAF strike targets in the desert would also be funny
this. retards seem to forget why hamas and hezbollah utilize tunnels so much. anyone looking to face the idf on the ground is toast
Very questionable in all cases. Iran wouldn't be able to support such a deployment anyway, the troops themselves would be of dubious quality, and it would be seen coming, and thus attacked, a mile away. Most would get to the border in bodybags. Survivors attacking a ready and waiting IDF would be suicidal.
>implying iran will allow afghani troops through their territory
>implying afghanistan will let pakistani troops through their territory
>Israel
>Ground war with Iran
are you retarded? Any war with Iran would be an air campaign.
>Which tells us that the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran
How is Iran going to fight Israel outside of using its proxies? Such as Hamas and Hezbolla
>Hamas is a joke that can't even exploit such obvious sloppiness
Arabs, war, yadda yadda
You'd think they'd at least point the vehicles the other way, in case someone sneaks up on their position from the town side.
Have you considered the possibility that if Hamas were capable of destroying massed armor out in the open, they wouldn't be massing armor out in the open? Do you put on full body armor and helmet and NODs and carry an AR every time you go to the convenience store because there exists somewhere someone with a capability to kill you, or do you just walk over in shorts and a t-shirt because those people aren't very likely to attack you at that very moment? This is a fucking retarded thread.
You're thinking about it wrong. It's a matter of training. You always hide your vehicles, you never put them in one spot, you always keep a combat formation near the frontline. You learn that in the bootcamp. Besides, Hamas do have drones that could damage armour.
Why don't they then? Are they stupid?
Because they are being sloppy, that's the point of this thread, duh.
actually no this is a thing all militaries do, you park unused transport/combat vehicles in a safe location and have a detachment of troops guard them. for infantry units using unarmored vehicles as transports you'll generally group the trucks up some distance from the front and have the infantry march forward.
they likely have no reason to fear for the safety of these vehicles as they've cleared hamas from the area and know hamas lacks the ability to locate and strike them with indirect fire. the troops associated with these vehicles are likely inside, having lunch somewhere or on foot doing patrols.
this is something all militaries do when it's safe to do so, you've just developed such a hatred for americans that you think having a safe backline means being a cuck or something. your opinion is worth literally nothing.
i've only seen one drone drop inside gaza. and that was on troops. why are they so incompetent with their drones
I'm not thinking about it wrong. I'm thinking about it from the perspective of someone who has actually walked the walk. I'm a GWOT-era grunt (or was). I deployed. The mark of good leadership is knowing when and where to enforce discipline to the maximum and where your guys could get a morale boost from allowing discipline to wane for a time. Obviously, since nothing happened to those vehicles on that beach, their call was accurate.
The mark of good leadership is to always enforce discipline and never be sloppy. You clearly walked your walk in a meme conflict like the war on terror and can't even imagine the modern warfare with drones in every squad and competent artillerymen who can make a straight hit on a third try, a minute after being corrected by a drone.
>walked your walk in a meme conflict like the war on terror
though so it's a salty arab who hates the idea of a force having air dominance
>The mark of good leadership is to always enforce discipline and never be sloppy
That's not how human beings function.
>modern warfare with drones in every squad and competent artillerymen who can make a straight hit on a third try, a minute after being corrected by a drone.
Yeah... that's not what's going on.
Nah, he's actually probably right, it's just an extremely unpopular position amongst soldiers, for obvious reasons. I could dig up some dead general officer quotes from the world wars to support it, but arguing with civvies or soldiers that the perspective of soldiers is wrong is usually a fat waste of time.
Quotes from dead people has never been a convincing argument.
After getting through their first combat deployments the soldiers begin to appreciate the virtues of discipline
>I could dig up some dead general officer quotes
Why? If they were good generals they wouldn't be dead.
Oh Carlos, you handsome devil.
Nah you're wrong. It's actually more efficient to NOT be cautious if an enemy won't force you to be. It's much faster and you get other priorities done.
this is the real problem you deal with in leadership, how do you balance risk with efficiency/performance?
this shit is explained in literally every US field manual it's that ingrained. you CAN send your tank company to that location in bounding maneuver in fields, or you can make the judgement call (and this is on you plus your command staff) that there's no significant enemy forces in the area and just do administrative movement via roads. this is talked about in books written by officers constantly.
this.
>you can make the judgement call
This is the point everyone misses, and the most important one. To other militaries, the Americans in particular are unimaginably chaotic, seemingly with everyone at every single level empowered to make decisions that fly completely in the face of doctrine. It turns out that strict, rigid adherence to doctrine is how you get shit like 300k dead Russians in Ukraine despite an enormous (initial) advantage in firepower. It must seem like absolute lunacy to any Russian commander that an American E-4 Bradley VC can tell his platoon leader to go fuck himself if the order would put his vehicle and crew in undue danger, or that a company commander can simply give directions to a platoon and more-or-less trust that platoon to accomplish the objective without actually knowing precisely how it will end up being accomplished in advance.
This is why the Western military philosophy is superior. A little bit of trust goes a long way, and improvisation is the heart of leadership because, as they say, no plan survives contact with the enemy. This isn't just a pithy little aphorism — it's a fundamental assumption on western military theory, and one around which almost its entire military is built. Where Russians have thousands of pages of TTPs that delineate strict actions to be taken in strict circumstances, western armies say, "Here are the rules. Learn them so you can break them."
>This is why the Western military philosophy is superior. A little bit of trust goes a long way, and improvisation is the heart of leadership because, as they say, no plan survives contact with the enemy. This isn't just a pithy little aphorism — it's a fundamental assumption on western military theory, and one around which almost its entire military is built. Where Russians have thousands of pages of TTPs that delineate strict actions to be taken in strict circumstances, western armies say, "Here are the rules. Learn them so you can break them."
But this is also antithetical to the entire authoritarian structure anon. It only works because the American military isn't expected to put down the population at any given moment or seen as a risk of suddenly staging a coup, like, at all. There is no question at all about civilian leadership being in charge, and said civilian leadership gets challenged in front of the people and rotated fairly regularly with the soliders themselves all having the exact same one vote as their generals about who is up next.
A competent, flexible, empowered bottom up military in Russia would have deposed tsar monke ages ago. Leadership can't trust and respect the military when leadership itself is absolutely and utterly unworthy of any sort of trust or respect.
I'm not talking about anything to do with civilians. I am talking about military functions from individual fireteams on up to brigade leadership. Nobody who's deployed and doesn't wear stars on his chest gives the slightest fuck about civilians. I'm talking about the people who actually do the job instead of the people who profit from the job done.
>I'm not talking about anything to do with civilians
I'm saying you are, because they're intimately intertwined. The kind of quality and better performing military structure you're describing only works in a higher trust societal environment. In a low trust society the military may be seen as just as big potential threats, or bigger, as flat out enemies. I'm damn near certain that Russian leadership has almost always considered the Russian army to be a bigger threat to them then NATO for example.
>they're intimately intertwined
Sure didn't feel like it to me! At 20 years old trudging over the mountains and through the orchards of Afghanistan, I would have laughed in your face if you tried to talk to me about the ways in which what I'm doing is "heavily intertwined" with the civilians back home.
Wow. It's almost like free and open societies are better or something.
>the American military isn't expected to put down the population at any given moment
Wanna know how we know you failed American history in school? They've done it many times before, they'll do it again.
>Wanna know how we know you failed American history in school? They've done it many times before, they'll do it again.
Who do you think you're fooling with this shit you dumb /misc/nig? We know you're just whining about your slavery boner yet again and pretending that a minority of filthy traitors are "the population" lmao. And even that only applied to the historical army with conscription, whereas what's under discussion is the modern all volunteer professional army and its current doctrine. Tell us about all the times the all volunteer professional US Military has been used to "put down the population"? How about military coups, when have we had those? Go on.
>he doesn't know about all the other times the us military has put down civilian uprisings
Your preening indignance is insufficient to distract from your collossial ignorance, Cletus.
dumb motherfucker doesn't know about the Whiskey Rebellion, US Army putting down miners and strikers, the Bonus Army or even Kent State. When did /k/ get filled with bootlickers?
>noooooo you can't condemn our criminal treason fuk da poweece drugs and your property are my human rights!
yeah
>gets called out for being an ignorant 'tard
>immediately doubles down and calls WWI veterans demanding their pay from the government criminals and traitors
/misc/ is not sending their best. many such cases. sad
>turdie desperately goalpost shifts
>tries to cover for criminals
>btfo
yeah
very cool anon, tell us then, who were the Bonus Army?
>/misc/ is not sending their best
This IS their best
so you're saying
is right that you were retarded in your claim
>the American military isn't expected to put down the population at any given moment
or is your defense that you were merely pretending to be retarded?
Since you agree with him that the US military has in fact needed to btfo its own civilians multiple times and would have no hesitation in doing it again.
>It only works because the American military isn't expected to put down the population at any given moment or seen as a risk of suddenly staging a coup, like, at all
like he said
>a little bit of trust goes a long way
mental illness
They aren't fucking fighting a war against a near-peer though, you absolute fucking window-licking mongoloid. They are fighting against Arab irregulars. Regardless of what you think (from the comfort of your computer chair) about the wars I fought, consider the possibility that I know just a little bit more about fighting irregular insurgents than you do.
اللعنة عليك يا خنزير الكلب. العربية رقم واحد.
I've fought in the Puccia war, hence in a real one. That makes me qualified enough to recognise the things you should never do no matter who you fight against.
Hardcore bait or mental illness
Replies cope but this is true. The IOF could learn something from a strong country like Russia.
>sleep less than 6 hours a day
>have to maintain a combat ready status 24/7/365
spoken like a true armchair general
>sleep less than 6 hours a day
For two hours at a time
It's literally your fucking job. I'm a grunt as well
When and where did you deploy?
Ukraine, now
>It's literally your fucking job.
It's literally fucking impossible for 99% of people as well, even if they THINK in the moment that they're still operating at 100%. It's like drunk drivers, the very thing raising risk also makes it harder to recognize the increased risk and mistakes. It's the job of those NOT in the thick of it to recognize that and try to account for it. Which itself may not always be possible, but there's a price.
>I'm a grunt as well
OK? Doesn't mean you're well placed to see at the higher level the toll its taking.
>Ukraine, now
And Ukraine is losing human resources it shouldn't and wishes it didn't. Which doesn't take away an iota from the desperate situation you've found yourselves in and the incredible job done, but given the chance to do better you would. Avoiding that sort of scenario has been part of Western planning since WW2, reinforced by Korea and Vietnam for the US. And we still are far from perfect at it. When god willing Ukraine wins and throws out the orcs and gets a chance to prepare for the inevitable next time they attack I have no doubt there will be a move towards learning lessons to do better.
>SOLIDERS I NEED 100% ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS SERIOUS IN WAR!!
>OK NOW IT'S SUPER GIGA SERIOUS SO NOW I NEED 120%!!!!!!
>WAIT WHY ARE MISTAKES HAPPENING 200%!!!!!!!!!!!
>IF WE NEVER SLEEP JUST LIKE DRONES THAT WILL MAKE EVEN MORE PERFORMANCE I'M A GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>GUIZ?
yeah
Russian way of war
>You clearly walked your walk in a meme conflict like the war on terror
But that's literally what Israel is doing right now.
Are you 14 or just autistic?
>You always hide your vehicles
Sorry, sweetheart. Cars drive on roads.
It's a matter of threats anon.
Main threat is tunnels rats that can pop up in any place and try to shot and capture isolated soldiers. With such threat you better stay close on supposedly free of tunnels place (checked by sapers) and maintain 360 degrees security.
If there is threat of mass MRLS cluster fire optimal battle formation would be different. But Hamas doesn't have mass MRLS cluster fires.
the fact this post that is rational produced so much response seethecope is insane
Literal, unironic IDF here
The post is totally right. The problem is that it's extremely mentally taxing to be ready and alert 24/7, weeks at a time. This is why our relatively undisciplined army gets complacent.
However, in this case, I'm pretty sure that these vehicles are far from the actual frontline (probably resting from a few days of battle). While they should probably do better in this case, I get why they're acting like that. You try being on high alert for a week straight.
(Generally imo one of the the IDF's strengths is the combination of low discipline with high individual initiative, which makes us more flexible compared to others).
Exactly.
>Do you put on full body armor and helmet and NODs and carry an AR every time you go to the convenience store
If you'd been on /k/ longer, you wouldn't ask that question rhetorically.
I've been on /k/ since 2007.
sad
>that Hamas is a joke that can't even exploit such obvious sloppiness.
actual fucking retard. that's on the coast meaning that area is completely clear. wtf is it that you expect hamas to do? pop out of nowhere with atgms so they get blown to bits by a drone lmfao
What fucking area, you dumbass? Hamas could've launch a drone from 5km away. It's 2023, not 2003.
so why haven't they? more than 2 weeks on the ground with slow moving israeli amoured vehicle and not one drone attack on them. makes you think.
Because Hamas is a joke. That said, you always have yo assume that your enemy is competent, otherwise even a bunch of retard can punish you.
maybe because they are going against a technologically superior enemy in a small strip of land with EW covering the entire area. and other technological assests triangulating signals that result in building getting reduced to rubble by 2000 pound jdams
Even guerilla fighters can inflict a lot of damage, especially in an urban environment. The fact that Hamas can't do it makes it a joke.
a lot of damage is subjective according to some people they're doing a very good job so far, even winning. when in reality they're getting vaporized. can you blame them for staying under tunnels instead of attempting to launch drones and get vaporized?
Hamas has done pretty well tbh.
besides that
There is video of exactly 1 drone attack.
I am pretty sure they're clever enough to utilize different tactics depending on the situation.
When you're in the army you have to look like you're doing cool army stuff all the time, because how else are you going to be prepared to fight the bad guys?
Dude rocking that Superman CGI chin.
>Monke sees action
>Jarhead 2 and 3 exist
The big problem in Gaza are rpgs, they probably park in that space because it has a covered visual pov from the towers of the coast that may be in hamas area.
The IDF is actually more ready for a conventional war than for a guerrilla war tough this latest conflict shows they actually did improved a lot form the lebanon war and may have surpassed idf expectations.
israelites are nesting in Gaza
Just doing their usual blood rituals and sacrifices
Why would they disperse their armor against Hamas?
Hamas doesn't have much in the way of artillery to hit them with and individual tanks are much more vulnerable to anti-tanks teams.
The doom stack is very powerful if you can get away with it.
damn ICATGMs, making armored warfare obsolete for the twelfth time this week
You completely lost the thtead of the discussion. Read the first posts.
The first post in this discussion mentioned “ballistic missiles” used against tanks. Anon rightly pointed out that was patently retarded and then a few sandnaggers responded with chimp related noise
I think it's also worth mentioning that nobody in this conflict has fired a ballistic missile at the opposing side.
The Houthis did but yes
They did? I thought it was a cruise missile. I'll have to look into it again.
they launched drones and cruise and ballistic missiles. ballistic missile were shotdown by arrow.
webm of one of the launches of arrow
One cruise missile was also shot down by arrow and one ballistic missile was shot down by an F-35i
>one ballistic missile was shot down by an F-35i
pretty sure that was a cruise missile
also patriot took down a drone
Yeah that’s a cruise missile. Guess I misremembered
Retard, Houthis did.
Interesting, very cool.
What would be patently retarded? Striking a a half dozen of armoured vehicles with one missile, like killing two birds with one stone? Consider the possibility of being retarded yourself
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A BALLISTIC MISSILE IS YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER IT ISNT USED TO TARGET TANKS JESUS CHRIST STFU
What a retard. Boths ATACMS and Iskander were used to target armoured vehicles
>ATACMS
Doesn't have anti tank warhead
There was BATs loaded variant it was cancelled together with the BAT.
>950 anti-personnel and equipment-destroying bomblets
These bomblets doesn't have shaped charge cone. At max they can kill something like Shilka with 6mm roof.
Show me the Iranian equivalent of ATACMs, once again. Jesus Christ
So if I launch a nuke at an armored group does that make nukes an anti-tank weapon?
You have to be trolling. No way someone is this stupid
That's a pretty big sample size...
One of the Hamas video drops last week showed them mortar pounding the IDF motor pool in the northern most part of Gaza where dozens of tanks were just fucking sitting tightly parked next to one another. If you ever bought into the “IDF ‘Don’t Mess With the Zohan’ super warrior” hype, you fell for cheap hasbara propaganda. They have proven to be a bunch of bush league schmucks on the ground. They can’t into a proper ground incursion which is, you know, what you actually need to destroy an insurgency. It’s going to be a bloodbath with hundreds of dead conscripts come the end of the year and the IDF won’t be able to hide it because conscripts themselves are going to take to TikTok and tell the world what kind of meat grinder it actually is. Mark my fucking words. Lmao.
Don't forget to eat your hat in the end no of the year.
>hundreds of dead conscripts come the end of the year
kek that's your concept of high numbers of casualties
news flash retard 300 idf personnel died on october 7th, conscripts were getting shot in their underwear
they're in it for the long haul now
>One of the Hamas video drops last week showed them mortar pounding the IDF motor pool in the northern most part of Gaza
implying they hit anything
I’ll admit, I know fuck all about Israeli military capability outside of tv, film, legend and hearsay. Kek
I’m a former infantry Marine and my advice to you is don’t get too comfortable because that’s when terrible shit happens.
As I was saying, you are right and they /should/ be on high alert. What I'm saying is that its typical IDF to relax while in the middle of a war.
>I’m a former infantry Marine and my advice to you is don’t get too comfortable because that’s when terrible shit happens.
Yes, but there are points at which you absolutely have to get at least a little comfortable. You can't be in your body armor 24/7, so on the FOB or COP or firebase, there are going to be points at which you get your gear off. We know literally nothing about this precise point at which the trucks are grouped. Nothing. We don't know if it's sufficiently safe to do it. I'm guessing it probably is. While I don't know why they would do it like that instead of the traditional (for us) herringbone formation, let's be real, the herringbone doesn't really add THAT much. Dispersion could be better, but to play devil's advocate, maybe they're worried about IEDs on the beach and haven't cleared anywhere else. A beach has the nice bonus that pretty much anything that's going to come at you when dealing with insurgents is from inland, not from the sea. The primary advantage of a herringbone or similar vehicle formation when on overwatch is field of fire... but that doesn't really matter so much when any fire comes from inland, right?
Also, like everyone else has been saying this thread... feel free to provide a plausible example of how Hamas could use weapons they actually have to attack that formation AND in which ways that attack could kill more vehicles compared to a more traditional dispersion.
Either way, the point OP was trying to make was that because the IDF did that once in Gaza, they're (for some reason he never explained) also going to do that against Iran, which has more advanced capabilities. It's just retarded and brainless.
Exactly. And speaking of being serious vs OP's retardation:
>but to play devil's advocate, maybe they're worried about IEDs on the beach and haven't cleared anywhere else. A beach has the nice bonus that pretty much anything that's going to come at you when dealing with insurgents is from inland, not from the sea. The primary advantage of a herringbone or similar vehicle formation when on overwatch is field of fire... but that doesn't really matter so much when any fire comes from inland, right?
Like come the fuck on to OP/other anons, we're talking fucking Hamas. They don't have a Navy. They don't have an airforce. They don't have high performance PGMs of any significance. They don't have lots of 152/155mm arty, or ANY for that matter. Beaches are pretty mediocre places for tunnel surprises.
Only retards or those very green would blindly follow "modern doctrine" identically vs any possible enemy. Dug in insurgents absolutely present real threats, but they're DIFFERENT threats then an opposing peer mechanized army too. To second what you're saying a different way
>"Attention and care is a resource just like ammunition or fuel"
Soldiers only have so much mental and physical resources themselves same as their kit. And they're harder to "refuel" too. It's an important part of command to know when to "spend" that, and when to save it. Telling everyone to be at maximum alert 100% of the time even when there is no likely threat will 100% inevitably lead to degradation of performance.
>Soldiers only have so much mental and physical resources themselves same as their kit
To be fair, I think this lesson is nearly unimaginable without direct experience. Maybe there's some kind of leadership analog in sports, but I'm tempted to say that there is literally nothing that compares to leading men in combat. There is a unique misery to daily life in combat that you really just can't imagine without experiencing it. You have to get men who are exhausted from six months of daily patrols under 100 pounds of gear, running on 4 hours of interrupted sleep a night, and are cold, angry, hungry, afraid of sudden and instant death, etc., to act like they're in the military. How can a civilian ever truly understand what that's like? Dealing with personnel underneath you as a civilian is absolutely nothing like military command. If you are in civilian leadership, you literally cannot order men to push past these points. In the military, you obviously can, and they will obviously obey... but like you say it comes at a cost. Sometimes an extremely heavy one.
>If you are in civilian leadership, you literally cannot order men to push past these points.
Oh man you didn't work in the direct sales...
>but I'm tempted to say that there is literally nothing that compares to leading men in combat
Not to put that down in the slightest anon, but medical care in an strained situation is pretty bad too. Could be a major disaster, but also even in a hospital just plain stretched too thin, it's REALLY hard as well even if people aren't shooting at you. You're witnessing mass suffering/death of civilians including children and don't have the time/resources your training says to devote to each one, you KNOW your triage decisions will mean some people suffer/die who wouldn't have given what we "should" be able to do in medicine, and on top of that people are screaming and angry at you as the face of things even if the systemic issues are due to administration and insurance and so on higher up suits way way away from the "trench lines". And the problems of lack of respect by leadership for sleep or not giving "110%" 24/7/365 is very similar. In some ways better, in some ways even worse. But burnout is bad and has an accelerating effect as well, because people can in fact just quit whenever they want. Which increases the strain on everyone else. And even theoretically can't just conscript more bodies and deploy them with a few months of training, everyone in modern medicine are specialists with years and years behind them.
>How can a civilian ever truly understand what that's like?
Again not perfect analogy but I do think some of the front line during the pandemic probably at least had a taste. Afraid of "sudden and slow lingering death" vs "sudden and instant", probably not cold/hungry but angry/overworked/scared yes.
Anyway, just saying there does seem to be slowly, VERY VERY SLOWLY, some rising appreciation for burnout in civilian circles. I see a lot more articles these days even in business journals about workers getting 8 hours of sleep and false productivity around 80-100 hour weeks when sustained.
>hundreds
Is that what you call a bloodbath? Are you retarded? They’ve already conquered like half the strip. It’s been three weeks
god is the IDF retarded week of Ukraine and they learned nothing... this event kinda showed they are a paper tiger with some high tech but still arab/semite tier.
its mostly APCs but your still one drone drop away from sympathetic losses
>Which tells us that the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran
Anon, just because they know they can get away with that against Hamas doesn't mean they would do the same thing in a different conflict.
The Iranian drone loves the stupid Israel mobik
>IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran
How is Iran going to get there?
High quality thread, with real insight from people who have actually seen combat. That's rare these days.
I'm going to put some of this to use when I enter Gaza, thanks lads.
>NYOOOOOOOOOOOOO ISRAEL IS WINNING SO MUCH THAT THEY ARE CHILLING ON THE BEACH
>DONT THEY KNOW THAT 10 GORRILLIAN BROWNOIDS ARE READY TO SPRING INTO ACTION ANY DAY NOW
>THEY WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE IF THEY GOT SERIOUS DESPITE THE PAST SHOWING OTHERWISE
Idiotic take. There is absolutely no reason to engage in additional spacing or formations beyond what is tactically required. It is logistically, physically, and mentally straining, all finite resources.
Israel is obviously confident they've cleared the area in these photos, and Hamas has minimal capacity to threaten those assets or infantry. Whereas there are quite a few other photos and videos of infantry and armor moving in formations during combat.
The few Israeli casualties thus far in an assault on dense MOUT prepared for nearly 20 years against invasion suggests they have a pretty good handle on how to conduct themselves in and against that terrain and enemy.
No trophy?
why are you posting IDF photo ops? are you one of those retards who believe this idf picture is from abandoned vehicles captured by hamas?
This picture was posted by the IDF Spokesperson, shit ain't destroyed. Maybe one dude was a retard and got his cope cage bent
Why is there no damage on the vehicles if they are supposedly destroyed?
pirated copies of photoshop
>Which tells us that the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran, and
They violate Iranian airspace regularly and blow up their shipments transiting through Syria. They're fighting their current enemy l. They wouldn't use the same tactics against Iran. Also, Turkey isnt letting Iran through and Syria can't afford to get dragged into a war with Israel given their current situation. Iraq also doesn't want a war between Israel and Iran on its territory. So how would such a war take place?
>that Hamas is a joke that can't even exploit such obvious sloppiness.
On multiple levels. They manage to increasingly fuck over the people they're supposedly governing.
You forget that many Israelis are Polish or Russian, and most of the remainder are closer to arabs, only a few are really "white". They do stupid things because they *are* stupid. This is nutjob desert Russia with American money, and it acts as expected.
Maybe they just don't feel too worried about the people who lost 1500 troops on the first day of the war, and managed to achieve a negative K/D ratio against old people, hippies and cops?
>"Hamas has lost control of Gaza - terrorists are fleeing south, civilians are looting Hamas bases," Defense Minister Yoav Gallant stated on Monday.
>After completing a situational assessment in which he emphasized the progress of IDF soldiers in fighting in Gaza. "The IDF forces work according to a plan and carry out the missions with precision, lethality and in coordination between the air, sea and land forces, using precise intelligence," the defense minister said.
>"There is no power that Hamas has capable of stopping the IDF. The IDF is advancing to every point. Hamas has lost control of Gaza, terrorists are fleeing south, civilians are looting Hamas bases, they have no confidence in the government."
[...]
>IDF attacks have broken the effectiveness of 10 out of 24 Hamas battalions, says the military.
>For the first time since the start of the war, the IDF on Monday provided its official estimates of the size and make-up of what Hamas's forces were on the eve of the war which started on October 7.
>In addition, the IDF gave its estimate of the impact it has had on Hamas's forces through around five weeks of air strikes and two-and-a-half weeks of a ground invasion.
>According to the IDF, Hamas started the war with 30,000 men who were split into five regional brigades, which themselves split into 24 battalions, which themselves split into 140 companies. Each battalion had around 1,000 plus men.
>civilians are looting Hamas bases
Alright /k/, what's the coolest hamas loot that you most want to be in possession of?
Hardmode: can't be anything hamas pilfered from the IDF on day 1
Their scalps.
Virgins cower, spread out
Chads kill everything and stroll in
Israeli troops have taken the Hamas parliament, wherever that is.
it's like two streets away from the shifa complex
This has real "there are no Americans in Baghdad" vibes
lmfao. this picture is causing absolute seethe. hopefully the boys in the idf release plenty more like this
However this pic itself was published by the IDF showing troops operating in Gaza.
expect to see this pic a lot in the coming days
One retard has already been spamming it claiming the vehicles are all destroyed.
well they are certainly dirty. IDF needs to set up a field carwash lol
Gaza is just a shithole.
I'm actually quite worried about dust inhalation for soldiers operating in gaza. Palestinian buildings are not made with modern coding and they probably still use asbestos and shit. Battlefield dust in general fucks up your lungs
>vehicles are still smoking
>they are just dirty, heh
You can clearly see the smoke is coming from the building to the right and front-right.
You are delusional
Please forgive him, he has a 67 IQ.
67.9, effectively 68. Don't sell him short.
pol/twitter is claiming it's showing a destroyed convoy even though it was published by the IDF itself lol
https://nws.report/weekly-photos/92102/
Interesting that one of the cope cages shows signs of shrugging off an explosive of some sort, thereby proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that it isn't actually cope at all.
Could be some debris fell on it though. You can’t really know
For some reason I assumed they didn't have one.
I was surprised it still was standing. Why the fuck didn't IDF blow it up in 2008/2012/2014/2021
I assume it was basically a city council. Aren't a lot of Hamad leaders outside of Gaza? Poor form to do a preemptive strike on a parliament in any case.
>Poor form to do a preemptive strike on a parliament in any case.
so true, comrade, why on earth would a military ever want to capture the enemy's leadership and command centers? truly unfathomable
....are you making an incredibly round-about joke about the Reichstag fire?
Or are you simply retarded.
>/misc/ is that way schizo -->
Go back to plebbit, cancer.
t. not even him
He asked why it wasn't done earlier. Preemptive strike would mean before Oct. 7. When there's a steep power imbalance like there is between Gaza and Israel just nuking the place would be very bad for Israel diplomatically, and they are not doing great in the propaganda front anyway.
Soviet entry into Berlin, 4 years after their entry into World War 2, is not remotely relevant.
I know this is an ESL board but that doesn't explain your logic problem.
probably the same idea around medics and chaplains and stuff. dont shoot ours, we wont shoot yours.
>inb4 but hamas/idf are shooting schools/churches
>but hamas/idf has shot council buildings
dont care
Mad lads have blown the building up now
Mad bants from the israelites today.
Someone make a webm
https://twitter.com/archer83able/status/1724802898843095247
The issue of a multifront war with Iran is actually serious, which is why I'm glad IDF is neutralizing the southern front now.
The "nightmare scenario" was multiple oct-7 attacks on all fronts. Now at least everything can be concentrated north.
>broader conflict with Iran
Is there any realistic chance that Iranians will directly fight Israel? I was under the impression that the Persians just want regional dominance without getting their hands dirty so they fund and arm the Arabs to fight for their interests instead.
Having Persian soldiers dying for Palestine/Lebanon seems like something current Iranian society would not accept
I don't think you should see Iran as out for "persian" hegemony seeing how even the Supreme Leader is an Azeri. Rather they are out to export their militant version of shiism to places like Lebanon, Syria (with Alawites), Yemen (Houthis and the Imamate), Bahrain/Iraq (with their Shia populations), etc to make their brand of Islam dominant in the entire Middle East.
It's crudley more closer to a Sunni-Shia conflict along Sectarian lines.
they have complete superiority in every aspect of war and are fighting malnurished children with AKs and shitty homemade RPGs, none of this matters
Israeli Golani brigade storms and takes the Hamas governor’s mansion and police headquarters
More news: IDF takes Al Shati camp. Report 1000 hostiles KIA. Not sure how to confirm - may be propaganda/psy warfare targeting Hamas in my opinion. Also, northern Gaza Hamas commander killed in the fighting. A very senior Hamas military figure
I stand corrected. It was a mistranslation: 1000 Hamas fighters killed so far in total in ground operation battles. That would be about 3% of total Hamas membership. Doesn’t include potential bombing and shelling kills. This lines up very well with reports and footage I’ve seen from Gaza I think.
a lot of hamas is either hiding or fleeing south. We're not seeing much in the way of massed resistance to IDF outside of the first 3-4 days of the ground Op where they got plastered
Defeat has a cascading tendency
most of hamas is in khan yunis now. The only question is what to do with it after north gaza is secured
Secure it too!
>3% of total Hamas membership
That's actually worrying - where the hell are the rest of them? Did they all escape to Egypt through the tunnels?
If 1.5 million Gazans can be pushed south then it shouldn't be difficult for tens of thousands of Hamas members to still remain in the cordoned off area in Gaza or just to permeate anywhere in the strip
lel. I hope they send the palis to Ireland. Lets see how much they suck their dicks then
Holy based, that would be so Dark Biden
biden is a gibbering retard that doesn't know what day it is. I've always been a Trump man.
>I don't like this retarded old man, I prefer the other one.
I'm Israeli and support sending gazans abroad to solve their problem once and for all.
HOWEVER, they are only allowed to go to the following countries and any other country is permitted to sink a refugee boat on sight.
don't let those parasites into your countries, true western man. DO NOT.
shit I meant to label ireland instead of UK
oh well, UK is doomed anyway
How about you guys don't cause a refugee crises like Turkey and Russia did
if ireland and bolivia love palis so much they should take them in
preferably they just settle in the sinai though
>none of these are countries I would ever visit, let alone live in
Is Norway a mistake? What the fuck? Why Norway?
not that anon but norway has been pretty bitchy to israel over this war so I assume that's what he means
Why would they be? Are they retarded?
They can go to China
also south and north pole too
What the fuck did Norway and Iceland do to israelite?
Most likely just hiding in southern Gaza since they can just embed themselves among the refugees following evacuation orders. Egypt keeps pretty tight border security, too. The last thing they want is Hamas seeking refuge in their territory and linking up with the Muslim Brotherhood.
It's the middle east, even Hezbollah has Arab mentality, Israeli mentality is slightly higher than Arabs so it's all good.
>FREE PALESTINE, THEY WILL NO LONGER LIVE UNDER THE YOKE OF TIRANNY
>IDF frees palestine from HAMAS
>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>Israel
>having a land war with Iran
Explain to us this fantasy world of yours where it takes place.
>the IDF is not prepared for s broader conflict with Iran
They have their golem host nation for that.
We should be thankful all Hamas has are bottle rockets otherwise we'd be giving Israel 100 billion a year instead of 4 billion.
The IDF's latest victory was the invasion of a hospital full of prematurely born babies.
>total /misc/estinian death
Palestinians can die safe in the knowledge the babies held their position more reliably than Hamas "resistance"
The IDF really kicked those preemie's ass. Gotta hand it to them.
1 month ago
>Muh IDF diapers
>Muh tunnools
>Muh urbane warfare
>Gaza will destroy the IDF, GLOBALISE THE INTIFADE
Today :
>NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COME AND ARREST ME INSIDE A HOSPITAL THIS IS MY SAFE SPACE!
What happened, Hamasisters?
Why is Hamas hiding behind prematurely born babies?
Why would sandnaggers put their central command bunker right underneath a hospital full of premature babies?
lets hope there are many more to come!
>The spitting incident, which the city’s minority Christian community lamented as the latest in an alarming surge of religiously motivated attacks, drew rare outrage on Tuesday from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior officials.
I don't know a lot about the spitting incidents, but I suspect it's coming from ultra-Orthodox israelites concentrated in the northwestern parts of Jerusalem in particular. They can be pretty nasty and sectarian and they try to live like their ancestors in 19th century Lithuania.
But that wouldn't describe the more secular and nationalist Israelis. It's somewhat brutally comic how the cops treat them:
Holy shit the way that ogre took him down
I love it when /misc/naggers try to pretend they didn't say the things they literally spammed the board with.
Shouldn't you be hiding behind an incubator, Mehmet?
Why did you leave out the part where that guy is in house arrest? Should we go for insight into America's prisons and interview them?
ESL moment.
Shouldn't you be hiding behind an incubator, Mehmet?
They had no choice but to launch their armor on the baby ward. Look!
Commander Vile Shlomo is leading the assault on the Hamas Kindergartner Divisions. Let's all pray for him, guys. I will pay you $250 to come to DC and protest against peace in his name.
Now, don't quote me on this because I am by no means an expert. But I feel like launching a millitary campaign on a hospital might actually be a war crime...?
Nope. Hospitals lose their protected status if they've been used for military purposes other than the care of wounded.
Building your terrorist command centre inside one kind of makes it a free for all
It’s fine since Hamas is also shooting Palestinian hospitals
The war crime is using hospitals for military infrastructure according to the ICRC.
Th Al-Shifa stash has finally been revealed! The horrifying armaments unearthed. God only knows what atrocities would have been carried out, where it not for the proud men and women of the IDF.
THIS. IS. WHY. WE. BOMB. HOSPITALS.
>These weapons in the hospital don't count because... they just don't ok!?
Why are you such a dishonest nagger?
you don't understand colonizer, those are medical supplies for innocent premature babies to defend themselves from the IDF, nothing to see here
Please stop calling Russians pigs. Are nice animals who never hurt anyone and will always be your friend. Also, unlike Russians, pigs will be clean if given a clean environment to live in.
fair, we should call them orcs, since they're equally perfidious, dishonest and stupid
>Uncle Sam checks the couch cushions
>dusts off some munitions and equipment that is a fraction of Ukrainian aid and sends it to an ally
>/misc/ and Puccia shills come out whining in force
really makes ya' think
even a single bullet threatens all of Israel