This is the proper way to shoot a modern handgun

Support hand index finger clamped firmly over the front of the trigger guard to negate any influence the trigger finger has over the orientation of the weapon during the trigger pull, thus significantly increasing accuracy, and also controlling muzzle rise.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I used to do that, but I now perfer Massad Ayoob style grip.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pics?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t feel like explaining

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's great but applying pressure to the trigger guard will eliminate lateral errors much better because it will give you much better leverage and make trigger control much easier.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I use to think the same but really do feel like I shoot better with a wedge grip.

            Not to mention I can mount a weapon light.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I use a weapon light too and a keep a cord looped around it so that I can insert my offhand index finger through it and continue to exert pressure directly back against the trigger guard. It is extremely important that I do this because my groups are consistently significantly better when I can exert leverage on the gun this way. I stopped using a light for almost a year until I discovered this technique.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you sound like a gay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So why aren't you shooting better than Ben Stoeger, Rob Leatham, or Jerry Miculek anon? Or better than the hundreds of world class competitive shooters out there who don't use your grip?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe I do. But if I don't it's probably because I strictly use stock pistols and full strength factory ammo. I want my skills to be immediately applicable to the most common weapons in the environment.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No... lol... you absolutely DO NOT. Trust me. I used to think the same dumb shit you did until I got into competition shooting myself. Apparently, there's production divisions where people are basically shooting duty pistols... NOT those big race guns, and most people in those divisions use stock full powered bulk ammo like the average joe shoots at the range or for qualifications at his department or military service quals.

                What you're basically is saying is, "yeah, maybe I can beat the heavyweight MMA champion in the world", if you really truly believed that, you'd do it and become a famous and respected millionaire. Same thing with your idea of PERHAPS shooting better than these pro-shooters who dry fire everyday, and shoot close to a million rounds a year. If you really thought you could be the next best thing in the shooting world, you would be.

                The only way you'll see the error of your ways is if you find out what drills the pro shooters are doing, and what average times they get on those drills. It's all standardized. So you can print out a target. Place it at the stated distance for that particular drill, and with a shot timer, try to beat their times. Then you'll find out how much you really suck.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't care about competitions because I don't shoot the way they do. I shoot as a survival skill. I hunt with pistols exclusively and done things such as developing a technique for using my walking stick as a field stabilization aid which eliminates vertical stringing and allows me to keep shots on a playing card at 40 yards. Do you think they'll allow me to do that at a competition? How about shooting from my knee with my back against a tree? Are they allowed to shoot with packs on in these competitions? I always shoot with a pack on because I only train in the woods where I have to carry all my gear on foot and wouldn't want any inconsistency in my form in a competition. How do they simulate following an erratically moving target through tree cover? What's their earpro technique? Do they dangle plugs from the ear or tuck them behind the ear for the quickest access? What's the world record time for earplug insertion? Whose the current champion in the downhill division? Uphill? How about shooting at night? Am I allowed to ratchet strap the weapon to a plank to make an improvised carbine?

                I don't care about competitions. If you don't shoot in the woods and kill things then you don't know anything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The two aren't mutually exclusive, imbecile. Using pistols as a practical outdoor tool, which is something I am fond off myself since I handgun hunt... does not precisely translate as well to how someone in a city or suburban environment is more likely to use a pistol. Guess what, 86% of all Americans live in big cities. Now perhaps your feminine brain has made you the main character of the universe, but the majority of humanity has to learn how to draw and put rounds on small vitals as quickly and efficiently as possible and no one does this better than pro shooters.

                And lastly, I can grab a pro shooter and give him a quick rundown on different ways how a pistol can serve them in a rural environment and he will quickly be able to piece it together. However, I cannot grab a fellow hillbilly and with a quick rundown turn him into a professional shooter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he will quickly be able to piece it together.

                What's your earpro technique? This will tell me everything about your experience level with actually engaging uncooperative living targets in a randomized environment.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hurr durr, if you don't do it MY specific way, despite me being a completely nobody, the keyboard warrior anon who thinks he's rambo and shoots better than pro shooters, you aint shit hehehehe

                I'll humor you anyways. I don't carry ear pro around with me on a daily basis when I am in town because I don't want to waste a split second trying to stuff it in my ears if some firewater nig or meth head tries to rob me. Me having to shoot another man in self defense is such a statistically unlikely scenario that I and everyone on this board will probably live our entire lives without having to kill someone. And it's not like popping off a few shots into some degenerates chest will leave me deaf. I'll focus entirely on eliminating the unlikely threat to begin with. Not fumbling pushing up earpro into my ears as my life is in danger.

                If you're talking about the woods as a wilderness gun meant mostly for survival emergency situations or occasionally hunting, what the fuck does it matter? It's not a life and death scenario, pure preference at that point.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do not have any clue how to use a firearm outside of the sterilized artificial environment of a shooting range.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You did not respond to any of his post's points in any way whatsoever

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shooting competitions made massive improvements in my shooting skills in every way so I'm not sure why the hate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Am I allowed to ratchet strap the weapon to a plank to make an improvised carbine?
                Lol, lmao even.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine being able to shoot well enough offhand that you dont need to do any of that shit.
                That's what the pro shooters do.
                And people like Jerry Miculek do it with pissin hot 357 or bigger. Shooting competitions are not all cowboy action shooting with downloaded 38 special.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Eric Grauffel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not going to check but if it's the video I think it is, doesn't he explicitly state that it's for knife fighting distances to more firmly grasp your firearm and make sure it doesn't get ripped out of your hand?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >negate any influence the trigger finger has over the orientation of the weapon during the trigger pull
    You need to get good and stop sucking if this is the case and doing that has nothing to do with your support index finger wrapping round the trigger guard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The way you stop sucking is to train until you learn techniques that work.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The technique that works doesn't involve finger fucking your trigger guard.
        Every USPSA grand master has been doing it wrong all along, but Anon? Anon has it figured out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you're not manipulating the front of the trigger guard you aren't applying any leverage to the weapon that can counteract the influence of the trigger finger during the shot sequence.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you tried pulling the trigger in a way that doesn't influence the shot sequence?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. It is vastly easier to do that when I maintain pressure against the front of the trigger guard. Whatever works, that is what I do.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what are gas pedals
            >can’t use finger wrapped around trigger guard if theres a rail mount device

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you tried reaching out to Nils Jonasson and Max Michel?
            I'm sure they could greatly benefit from your discovery.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Never heard of them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some of the world's best shooters. Like people who actually compete in handgun shooting for a living. The complete opposite of who you are in regards to handgun skills.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't follow competition shooting. I compare my skills to the theoretical mechanical accuracy of the weapon.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not using the stance of a gentleman
    Ruffians, the lot of you.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's l8ke PrepHole is filled with savages. One guy even said he dosen't havw a,tux. Really!

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I specifically don't see a reason for handguns in combat unless it's a last resort or ccw. In this case, the enemy is usually extremely close and you should simply practice point shooting. Should also practice shooting with just your dominant hand. In all other cases, you should probably be using your rifle. The only cases where being a pistol sharpshooter is super important are fringe cases like long distance ccw scenarios like in that Utah church. And "long distance" was like 50 feet.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Okay, then just carry a rifle everywhere. See how well that works out for you. Someone should have taught the FBI this cool trick of yours.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you not even finish the first sentence?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you think 50 feet is long range then you have no experience shooting handguns at all. That's the maximum range that I can guarantee a lethal hit on a squirrel with a stock G19 and I don't consider myself an extraordinary shooter.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You may be ESL, but I was saying with the quotations that 50 feet is *not* long. Many states require you to hit 70% accurate at 15 yards (45 feet) in order to get your ccw license. What I *am* saying, is that ccw scenarios are almost never long distance. If you have the opportunity to escape, and aren't specifically protecting anyone, the court may have you solely on that.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I train to shoot at maximum visibility. I don't care about crime stats.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not him, but I could care less about courts and law. I don't want to live with myself knowing I could have stopped a kid from dying, but didn't because "muh courts", I'm a pretty big guy anyways, I'll just join the AB and spend the rest of my days in prison trying to climb up the ranks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I think rifles are useless. The maximum range in the environment is the same as the maximum range that I can accurately shoot a pistol, and carrying a rifle creates far too much of a physical handicap. Rifles are also not concealable, which automatically makes them useless because you'll invite more trouble than you can possibly deal with by being visibly armed. There is no need for any kind of longarm at all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the scenarios that we are thinking of are wildly different then. If there is a sort of collapse of rule of law, you wouldn't want to be near people you don't trust anyway. So probably not near cities.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. I'll be hiding in the wilderness where it isn't physically possible to see anything past 50 yards and where the terrain is a debris-choked mountainous obstacle course that requires both hands free and a walking stick to navigate even just safely, let alone quietly enough to cross paths with food animals. I'm sure as Hell not carrying any kind of rifle whatsoever. If my gun weighs more than a bow that some caveman would have used then it's not a weapon, it's a joke.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I completely disagree with this assessment, but it's fine if you want to.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Of course. You're either from a completely different environment, or you do all of you training at a range and do not understand the realities of nature.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know, I forgot that american and viets only ever carried pistols in the dense jungles of vietnam. Early on they figured out that rifles were simply not good enough and they tossed them in the rivers. That's why the catfish are so big there today.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't teach a teenager to shoot a handgun in 3 months. Handgun shooting is like archery, it takes hundred of thousands of repitions over years to neurologically adapt your brain to the task. They invented the M1 carbine specifically because of how hard it was to teach recruits to shoot pistols, yet even the lightest, shortest carbine ever produced is still almost 3X heavier than any historical weapon, is not balanced at a suitable carry point, constantly occupies the use of at least one hand, and completely distorts the users body mechanics. Simple maneuvers like crawling and climbing and fluidly using trees for support become complex and dangerous. Stalking animals becomes virtually impossible except in very easy terrain such as out west.

                A handgun becomes part of your body and can kill anything as far away as you'll ever need to kill it. Nothing more is needed east of the Mississippi unless you're some kind of urban SWAT sniper or something.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you never heard of slings my man?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >gets smoked the first time he comes across someone with a rifle
            ngmi. rifles will always be superior to handguns even in close combat

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The problem with that is that I would hear and see him coming first. You can't move gracefully when you're portaging something like that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't really get to choose who you are near unless you are willing to kill absolutely everyone around you. Which will mean your death very quickly into your imaginary shtf. You will be forced to live with and interact within your own community filled with all kinds of characters, no matter how small the community is, and there's no possible way you can trust absolutely everyone in your community unless you're naive and trust people just because they appear to be in your group.

          Do you know why Officers carried pistols originally? To defend themselves from, and/or execute dissenters and mutiny makers. Since soldiers aren't usually walking around with their rifles at ALL times. And a lot of the dissent can happen outside of battle where your soldiers aren't currently armed to the teeth, and carrying a rifle at all times is very impractical. However, a handgun is easy to carry at all times.

          Either way, the disconnect here, is that you're worried about a scenario that the elite will never allow to happen. As much as they make it look like the world is on the verge or anarchy, they will only push hard enough until people get scared and continue to vote their lives away. You're closer to being cattle more than being free in the wilderness without rule of law just popping off shots with people past 100 yards.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you're carrying a rifle you'll just get shot by someone else carrying a rifle.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, and? How is this even a counter argument to my pro-pistol point?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was agreeing with you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, unless you're going to be living in the front lines of a warzone for the rest of your life, most people will be using their handgun for CCW/Self Defense. Also, if you're not good with a pistol and all you're going to be doing is point shooting, you're leaving a lot to luck. Because then nig across from you will also be point shooting.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I practice one hand because chances are I'll be using one hand. Most situations that require precise shots and accuracy is a situation I'm running away from. I'm not looking to get into a gunfight. I'm not looking to be a hero. I'll shove over a kid if it means I get to live.

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