This is the new AW-249 Fenice made by Leonardo for the Italian Army. Say somehting nice about it

This is the new AW-249 Fenice made by Leonardo for the Italian Army. Say somehting nice about it

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope it ends up btfoing some north africans and then crew can r&r with some chocolate ethiopian girls

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Glory and beastiality don't mix, anon.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the difference between this and the 129?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      at least 100 from what I can gather

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How come italians seem to have a great MIC ? i mean you would expect germany to have one ofc but italy...

        KEK

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How come italians seem to have a great MIC
          Close cooperation with US MIC. Boeing has plants in Italy, they assemble the euro F-35's in Italy, USN is buying Italian frigates, etc.

          There's also some big blunders, like the Ariete tank

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not so much a blunder as a lack of attention. In Italy our priorities are the Navy and the Air Force, then comes the Army. After the end of the Cold War there was no interest in the continued devolpment of a tank that wouldn't be used. Orders were cut and devolpment halted

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >In Italy our priorities are the Navy and the Air Force
              Well, that actually makes sense. Still, license produced Leopards would have been probably the better solution if the Army still needed tanks.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is true but having the design authority over our MBT was quite important, also showing that as a country we were able to produce an mbt comparable to the other first world countries while specified for our needs. If the cold war had continued the numbers would have been much higher and the Ariete would have been further developed

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, very sad that after 1991 everybody in western Europa was like "hey, the Ruskis are now our friends, don't need to continue developing new weapons."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That wwas very shortsighted of us. Honestly I think we are starting to wake up and we will see much more investment in defense in the coming years

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Definitely. Even Austria has tripled the defense budget and are actually buying useful new stuff (like Leonardo helicopters).
                If only Germany would get their asses up - they were a pretty powerful force back in cold war days.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no, Ariete was a shitshow from the start
              there’s no excuse for that

              in Afghanistan the French and the Germans usually relied on the italian Mangusta because the Eurocopters performance was shit

              I’m gonna need a source for such a bold claim

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We have quite a complete MIC with Leonardo and Fincantieri being national champions and quite a large base of SMEs which support the supply chain. Granted we don't make everything but honestly we can't complain

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Germany
          Lol, if anything they have a dogshit MIC building boomer shit like ground vehicles and blackpowder weapons. Aryan nations build planes and missiles

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Germans are Aryans.
            Inb4 "what about the sandBlack folk". Kill them, stop electing leftists to office, etc.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Italians are good at making guns, fast cars and food. Thats about it tho.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't forget defrauding the EU

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In which way?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Luxembourg, a wealthy nation with less people in it than most major cities, is more of a drain on the EU than Bulgaria, Cyprus and Malta combined
                >Poland is almost as big of one as the next 3 combined

                What the actual frick's going on there?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Per capita bullshit statistics. Belgium an Luxembourg get tons of guns since they're massive NGO hubs as well which skews things.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What the actual frick's going on there?
                The population is half mudskin, apparently. HALF. And all those hungry mouths and wallets need food and money. It was the prototype for how you can ethnically cleanse a small tidy efficient European country and bring it into accord with globohomosexual standards.

                Holland is next, by all accounts. It's right next door.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nice nazi lies

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a clown union.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Italy is the largest manufacturing nation in the Mare Nostrum, they make everything.
            If a house is being built in Med, it has "Made in Italy" on most of it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          MIC is a synonym for corruption you ESL.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They don't.
          Their helicopters suck. The Mangusta was a nightmare that needed the Israelis to unfrick. Everything good about Leonardo's helicopter division came from Westland UK.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what the frick are you talking about
            the only Israeli thing on the A129 is the TOPLITE and that’s just because they moved from TOWs to Spikes
            as for Leonardo UK, iirc they only make Wildcats, Merlins and some parts of the AW149 (tail rotor, actuator and maybe transmission) at Yeovil

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Italy was the biggest industrial power in Europe until lack of protectionism made China's industry boom at the expense of Europe's

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Italy was the biggest industrial power in Europe until lack of protectionism made China's industry boom
            you have got to be joking
            Italy has always been behind fricking France let alone Germany

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >GDP = Industry
              Moron

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You literally showed you don't know what you are talking baout

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Italy was the biggest industrial power in Europe
            second biggest at best, it was always mogged by Germany
            and most of this industry (by which you mean "manufacturing") is in luxury cars, ships, food and apparel. which is nice, but doesn't translate well to military industry. we have no need for handcrafted Alfa Romeo tanks and gourmet D.O.P. rations, for example.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              iirc one of the biggest industrial sectors in italy is pharmaceutics and heavy equipment

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have you even seen what Italy exports? It has the second largest manufacturing base in europe and easily mogs a lot of countries

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >italy's second export by volume is oil and derivates
                fricking what

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They have quite a few energy companies based out of Italy, but with production in africa, north sea etc

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we have no need for handcrafted Alfa Romeo tanks and gourmet D.O.P. rations, for example.

              Well maybe YOU don't

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It put on some weight

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's in a different class now for sure, probably not the same of the Apache but most armed forces don't need the Apache

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't stand the wienerpit on this thing. it looks so wrong.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know what you mean, the Mangusta looked better

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          looks like a bull terrier

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Italians don't make the A-129 anymore, anyone who wants one needs to play from Turkey.

      Even then the A-129 is like a Cobra while this one is their own spaghetti Apache.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's gonna be better than the Eurocopter Tiger (which isn't hard)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      in Afghanistan the French and the Germans usually relied on the italian Mangusta because the Eurocopters performance was shit

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pods and a cannon
    attack helicopters should just switch to being mobile drone platforms
    carry loitering recon drones with light warheads and tv missiles instead of all the standard shit, with weapons occifer as the drone operator; add a directional jammer/energy weapon instead of a autocan to fend off enemy drones or do some light EW
    can max range explode shit/scout without getting into visual range, can extend range further by flying a bit higher, cant get counter fired for using EW/controlling drones cause its a heli

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Italian men frick everything. I'm not even joking

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Anon…these are Italians that we are talking about, put a particularly curvy piece of wood in front of them and they would probably be able to get it pregnant.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Africans women and African-American gorillas aren't the same thing.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leonardo and Airbus make the best helicopters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks effeminate, unreliable, and weak.

      Yeah, its a eurocopter.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Airbus has 42% of the market and Leonardo has 20% of the market and the closest foreign helicopter manufacturer is Bell with 12%..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the french make everything (cars, planes, tanks, helis, whatever) using curves, bubbles, etc
      >italy makes everything using straight lines
      I don't get it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        French have weird designs for everything.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Artistic minded people(gay) and artistic minded people(straight)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cybertruck is what happens if you take this guy too serious

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Im still surprised Germany didn’t take this over the H145M

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like cobra with birth defect.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i hate moors

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hijacking the thread.

    What the frick is the point of the NH-90 which appears to be hot garbage, when the H225M exists?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany + France decided to do a thing and then Germany told everyone else in class they must do a thing too except France didn't really care and did it's own thing while helping Germany do its homework on the side. It's still tutoring everyone else for cash but can't be bothered much anymore since its doing its own thing now so everyone is pissed at Germany for forcing them to sit in class with broken iPads.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So basically a joint program for the sake of it?

        I mean I could understand that if it worked to some extent (Typhoon, F-35, F-16 etc).

        But the NH-90 has been crazy, Australia is literally getting rid of theres - and whilst there could be some AUKUS frickery going on behind the scenes it's literally insane.

        Why not just update the H225M and then allow Germany and any country willing to purchase more than 48 the rights to produce it (either subsystems or complete end-to-end)?

        It's a proven system. Hell maybe they could even "scale-up" the design and finally get a domestic heavy-lift helicopter.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But the NH-90 has been crazy, Australia is literally getting rid of theres - and whilst there could be some AUKUS frickery going on behind the scenes it's literally insane.
          They can't get french parts because they insisted on half ass building them which pissed their only parts supplier off since they also refused to participate in a French led maintenance plan regardless of what the individual helicopters needed.

          >Why not just update the H225M and then allow Germany and any country willing to purchase more than 48 the rights to produce it (either subsystems or complete end-to-end)?
          Because that's not how French businesses operate and despite the memes no one outside of Italy or the UK is willing to roll their own so the rules France makes are what matters. People huff and puff about the German component of Airbus and NHI but in reality it's very different and everyone knows it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            German component of Airbus is Defense and it is the consistently the worst Airbus division.
            France should lead every part of Airbus given how much success their departments have.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Surely France would kneel to compromise on sharing the H225M platform than have to help Germany with their homework?

            European aerospace industry really, really, really wanted to build a helicopter with fly by wire and a fully composite airframe and convinced governments it was the future of helicopters
            Meanwhile the 225/725/225M is great because it's just a Super Puma from the 1970s updated to a modern standard with composite rotors, FADEC and a digital wienerpit, all of which was well proven technology on helicopters by the time it was built in the 2000s

            Can't they just add FBW to H225M and add composites? I mean the chinks added FBW and composites to the Frelon airframe, surely France could do this to something they actually developed?

            Not arguing btw, genuinely interested.

            to be fair, Australia’s antics with the NH-90 are almost entirely fault of the aussies ‘s typical military requirements and procurement moronation

            Yeah fair enough. Just seems wild that they started the NH90 program as a joint program, but either Aussies were too dumb to set up their own decent supply chain or the other's couldn't be fricked.

            From what I've heard Sweden is doing okay with it's own despite the crazy low temps and high sortie rates.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > From what I've heard Sweden is doing okay with it's own despite the crazy low temps and high sortie rates.
              so is italy from what I hear
              word has it the main issue in general is with spotty spare parts replenishment

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Can't they just add FBW to H225M and add composites?
              Adding composites to older airframes isn't easy because they have entirely different structural properties. Usually it's only done minimally by replacing skin panels and control surfaces. You're pretty much looking at a total redesign to incorporate major composite structures.

              An example of adding more composites would be the Westland WG-13 Lynx compared to the Leonardo AW159 Wildcat which has a new composite tail and nose but the main fuselage structure is largely the same. The new composite parts are radically different.

              Adding FBW to H225 instead of a new helicopter simply wasn't politically viable. Development of helicopter FBW is a major industrial undertaking that was done with international cooperation between the NH90 partners and shared technology so needed to be a project that would have international workshare to keep everybody happy. Sticking it on an airframe solely built by France would be a no-go, unless the French government was willing to fund the entire development of the FBW system and make it their exclusive technology.

              There are only 2 production helicopter types certified with FBW: NH90 and Sikorsky S-92. The third, Bell 525 is currently undergoing certification.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >From what I've heard Sweden is doing okay with it's own despite the crazy low temps and high sortie rates.
              You're thinking of Finland, not Sweden. Finland has one of the international maintenance hubs for NH90, so has ready access to spares.
              Sweden has suffered low availability and intends to replace NH90 with Blackhawk/Sea Hawks the same as Norway.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IIRC Finland still suffered for like a decade with the NH90 being an unreliable hunk of shit, it wasn't until fairly recently that they were finally happy with their fleet availability and performance.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          to be fair, Australia’s antics with the NH-90 are almost entirely fault of the aussies ‘s typical military requirements and procurement moronation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      European aerospace industry really, really, really wanted to build a helicopter with fly by wire and a fully composite airframe and convinced governments it was the future of helicopters
      Meanwhile the 225/725/225M is great because it's just a Super Puma from the 1970s updated to a modern standard with composite rotors, FADEC and a digital wienerpit, all of which was well proven technology on helicopters by the time it was built in the 2000s

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So basically a joint program for the sake of it?

      I mean I could understand that if it worked to some extent (Typhoon, F-35, F-16 etc).

      But the NH-90 has been crazy, Australia is literally getting rid of theres - and whilst there could be some AUKUS frickery going on behind the scenes it's literally insane.

      Why not just update the H225M and then allow Germany and any country willing to purchase more than 48 the rights to produce it (either subsystems or complete end-to-end)?

      It's a proven system. Hell maybe they could even "scale-up" the design and finally get a domestic heavy-lift helicopter.

      the H225M upgrades is what happened when the new airframe, NH90, turned out to be a lemon
      or in US terms, the V-22 being fricked up is what makes the UH-60 keep truckin on to this day

      >But the NH-90 has been crazy, Australia is literally getting rid of theres - and whilst there could be some AUKUS frickery going on behind the scenes it's literally insane.
      They can't get french parts because they insisted on half ass building them which pissed their only parts supplier off since they also refused to participate in a French led maintenance plan regardless of what the individual helicopters needed.

      >Why not just update the H225M and then allow Germany and any country willing to purchase more than 48 the rights to produce it (either subsystems or complete end-to-end)?
      Because that's not how French businesses operate and despite the memes no one outside of Italy or the UK is willing to roll their own so the rules France makes are what matters. People huff and puff about the German component of Airbus and NHI but in reality it's very different and everyone knows it.

      >Because that's not how French businesses operate
      yes, they will put themselves first and frick everyone else in the ass
      >People huff and puff about the German component
      everyone who's anyone knows the Germs are being led by the French through the nose

      to be fair, Australia’s antics with the NH-90 are almost entirely fault of the aussies ‘s typical military requirements and procurement moronation

      that's no excuse for NH90 users not being able to get parts
      fact is that the French cornered the parts for themselves and let everyone eat shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both are utter trash and get brutally mogged by the Merlin.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Merlin
        >aka the Agusta Westland 101
        yep
        Westland was the best part of Leonardo

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What an insecure freak. Both are good firms. Leonardo make fantastic helicopters you would know if you had ever been in one.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    big nuts

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like a very nice platform for launching unguided rockets, if that's a thing that's important to you for some reason. Also it seems to have some sort of revolving cannon with a firing arc of more than +/- 5 degrees, making it a better aerial gunnery platform than the Ka-52 and its frickmoronic gun mount.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      +20°/-50° elevation, +/-100° traverse

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are actually thinking of a concept a la GCAP as in a system of systems with drones as loyal wingman. If they pull it off it will be actually an interesting concept

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spaghetti Apache

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