>a prototype with visible test packages that has never been manufactured at scale is "the best tank in the world"
Couldn't you have at least picked one that's actually been fielded? The type you posted exists at a single example in a warehouse somewhere, and isn't even a complete vehicle. The "armor" on the turret cheeks are just weight simulators
>I am legitimately impressed with how fricking miserable Israel's manufacturing capability is compared to its PR
It's a small country, they are literally becoming friends with morocco so that the Moroccans will use their manpower to build their drones (among other benefits)
how so? there's like 230 in service right now which is probably enough for the golani and givati brigades, i think since 2019 even carmeli use em.
name one other country fielding those numbers of APCs with this level of protection
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's super cool anon. Let me know when you aren't using the m113 in combat roles. Like your own people have said will probably be the case until the 2050s at current production rates of the Namer.
Its not so much as the piss poor manufacturing capability, as much as its funding, Mk4s and Namers are expensive af, and the majority of the IDF budget for the forseeable future is being dumped in to the IAF, buying new heavy lift choppers, tankers and possibly new F-15AIs
dude who said he doesn't know much about tanks here. I think the people who designed the merkava knew what they were doiing. Israel has always been good at tank warfare (or the Arabs that bad). I think the israelites who designed it made it well fitted for their environment. or at least i think they know better than some dudes on anonymous chat forums
the T-62s were going against Sho't Kal, slightly modiefied centurion tanks. i don't think modern israel has been in a tank battle and they probabbly won't be soon
2 years ago
Anonymous
merk 1 defeated t72
but yes no current tank in service fought another tank because the oldest shit is probably merkava 3s from the late 90s upgraded to the baz standard and even some of the reserves drive merkava 4s now.
i think israeli tirans almost faced t72 in lebanon but that ended up not happening
2 years ago
Anonymous
last combat use of the israeli sherman was in yom kippur, so T-62s
first use of T-72s was in 1982, by which point M50s and M51s were long gone even from reserve units, and merkavas were already being rolled out
there are no confirmed T-72 v merkava engagements, its still argued whether it was TOWs or the merks who did it
though with 120mm APFSDS, relatively thick armor, and thermal sights
theres no reason to believe the merk isnt capable of facing or defeating T-72s
Egypt currently owns 1300 Abrams and that's second only to the US, yet they're opting for more than a thousand K2 to be license produced. So are Morocco and KSA, who already own 222 and 373 Abrams respectively.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t think they have sepv3 which is superior to the k2. I know Saudi Arabia built their own M1s so they’re after the job program as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
MBS is extremely upset about the current US leadership so he's currently planning on breaking all dependency on the US. His first step is building an army with 100% america-free weapon systems, such as adopting the J-35 as its future fighter jet and funding the Ukrainian ballistic missile projects.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>His first step is building an army with 100% america-free weapon systems
kek. That’s a good way to become completely militarily irrelevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine not being allowed to buy the f35
2 years ago
Anonymous
He certainly can as long as the current energy crisis continues.
Imagine not being allowed to buy the f35
KSA wasn't allowed access to it anyways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can’t build a competent military without US gear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They don't even need a competent army as long as it is enough to defend its own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>w…we don’t even need the best gear!
2 years ago
Anonymous
US hardly is the forerunner in arms industry anymore, China and Korea will replace its place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek I’m loving the delusion of SK shill
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales
2 years ago
Anonymous
holy shit. You don’t realize how much military gear the US exports until you see it broken down like this
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, ask the MIC why it is decades behind in Hypersonic to China.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But all of the relevant military tech I linked to that’s being sold by the US. Hypercopeing won’t change that
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly how losing to your peer is coping when its not the other way round?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hypersonics aren’t really relevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You should have out the is after the word how. Your ESL is glaring
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's even worse, where did you learn this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Please explain how the hypersonic meme missiles will do anything? And has China acrually demonstrated any real tests of it hitting a target?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Please explain how the hypersonic meme missiles will do anything?
You can't stop it at the moment. >And has China acrually demonstrated any real tests of it hitting a target?
US gov officials have already admitted to their hypersonic program is getting behind China's.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can't stop a regular ballistic in its terminal phase either.
The increased difficulty in interception is marginal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can anyone but the US stop any missile?
Also the US has loads of nuclear tipped hypersonic missiles that can't be stopped.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Saudi Arabia intercepted Iranian built ballistic missiles with THAAD
2 years ago
Anonymous
Chinese hypersonics were done in the 1950s at White Sands. They're boost-glide ballistics. The USA and friends are absolutely capable of producing those, but they're pretty pointless compared to regular ballistics.
The hypersonics the Yanks are trying to build are scramjets that travel in the lower atmosphere.
China has not leapfrogged anybody in terms of missile tech.
Norway hasn’t made a decision.
https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/2022/05/south-korea-continues-to-push-k2-mbt-for-norwegian-tank-requirement/?amp
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, they're totally not going to kick the krauts out of the competition who had been failing to provide proper maintenances and spare parts for the Leopard 2 for decades.
2 years ago
Anonymous
LMAO it’s sad that you have to include situations like this as numbers of k2 exports. LMAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you even living? Get back to /r/kaiserreich.
Exactly, right before it stepped in, Egypt was license producing T-90A. It's currently the only option out there without being riddled with political shitshows like all German made weapons
2 years ago
Anonymous
T90s are such sexy machines, the T90M are my favourites.
Too bad they have to be wasted by subhuman Russians.
Can someone explain the differences between the basic M1A2 Abrams and the SEPv1,2,3 variants? I heard that the v3 replaced the wiring with fiber optics to save weight for APS and shit.
Is the SEPv3 the M1A3 or is the A3 still not out in production?
When looking at the k2 wiki page it lists Korea as the only operator and Poland as a future operator. It lists Egypt and Norway as potential operators. Why is this the case? People on this board have told me k2 has way more sales than that
Actually, Egypt may no longer be the priority in its sales in Africa. Morocco is already in talks with Rotem, the manufacturer of K2, to discuss a license production of it and there's a high chance of getting ahead of the Egypt deal.
It shouldn't be, you moron. I suspect the asiatics are just trying to stir up as much interest as possible and 90% of the contracts are vaporware, as these things normally go
>90% of the contracts are vaporware
Care to suggest any proof on that?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Muh proofs
It has exactly as much proof as the "rumors". It's just how these things usually go, my proof is simply wait a few months. Will be extremely surprised if anyone besides Poland goes through with any orders
Inviting the delusional worst Korean shills I will link a thread showcasing recent foreign military sales. The thread heavily favors US sales with press releases to back it up
Despite what /k/ thinks or believe, Western is not always superior to Slavshit equivalents.
For example, when it comes to main battle tanks, at the moment Australian M1A1 and Sing/Indon Leopard are the bottom of the barrel in the Southeast Asia region. Malaysian PT-91M Pendekar, Viet T-90S, and Thai Oplot/VT-4 are superior to monkey model Abrams without DU armor (same as what Arab c**ts like the Saudis, Egypt and Iraq use which have been lost in great numbers) Leopard 2A4 with body kit.
The Malaysian version of PT-91 are more different than Polish one and have included some pretty extensive upgrade possibly makes it among the most capable T-72 variant available. Instead on using a standard one, they following the Malaysian design by mix and match various East and West equipment like M2HB HMG, Germany tank tracks, Malaysian spectral camouflage system and Polish ERAWA ERA.
>French SAGEM gyroscoptic SAVAN-15 Fire Control System, similar to that used on the Leclerc >EADS 3-axis gun stabilizer coupled with the ability to shoot GL-ATGM >Belgian FN Mag + M2 HMG >SS1C "Obra" laser warning receiver >PM Dezamet 84mm Grenade Launcher >Slovakian 2A46MS gun, 20% better accuracy than basic 2A46 >Malaysian thermal camouflage optronic system
and last but not least,Malaysia army has integrated network-centric operation via MEASAT 3B communication satellite that have 4x X-band transponder for military usage , so PT-91M have higher situational awareness than Australian M1A1.
For about half the price of an Abrams those modernized PT-91M is good to at least stand toe to toe with M1A2 SEPv3/Leopard 2A7
M1s sold to Iraq were easily penetrated by RPG rounds and because it does not have ERA like PT91, it was an easier kill compared to Russian type tanks.
At the moment the PT-91M is the most advanced T-72 variant in service. As I pointed out earlier, the PT-91M operated by a well trained crew, exploiting the terrain, with the right ammo, is more than capable of taking out a heavier, more protected western MBT.
The PT91M tank is indeed based on the T72 Tank...... but only on the body....... while all other important parts such as engines, transmissions, gunnery, weapon system technology, turret and ammunition, chains, thermal sighting technology, communication systems, fire systems, tank defense systems, electronic systems and devices, scouting systems, hydraulic systems, battlefield systems management, tank maintenance systems, fire control systems, gun stabilizer systems, optronic systems and others are the most sophisticated and up-to-date ones used by modern tank equivalent to leclerc, leopard, T-90MS.....
other details of the data I can't mention here it's a secret in the ATM itself...... a lot of adjustments have been made to the PT91M tank........ This PT91M tank is far more specific than Poland's own PT91 Twardy..........only the body is the same... ……the other systems are on par with Leopard 2A6 belongs to Germany and T-90MS belongs to Russia...... that's why the price is very expensive....
One x PT91M can easily destroy 4 x Leopard 2A4 tanks belonging to neighboring Indonesia.... ......the only missing technology is the GPS shell guided system technology which failed to be obtained from Russia due to pressure from the US.......if the PT91M is successfully paired with the system........ PT91M can be fired reaching up to a distance of 21km....... this ability is only owned by the Russian T-14 Armata tank for now....but what is currently available is already able to reach fire support of up to 12km...... not all modern tanks can reach this stage in this distance......and the 125mm gun on the PT91M tank can launch missiles for low-level air defense....... while the US modern Leopard 2A5 and Abram M1A3 don't have this ability..
This PT91M's firing ability is 9 rounds per minute......faster than the Leopard 2.......and the armor penetration stage is the best and the latest equivalent to those used by Russia today...... instead of the type of shell that was produced by Iraq during Saddam Hussein's time, during the Desert Storm operation, ....the penetrating power of this new shell is equivalent to Russia's ATGM ....
Poland itself can't afford to upgrade their PT-91 Twardy to the PT-91M owned by Malaysia because the cost is very expensive...... ..not because the Leopard 2A5 tank made in Germany is better ..... one PT-91M tank costs more than USD9 million......at this price Malaysia can buy more than 600 x pieces of second hand Leopard 2A4 made in Germany...
it should be known that Malaysia has been offered it by many countries that have this Leopard 2A4 tank....but all of them have been rejected by Malaysia because they are not in accordance with the climate in Malaysia.........many tanks have been tested by Malaysia before that.......US Abram M1A1 tank has not reached 2000km already broken track.... ..the Leopard 2A5 tank is good but it doesn't have an autoloader and weighs more than 65 tons so it doesn't suit the jungle climate in Malaysia and is often immersed in mud which is only suitable for urban warfare....
2 years ago
Anonymous
Keep in mind that the acquisition of this Malaysian MBT has taken a period of more than 10 years. very long.......because of the various stages and tests....and more than 10 models and builds of tanks have been successfully tested during that period....so there comes a time when the test is also carried out in one of the a country in the Middle East also to ensure the specifications can also work even though this PT-91M tank has never experienced in actual combat..... but ATM believes it because the PT-91M has gone through so many tests of its climatic suitability in various real weather fields........ then definitely not inferior to Leopard 2A4 RI.........because the US threatened to buy T-90S from Russia........then PT-91 Twardy from Poland was finally forced to be chosen by Malaysia ........but Malaysia has set a condition so that all the capabilities of the PT-91 Twardy tank are raised to the level of or more than the Russian T-90S tank.....Russia itself after completing its test in Malaysia has upgraded their PT-90S tank to T-90M as a result of the experience of passing the test in the jungles of Malaysia........ PT-91M also has a system equivalent to Shtora 2 installed belongs to Russia........it's just that the design is not the same because I'm afraid it will be pressured by the US........but all systems work and the electronics are the same as the Russian Shtora 2........only on the outside the right and left sides of the tank on the turret look smaller than the ones installed on the Russian T-90MS tank...... ..deliberately so as not to appear that it belongs to Russia.......Sthora 2 system like this does not exist on the Polish PT-91 Twardy....... This Shtora 2 system has been installed by Malaysia later.... ......but that doesn't mean the ability is less than the Russian Shtora 2
But it's also one of the ugliest tanks and also knowing some poor soul is loading canon by hand like it's some medieval pirate ship further ruins the feels.
Because they're almost never used in combat. When they are they pop like every other tank.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>same_old_picture_of_airstriked_Leo2.jpg
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those are supposedly yugo M79 Osa kills which is really old at this point tho quite a big boy.
M79 was pooping SAA tanks with reactive armor from the front so who knows. >same_old_picture
It's old since western made tanks are not used anywhere so it's hard to make new pics
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unpopular opinion but ISIS was top tier force, if they got fraction of equipment that Kyiv got they would be in Vladivostok by now.
Too bad they're bunch of crazies.
>Still the old shorter 120mm and no smart ammo.
it has programmable HEAT-MP already
and the penetration on its most recent ammo is still classified but is estimated to be able to defeat another MBT frontally at standard combat ranges
in any case, it has both gunner and commander thermal sights which is the standard today
>a prototype with visible test packages that has never been manufactured at scale is "the best tank in the world"
Couldn't you have at least picked one that's actually been fielded? The type you posted exists at a single example in a warehouse somewhere, and isn't even a complete vehicle. The "armor" on the turret cheeks are just weight simulators
imagine seething this hard. Sepv3 and sepv4 are being fielded
SEPv4 hasn't been fielded yet
No but it’s very close. I posted a sepv3 anyway
That's an M1A2 SEPv3
you stupid bastard, the m1a2 sep v3 has been in service for 2+ years now and finished development in 2016
SEPv4 is two years from entering service
just say "I have no idea what the frick I'm talking about" next time. Its faster.
My country is buying over 200 of those
more than 200.
370. Plus training vehicles.
I am legitimately impressed with how fricking miserable Israel's manufacturing capability is compared to its PR
>I am legitimately impressed with how fricking miserable Israel's manufacturing capability is compared to its PR
It's a small country, they are literally becoming friends with morocco so that the Moroccans will use their manpower to build their drones (among other benefits)
>https://www.unav.edu/web/global-affairs/a-new-era-in-israel-morocco-relations.
>https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2022/08/09/expand-israel-morocco-security-cooperation-to-counter-malign-influence-in-africa/
>Morocco
The current Israeli government really is beyond moronic.
how so? there's like 230 in service right now which is probably enough for the golani and givati brigades, i think since 2019 even carmeli use em.
name one other country fielding those numbers of APCs with this level of protection
that's super cool anon. Let me know when you aren't using the m113 in combat roles. Like your own people have said will probably be the case until the 2050s at current production rates of the Namer.
Its not so much as the piss poor manufacturing capability, as much as its funding, Mk4s and Namers are expensive af, and the majority of the IDF budget for the forseeable future is being dumped in to the IAF, buying new heavy lift choppers, tankers and possibly new F-15AIs
no
I don't know much about tanks but i will say the merkava is one sexy looking tank
yes
the next iteration of it (4 barak) is entering service iin a few months
It’s not a very good tank
dude who said he doesn't know much about tanks here. I think the people who designed the merkava knew what they were doiing. Israel has always been good at tank warfare (or the Arabs that bad). I think the israelites who designed it made it well fitted for their environment. or at least i think they know better than some dudes on anonymous chat forums
Basically this. It’s good against Palestinians. It’s probably the best COIN tank in the world
Has it ever faced anything better than t62?
the T-62s were going against Sho't Kal, slightly modiefied centurion tanks. i don't think modern israel has been in a tank battle and they probabbly won't be soon
merk 1 defeated t72
but yes no current tank in service fought another tank because the oldest shit is probably merkava 3s from the late 90s upgraded to the baz standard and even some of the reserves drive merkava 4s now.
>merk 1 defeated t72
Fricking Shermans defeated T-72s.
i think israeli tirans almost faced t72 in lebanon but that ended up not happening
last combat use of the israeli sherman was in yom kippur, so T-62s
first use of T-72s was in 1982, by which point M50s and M51s were long gone even from reserve units, and merkavas were already being rolled out
there are no confirmed T-72 v merkava engagements, its still argued whether it was TOWs or the merks who did it
though with 120mm APFSDS, relatively thick armor, and thermal sights
theres no reason to believe the merk isnt capable of facing or defeating T-72s
Jesus that thing looks fricking stupid from that angle
>built with US tax dollars
The merkava isn’t that good
No but it looks cool
You need a tank to deal with little kids throwing rocks?
It's the best LOOKING tank, the K2 black PANTHER is the best tank overall
>K2 black PANTHER is the best tank overall
No one thinks this other than SK shill.
Ask Poland, Egypt, Morocco, and Saudi Arabia why they're lining up for the purchase of it in thousands.
>but consider these unimpressive countries that want to government jobs program building tanks!
No
Egypt currently owns 1300 Abrams and that's second only to the US, yet they're opting for more than a thousand K2 to be license produced. So are Morocco and KSA, who already own 222 and 373 Abrams respectively.
I don’t think they have sepv3 which is superior to the k2. I know Saudi Arabia built their own M1s so they’re after the job program as well
MBS is extremely upset about the current US leadership so he's currently planning on breaking all dependency on the US. His first step is building an army with 100% america-free weapon systems, such as adopting the J-35 as its future fighter jet and funding the Ukrainian ballistic missile projects.
>His first step is building an army with 100% america-free weapon systems
kek. That’s a good way to become completely militarily irrelevant.
Imagine not being allowed to buy the f35
He certainly can as long as the current energy crisis continues.
KSA wasn't allowed access to it anyways.
You can’t build a competent military without US gear.
They don't even need a competent army as long as it is enough to defend its own.
>w…we don’t even need the best gear!
US hardly is the forerunner in arms industry anymore, China and Korea will replace its place.
kek I’m loving the delusion of SK shill
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales
holy shit. You don’t realize how much military gear the US exports until you see it broken down like this
Yeah, ask the MIC why it is decades behind in Hypersonic to China.
But all of the relevant military tech I linked to that’s being sold by the US. Hypercopeing won’t change that
Exactly how losing to your peer is coping when its not the other way round?
Hypersonics aren’t really relevant.
You should have out the is after the word how. Your ESL is glaring
That's even worse, where did you learn this?
Please explain how the hypersonic meme missiles will do anything? And has China acrually demonstrated any real tests of it hitting a target?
>Please explain how the hypersonic meme missiles will do anything?
You can't stop it at the moment.
>And has China acrually demonstrated any real tests of it hitting a target?
US gov officials have already admitted to their hypersonic program is getting behind China's.
You can't stop a regular ballistic in its terminal phase either.
The increased difficulty in interception is marginal.
Can anyone but the US stop any missile?
Also the US has loads of nuclear tipped hypersonic missiles that can't be stopped.
Saudi Arabia intercepted Iranian built ballistic missiles with THAAD
Chinese hypersonics were done in the 1950s at White Sands. They're boost-glide ballistics. The USA and friends are absolutely capable of producing those, but they're pretty pointless compared to regular ballistics.
The hypersonics the Yanks are trying to build are scramjets that travel in the lower atmosphere.
China has not leapfrogged anybody in terms of missile tech.
Norway as well
Norway hasn’t made a decision.
https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/2022/05/south-korea-continues-to-push-k2-mbt-for-norwegian-tank-requirement/?amp
Yes, they're totally not going to kick the krauts out of the competition who had been failing to provide proper maintenances and spare parts for the Leopard 2 for decades.
LMAO it’s sad that you have to include situations like this as numbers of k2 exports. LMAO
Why are you even living? Get back to /r/kaiserreich.
>South Korea replaced Russia as the 2nd world tank supplier
Wacky.
That’s crazy to think about. How many k2s have been delivered to foreign customers
Uh anon only 260 k2s have been built.
Altay has nothing but prototypes but it's enough to make Qatar sign for the contract.
Exactly, right before it stepped in, Egypt was license producing T-90A. It's currently the only option out there without being riddled with political shitshows like all German made weapons
T90s are such sexy machines, the T90M are my favourites.
Too bad they have to be wasted by subhuman Russians.
it's better
period
M1a2>k2>merkava
Leclerc XLR is better
The warrior wasn’t very good
Yes because it was produced in the right numbers for war. Other tanks are more items for exhibitions
rolling with namers
>go into battle against namers
>think you escaped safely
>get home and everyone is calling you dingus the hedgehog
how is such a weapon allowed?
Lads. The israelites know what they are doing regarding defending their sandy shithole.
true
RIPPEN
No shit
Water is wet
That would be Altay, thank you for the reminder, anon.
Altay is stolen from new best Korea
Can someone explain the differences between the basic M1A2 Abrams and the SEPv1,2,3 variants? I heard that the v3 replaced the wiring with fiber optics to save weight for APS and shit.
Is the SEPv3 the M1A3 or is the A3 still not out in production?
When looking at the k2 wiki page it lists Korea as the only operator and Poland as a future operator. It lists Egypt and Norway as potential operators. Why is this the case? People on this board have told me k2 has way more sales than that
Sales contracts don't mean a damn thing until they actually deliver
Actually, Egypt may no longer be the priority in its sales in Africa. Morocco is already in talks with Rotem, the manufacturer of K2, to discuss a license production of it and there's a high chance of getting ahead of the Egypt deal.
That’s rumor. Why would we discuss it seriously?
Rumor is a highly debatable subject?
It shouldn't be, you moron. I suspect the asiatics are just trying to stir up as much interest as possible and 90% of the contracts are vaporware, as these things normally go
>90% of the contracts are vaporware
Care to suggest any proof on that?
>Muh proofs
It has exactly as much proof as the "rumors". It's just how these things usually go, my proof is simply wait a few months. Will be extremely surprised if anyone besides Poland goes through with any orders
The Challenger 2 with the kraut 120 is far better than this fuel eating mess
New abrams have a small Diesel engine for idling.
Inviting the delusional worst Korean shills I will link a thread showcasing recent foreign military sales. The thread heavily favors US sales with press releases to back it up
Despite what /k/ thinks or believe, Western is not always superior to Slavshit equivalents.
For example, when it comes to main battle tanks, at the moment Australian M1A1 and Sing/Indon Leopard are the bottom of the barrel in the Southeast Asia region. Malaysian PT-91M Pendekar, Viet T-90S, and Thai Oplot/VT-4 are superior to monkey model Abrams without DU armor (same as what Arab c**ts like the Saudis, Egypt and Iraq use which have been lost in great numbers) Leopard 2A4 with body kit.
The Malaysian version of PT-91 are more different than Polish one and have included some pretty extensive upgrade possibly makes it among the most capable T-72 variant available. Instead on using a standard one, they following the Malaysian design by mix and match various East and West equipment like M2HB HMG, Germany tank tracks, Malaysian spectral camouflage system and Polish ERAWA ERA.
>French SAGEM gyroscoptic SAVAN-15 Fire Control System, similar to that used on the Leclerc
>EADS 3-axis gun stabilizer coupled with the ability to shoot GL-ATGM
>Belgian FN Mag + M2 HMG
>SS1C "Obra" laser warning receiver
>PM Dezamet 84mm Grenade Launcher
>Slovakian 2A46MS gun, 20% better accuracy than basic 2A46
>Malaysian thermal camouflage optronic system
and last but not least,Malaysia army has integrated network-centric operation via MEASAT 3B communication satellite that have 4x X-band transponder for military usage , so PT-91M have higher situational awareness than Australian M1A1.
For about half the price of an Abrams those modernized PT-91M is good to at least stand toe to toe with M1A2 SEPv3/Leopard 2A7
That’s cool. But there’s a reason you compared those tanks with old abrams without DU armor
M1s sold to Iraq were easily penetrated by RPG rounds and because it does not have ERA like PT91, it was an easier kill compared to Russian type tanks.
Again. Your ignoring the sepv3 and talking about tanks without DU armor
stop replying to the obvious troll
At the moment the PT-91M is the most advanced T-72 variant in service. As I pointed out earlier, the PT-91M operated by a well trained crew, exploiting the terrain, with the right ammo, is more than capable of taking out a heavier, more protected western MBT.
>For about half the price of an Abrams those modernized PT-91M is good to at least stand toe to toe with M1A2 SEPv3/Leopard 2A7
This isn’t true
PT-91M is probably one of the most advanced of the T-72/T-90/PT-91 tank family.
1) renk ESM350 transmission + S1000 1000hp engine.
2) SAGEM SIGMA30 Laser gyro INS (can navigate in GPS denied environment)
3) SAGEM SAVAN 15 targeting system
4) SAGEM Vigy 15 commander sight
5) OBRA-3 laser warning system
6) ERAWA-2 explosive reactive armour
7) ZTS-Special 2A46MS upgraded 125mm gun.
8) Diehl Type 570p tracks
9) Lubawa SA multispectral camouflage netting.
10) air conditioning system
None of that is impressive. It’s still a fatally flawed t72
The PT91M tank is indeed based on the T72 Tank...... but only on the body....... while all other important parts such as engines, transmissions, gunnery, weapon system technology, turret and ammunition, chains, thermal sighting technology, communication systems, fire systems, tank defense systems, electronic systems and devices, scouting systems, hydraulic systems, battlefield systems management, tank maintenance systems, fire control systems, gun stabilizer systems, optronic systems and others are the most sophisticated and up-to-date ones used by modern tank equivalent to leclerc, leopard, T-90MS.....
other details of the data I can't mention here it's a secret in the ATM itself...... a lot of adjustments have been made to the PT91M tank........ This PT91M tank is far more specific than Poland's own PT91 Twardy..........only the body is the same... ……the other systems are on par with Leopard 2A6 belongs to Germany and T-90MS belongs to Russia...... that's why the price is very expensive....
One x PT91M can easily destroy 4 x Leopard 2A4 tanks belonging to neighboring Indonesia.... ......the only missing technology is the GPS shell guided system technology which failed to be obtained from Russia due to pressure from the US.......if the PT91M is successfully paired with the system........ PT91M can be fired reaching up to a distance of 21km....... this ability is only owned by the Russian T-14 Armata tank for now....but what is currently available is already able to reach fire support of up to 12km...... not all modern tanks can reach this stage in this distance......and the 125mm gun on the PT91M tank can launch missiles for low-level air defense....... while the US modern Leopard 2A5 and Abram M1A3 don't have this ability..
Autoloader
This PT91M's firing ability is 9 rounds per minute......faster than the Leopard 2.......and the armor penetration stage is the best and the latest equivalent to those used by Russia today...... instead of the type of shell that was produced by Iraq during Saddam Hussein's time, during the Desert Storm operation, ....the penetrating power of this new shell is equivalent to Russia's ATGM ....
Poland itself can't afford to upgrade their PT-91 Twardy to the PT-91M owned by Malaysia because the cost is very expensive...... ..not because the Leopard 2A5 tank made in Germany is better ..... one PT-91M tank costs more than USD9 million......at this price Malaysia can buy more than 600 x pieces of second hand Leopard 2A4 made in Germany...
it should be known that Malaysia has been offered it by many countries that have this Leopard 2A4 tank....but all of them have been rejected by Malaysia because they are not in accordance with the climate in Malaysia.........many tanks have been tested by Malaysia before that.......US Abram M1A1 tank has not reached 2000km already broken track.... ..the Leopard 2A5 tank is good but it doesn't have an autoloader and weighs more than 65 tons so it doesn't suit the jungle climate in Malaysia and is often immersed in mud which is only suitable for urban warfare....
Keep in mind that the acquisition of this Malaysian MBT has taken a period of more than 10 years. very long.......because of the various stages and tests....and more than 10 models and builds of tanks have been successfully tested during that period....so there comes a time when the test is also carried out in one of the a country in the Middle East also to ensure the specifications can also work even though this PT-91M tank has never experienced in actual combat..... but ATM believes it because the PT-91M has gone through so many tests of its climatic suitability in various real weather fields........ then definitely not inferior to Leopard 2A4 RI.........because the US threatened to buy T-90S from Russia........then PT-91 Twardy from Poland was finally forced to be chosen by Malaysia ........but Malaysia has set a condition so that all the capabilities of the PT-91 Twardy tank are raised to the level of or more than the Russian T-90S tank.....Russia itself after completing its test in Malaysia has upgraded their PT-90S tank to T-90M as a result of the experience of passing the test in the jungles of Malaysia........ PT-91M also has a system equivalent to Shtora 2 installed belongs to Russia........it's just that the design is not the same because I'm afraid it will be pressured by the US........but all systems work and the electronics are the same as the Russian Shtora 2........only on the outside the right and left sides of the tank on the turret look smaller than the ones installed on the Russian T-90MS tank...... ..deliberately so as not to appear that it belongs to Russia.......Sthora 2 system like this does not exist on the Polish PT-91 Twardy....... This Shtora 2 system has been installed by Malaysia later.... ......but that doesn't mean the ability is less than the Russian Shtora 2
Lmao just recently a tank of theirs broke down in their highway look it up moron.
oh look its the maylay shill, almost as bad as the SK gay
Abrams is based
But it's also one of the ugliest tanks and also knowing some poor soul is loading canon by hand like it's some medieval pirate ship further ruins the feels.
boy what the frick are you talking about? Every NATO mbt right now is manually loaded the only exception is the Leclercs
>Every NATO mbt right now is manually loaded
That's just sad
well generally NATO tanks don't explode violently when hit
Because they're almost never used in combat. When they are they pop like every other tank.
>same_old_picture_of_airstriked_Leo2.jpg
Those are supposedly yugo M79 Osa kills which is really old at this point tho quite a big boy.
M79 was pooping SAA tanks with reactive armor from the front so who knows.
>same_old_picture
It's old since western made tanks are not used anywhere so it's hard to make new pics
Unpopular opinion but ISIS was top tier force, if they got fraction of equipment that Kyiv got they would be in Vladivostok by now.
Too bad they're bunch of crazies.
>No trophy system
At least get the right model.
Based.
its just a promo from GD. Means nothing. M1A2D is still in final development and looks nothing like that.
>This is the best tank in the world right now
No its not.
>doesnt bother posting an actual opinion, knowing he'll be refuted/proven wrong anyways
lol
It looks like a very alert dog for some reason
It's between Abrams and K2. But Abrams is lagging a bit with offensive capabilities. Still the old shorter 120mm and no smart ammo.
K2 has weak side armor
>Still the old shorter 120mm and no smart ammo.
it has programmable HEAT-MP already
and the penetration on its most recent ammo is still classified but is estimated to be able to defeat another MBT frontally at standard combat ranges
in any case, it has both gunner and commander thermal sights which is the standard today