I told you to NOT be moronic anon. There is no stronger stronghold and there is no way to retreat, that's the fricking point of an encirclement. Accepting their surrender instead of bombing them saves time and shells. (And is also legally required and not accepting surrender would be a war crime.)
They're not surrendering. They're asking for a safe corridor to retreat?
2 years ago
Anonymous
We were debating this point here anon. >1000 ruskie column being marched under guard
It's obvious ukraine won't let them just retreat out of their pocket, that would be moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If there is an option to actually have them surrender and not just retreat, then that's obviously the best course of action.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's no path for retreat where they are, they either surrender or get fricked. That's why they're groveling like the little bawds they are.
Remember the mined humanitarian corridors in Mariupol. Those were civilians, these are terrorists.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>or get fricked
I'm completely fine with this option, its time for them to lie in the bed they've made for themselves over the last 5-6months
2 years ago
Anonymous
Either that or they're taken prisoners, Ukraine can't commit war crimes in plain sight if they want to keep Western support.
>And is also legally required and not accepting surrender would be a war crime
nope, if you cannot handle the prisioners you are not obligued to accept any surrender offered to you and is "legal" to make them figth to the last bullet and man, is not wise due the message you are sending but you can do it.
Now, accepting their surrender and then killing them, now that's Le Hague court material.
>not accepting surrender would be a war crime
what if I dont trust them enough to not blow themselves up when taken in to custody? Id just rather shoot the "surrendering" fricker on spot and not risk the lives of me and my buddies.
More moronation. That's a war crime, will make them never surrender again, will make them put your prisoners to the sword, and will make the rest of the world see you as evil.
About 70% of the posters on PrepHole are genuinely evil and unhinged, sadly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're on PrepHole, moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Uh... excuse me? We're on PrepHole, not PrepHole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>am I fitting in fellow anons?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shh, he thinks he’s normal
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russian troops have been raping and pillaging the country for fricking months, have tortured, raped, and murdered countless civillians since the invasion started, have offered safe passage to refugees and then turned around and shelled them; I understand that to target these Russians now would be an escalation of the war by Ukraine but they certainly deserve to be punished, actually deserve death. If you're going to chuck around moral terms like "evil" you can't really deny this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>have been raping and pillaging the country for fricking months, have tortured, raped, and murdered countless civillians since the invasion started
Source: some British newspaper
2 years ago
Anonymous
source: the russians admitting it themselves, security cameras filming it
they're literally known for this shit, go back to réddit
You mean like the Russians killing that Brit who surrendered to Russian custody a few weeks ago?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's still alive though.
There he is, making his buddies seethe by singing the Russian Anthem on camera.
https://twitter.com/cossackgundi/status/1548081053599801344
He has been sentenced to death, but it will likely be months before the execution is actually carried out.
There will also me multiple chances to appeal the decision, and if he manages to last until DPR is officially incorporated into Russia, Russian moratorium on executions will be in effect.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> until DPR is officially incorporated into Russia
so much for le independence
>More moronation. That's a war crime, will make them never surrender again, will make them put your prisoners to the sword, and will make the rest of the world see you as evil.
Only thing that matters is media control.
How many times has Isr**l bombed Syr*a?
>That's a war crime
Fight fire with fire. Russians have proven themselves to be inhuman, so they all die.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russians have also showed themselves to be cowards, so providing the option of surrender is rational as it massively degrades the enemy's morale compared to a fight to the death mentality.
More moronation. That's a war crime, will make them never surrender again, will make them put your prisoners to the sword, and will make the rest of the world see you as evil.
It would be a war crime if the victims were human.
No.
Ukrainians were promised they will be allowed a safe retreat if they leave their equipment and weapons. This is easily verifiable, just look up any contemporary article in your media of choice, disarmament was the key demand of the Russian side.
Ukrainians agreed, then tried to leave with all their weapons. Again, easily verifiable - they don't even hide it, instead they claim they were promised unconditional safe corridor. Which is obvious load of crap because why the frick would anyone let surrounded enemy just leave.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Funny, I have a reuters news from the day before where putin call for corridor to be opened and let ukrainian servicemen to leave without impediment and avoid pointless victim. Nothing about them being unarmed.
Suite interesting how they let them through their lines until the ukrainian got to the killzone.
Theres no way you can watch at how the battle happened and not call it an ambush.
The contradicting statement were just to cover there track, having some of them being about letting ukrainian leave only if they surrendered their weapons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Funny, I have a reuters news from the day before where putin call for corridor to be opened and let ukrainian servicemen to leave without impediment and avoid pointless victim. Nothing about them being unarmed. >Nothing about them being unarmed.
Why do you lie?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-zakharchenko-idUSKBN0GT0AR20140829 >“We are ready to give a humanitarian corridor,” Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, told Rossiya 24 TV, adding that troops would have to leave their heavy armored vehicles and ammunition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reuters published this info 57 minutes after the start of the evacuation. If you can find an earlier official statement, I will agree. But until then, I can only consider this as an example of them willingly backpedalling to justify the planned ambush.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do you lie again?
This article has been posted in the early morning of August 29th and signified the start of negotiations, while the evacuation itself happened a full day later, in the early morning of August 30th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140831004018/http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/29/acceptance/
Here's the Russian side proposing withdrawal in the early morning of August 29th (posted roughly at the same time as the Reuters article on the same topic), and it's clearly stated among the terms that they must leave the heavy equipment behind.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140901234509/http://www.unian.net/politics/957152-boytsov-ato-kotoryie-ne-sdalis-pod-ilovayskom-obeschayut-vyipustit-iz-okrujeniya-do-10-utra-semenchenko.html
Terms of the deal were being negotiated till the late evening of August 29th. We have this statement by Ukrainian commander made at night of August 30th, where he mentions that negotiations has been concluded and evacuation will finally start now, and will be conducted till 10:00 AM on August 30th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140902000149/http://www.unian.net/politics/957183-iz-okrujeniya-pod-ilovayskom-vyishli-pervyie-28-boytsov-avakov.html
Evacuation started at night August 30th, we have information about the first units who successfully left the encirclement. No mention of Russian attacks.
And only then, 24+ hours after Russians clearly stated that they demand disarmament of the retreating forces, those Ukrainians who tried to evacuate with weapons and equipment in violation of the deal, start coming under fire.
I say you let them surrender and treat them better than they've ever been treated. Show it all on video though. Have them eating some of the finest west food and enjoying some of the best wine. Playing video games, watching movies etc. Try to put it out on the internet as widely available so the rest of the orcs can see it. It will greatly increase the chance they surrender. You don't want a side that fights to the death.
Brain on /misc/.
Counterproductive for Ukraine both internally and externally, besides I want hohols to separate from moskals not only physically but also spiritually and killing POWs and/or breaking truce agreements is very, very russian, like when they shot up a column of withdrawing troops at Ilovaisk in 2014.
Unironically this. Katyn them and deny it just like they do. Hell, make it look like the Serbs did it for the lulz. That’s what they should do IF they didn’t have the support of the west, but they need all the good optics they can get >captcha: AK RPD
How moronic must you be to not realize how much leverage Ukraine would have if they capture 1k surrendered soldiers.
Imagine the amount of captured Ukranian soldiers they would be able to trade them for, Russia might even need to put some Russian babes in the deal, considering the amount of soldiers they supposedly have encircled, kek.
Not only that, we also need to take in consideration the impact a supposed victory like this could make on Russian forces.
>How moronic must you be to not realize how much leverage Ukraine would have if they capture 1k surrendered soldiers.
I also thought about this, then I realized this is Russia we're talking about.
Unnecessary waste of men.
Execute only the political commissars, israelites, and probable rapists and other criminals. That means most of Kadyroov's men get the bullet
[...] >clear plastic in 1940's >hmmm
https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.com/about-plastics/history-of-plastics/my-favorite-highlights-of-the-early-history-of-plastic/ >The first man-made plastic, called Parkesine after its inventor Alexander Parkes, is revealed at the Great International Exhibition in London. Created from part of the cell wall of plants (cellulose), Parkesine was transparent, moldable and retained its shape when cooled. >Parkesine (1862) >1862
>clear plastic in 1940's >hmmm
https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.com/about-plastics/history-of-plastics/my-favorite-highlights-of-the-early-history-of-plastic/ >The first man-made plastic, called Parkesine after its inventor Alexander Parkes, is revealed at the Great International Exhibition in London. Created from part of the cell wall of plants (cellulose), Parkesine was transparent, moldable and retained its shape when cooled. >Parkesine (1862) >1862
No, the French fought some of the hardest and bloodiest battles of WW1 "The war to end all wars". A war that involved such leaps in technology and feats of human mastery over reality, that many people thought they were magic, and that this would be the apocalypse.
And mostly all of these battles happened on French turf. So France got fricked over the most from all of these WW1 battles.
Then WW2 rolled around, they'd just rebuilt their shit, and they were already being absolutely fricked over again, so instead of turning into literally Fallout wasteland after a second bout of this, they formally surrendered, preserved their nation, and let the resistance fighters do the work. Because to not do so was buttfrick moronic. But still most frogs were upset at this.
France actually has a pretty potent Warrior pride, and is fairly patriotic. Even the Italians weren't quite this bad.
But Russians are just like the beginners in an MMA gym. They see a scary technique coming, and tap before it even hits.
Fricking hilarious how this entire thing spiraled out of control. >Defmon makes a daily update and says that some time in the potential future, maybe there could possibly be an encirclement in Vysokopila if the RusBlack folk aren't careful
2 days later... >2000 Rashits BEG for their lives as they are CAULDRONED by battalions of HIMARS, Putin in SHAMBLES
Fervently pro Ukie, but this is 99% a complete nothingburger and fricking embarassing.
>we don't need those thousand troops >they were just shitty soldiers we used for a feint >Russia has 5X the population of Oinkraine >Russia has everything >did you know we have HIV?
I know it would be the optically sound this to do to allow them through, but man after Russia bombed the Odessa grain port I would be ok with napalming the lot as they are marching through the lines reenacting the Iraq Highway of Death.
Theoretically speaking, what could be expect to happen if the Ukrainians completely cut them off and force all 1,000 men to surrender? Would Putin launch brutal reprisals against the families of the prisoners for having dishonored Russia by surrendering?
The mariupol guys are all already dead or tortured bad enough that the russians cant afford to have them speak of thier treatment.
None of them will ever see Ukraine again
Yeah those guys volunteered to stay and knew fully well what was going to happen. The citizens of Mariupol the kacaps butchered, those didn't get to choose at all.
Kek >Mariupol is defended by 14000 troops ruskis will never beat em >There's 7000 ukrainian soldiers heroically defending mariupol >3500 ukrainian soldiers make their last stand in azovstal
Of course not, the russians will just deny that any of those men and the units they were a part of ever existed in the first place >those aren't russian prisoners, they are just actors Ukraine payed to dress up as russians and pretend to be taken prisoner in order to demoralise us!
You know what really fricking confuses me? The Russians b***h, moan and complain about "mercenaries" - fair enough, those shits are complicated and annoying.
But a good chunk of their offensive forces and offensive successes are literally due to Wagner and other Mercenaries????
Don't try too hard to understand Russians, they're not rational.
Russians think the rest of the world is just as bad as them, but that we're just better at covering it up. So they think they're uncovering some western lies showing that we're no better than them or whatever.
I should point out that the Donbabweebs even refer to their own foreign fighters as Volunteers.
You know, before this war began I thought 1984 was Reddit tier nonsense and no population acted like that.
Russians are exactly that shameless
Remember that from thier perspective concepts like "empathy" and "respect for human life" simply don't exist. As far as they can tell, the reason westerners are so obsessed with things like "humanitarian corridors" is because they are weak and stupid, not because they have any kind of reason for doing so.
Therefore, they believe that if they ask nicely, the weak and stupid west will give them a humanitarian corridor too, just like those worthless civillians that got one earlier.
After all, if the westerners are so weak and stupid that they will bow to the wishes of unarmed civillians then how could they possibly refuse a request from the brave and strong soldiers of the Russian Federation?
This is a dumb story that has already been disproven. Stop posting it unless some actual evidence comes in. I hope it does, but I’m convinced it won’t because it didn’t happen
US citizens Luke "Skywalker" Lutsyshyn and Brian Young, Canadian Emile Antoine Roy-Sirois and Swedish citizen Edward Patrignani died.
"The first shell wounded Luke. The three boys, Edward, Emil and Brian, immediately tried to help Luke, provide first aid and evacuate him from the place. Then the second shell killed them all," Miroshnychenko said.
US citizens Luke "Skywalker" Lutsyshyn and Brian Young, Canadian Emile Antoine Roy-Sirois and Swedish citizen Edward Patrignani died.
"The first shell wounded Luke. The three boys, Edward, Emil and Brian, immediately tried to help Luke, provide first aid and evacuate him from the place. Then the second shell killed them all," Miroshnychenko said.
US citizens Luke "Skywalker" Lutsyshyn and Brian Young, Canadian Emile Antoine Roy-Sirois and Swedish citizen Edward Patrignani died.
"The first shell wounded Luke. The three boys, Edward, Emil and Brian, immediately tried to help Luke, provide first aid and evacuate him from the place. Then the second shell killed them all," Miroshnychenko said.
https://i.imgur.com/PjuRJbG.png
https://i.imgur.com/BvAnD2E.jpg
The commander of the 28th OMBr of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vitaliy Gulyaev, died in the Nikolaiv region.
US citizens Luke "Skywalker" Lutsyshyn and Brian Young, Canadian Emile Antoine Roy-Sirois and Swedish citizen Edward Patrignani died.
"The first shell wounded Luke. The three boys, Edward, Emil and Brian, immediately tried to help Luke, provide first aid and evacuate him from the place. Then the second shell killed them all," Miroshnychenko said.
Unfortunately hundreds of thousands have already been taken. And at least those kids aren't in danger of torture and slow death, I mean besides the obvious of being on Russian soil.
Ukraine needs to make the return of ALL its citizens a condition of fricking peace. You cannot end a state of war while hundreds of thousands of your PEOPLE are held fricking hostage.
Announce that to the world. Return the hostages to Ukraine.
Yeah this drives me nuts, there's like 100k+ Ukrainians who just got sent to Russia at the start of the war and no one's heard of them since. I don't think Russians would final solution them but they would definitely deny they have them forever and keep them in the middle of Siberia in a camp.
>no one's heard of them since
Bruh. Go ahead and read any article about Ukrainians who miraculously escaped these horrible Russian gulags.
Pay attention to the actual description of their cunning and valiant escape attempts. It usually goes like this: >go up to a camp official >tell them you want to leave >get asked if you have anywhere to go, say you do >be wished safe travels >leave >travel to a border of any country accepting Ukrainian citizens without visa and go through the usual border crossing process
Congrats, you've escaped the concentration camp. Media tries to spin it as an incredibly rare feat of ingenuity and bravery, but in reality that's all it takes.
If only the israelites at Auschwitz knew the simple trick of just walking out, we wouldn't have to hear about six millions.
Anyone who wants to leave these camps, leaves. At no point of time there is an attempt to stop them with force. We have thousands of Ukrainians who have successfully went through the process above with no issues.
You don't hear about 100k+ Ukrainians because they have nothing to say, nowhere else to go and no reason to refuse their temporary accommodations.
I mean, you have to buy bus and train tickets, and they literally gulag people trying to help them.
You think every poor Ukrainian has 3-4k to get from the far reaches of Siberia back to Europe?
The idea it to make it difficult to leave, not impossible. You WANT the most highly motivated anti Russian potential dissidents to leave anyway
Are you suggesting that Ukrainians would have an easy time finding work in a country whose population has been getting blasted by propaganda painting Ukrainians as pigs and nazis for the past 8 years, in addition to the war it's fighting against Ukraine?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are you suggesting that Ukrainians would have an easy time finding work
Sure. There are 1.75 millions of seasonal workers arriving to Russia from Ukraine every year. If they didn't have an easy time finding work, they wouldn't be traveling to Russia with this goal in mind.
That's not even mentioning 2 millions Ukrainians permanently settled in Russia, it's the third largest ethnicity represented among the Russian population. Russians treat then no differently than other Russians.
>in addition to the war it's fighting against Ukraine?
While the conduct of Ukrainian army and media did a lot to convince Russians that they are monsters in need of military correction, why would it apply to civilians from the Eastern part of the country, especially the ones who fled to Russia?
They are viewed as innocent victims, first suffering the Ukrainian regime, and then the war destroying their homes.
Another thing of note is, the overwhelming majority of refugees were actually settled in the Western part of Russia. "Deportation to Siberian gulags" is a label propaganda just couldn't miss on because it pushes all the right buttons, but it has little to do with reality. Some people indeed were sent to Siberia and the Far East, but that was only done to distribute the load on regional emergency shelters.
Most refugee camps are pretty much within hitchhiking distance of Ukrainian-friendly countries like Georgia or Baltics.
>"just kill them!!"
and then any future encirclement they won't surrender and you'll waste valuable resources trying to finish them off, you absolute buffoon. Keep in mind most of the Russian force are conscripts too, low morale forced soldiers who don't want to be there and will most likely give up at the first opportunity.
This is one of many reasons the Russians will not win this war; people fighting for survival vs people who in the main don't even want to fight.
>Keep in mind most of the Russian force are conscripts too
No they are "contractniks". The conscripts were used in the Northern Front and caused quite an uproar in Puccia because young 18 year old Muscowite and Petersburg boys getting straight up shredded and roasted was not good publicity for "denazification operation". First there was denial, then there was a promise to find the ones responsible for involving conscripts in this shitshow and it all was forgotten like those boys lives.
If Ukraine stopped fighting, the war would be over.
If the people of DNR and LNR stopped fighting, there would be no more Donetsk or Lugansk People's Republic.
One one side you got the people of Donbass are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Ukrainian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
Or Russians could just give Ukraine its fricking land back, then frick off forever. Let Ukraine join the EU, let Ukraine join NATO, get the flying FRICK out of Ukraine's life.
>if Ukraine stopped fighting, the war would be over
Imagine if a Black person like you came to your house and said:
"If you would just let me finish raping your wife, daughter and dog, this nightmare would be over"
>One one side you got the people of Donbass are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Ukrainian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
You already copy pasted this in the other thread...
If Russia stopped fighting, the war would be over.
If the people of Ukraine stopped fighting, there would be no more Ukraine.
One one side you got the people of Ukraine are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Russian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
everything we know about this situation even existing is from ukranian claims, we need visual confirmation or russian acknowledgement before we start celebrating, im holding my horses for this one
>insider
a pro-vatnik source reposting wild claims from twitter? is this just a set-up for another big lie down the road? heroic 1k russians punch trhough 5 million hohols?
>insider >Latvia-based website banned in Russia >established by members of Russian opposition who fled the country due to political prosecution >chief editor is a wanted men in Russia, had to illegally cross the border to avoid prison >staunchly anti-Kremlin on every single topic >pro-vatnik source
Consider the Russians just violated the cease fire they had with the Ukrainians over shipping grain on the black sea, only a few hours after signing it.
The only options are unconditional surrender or kill them all
they should ideologically screen all the prisoners and then disperse them throughout Europe if they want to live a western life. send some to the US. the ones who want to go back to Russia, let em. you'd get waves and waves of conscripts surrendering.
Nobody wants them. Especially when Monke uses "muh oppressed Russian minority UwU" as justification for his naked wars of conquest. And that's not even getting into how most of the Russian troops are subhumans from east of the Urals who consider the vacuum tube to be high-tech are basically unemployable in modern western societies.
I seem to remember that the vats at Kherson were at division strength at least in which case losing 1k guys would be a significant loss but not crippling.
>haha I lied about being encirculed and asking the enemy to let me retreat
What motives do you think he has? Personally I think he is encirculed and did ask for an out only to have the Kremlin tell him to say it was a lie.
It can't be intended to fool Ukraine because they know the situation on the ground as well as him. Saying "you have me surrounded" isn't going to fool anyone, maybe it's to singal that you want to surender?
The difference between /k/ and other boards talking about this war is we think about motives and tactics, I doubt you ever considered what motive he would have to make 2 contradictory statements within 24 hours.
Just like every Russian "encirclement," I wanna see proofs before I start believing "insider informants" on info like this
There is no proof in your eyes, you desperately want to discredit the article without doing anything.
>source: my dad works at nintendo
Another loaf has been pinched off
Big if true but I'll wait until we have pictures of a 1000 ruskie column being marched under guard until I believe it
Rather have pictures of a 1000 Ruskie mass grave.
Don't be moronic. You want your enemy to surrender at first chance, not to fight to the death.
In this case, they'll just retreat to a stronger stronghold. I say bombard their asses so their mothers get many more luxurious cars to buy.
I told you to NOT be moronic anon. There is no stronger stronghold and there is no way to retreat, that's the fricking point of an encirclement. Accepting their surrender instead of bombing them saves time and shells. (And is also legally required and not accepting surrender would be a war crime.)
They're not surrendering. They're asking for a safe corridor to retreat?
We were debating this point here anon.
>1000 ruskie column being marched under guard
It's obvious ukraine won't let them just retreat out of their pocket, that would be moronic.
If there is an option to actually have them surrender and not just retreat, then that's obviously the best course of action.
There's no path for retreat where they are, they either surrender or get fricked. That's why they're groveling like the little bawds they are.
Remember the mined humanitarian corridors in Mariupol. Those were civilians, these are terrorists.
>or get fricked
I'm completely fine with this option, its time for them to lie in the bed they've made for themselves over the last 5-6months
Either that or they're taken prisoners, Ukraine can't commit war crimes in plain sight if they want to keep Western support.
>And is also legally required and not accepting surrender would be a war crime
nope, if you cannot handle the prisioners you are not obligued to accept any surrender offered to you and is "legal" to make them figth to the last bullet and man, is not wise due the message you are sending but you can do it.
Now, accepting their surrender and then killing them, now that's Le Hague court material.
>not accepting surrender would be a war crime
what if I dont trust them enough to not blow themselves up when taken in to custody? Id just rather shoot the "surrendering" fricker on spot and not risk the lives of me and my buddies.
>luxurious cars
>a Lada
>luxurious car
anon...
For Russians, anything that isn't a 1965 Lada is an item of luxury.
luxury is a subjective concept.
The correct play is to let them surrender and then put every last one of them to the sword once they've been disarmed and have no means of resisting.
More moronation. That's a war crime, will make them never surrender again, will make them put your prisoners to the sword, and will make the rest of the world see you as evil.
About 70% of the posters on PrepHole are genuinely evil and unhinged, sadly.
You're on PrepHole, moron.
Uh... excuse me? We're on PrepHole, not PrepHole.
>am I fitting in fellow anons?
Shh, he thinks he’s normal
Russian troops have been raping and pillaging the country for fricking months, have tortured, raped, and murdered countless civillians since the invasion started, have offered safe passage to refugees and then turned around and shelled them; I understand that to target these Russians now would be an escalation of the war by Ukraine but they certainly deserve to be punished, actually deserve death. If you're going to chuck around moral terms like "evil" you can't really deny this.
>have been raping and pillaging the country for fricking months, have tortured, raped, and murdered countless civillians since the invasion started
Source: some British newspaper
source: the russians admitting it themselves, security cameras filming it
they're literally known for this shit, go back to réddit
Russians do that and nobody seems to care. They also kill the elderly, children and women.
And why do you think the Ukis fight so fiercely? Precisely because russians act like fricking orcs
"war crime" motherfricker its called survival on a battlefield. Its so easy to arm chair morality until your getting shot at.
You mean like the Russians killing that Brit who surrendered to Russian custody a few weeks ago?
He's still alive though.
There he is, making his buddies seethe by singing the Russian Anthem on camera.
https://twitter.com/cossackgundi/status/1548081053599801344
He has been sentenced to death, but it will likely be months before the execution is actually carried out.
There will also me multiple chances to appeal the decision, and if he manages to last until DPR is officially incorporated into Russia, Russian moratorium on executions will be in effect.
> until DPR is officially incorporated into Russia
so much for le independence
>More moronation. That's a war crime, will make them never surrender again, will make them put your prisoners to the sword, and will make the rest of the world see you as evil.
Only thing that matters is media control.
How many times has Isr**l bombed Syr*a?
>That's a war crime
Fight fire with fire. Russians have proven themselves to be inhuman, so they all die.
Russians have also showed themselves to be cowards, so providing the option of surrender is rational as it massively degrades the enemy's morale compared to a fight to the death mentality.
Didnt vatniks did that in 2014?
they did and i hope the Ukies remember
It would be a war crime if the victims were human.
>they did
sauce?
No.
Ukrainians were promised they will be allowed a safe retreat if they leave their equipment and weapons. This is easily verifiable, just look up any contemporary article in your media of choice, disarmament was the key demand of the Russian side.
Ukrainians agreed, then tried to leave with all their weapons. Again, easily verifiable - they don't even hide it, instead they claim they were promised unconditional safe corridor. Which is obvious load of crap because why the frick would anyone let surrounded enemy just leave.
Funny, I have a reuters news from the day before where putin call for corridor to be opened and let ukrainian servicemen to leave without impediment and avoid pointless victim. Nothing about them being unarmed.
Suite interesting how they let them through their lines until the ukrainian got to the killzone.
Theres no way you can watch at how the battle happened and not call it an ambush.
The contradicting statement were just to cover there track, having some of them being about letting ukrainian leave only if they surrendered their weapons.
>Funny, I have a reuters news from the day before where putin call for corridor to be opened and let ukrainian servicemen to leave without impediment and avoid pointless victim. Nothing about them being unarmed.
>Nothing about them being unarmed.
Why do you lie?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-zakharchenko-idUSKBN0GT0AR20140829
>“We are ready to give a humanitarian corridor,” Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, told Rossiya 24 TV, adding that troops would have to leave their heavy armored vehicles and ammunition.
Reuters published this info 57 minutes after the start of the evacuation. If you can find an earlier official statement, I will agree. But until then, I can only consider this as an example of them willingly backpedalling to justify the planned ambush.
Why do you lie again?
This article has been posted in the early morning of August 29th and signified the start of negotiations, while the evacuation itself happened a full day later, in the early morning of August 30th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140831004018/http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/29/acceptance/
Here's the Russian side proposing withdrawal in the early morning of August 29th (posted roughly at the same time as the Reuters article on the same topic), and it's clearly stated among the terms that they must leave the heavy equipment behind.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140901234509/http://www.unian.net/politics/957152-boytsov-ato-kotoryie-ne-sdalis-pod-ilovayskom-obeschayut-vyipustit-iz-okrujeniya-do-10-utra-semenchenko.html
Terms of the deal were being negotiated till the late evening of August 29th. We have this statement by Ukrainian commander made at night of August 30th, where he mentions that negotiations has been concluded and evacuation will finally start now, and will be conducted till 10:00 AM on August 30th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140902000149/http://www.unian.net/politics/957183-iz-okrujeniya-pod-ilovayskom-vyishli-pervyie-28-boytsov-avakov.html
Evacuation started at night August 30th, we have information about the first units who successfully left the encirclement. No mention of Russian attacks.
And only then, 24+ hours after Russians clearly stated that they demand disarmament of the retreating forces, those Ukrainians who tried to evacuate with weapons and equipment in violation of the deal, start coming under fire.
Leave them in a room with a bottle of lube and let dedovshchina take its course.
much edgy
very kewl
I say you let them surrender and treat them better than they've ever been treated. Show it all on video though. Have them eating some of the finest west food and enjoying some of the best wine. Playing video games, watching movies etc. Try to put it out on the internet as widely available so the rest of the orcs can see it. It will greatly increase the chance they surrender. You don't want a side that fights to the death.
Brain on /misc/.
Counterproductive for Ukraine both internally and externally, besides I want hohols to separate from moskals not only physically but also spiritually and killing POWs and/or breaking truce agreements is very, very russian, like when they shot up a column of withdrawing troops at Ilovaisk in 2014.
But what does the reddit frog have to do with that?
Unironically this. Katyn them and deny it just like they do. Hell, make it look like the Serbs did it for the lulz. That’s what they should do IF they didn’t have the support of the west, but they need all the good optics they can get
>captcha: AK RPD
absolute fricking moron child
How moronic must you be to not realize how much leverage Ukraine would have if they capture 1k surrendered soldiers.
Imagine the amount of captured Ukranian soldiers they would be able to trade them for, Russia might even need to put some Russian babes in the deal, considering the amount of soldiers they supposedly have encircled, kek.
Not only that, we also need to take in consideration the impact a supposed victory like this could make on Russian forces.
>How moronic must you be to not realize how much leverage Ukraine would have if they capture 1k surrendered soldiers.
I also thought about this, then I realized this is Russia we're talking about.
>random internet poster
>propaganda
this is your brain on /misc/
Кaк в Илoвaйcкoм кoтлe, хa хa, тyпыe хoхлы тoгдa пoвepили в зeлёный кopидop.
Cдoхни pyccкoe yeбищe
Unironically based, look at /k/edditors seething...
Unnecessary waste of men.
Execute only the political commissars, israelites, and probable rapists and other criminals. That means most of Kadyroov's men get the bullet
Bad idea, russian soldiers are rapists, murderers and thieves, but letting them surrender will make future surrenders more likely
It sucks but thats war for you
They need prisoners to trade for all the Ukrainians sent to Siberia
Does that luftwaffe rider in front have some kind of plastic face shield?
Yes, it's a dust shield.
Seems like it, I had no idea they had such stuff. Never seen such a face shield on a german WW2 helmet before.
clear plastic in 1940's
hmmm
maybe its glass?
That's the most likely explication, even if having glass a few cm from your face while riding a bike is pretty scary.
Wuhan virus
>1940's
>plastic
lol fricking morons
bakelite was invented in 1907 numb nuts
not clear bakelite
Okay, PET invented in 1941
>bitches don't know about muh Parkesine
>clear plastic in 1940's
>hmmm
https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.com/about-plastics/history-of-plastics/my-favorite-highlights-of-the-early-history-of-plastic/
>The first man-made plastic, called Parkesine after its inventor Alexander Parkes, is revealed at the Great International Exhibition in London. Created from part of the cell wall of plants (cellulose), Parkesine was transparent, moldable and retained its shape when cooled.
>Parkesine (1862)
>1862
the russians would probably bombard the prisoners
no mercy for the invader
They didn’t even completed the encirclement and Russians want to surrender already
The only people who surrender faster than this are the French...
...I'll see myself out.
That was not funny in the slightest
No, the French fought some of the hardest and bloodiest battles of WW1 "The war to end all wars". A war that involved such leaps in technology and feats of human mastery over reality, that many people thought they were magic, and that this would be the apocalypse.
And mostly all of these battles happened on French turf. So France got fricked over the most from all of these WW1 battles.
Then WW2 rolled around, they'd just rebuilt their shit, and they were already being absolutely fricked over again, so instead of turning into literally Fallout wasteland after a second bout of this, they formally surrendered, preserved their nation, and let the resistance fighters do the work. Because to not do so was buttfrick moronic. But still most frogs were upset at this.
France actually has a pretty potent Warrior pride, and is fairly patriotic. Even the Italians weren't quite this bad.
But Russians are just like the beginners in an MMA gym. They see a scary technique coming, and tap before it even hits.
retreated from snake island as a good will gesture HAHAHAHA
Fricking hilarious how this entire thing spiraled out of control.
>Defmon makes a daily update and says that some time in the potential future, maybe there could possibly be an encirclement in Vysokopila if the RusBlack folk aren't careful
2 days later...
>2000 Rashits BEG for their lives as they are CAULDRONED by battalions of HIMARS, Putin in SHAMBLES
Fervently pro Ukie, but this is 99% a complete nothingburger and fricking embarassing.
>this is fricking embarassing.
i should think you would be used to that by now, hohol
>we don't need those thousand troops
>they were just shitty soldiers we used for a feint
>Russia has 5X the population of Oinkraine
>Russia has everything
>did you know we have HIV?
I know it would be the optically sound this to do to allow them through, but man after Russia bombed the Odessa grain port I would be ok with napalming the lot as they are marching through the lines reenacting the Iraq Highway of Death.
Theoretically speaking, what could be expect to happen if the Ukrainians completely cut them off and force all 1,000 men to surrender? Would Putin launch brutal reprisals against the families of the prisoners for having dishonored Russia by surrendering?
Probably an big prisoner swap. These guys for the azov guys from mariupol
The mariupol guys are all already dead or tortured bad enough that the russians cant afford to have them speak of thier treatment.
None of them will ever see Ukraine again
Yeah those guys volunteered to stay and knew fully well what was going to happen. The citizens of Mariupol the kacaps butchered, those didn't get to choose at all.
Again I will say: very few Azov were in the city.
Kek
>Mariupol is defended by 14000 troops ruskis will never beat em
>There's 7000 ukrainian soldiers heroically defending mariupol
>3500 ukrainian soldiers make their last stand in azovstal
No one ever said the first two tho, nice try
Russians said the first two, because they didn't want to cope with being held back by troops completely surrounded, outnumbered and outgunned.
You seem confused.
Who ever fricking claimed those numbers?
Of course not, the russians will just deny that any of those men and the units they were a part of ever existed in the first place
>those aren't russian prisoners, they are just actors Ukraine payed to dress up as russians and pretend to be taken prisoner in order to demoralise us!
*fart*
>Muh rockets were fired to deplete AA that's why the HIMARs got through
Kek
Even the propagandists suck
Lol
Has /misc/ ever been right? I bet some of them are still holding out for some kind of Red Deer event.
You know, if nothing else, you have to admire the fricking cojones on these c**ts for even asking
>invade a country and go on a genocidal rampage
>get surrounded
>yeah... so... how about you guys let us go? as a gesture of goodwill?
use the russian tactics against them, agree with a green corridor, then bomb them anyway.
You know what really fricking confuses me? The Russians b***h, moan and complain about "mercenaries" - fair enough, those shits are complicated and annoying.
But a good chunk of their offensive forces and offensive successes are literally due to Wagner and other Mercenaries????
Cuz they're the only ones getting payed it seems, the rest don't want to be ukraine
>payed
Paid. This word seems to be incredibly difficult to ESL.
Hypocrisy is a place in Greece for most Russians to go on holidays during winter
Don't try too hard to understand Russians, they're not rational.
Russians think the rest of the world is just as bad as them, but that we're just better at covering it up. So they think they're uncovering some western lies showing that we're no better than them or whatever.
It's not even that. In Russian there is a very apt expression - the thief yells "Stop, thief!" loudest of all.
That's exactly what they do, as national character. Scream about the other guy doing what they do, did or plan to do, so no one looks at them.
See: hitting civilian targets, imperialism, MH17, mercenaries, rape, ethnic hatred, backstabbing & breaking agreements, theft AND SO MUCH MOOOOOOORE.
ENDLESS TRAAAAASH
I should point out that the Donbabweebs even refer to their own foreign fighters as Volunteers.
You know, before this war began I thought 1984 was Reddit tier nonsense and no population acted like that.
Accuse your enemy of what you're doing
But the green corridors were for civilians to escape artillery bombardment. This is just moronic. Even Russians aren't that stupid and shameless.
You've never been to Russia, I take it?
>But the green corridors were for civilians to escape artillery bombardment.
Which the Russians promptly shelled as soon as civvies were in transit.
Russians are exactly that shameless
Remember that from thier perspective concepts like "empathy" and "respect for human life" simply don't exist. As far as they can tell, the reason westerners are so obsessed with things like "humanitarian corridors" is because they are weak and stupid, not because they have any kind of reason for doing so.
Therefore, they believe that if they ask nicely, the weak and stupid west will give them a humanitarian corridor too, just like those worthless civillians that got one earlier.
After all, if the westerners are so weak and stupid that they will bow to the wishes of unarmed civillians then how could they possibly refuse a request from the brave and strong soldiers of the Russian Federation?
There is no encirclement lol
The bullshit in this war is unreal
yes, it's embarassing for you, reposting shit debunked yesterday. keep up.
https://t.me/insiderUKR/37285
This is a dumb story that has already been disproven. Stop posting it unless some actual evidence comes in. I hope it does, but I’m convinced it won’t because it didn’t happen
a true hero
Americum > Getting raped in the ass by Russians /again/
I'll drink all the semen they can sent me as long as it comes inside a fully functional and armed HIMAR platform lol
>Mandick gets unbanned
>Russhill shitposting increases twofold
Shame Russians only have blacked pedo autists on their side really.
have you ever thought about just not drinking semen?
US citizens Luke "Skywalker" Lutsyshyn and Brian Young, Canadian Emile Antoine Roy-Sirois and Swedish citizen Edward Patrignani died.
"The first shell wounded Luke. The three boys, Edward, Emil and Brian, immediately tried to help Luke, provide first aid and evacuate him from the place. Then the second shell killed them all," Miroshnychenko said.
>"war crime" motherfricker its called survival on a battlefield. Its so easy to arm chair morality until your getting shot at.
this is the worst reporting I've ever seen. the clueless american can barely speak
Use them to get back the Ukrainians Russia has stolen from Ukrainian soil. Demand their return.
Russia has a lot of kids stolen from their PARENTS.
they could do this to negotiate the safe return of AZOV actually
Priority should be the kids. Children shouldn't be raised by fricking enemies to hate their own real parents.
Build a maximum security prison for the Russian POWs and keep it well-hidden.
if the priority is winning the war which it is, they're going to want soldiers back before kids
sad but reality
Unfortunately hundreds of thousands have already been taken. And at least those kids aren't in danger of torture and slow death, I mean besides the obvious of being on Russian soil.
Ukraine needs to make the return of ALL its citizens a condition of fricking peace. You cannot end a state of war while hundreds of thousands of your PEOPLE are held fricking hostage.
Announce that to the world. Return the hostages to Ukraine.
even if russia wanted to they likely couldn't, no way they kept track.
Exchanging POWs to civilians gives extremely bad precedence when it comes to dealing with russians.
Basically, if Russia doesn't hand over those captive children, then NO Russian POWS ever leave Ukrainian prison.
Simple terms, simple deal. Hand over Ukraine's stolen children, or all Russian POWS rot in prison hell forever.
Yeah this drives me nuts, there's like 100k+ Ukrainians who just got sent to Russia at the start of the war and no one's heard of them since. I don't think Russians would final solution them but they would definitely deny they have them forever and keep them in the middle of Siberia in a camp.
Ukraine is perfectly within its rights to rescue them from a camp Russia would then deny even existed.
>"Oh we had no idea people were being held hostage there! Clearly a rogue soldier was at fault!"
>no one's heard of them since
Bruh. Go ahead and read any article about Ukrainians who miraculously escaped these horrible Russian gulags.
Pay attention to the actual description of their cunning and valiant escape attempts. It usually goes like this:
>go up to a camp official
>tell them you want to leave
>get asked if you have anywhere to go, say you do
>be wished safe travels
>leave
>travel to a border of any country accepting Ukrainian citizens without visa and go through the usual border crossing process
Congrats, you've escaped the concentration camp. Media tries to spin it as an incredibly rare feat of ingenuity and bravery, but in reality that's all it takes.
If only the israelites at Auschwitz knew the simple trick of just walking out, we wouldn't have to hear about six millions.
Anyone who wants to leave these camps, leaves. At no point of time there is an attempt to stop them with force. We have thousands of Ukrainians who have successfully went through the process above with no issues.
You don't hear about 100k+ Ukrainians because they have nothing to say, nowhere else to go and no reason to refuse their temporary accommodations.
I mean, you have to buy bus and train tickets, and they literally gulag people trying to help them.
You think every poor Ukrainian has 3-4k to get from the far reaches of Siberia back to Europe?
The idea it to make it difficult to leave, not impossible. You WANT the most highly motivated anti Russian potential dissidents to leave anyway
>You think every poor Ukrainian has 3-4k to get from the far reaches of Siberia back to Europe?
Have they considered working?
Are you suggesting that Ukrainians would have an easy time finding work in a country whose population has been getting blasted by propaganda painting Ukrainians as pigs and nazis for the past 8 years, in addition to the war it's fighting against Ukraine?
>Are you suggesting that Ukrainians would have an easy time finding work
Sure. There are 1.75 millions of seasonal workers arriving to Russia from Ukraine every year. If they didn't have an easy time finding work, they wouldn't be traveling to Russia with this goal in mind.
That's not even mentioning 2 millions Ukrainians permanently settled in Russia, it's the third largest ethnicity represented among the Russian population. Russians treat then no differently than other Russians.
>in addition to the war it's fighting against Ukraine?
While the conduct of Ukrainian army and media did a lot to convince Russians that they are monsters in need of military correction, why would it apply to civilians from the Eastern part of the country, especially the ones who fled to Russia?
They are viewed as innocent victims, first suffering the Ukrainian regime, and then the war destroying their homes.
Another thing of note is, the overwhelming majority of refugees were actually settled in the Western part of Russia. "Deportation to Siberian gulags" is a label propaganda just couldn't miss on because it pushes all the right buttons, but it has little to do with reality. Some people indeed were sent to Siberia and the Far East, but that was only done to distribute the load on regional emergency shelters.
Most refugee camps are pretty much within hitchhiking distance of Ukrainian-friendly countries like Georgia or Baltics.
>"just kill them!!"
and then any future encirclement they won't surrender and you'll waste valuable resources trying to finish them off, you absolute buffoon. Keep in mind most of the Russian force are conscripts too, low morale forced soldiers who don't want to be there and will most likely give up at the first opportunity.
This is one of many reasons the Russians will not win this war; people fighting for survival vs people who in the main don't even want to fight.
>Keep in mind most of the Russian force are conscripts too
No they are "contractniks". The conscripts were used in the Northern Front and caused quite an uproar in Puccia because young 18 year old Muscowite and Petersburg boys getting straight up shredded and roasted was not good publicity for "denazification operation". First there was denial, then there was a promise to find the ones responsible for involving conscripts in this shitshow and it all was forgotten like those boys lives.
If Ukraine stopped fighting, the war would be over.
If the people of DNR and LNR stopped fighting, there would be no more Donetsk or Lugansk People's Republic.
One one side you got the people of Donbass are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Ukrainian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
Or Russians could just give Ukraine its fricking land back, then frick off forever. Let Ukraine join the EU, let Ukraine join NATO, get the flying FRICK out of Ukraine's life.
Yeah nah get fricked zogbot.
>zogbot
You understand that Russia has stronger ties to Israel than Israel does to Ukraine right?
https://www.cfr.org/article/why-israel-has-been-slow-support-ukraine
>Russia will cease to exist if they stop bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and hospitals
how do you even begin to believe things like this?
This is literally a vatnik taking the facts and reversing as to how they apply to Russia, its almost hilarious.
>I DELIBERATELY INVADED AND THEY WON'T GIVE UP!
>WHAT THE HECK!
Truly Russian thinking at its highest
>if Ukraine stopped fighting, the war would be over
Imagine if a Black person like you came to your house and said:
"If you would just let me finish raping your wife, daughter and dog, this nightmare would be over"
>One one side you got the people of Donbass are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Ukrainian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
You already copy pasted this in the other thread...
If Russia stopped fighting, the war would be over.
If the people of Ukraine stopped fighting, there would be no more Ukraine.
One one side you got the people of Ukraine are fighting for their right to exist, on the other side you got a bunch of Russian conscripts being fed into the grinder to die for zog.
The commander of the 28th OMBr of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vitaliy Gulyaev, died in the Nikolaiv region.
>manpenis the bbc aficionado
He died a lot better than a lot of Russian officers will, blown up in HIMARS strikes.
https://au.topnews.media/ukraine/vitaliy-gulyaev-commander-of-the-28th-brigade-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-vitaliy-gulyaev-died-in-mykolaiv-oblast-24-07-22-1719-photo-report/
they could provide putin tied to a fencepost as a goodwill gesture
It'll be a green corridor once their corpses have fertilized the ground.
Fricking c**ts.
The only real response is the same as Russia gave to humanitarian corridors.
Agree but then keep bombing it.
>the insider
With a source like this, I fully believe they are wilfully spreading a fake claim to later turn around and claim Ukraine lied.
everything we know about this situation even existing is from ukranian claims, we need visual confirmation or russian acknowledgement before we start celebrating, im holding my horses for this one
it is time
It's not like the Russians captured & executed those Azov guys in the same position or anything, right?
Right, Anon?
Why should Ukraine not turn them into mincemeat?
Russians encircled Mariupol and didn't even bother negotiating with the Ukrainians until they needed a small W for V-day
You don't want to fight 1000 cornered soldiers if you can avoid it
You mean posting fake articles? It is.
>insider
a pro-vatnik source reposting wild claims from twitter? is this just a set-up for another big lie down the road? heroic 1k russians punch trhough 5 million hohols?
>insider
>Latvia-based website banned in Russia
>established by members of Russian opposition who fled the country due to political prosecution
>chief editor is a wanted men in Russia, had to illegally cross the border to avoid prison
>staunchly anti-Kremlin on every single topic
>pro-vatnik source
Controlled oposition you spastic
>every time somebody on my side acts moronic he must be a 4D Putin agent planted to discredit my side
Consider the Russians just violated the cease fire they had with the Ukrainians over shipping grain on the black sea, only a few hours after signing it.
The only options are unconditional surrender or kill them all
Don't you see they were aiming at a Ukranian warship armed with American weapons?
they should ideologically screen all the prisoners and then disperse them throughout Europe if they want to live a western life. send some to the US. the ones who want to go back to Russia, let em. you'd get waves and waves of conscripts surrendering.
Nobody wants them. Especially when Monke uses "muh oppressed Russian minority UwU" as justification for his naked wars of conquest. And that's not even getting into how most of the Russian troops are subhumans from east of the Urals who consider the vacuum tube to be high-tech are basically unemployable in modern western societies.
OUT
FRICKING
CAULDRONED
So was this confirmed fake or not? Losing 1000 men on the Kherson front is pretty decisive considering how spent the moscovian forces are
I seem to remember that the vats at Kherson were at division strength at least in which case losing 1k guys would be a significant loss but not crippling.
I would an hero if I was a /k/uck lmao
>haha I lied about being encirculed and asking the enemy to let me retreat
What motives do you think he has? Personally I think he is encirculed and did ask for an out only to have the Kremlin tell him to say it was a lie.
It can't be intended to fool Ukraine because they know the situation on the ground as well as him. Saying "you have me surrounded" isn't going to fool anyone, maybe it's to singal that you want to surender?
The difference between /k/ and other boards talking about this war is we think about motives and tactics, I doubt you ever considered what motive he would have to make 2 contradictory statements within 24 hours.
What.
We are blessed to be able to witness the destruction of moskal subhuman Black folk every single day