Awesome boots but I don't think you have the patience and endurance to break these in. Besides, you live in a city and walk on concrete all day when you are not jerking off in your mom's basement.
I have European logger boots and traditional mountain boots. You have to walk them in off-trail for 3-4 months every day. The wetter they are the faster they will break in. Expect 10 to 20 years out of one pair. Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability. You can walk these on gravel roads and concrete just fine but its not fun. They want to be off-road. Eventually they will become just as comfortable as normal boots
Thanks, I want them primarily for hunting in wet conditions. We get a lot of bad mud around here. I mean the clay that dries to concrete. At the moment I'm wearing tactical still insulated boots. They're alright but they soak water and mud like a sponge and generally just feel cheap. So I've started wearing picrel which are my everydays but the uppers are low
>Hunting in wet conditions
You'll get wet feet in the loggers as well it just takes 2 to 4 hours. You should really look into Jornkanga or Lundhags for hunting in the wet. I never got wet feet in those but they are glued boots not stitched, so you'll have probably half the life expectancy of the loggers.
If you want boots to just beat and crash into the wet brush the loggers are also not ideal, look for something like the Meindl Perfekt and wear them with gaiters if need be. Loggers are work boots after. The perfekts are perfect for cruising through the brush on steroids. They are double stitched, and have the thickest highest quality leather (the russian juchten) with a thick, stable wide mountaineering base, midsole, and outsole (more stable than the loggers and the Lundhags), but the sole is still flexible expecially after you have worn them in. Those are the best field-military/hunting boots around. They will also let in water after 5 to 10 hours or so (waterproofness depends on the thickness of the leather and the oiling/waxxing). So if you require dry feet for multiple days of hunting go with the Lundhags. The military version of the Lundhags is the Jornkanga. It has thicker leather, a more heat and cold resistant rubber base (military specs for use in desert, jungle, and arctic), and a better mountain outsole (and better customer support).
I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.
>Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability.
this is why they're obsolete grandpa tech btw
glued boots are better in every metric imagineable
its cheaper to throw them in the trash after 3 years (under $100 a year) then resole a boot yearly ($80-150 yearly around here)
but what do you know, city slicker?
>gets the math wrong
For daily boot wearers its like this:
Gluies pay $200 every year for a new boot.
Stitchies pay $300 every 5 years for a new boot and $80 max. yearly for maintenance.
Besides a 5 year old 1000 mile broken in stitched boot wears like no other. You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing (hint: there is no goretex in that boot so its not because of the smell). In fact I've been home for three hours already and haven't taken off my boots.
>You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing
they feel better out of the box than grandpa boots do at their best. you don't need to tell me i've been PrepHole before glue boots were on the market.
combat/mil boots are frickin great for urbex though. cheapest you'll find decent boots with multi-surface non slip outsoles that are okay outdoors. and you want cheap with urbex, with some of the nasty you'll step in.
glued boots have their uses. When you are on deployment or when you are on long trips where you can't dry and maintain them properly and you expect them to break by the end of the trip. For the occasional PrepHole trip? debatable but In daily use they suck.
yeah i said it another thread
hike more than 1000 miles a year? glued boot all day baby.
hike less than 1000 miles a year? stitch construction for lyfe.
glued boots don't last but they can be ran hard and put away wet.
Those are not boots. They're sneakers. Your not going to wear them in the field trust me.
what do you mean by in the field?
if you mean when i'm working/volunteering innawoods moving boulders and cutting down trees hell no i'm not wearing that kind of boot.
up on the mountains hiking, yeah obviously those aren't winter boots, but if a better all rounder exists enlighten me. i only see glued boots on other people when i'm anywhere like that. lots of la sportivas and the likes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Si19cZg.jpg
its not like mountaineering boots aren't kind of sneakerlike these days either
I see. Well there is a hidden group of outers you don't meet a lot, probably because you don't run across them on the AT or on the E5 or whereever you are from.
There are the people who make the trails and spend their time where other people don't go, and then there are the people who start walking on our trails. Once we notice there is normies walking on our trails we go somewhere else and make new trails.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There are the people who make the trails
i volunteer all the time with my state and i did forest service when i was younger. its actually mostly boomer hippies, college students getting school credit (only the volunteer programs, they don't sign up for forestry) and rednecks who make the trails at least around here.
i defend leather high boots on this board 24/7 like some kind of logger combat boot internet defence force, but i have to concede that this is probably true for most people. 9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfrick the catalog with threads about trailrunners
My sister's friend spent a grand on custom made cowboy boots. Made to fit her feet. Anyways after they were delivered she got rid of them because they pinched.
Lol
Lmao even
nope, but i live in a mcdonalds ball pit full of combat boots. i got 1980s usgi jungle boots, 2003 usgi mildew resistant speedlace boots, french double buckles, and austrian paras. i got so many callouses, i run in my combat boots with no socks now. when i go outdoors for real, i take the french double buckles - rest of the time i use the 2003 usgis because they're comfy
I've worn Camadian combat boots and parade boots. They're practical and well made. Normies cry about them but I've never had a problem. I don't think the whites are the same thing as issue combat boots. Or maybe they are and that's the real redpill on boots.
one of the big things i think about is DMS vs welted, sole depth, sole pattern, and rubber softness - all in relation to lifespan. the disadvantage of DMS boots is that they aren't really supposed to be resoled. welted boots can be resoled, but they can also delaminate in the field, which is a slight nuisance. DMS boots are generally chaper than welted ones. my 2003 usgis are DMS construction with a relatively soft rubber compound for military boots, but with a depth of about 1.3cm in the lugs and a sole pattern (pic related) with a massive area of contact with the ground - to where, i'm confident it'll take 4 - 5 years for them to actually wear down - and by that point, if they were welted boots, i probably wouldn't even want to repair them. on the other hand, if you get jungle boots with panama soles (which are also DMS), those things can wear down in 1 - 2 years while the leather is still in perfectly servicable condition. you have to think about bang for buck
2 years ago
Anonymous
lifespan also depends on the type of leather. my austrian paratroopers were made in 2014, and i acquired them in late 2019. i don't know how many conscripts used them between those years, but they were definitely used. i abused the crap out of them for about 2 years, kicking sharp rocks and walking through thorns constantly, and to this day they still nearly look flawless. then you've got those french double buckles i mentioned, which i've only owned for half the time - and they're great, but they're already covered in deep scratches. i reckon the shinier your boots are, the more resistant they'll be to damage - and my experiences with other boots seem to confirm this. might have something to do with the tanning process
2 years ago
Anonymous
These boots in your pic are 10/10 top tier
Wore a pair for like a fricking decade, they were waterproof up until they fell to pieces.
2 years ago
Anonymous
source for boots pls
2 years ago
Anonymous
brand new from altama or mcrae. make sure they're not made in the filippines if you buy altama. mcrae is the better manufacturer, but if you buy military contract altama is good too. you can still find new military contract ones on ebay sometimes
https://i.imgur.com/9vLKeKM.jpg
>BS. Your a shizo.
they need to mark what posts are made with a janny. something like a big yellow star would work.
Awesome boots but I don't think you have the patience and endurance to break these in. Besides, you live in a city and walk on concrete all day when you are not jerking off in your mom's basement.
Your lesbian boots?
You know how bad the domestic violence is in those relationships anon?
Black folk. I only wear leather boots and do stuff innawoods and have you ever broken in a pair of hockey skates? Frick you
>9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfrick the catalog with threads about trailrunners
well its more than that >4 months break in period vs boots you can replace mid way through a thru hike with no break in >half the time they're not comfortable after they break in, you have to be 100% sure on your sizing and it usually takes several pairs to get it right >costs more per year and more per mile than throwing a glued boot in the trash every 2-3 years >morons like to think uncomfortable shoes "makes them a man" it actually just gives you blisters and limits the range you can hike (sounds cucked)
at the end of the day i see zero value in having the upper of my boot last 20 years unless its benefiting me in the field (it doesn't) or saves me money (it doesn't)
i think most anons just hear "repairable" and "lasts 20 years" and completely neglect that this comes with the caveat of constant maintenance. if those style of boots were actually any good why don't mountaineering brands make them? they're obsolete and mostly a fashion statement now. there's no functional advantage.
I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.
>I always wear wool socks year round
wool only "stays warm when wet" when its moderately damp. once its saturated it provides no warmth. something you might want to know before you lose toes somewhere or wind up with trench foot thinking your wool socks are magical.
anon is correct that the only decently waterproof boots are glued.
>wool this wool that
Ooooh you're so smart. Shut up gay I wear wool year round. Never too hot, never too cold, still comfy when damp, rasy to dry, don't need washed often.
>yearly resole
This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I wore the same pair of Redwing logger boots for four years building cell towers. Still wear them to run chainsaws inna woods. They are 24 years old and never been resoled.
I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.
You don't sweat in the Lundhags not even in summer. There is no goretex and no lining its like a regular leatherboot in terms of breathability. if you want most breathable the loggers and lundhags are best, the mountain boots/perfekts have a thick leather padding that will be too much in the summer. The only problem I have with my loggers is the stiff sole. They are made for 10 mile work days, not for 15-20 mile hunting or hiking days. They are almost as stiff like the highest class crampon mountaineering boots.
Ah are they the tyrol fighters? My foreman and I have been eyeing them up for the next round of boots to request. Bit of a different design from all the modern stuff, I'd love a pair of them. Good find Anon.
> tyrol fighters?
No, its the toughest model they had. There is one with even thicker leather. I think you'll be fine with the tyrol fighters. The one I have is really closer to an absolutely stiff category D mountaineering boot than a work boot. I dont like to wear anything that is stiffer than the sole of a category C boot, at least not all day. (I use the Meindl Perfekt for making wood most of the time not this one).
Yeah they're the last of the roughnecks. It seems as if RW only sells mocs with those gay white heelless soles, now. I treated these regularly with dubin and recently started polishing them. I've worn them for everything from hiking to city walking. I also have a pair of Iron Rangers I can show off.
Good allrounder, but if you regularely wear them in thickets, undergrowth or on rock fields I'd get something more expendable. The outer leather will wear down like on any other random boot. I'd stay out of thorny undergrowth, sharp rock, climbing etc. They are great for normie terrain like roads, hiking trails including moutain trails, and other cleared terrain like graslands and forest floor, the occasional wetland maybe. The good thing about them is they don't stand out too much in cities like normal hiking boots and they last a lot longer.
Its also a boot that you'll let dry completely after a day of use before you wear it again. The guys that can afford those usually have 2 or 3 pairs of those kind of boots on rotation. So not exactly a daily use kind of through-and-throw away boot when you consider they are made to last 20 years or more with that kind of proper maintenance.
Yeah they’re pretty good. Wore out a pair and bought another. I’ve never tried a 650$ pair of whites but they beat out chink wallmart boots. Beware: some of their boots are now outsourced, make sure you don’t buy them!
reminder
your boots don't "last 20 years"
the upper does.
you have to replace the outsole constantly and pay someone for the service unless you're a frickin cobbler
it costs more money than just buying new glued boots every 2k miles and the glued boots outperform or are the same on EVERY metric: protection (rubber toe cap) waterproofness (glued seams) breathability (canvas sections can be added easily) weight (far less material, 1lb on foot = 5lb in pack) any other aspect of boots like traction etc is the same.
the only advantage to resolable boots in 2022:
not having to worry about a boot you like going out of production or changing
i can't think of any other advantage
if one exists please enlighten me otherwise its /in/tard larpshit
glued boots have their uses. When you are on deployment or when you are on long trips where you can't dry and maintain them properly and you expect them to break by the end of the trip. For the occasional PrepHole trip? debatable but In daily use they suck.
reminder
your boots don't "last 20 years"
the upper does.
you have to replace the outsole constantly and pay someone for the service unless you're a frickin cobbler
it costs more money than just buying new glued boots every 2k miles and the glued boots outperform or are the same on EVERY metric: protection (rubber toe cap) waterproofness (glued seams) breathability (canvas sections can be added easily) weight (far less material, 1lb on foot = 5lb in pack) any other aspect of boots like traction etc is the same.
This is the main reason. I'm sick of falling in love with a pair of boots only to lose them when the sole falls off 3 years later and it's muh discontinued model.
Looking at you Teva you fricks
something like 4d gtx's or renegades... basically a running shoe midsole with a glued boot built around it.. nothing with a leather or pu midsole is getting close to that in comfort. they weigh less than a pair of skate shoes.
of course you could wear them "in the field" - just depends on where you wear them, and personal preference. you could wear socks and sandals, or no shoes at all "in the field"
what i don't understand is
so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern
where do they even get their gear? everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
the cycle of life for a trail around here tends to be
- logging company or us forest service rough cuts trail
- logging companies will usually finish their trails, forest service doesn't
- bunch of boomers and college students volunteer and slowly turn the rough cut trails into hiking trails (building switchbacks, bridges, removing organics which around here means buried trees but other regions the forest service is less sloppy with the rough work, all the finish work etc)
forestry gang is all hicks
volunteer gang is all boomers hippies & students
>there is a hidden group of
no that's not how mountaineering works
you have to get permits to go a lot of places, not just in the west, a lot of countries regulate this stuff heavily too
to get permits you will either have to be invited with a group or hire a guide
for either of those to happen you have to have like $20-50k invested in brightly colored gear
i don't think these anons actually exist, i think its fantasy
Yeah, as I said, you don't know where we go and that's a good thing.
what i don't understand is
so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern
where do they even get their gear? everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
>what i don't understand is so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern where do they even get their gear?
Not from REI. >everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
You only need a single vs 17 panel on your first or second line gear. everything else is government misinfo. (its now illegal to have a camo tent or tarp in norway btw) >anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
No, we don't take selfies but you can have a view from my mountain. Actually no, you can only look up it. You have to climb it yourself if you want to see the vista. I also build a marked trail up there and now I don't go there anymore because normies started using it. And you know what the worst thing for any redditor is? The government doesnt even know this trail exists. You're not going to find any infos about this mountain even though its only 3 clicks from the most popular trail in my country and I connected my trail to it. To find places like this you actually have to go outside.
>you have to get permits
Once you "have" to get permits - meaning you actually face practical consequences - to do something its too late. Better go somewhere else. the place is already cucked. And what's your obsession with mountaineering? There is a subreddit for the brightly colored stuff and the gay people, this place is about the PrepHole experience and not sport.
1500 meters? come on anon that's like the mountains in my back yard.
what an embarrassment.
are you kidding me? my grandma can hike up that.
she did in that blog! LOL!
>wool this wool that
Ooooh you're so smart. Shut up gay I wear wool year round. Never too hot, never too cold, still comfy when damp, rasy to dry, don't need washed often.
>Shut up gay I wear wool year round
learn materials science dolt.
>yearly resole
This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
you don't hike very much, that's why. you're an /in/tard.
>yearly resole
This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
you said yourselves, yearly resoles. you only hike 200 miles a year?
>muh science >wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking >antibacterial properties >hollow fibers means it works as an insulator >air dries relatively quickly if hung out
Hows that fot science moron but nevermibd because I actually wear wool on the regular so I'm not like you and larping in my mom's basement.
please you moron
learn what "saturated" means you english second language freak. >hollow fibers means it works as an insulator
not when saturated. idiot. >air dries relatively quickly if hung out >wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking
these are mutually exclusive you idiot. if it holds a lot of water and wicks well its bad at drying. you can't have both. learn materials science you goblin.
wool is the slowest drying material of all the choices, except cotton.
what the frick are you talking about "dries relatively fast"
you are insane.
Of course when it's saturated it's not going to work. I never said it did. But who the frick walks around in saturated anything. At that point you need to change.
2 years ago
Anonymous
read the post i was quoting. it was an anon saying he doesn't need waterproof boots because of his magical merino socks. use your head and think a little bit. when your boots leak the sock is saturated. they're inside your boot. its not like they're getting misted on like a sweater might.
i'm correct, am i not? it does not matter what your sock is made of if your boot is leaking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK I made that post. When I say leather is not waterproof plus I wear wool, what I mean is water makes its way in eventually and makes the inside wet but because wool and leather breath, it will eventually dry and then be easy to dry given the opportunity. I have saturated my boots and socks and continued hiking. The discomfort was slight, and eventually the material started to dry as I walked, probably because those kinds of materials are breathable and air is circulating as you walk. If you are in freezing conditions and somehow get wet to the point I'd saturation, you need to change. With sealed synthetic materials, you might not get wet as fast, but when you do from sweat or external conditions, you won't get dry and you will be uncomfortable. Same applies, once you're saturated you have to change. Another factor is fire. Natural materials absorb heat when they burn, minimizing burns to your skin or are relatively resistant to burning. Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's how it is. Unlined or simple leather boots you can walk them dry or damp with wool socks even after crossing a stream that touched your pipi.
Are you talking about when you fall in the water? Because that's when it becomes saturated. Or heavy rain but in that case you're going to stay under cover or don a poncho. The point of wool is it breathes in damp conditions. Ask the 1000s of years of sailors or mountain men who wore wool. Get out of the house once in awhile man.
what kind of sad freak are you that you collect all this "outdoor data" and "outdoor facts" from social media and marketing propaganda and then spout those mantras on this based board. We can all tell you don't actually have any experience, you probably don't even go PrepHole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
okay now that i'm done shitposting, cool mountain, norway is quite pretty.
its from a guy's blog who tested it. the beauty of these things is that they're replicable. you can test it out for yourself, as can i. in a land of cheaply made foreign goods i'd suggest testing out your gear as much as possible before depending on it.
OK I made that post. When I say leather is not waterproof plus I wear wool, what I mean is water makes its way in eventually and makes the inside wet but because wool and leather breath, it will eventually dry and then be easy to dry given the opportunity. I have saturated my boots and socks and continued hiking. The discomfort was slight, and eventually the material started to dry as I walked, probably because those kinds of materials are breathable and air is circulating as you walk. If you are in freezing conditions and somehow get wet to the point I'd saturation, you need to change. With sealed synthetic materials, you might not get wet as fast, but when you do from sweat or external conditions, you won't get dry and you will be uncomfortable. Same applies, once you're saturated you have to change. Another factor is fire. Natural materials absorb heat when they burn, minimizing burns to your skin or are relatively resistant to burning. Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
its less about discomfort and more about
- when your sock's wet.. that's how ya get blisters, and blisters become bigger problems.
- goes without saying you can't let your socks get wet in mountain conditions. same reason you have to pace yourself to not sweat at times.
on shorter trips you can just hike through it but we're what-if-ing the situations where that's not a choice, either because the distance back home is too great to hike with a blistered up foot or because its cold enough to lose a foot. because yes you're right, most of the times it doesn't matter. >Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
this is the best objective argument against synthetics and the main reason you'll find me not always wearing synthetics.
a quick sleeve graze of the campfire in your puffy is no big deal, tenacious tape exists.
but say you're hiking near a wildfire? or tasked with putting one out? or you fall into a campfire (seen it happen with people NOT drunk! it can happen!)
puffy jackets aren't too far off from a chest coating of napalm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the other thing with wool. You won't get blisters as easily. I've never gotten blisters from wet wool. In the Canadian military during training you are issued wool socks. Not once did I get a blister. Granted you change your socks often, but that's true of anything. I've only ever gotten blisters wearing socks with synthetic blends, provalt. Because when they get wet they tend to stick and then release making them abrasive when wet. Wool, I find, will rub but it slides over your skin more easily.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Change your socks often and keep your feet dry, moron. Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the other thing with wool. You won't get blisters as easily. I've never gotten blisters from wet wool. In the Canadian military during training you are issued wool socks. Not once did I get a blister. Granted you change your socks often, but that's true of anything. I've only ever gotten blisters wearing socks with synthetic blends, provalt. Because when they get wet they tend to stick and then release making them abrasive when wet. Wool, I find, will rub but it slides over your skin more easily.
goalpost shift. >Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.
not really.
also no mention of polypropylene, because you're cucked by environmentalism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Goyslop poster here. I wear polypropylene to work and even that needs to be kept dry. Quits working when SATURATED
2 years ago
Anonymous
ye but it dries under 1/15th the time of wool, its more durable, and neither one smells
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dries faster
Probably true most cases >more durable
Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience. Really just depends what it's subject too >smell
Wool has a distinctive smell, but its a nice smell. Wool is naturally antibacterial and doesn't take on nasty sweat smells. I haven't washed my ll bean commando in 4 years. Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly. You can wear wool for a week and only smell of wool and campfire.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly
polypro is a middleground where it holds no moisture and isn't a great environment for bacteria to grow on. its not antimicrobial like wool but it doesn't stank right away like nylon and polyester either. there actually is an antimicrobial version of polypro which reportedly works quite well but its currently prohibitively expensive to use in gear.
polypro also interacts with liquids completely differently than polyester and nylon. its extremely hydrophobic and doesn't wick. try non wicking baselayers sometime it completely changed how i think about layering. >Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience.
Wool socks always get that nasty slick glossy feeling after a while. Polypro doesn't. Get a polypro liner sock wear it with a wool oversock and it will change your life.
Picrel is 3 yr old soles on a pair of Goodyear welted leather and rubber red wings never resoled worn year round for everything. $300. Even the laces are original.
its the same outsole as glued boots. they use the same generic vibrams. if you hike infrequently enough that you go 3 years without a resole then you will be getting 3+ years from a glued boot and need to adjust the math accordingly. its based on mileage. how many miles do you hike in a year, do you think?
Those boots cost me 300 dollars homosexual. I've hiked probably a 1000 miles? Idk
2 years ago
Anonymous
why compare all rounder boots to specialized mountaineering boots to begin with? they're not even for the same purpose.
Are you talking about when you fall in the water? Because that's when it becomes saturated. Or heavy rain but in that case you're going to stay under cover or don a poncho. The point of wool is it breathes in damp conditions. Ask the 1000s of years of sailors or mountain men who wore wool. Get out of the house once in awhile man.
>Are you talking about when you fall in the water?
well we're deep in the land of hypotheticals so the type of welt and stitch construction would matter a lot.
the better kinds like storm welts? as you describe.
but quite a few types of stitch construction? it will pull water into the shoe through capillary effect. read about the history of boot construction methods and why they were changed over time and ultimately replaced with cemented construction if you want to learn more about the limitations instead of taking a random anon's word for it.
there's truth to cheapening being why cemented construction came to footwear in general but with outdoor gear it was actually quite a revolutionary improvement to the gear as it allowed boots to be more waterproof, lighter, and just better in every way.
the only downside is you toss the upper out every few years.
that's it.
wasteful, but it doesn't even save much money.
>there is a hidden group of
no that's not how mountaineering works
you have to get permits to go a lot of places, not just in the west, a lot of countries regulate this stuff heavily too
to get permits you will either have to be invited with a group or hire a guide
for either of those to happen you have to have like $20-50k invested in brightly colored gear
i don't think these anons actually exist, i think its fantasy
like the "1500 meters monster mountain" anon its a clueless newbie who read "hurr durr merino warm when wet" on reddit or google and thinks it means he's immune to gangrene. funny. good thing most of you guys stay indoors.
there is no perfect fabric and every single one has major advantages none of the other ones can offer. wool will never be anywhere near as rugged as nylon, and nylon will never feel good against the skin. for example.
know when and where each is most ideal and what environments they can be taken advantage in.
personally i quite like the combination of a wool tank top with a nylon spandex button down shirt over top for my 3 seasons general normal weather base layers. for an example. a lot of the advantages of wool, but it can take a snag from some sticker bushes and shrug it off, and my pits never sweat.
Ignore the troony trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays. Logging boots and other super stiff boots are great for working not for crossing distances off-trail or hiking. For that get boots that are one level softer.
>Ignore the troony trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays.
Black person.
you don't get to post that after conceding i am right about every single point i made.
you're that norwegian anon who always posts polaroid selfies who shits up the catalogue with these threads all summer, right? you look like a 40 year old troony that gave up half way through in your pics.
haha did any of you guys see the "goyslop of boots" thread?
the guy shilling leather midsoles and calling me names itt admitted to being the janny then warned me for "racism" and deleted the entire thread.
because i asked one simple question:
why don't any well regarded and popular mountaineering boots use a leather midsole?
example:
https://www.scarpa.co.uk/scarpa-technical/#TechnicalMidsoleBlock >the guy shilling leather boots and saying 4d gtx's aren't good is the janny >probably gets paid to shill the brands he links >deletes entire threads and warns you for "racism" for posting about fricking boots
2 years ago
Anonymous
BS. Your a shizo. Thread is still up and I'm not a janny. >leather midsoles
Totally unrelated to anything I said. Why should I bother answering such a ridiculous question? You asking it only proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. Post your boot collection or don't bother replying. I wanna see your trailrunners, quest 4ds, and your scarpa, trango, la sportiva mountainboots. Prove that you have real experience beyond buying a pair of salomons on sale and show us that you have the boots and used them.
https://archive.alice.al/out/search/text/goyslop/type/op/
is there another PrepHole archive? whole thread is missing from it. i wanted to show you guys proof this guy
I'm a dog walker, can anyone suggest me some nice winter boots?
I'm in England so it doesn't have to be built for snow or anything but we get a lot of mud, I just need something dry lightweight and comfortable, but can't really find anything
Temps around freezing, ankle deep mud, offtrail dog terrain (meadows, fields, hills, clear forest floor), require dry feet: There is nothing better than Meindl dovre extrem or Lundhags Forest (size larger with double socks). You can get them cheaper from finnland (varuste.net) or wait for a sale. I got both of mine for less than 160 pounds UK.
If on the other hand you want long lasting (decades) stitched boots like OP you're not going to find them in the lightweight category and they wont be comfortable from the start.
No man. Very comfortable boot right out of the box I can attest to that but you see that little strip of webbing that holds the eyelet to secure your heel in place? That's going to rip first and the boot is a lot more chunky in feel than the Meindl Extreme Dovre. The Tibet is a proper mountain trekking boot, not ideal for the field, or for walking the dog next to a trail.
why the frick do Black folk ruin otherwise good boots by making them out of nubuck? everything about the marketing says they're for hiking, not work boots.
almost as moronic as the aged out sweden yes! troony telling everyone they should be hiking in work boots.
I need some boots for my first wildland fire season next year. Are these whites boots really worth the money. It seems like everyone recommends them but I don't have the money. Can I get by with something cheaper?
Which agency? The Forest Service has a $500 boot stipend you can use whenever you go on pay status. I think the BLM has something too but I've never worked with them so idk. I used that to get a pair of JK Boots fitted in Boise. Normally a $600+ boot that I paid a little over 100 out of pocket for.
Other than that if there's one piece of equipment you should break the bank for on wildland stuff, it's your boots and your socks. You do not want to be half a season in and find out your boots are are tearing up your feet. Whites and Danners both got outsourced to Chinese manufacturers iirc so their quality took a dip. JK Boots are basically the same guys but weren't outsourced and retain the original design specs. I like my pair and I haven't heard anything bad about them yet. Haix Missoulas are another popular pair I hear about often, but I've never tried them.
We should really have something for wildland stuff in the sticky, there's enough questions about it frequently that I feel it's warranted
troony janny
you work all day
many hours little pay
troony janny
have you checked the front page?
16 boot threads that 250 anons saged
delete these threads we've had our fun
before the advertisers turn tail and run!
I have a pair of keen leather boots that I have had for 5 years and use for work, hiking around 3-5 miles 5 days a week. Tread is still there, a bit of the sole is peeling off, and some gouges have made it not totally waterproof anymore, but still pretty close. 145 dollars, can't beat that.
Wore them for a year and a half working in the coast guard until my unit got me a new pair of boots. After I just wore them as daily boots and outdoor boots. Had them for about 2 years now.
I dont wear them too much anymore. I got a pair of Lowas and they're much lighter. I'd still wear these if I was doing any kind of outdoor work though
Your lesbian boots?
You know how bad the domestic violence is in those relationships anon?
fpbp
now that i'm done shitposting
if you're into that kind of boot white's are good
here's a youtuber cutting the exact boot in op in half
and another white's boot cut in half by another israelitetuber
Do you fight forest fires? Logger?
Outside of that there is no reason.
you cant wear these because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh chinese plastic good
Awesome boots but I don't think you have the patience and endurance to break these in. Besides, you live in a city and walk on concrete all day when you are not jerking off in your mom's basement.
Do you have a pair? Can you give me a rundown?
I have European logger boots and traditional mountain boots. You have to walk them in off-trail for 3-4 months every day. The wetter they are the faster they will break in. Expect 10 to 20 years out of one pair. Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability. You can walk these on gravel roads and concrete just fine but its not fun. They want to be off-road. Eventually they will become just as comfortable as normal boots
Thanks, I want them primarily for hunting in wet conditions. We get a lot of bad mud around here. I mean the clay that dries to concrete. At the moment I'm wearing tactical still insulated boots. They're alright but they soak water and mud like a sponge and generally just feel cheap. So I've started wearing picrel which are my everydays but the uppers are low
>Hunting in wet conditions
You'll get wet feet in the loggers as well it just takes 2 to 4 hours. You should really look into Jornkanga or Lundhags for hunting in the wet. I never got wet feet in those but they are glued boots not stitched, so you'll have probably half the life expectancy of the loggers.
If you want boots to just beat and crash into the wet brush the loggers are also not ideal, look for something like the Meindl Perfekt and wear them with gaiters if need be. Loggers are work boots after. The perfekts are perfect for cruising through the brush on steroids. They are double stitched, and have the thickest highest quality leather (the russian juchten) with a thick, stable wide mountaineering base, midsole, and outsole (more stable than the loggers and the Lundhags), but the sole is still flexible expecially after you have worn them in. Those are the best field-military/hunting boots around. They will also let in water after 5 to 10 hours or so (waterproofness depends on the thickness of the leather and the oiling/waxxing). So if you require dry feet for multiple days of hunting go with the Lundhags. The military version of the Lundhags is the Jornkanga. It has thicker leather, a more heat and cold resistant rubber base (military specs for use in desert, jungle, and arctic), and a better mountain outsole (and better customer support).
I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.
>Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability.
this is why they're obsolete grandpa tech btw
glued boots are better in every metric imagineable
its cheaper to throw them in the trash after 3 years (under $100 a year) then resole a boot yearly ($80-150 yearly around here)
but what do you know, city slicker?
>gets the math wrong
For daily boot wearers its like this:
Gluies pay $200 every year for a new boot.
Stitchies pay $300 every 5 years for a new boot and $80 max. yearly for maintenance.
Besides a 5 year old 1000 mile broken in stitched boot wears like no other. You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing (hint: there is no goretex in that boot so its not because of the smell). In fact I've been home for three hours already and haven't taken off my boots.
>You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing
they feel better out of the box than grandpa boots do at their best. you don't need to tell me i've been PrepHole before glue boots were on the market.
combat/mil boots are frickin great for urbex though. cheapest you'll find decent boots with multi-surface non slip outsoles that are okay outdoors. and you want cheap with urbex, with some of the nasty you'll step in.
holy larp
>math wrong
depends how much you hike
yeah i said it another thread
hike more than 1000 miles a year? glued boot all day baby.
hike less than 1000 miles a year? stitch construction for lyfe.
glued boots don't last but they can be ran hard and put away wet.
what do you mean by in the field?
if you mean when i'm working/volunteering innawoods moving boulders and cutting down trees hell no i'm not wearing that kind of boot.
up on the mountains hiking, yeah obviously those aren't winter boots, but if a better all rounder exists enlighten me. i only see glued boots on other people when i'm anywhere like that. lots of la sportivas and the likes.
I see. Well there is a hidden group of outers you don't meet a lot, probably because you don't run across them on the AT or on the E5 or whereever you are from.
There are the people who make the trails and spend their time where other people don't go, and then there are the people who start walking on our trails. Once we notice there is normies walking on our trails we go somewhere else and make new trails.
>There are the people who make the trails
i volunteer all the time with my state and i did forest service when i was younger. its actually mostly boomer hippies, college students getting school credit (only the volunteer programs, they don't sign up for forestry) and rednecks who make the trails at least around here.
I'm thinking of getting them for hunting or should I spend double on their hunters
i defend leather high boots on this board 24/7 like some kind of logger combat boot internet defence force, but i have to concede that this is probably true for most people. 9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfrick the catalog with threads about trailrunners
My sister's friend spent a grand on custom made cowboy boots. Made to fit her feet. Anyways after they were delivered she got rid of them because they pinched.
Lol
Lmao even
Do you own a pair of whites?
nope, but i live in a mcdonalds ball pit full of combat boots. i got 1980s usgi jungle boots, 2003 usgi mildew resistant speedlace boots, french double buckles, and austrian paras. i got so many callouses, i run in my combat boots with no socks now. when i go outdoors for real, i take the french double buckles - rest of the time i use the 2003 usgis because they're comfy
I've worn Camadian combat boots and parade boots. They're practical and well made. Normies cry about them but I've never had a problem. I don't think the whites are the same thing as issue combat boots. Or maybe they are and that's the real redpill on boots.
one of the big things i think about is DMS vs welted, sole depth, sole pattern, and rubber softness - all in relation to lifespan. the disadvantage of DMS boots is that they aren't really supposed to be resoled. welted boots can be resoled, but they can also delaminate in the field, which is a slight nuisance. DMS boots are generally chaper than welted ones. my 2003 usgis are DMS construction with a relatively soft rubber compound for military boots, but with a depth of about 1.3cm in the lugs and a sole pattern (pic related) with a massive area of contact with the ground - to where, i'm confident it'll take 4 - 5 years for them to actually wear down - and by that point, if they were welted boots, i probably wouldn't even want to repair them. on the other hand, if you get jungle boots with panama soles (which are also DMS), those things can wear down in 1 - 2 years while the leather is still in perfectly servicable condition. you have to think about bang for buck
lifespan also depends on the type of leather. my austrian paratroopers were made in 2014, and i acquired them in late 2019. i don't know how many conscripts used them between those years, but they were definitely used. i abused the crap out of them for about 2 years, kicking sharp rocks and walking through thorns constantly, and to this day they still nearly look flawless. then you've got those french double buckles i mentioned, which i've only owned for half the time - and they're great, but they're already covered in deep scratches. i reckon the shinier your boots are, the more resistant they'll be to damage - and my experiences with other boots seem to confirm this. might have something to do with the tanning process
These boots in your pic are 10/10 top tier
Wore a pair for like a fricking decade, they were waterproof up until they fell to pieces.
source for boots pls
brand new from altama or mcrae. make sure they're not made in the filippines if you buy altama. mcrae is the better manufacturer, but if you buy military contract altama is good too. you can still find new military contract ones on ebay sometimes
nobody looks like that though
>BS. Your a shizo.
Black folk. I only wear leather boots and do stuff innawoods and have you ever broken in a pair of hockey skates? Frick you
>and have you ever broken in a pair of hockey skates?
As a matter of fact I haven't. Your boots are still dyke level.
I also defend logger boots and combat boots, but only because I piss myself laughing imagining other anons wasting their money and hurting their feet.
>9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfrick the catalog with threads about trailrunners
well its more than that
>4 months break in period vs boots you can replace mid way through a thru hike with no break in
>half the time they're not comfortable after they break in, you have to be 100% sure on your sizing and it usually takes several pairs to get it right
>costs more per year and more per mile than throwing a glued boot in the trash every 2-3 years
>morons like to think uncomfortable shoes "makes them a man" it actually just gives you blisters and limits the range you can hike (sounds cucked)
at the end of the day i see zero value in having the upper of my boot last 20 years unless its benefiting me in the field (it doesn't) or saves me money (it doesn't)
i think most anons just hear "repairable" and "lasts 20 years" and completely neglect that this comes with the caveat of constant maintenance. if those style of boots were actually any good why don't mountaineering brands make them? they're obsolete and mostly a fashion statement now. there's no functional advantage.
>I always wear wool socks year round
wool only "stays warm when wet" when its moderately damp. once its saturated it provides no warmth. something you might want to know before you lose toes somewhere or wind up with trench foot thinking your wool socks are magical.
anon is correct that the only decently waterproof boots are glued.
>wool this wool that
Ooooh you're so smart. Shut up gay I wear wool year round. Never too hot, never too cold, still comfy when damp, rasy to dry, don't need washed often.
>yearly resole
This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I wore the same pair of Redwing logger boots for four years building cell towers. Still wear them to run chainsaws inna woods. They are 24 years old and never been resoled.
/troonyheel/ general.
3 yrs old these boots MOG all you homosexuals. Even the laces are original.
nice boot porn. post more. Are those redwings?
You don't sweat in the Lundhags not even in summer. There is no goretex and no lining its like a regular leatherboot in terms of breathability. if you want most breathable the loggers and lundhags are best, the mountain boots/perfekts have a thick leather padding that will be too much in the summer. The only problem I have with my loggers is the stiff sole. They are made for 10 mile work days, not for 15-20 mile hunting or hiking days. They are almost as stiff like the highest class crampon mountaineering boots.
Post euro logger boots? These must be some old school things eh? Just curious, I'm a European logger.
They are a mix of old and new having a synthetic lining on the inside and the outside is 100% oldschool euro logger boot.
Anyway I dont think loggers are for serious outdoor adventures. They are just too stiff. They are work boots for maximum durability.
Ah are they the tyrol fighters? My foreman and I have been eyeing them up for the next round of boots to request. Bit of a different design from all the modern stuff, I'd love a pair of them. Good find Anon.
> tyrol fighters?
No, its the toughest model they had. There is one with even thicker leather. I think you'll be fine with the tyrol fighters. The one I have is really closer to an absolutely stiff category D mountaineering boot than a work boot. I dont like to wear anything that is stiffer than the sole of a category C boot, at least not all day. (I use the Meindl Perfekt for making wood most of the time not this one).
Yeah they're the last of the roughnecks. It seems as if RW only sells mocs with those gay white heelless soles, now. I treated these regularly with dubin and recently started polishing them. I've worn them for everything from hiking to city walking. I also have a pair of Iron Rangers I can show off.
How’s the weather in Australia, mate?
Are Redwings good as an all purpose boot or am I being memed?
I work in the oil patch and literally everyone wears them. Just be careful about their madeinchina goyslop lines.
Good allrounder, but if you regularely wear them in thickets, undergrowth or on rock fields I'd get something more expendable. The outer leather will wear down like on any other random boot. I'd stay out of thorny undergrowth, sharp rock, climbing etc. They are great for normie terrain like roads, hiking trails including moutain trails, and other cleared terrain like graslands and forest floor, the occasional wetland maybe. The good thing about them is they don't stand out too much in cities like normal hiking boots and they last a lot longer.
Its also a boot that you'll let dry completely after a day of use before you wear it again. The guys that can afford those usually have 2 or 3 pairs of those kind of boots on rotation. So not exactly a daily use kind of through-and-throw away boot when you consider they are made to last 20 years or more with that kind of proper maintenance.
Yeah they’re pretty good. Wore out a pair and bought another. I’ve never tried a 650$ pair of whites but they beat out chink wallmart boots. Beware: some of their boots are now outsourced, make sure you don’t buy them!
reminder
your boots don't "last 20 years"
the upper does.
you have to replace the outsole constantly and pay someone for the service unless you're a frickin cobbler
it costs more money than just buying new glued boots every 2k miles and the glued boots outperform or are the same on EVERY metric: protection (rubber toe cap) waterproofness (glued seams) breathability (canvas sections can be added easily) weight (far less material, 1lb on foot = 5lb in pack) any other aspect of boots like traction etc is the same.
the only advantage to resolable boots in 2022:
not having to worry about a boot you like going out of production or changing
i can't think of any other advantage
if one exists please enlighten me otherwise its /in/tard larpshit
glued boots have their uses. When you are on deployment or when you are on long trips where you can't dry and maintain them properly and you expect them to break by the end of the trip. For the occasional PrepHole trip? debatable but In daily use they suck.
Why shilling chinkshit so much
both boots i posted are made in italy
search is your friend
This is the main reason. I'm sick of falling in love with a pair of boots only to lose them when the sole falls off 3 years later and it's muh discontinued model.
Looking at you Teva you fricks
something like 4d gtx's or renegades... basically a running shoe midsole with a glued boot built around it.. nothing with a leather or pu midsole is getting close to that in comfort. they weigh less than a pair of skate shoes.
Those are not boots. They're sneakers. Your not going to wear them in the field trust me.
of course you could wear them "in the field" - just depends on where you wear them, and personal preference. you could wear socks and sandals, or no shoes at all "in the field"
its not like mountaineering boots aren't kind of sneakerlike these days either
Frickin gay man. I hate that kind of gear. The thought of wearing stuff like that provokes thoughts of anhero.
usually sneaker type midsole with glued construction, i think keeping toes is favored over how long the boot lasts
what i don't understand is
so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern
where do they even get their gear? everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
the cycle of life for a trail around here tends to be
- logging company or us forest service rough cuts trail
- logging companies will usually finish their trails, forest service doesn't
- bunch of boomers and college students volunteer and slowly turn the rough cut trails into hiking trails (building switchbacks, bridges, removing organics which around here means buried trees but other regions the forest service is less sloppy with the rough work, all the finish work etc)
forestry gang is all hicks
volunteer gang is all boomers hippies & students
Yeah, as I said, you don't know where we go and that's a good thing.
>what i don't understand is so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern where do they even get their gear?
Not from REI.
>everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
You only need a single vs 17 panel on your first or second line gear. everything else is government misinfo. (its now illegal to have a camo tent or tarp in norway btw)
>anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
No, we don't take selfies but you can have a view from my mountain. Actually no, you can only look up it. You have to climb it yourself if you want to see the vista. I also build a marked trail up there and now I don't go there anymore because normies started using it. And you know what the worst thing for any redditor is? The government doesnt even know this trail exists. You're not going to find any infos about this mountain even though its only 3 clicks from the most popular trail in my country and I connected my trail to it. To find places like this you actually have to go outside.
>you have to get permits
Once you "have" to get permits - meaning you actually face practical consequences - to do something its too late. Better go somewhere else. the place is already cucked. And what's your obsession with mountaineering? There is a subreddit for the brightly colored stuff and the gay people, this place is about the PrepHole experience and not sport.
Actually you can find something, looks like the normies and tubers finally found it.
https://www.mywanderfullife.de/en/kungsleden-rest-day-kaitumjaure/
1500 meters? come on anon that's like the mountains in my back yard.
what an embarrassment.
are you kidding me? my grandma can hike up that.
she did in that blog! LOL!
>Shut up gay I wear wool year round
learn materials science dolt.
you don't hike very much, that's why. you're an /in/tard.
you said yourselves, yearly resoles. you only hike 200 miles a year?
you need to go back troony.
>muh science
>wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking
>antibacterial properties
>hollow fibers means it works as an insulator
>air dries relatively quickly if hung out
Hows that fot science moron but nevermibd because I actually wear wool on the regular so I'm not like you and larping in my mom's basement.
please you moron
learn what "saturated" means you english second language freak.
>hollow fibers means it works as an insulator
not when saturated. idiot.
>air dries relatively quickly if hung out
>wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking
these are mutually exclusive you idiot. if it holds a lot of water and wicks well its bad at drying. you can't have both. learn materials science you goblin.
wool is the slowest drying material of all the choices, except cotton.
what the frick are you talking about "dries relatively fast"
you are insane.
mohammed says what?
Of course when it's saturated it's not going to work. I never said it did. But who the frick walks around in saturated anything. At that point you need to change.
read the post i was quoting. it was an anon saying he doesn't need waterproof boots because of his magical merino socks. use your head and think a little bit. when your boots leak the sock is saturated. they're inside your boot. its not like they're getting misted on like a sweater might.
i'm correct, am i not? it does not matter what your sock is made of if your boot is leaking.
OK I made that post. When I say leather is not waterproof plus I wear wool, what I mean is water makes its way in eventually and makes the inside wet but because wool and leather breath, it will eventually dry and then be easy to dry given the opportunity. I have saturated my boots and socks and continued hiking. The discomfort was slight, and eventually the material started to dry as I walked, probably because those kinds of materials are breathable and air is circulating as you walk. If you are in freezing conditions and somehow get wet to the point I'd saturation, you need to change. With sealed synthetic materials, you might not get wet as fast, but when you do from sweat or external conditions, you won't get dry and you will be uncomfortable. Same applies, once you're saturated you have to change. Another factor is fire. Natural materials absorb heat when they burn, minimizing burns to your skin or are relatively resistant to burning. Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
That's how it is. Unlined or simple leather boots you can walk them dry or damp with wool socks even after crossing a stream that touched your pipi.
Are you talking about when you fall in the water? Because that's when it becomes saturated. Or heavy rain but in that case you're going to stay under cover or don a poncho. The point of wool is it breathes in damp conditions. Ask the 1000s of years of sailors or mountain men who wore wool. Get out of the house once in awhile man.
what kind of sad freak are you that you collect all this "outdoor data" and "outdoor facts" from social media and marketing propaganda and then spout those mantras on this based board. We can all tell you don't actually have any experience, you probably don't even go PrepHole.
okay now that i'm done shitposting, cool mountain, norway is quite pretty.
its from a guy's blog who tested it. the beauty of these things is that they're replicable. you can test it out for yourself, as can i. in a land of cheaply made foreign goods i'd suggest testing out your gear as much as possible before depending on it.
its less about discomfort and more about
- when your sock's wet.. that's how ya get blisters, and blisters become bigger problems.
- goes without saying you can't let your socks get wet in mountain conditions. same reason you have to pace yourself to not sweat at times.
on shorter trips you can just hike through it but we're what-if-ing the situations where that's not a choice, either because the distance back home is too great to hike with a blistered up foot or because its cold enough to lose a foot. because yes you're right, most of the times it doesn't matter.
>Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
this is the best objective argument against synthetics and the main reason you'll find me not always wearing synthetics.
a quick sleeve graze of the campfire in your puffy is no big deal, tenacious tape exists.
but say you're hiking near a wildfire? or tasked with putting one out? or you fall into a campfire (seen it happen with people NOT drunk! it can happen!)
puffy jackets aren't too far off from a chest coating of napalm.
That's the other thing with wool. You won't get blisters as easily. I've never gotten blisters from wet wool. In the Canadian military during training you are issued wool socks. Not once did I get a blister. Granted you change your socks often, but that's true of anything. I've only ever gotten blisters wearing socks with synthetic blends, provalt. Because when they get wet they tend to stick and then release making them abrasive when wet. Wool, I find, will rub but it slides over your skin more easily.
Change your socks often and keep your feet dry, moron. Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.
goalpost shift.
>Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.
not really.
also no mention of polypropylene, because you're cucked by environmentalism.
Goyslop poster here. I wear polypropylene to work and even that needs to be kept dry. Quits working when SATURATED
ye but it dries under 1/15th the time of wool, its more durable, and neither one smells
>dries faster
Probably true most cases
>more durable
Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience. Really just depends what it's subject too
>smell
Wool has a distinctive smell, but its a nice smell. Wool is naturally antibacterial and doesn't take on nasty sweat smells. I haven't washed my ll bean commando in 4 years. Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly. You can wear wool for a week and only smell of wool and campfire.
>Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly
polypro is a middleground where it holds no moisture and isn't a great environment for bacteria to grow on. its not antimicrobial like wool but it doesn't stank right away like nylon and polyester either. there actually is an antimicrobial version of polypro which reportedly works quite well but its currently prohibitively expensive to use in gear.
polypro also interacts with liquids completely differently than polyester and nylon. its extremely hydrophobic and doesn't wick. try non wicking baselayers sometime it completely changed how i think about layering.
>Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience.
Wool socks always get that nasty slick glossy feeling after a while. Polypro doesn't. Get a polypro liner sock wear it with a wool oversock and it will change your life.
janny post
Picrel is 3 yr old soles on a pair of Goodyear welted leather and rubber red wings never resoled worn year round for everything. $300. Even the laces are original.
its the same outsole as glued boots. they use the same generic vibrams. if you hike infrequently enough that you go 3 years without a resole then you will be getting 3+ years from a glued boot and need to adjust the math accordingly. its based on mileage. how many miles do you hike in a year, do you think?
Those boots cost me 300 dollars homosexual. I've hiked probably a 1000 miles? Idk
why compare all rounder boots to specialized mountaineering boots to begin with? they're not even for the same purpose.
>Are you talking about when you fall in the water?
well we're deep in the land of hypotheticals so the type of welt and stitch construction would matter a lot.
the better kinds like storm welts? as you describe.
but quite a few types of stitch construction? it will pull water into the shoe through capillary effect. read about the history of boot construction methods and why they were changed over time and ultimately replaced with cemented construction if you want to learn more about the limitations instead of taking a random anon's word for it.
there's truth to cheapening being why cemented construction came to footwear in general but with outdoor gear it was actually quite a revolutionary improvement to the gear as it allowed boots to be more waterproof, lighter, and just better in every way.
the only downside is you toss the upper out every few years.
that's it.
wasteful, but it doesn't even save much money.
>there is a hidden group of
no that's not how mountaineering works
you have to get permits to go a lot of places, not just in the west, a lot of countries regulate this stuff heavily too
to get permits you will either have to be invited with a group or hire a guide
for either of those to happen you have to have like $20-50k invested in brightly colored gear
i don't think these anons actually exist, i think its fantasy
like the "1500 meters monster mountain" anon its a clueless newbie who read "hurr durr merino warm when wet" on reddit or google and thinks it means he's immune to gangrene. funny. good thing most of you guys stay indoors.
Damn i’d wear those with my thigh highs and my pigtails and my school girl outfit and go clubbing
it does melt like napalm probably worse than polyester though be aware
there is no perfect fabric and every single one has major advantages none of the other ones can offer. wool will never be anywhere near as rugged as nylon, and nylon will never feel good against the skin. for example.
know when and where each is most ideal and what environments they can be taken advantage in.
personally i quite like the combination of a wool tank top with a nylon spandex button down shirt over top for my 3 seasons general normal weather base layers. for an example. a lot of the advantages of wool, but it can take a snag from some sticker bushes and shrug it off, and my pits never sweat.
Wore a pair this summer. White bite is real try the 213 lace
Ignore the troony trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays. Logging boots and other super stiff boots are great for working not for crossing distances off-trail or hiking. For that get boots that are one level softer.
>Ignore the troony trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays.
Black person.
you don't get to post that after conceding i am right about every single point i made.
you're that norwegian anon who always posts polaroid selfies who shits up the catalogue with these threads all summer, right? you look like a 40 year old troony that gave up half way through in your pics.
I never made any threads on 4chin. Not norwegian or swedish either. You're on some kind of booze, troony?
Ah, right. post your essays about polypropylene and your little marketing charts. at least I cant smell your polypro underwear from here.
Remember that time you recommended finnish anon to wear nylon stockings and long sleeve for better moisture transportation. Good ol times.
did you run out of horse piss, troon?
don't think i'm going to forget you look like an actual detransitioned 40 year old transsexual irl.
I will find you and make you apologize.
haha did any of you guys see the "goyslop of boots" thread?
the guy shilling leather midsoles and calling me names itt admitted to being the janny then warned me for "racism" and deleted the entire thread.
because i asked one simple question:
why don't any well regarded and popular mountaineering boots use a leather midsole?
example:
https://www.scarpa.co.uk/scarpa-technical/#TechnicalMidsoleBlock
>the guy shilling leather boots and saying 4d gtx's aren't good is the janny
>probably gets paid to shill the brands he links
>deletes entire threads and warns you for "racism" for posting about fricking boots
BS. Your a shizo. Thread is still up and I'm not a janny.
>leather midsoles
Totally unrelated to anything I said. Why should I bother answering such a ridiculous question? You asking it only proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. Post your boot collection or don't bother replying. I wanna see your trailrunners, quest 4ds, and your scarpa, trango, la sportiva mountainboots. Prove that you have real experience beyond buying a pair of salomons on sale and show us that you have the boots and used them.
>Thread is still up and I'm not a janny.
look at the spinoff thread you made
they're all making fun of you for not knowing what mountaineering boots are
https://archive.alice.al/out/search/text/goyslop/type/op/
is there another PrepHole archive? whole thread is missing from it. i wanted to show you guys proof this guy
is a troony janny paid shill
I'm a dog walker, can anyone suggest me some nice winter boots?
I'm in England so it doesn't have to be built for snow or anything but we get a lot of mud, I just need something dry lightweight and comfortable, but can't really find anything
Temps around freezing, ankle deep mud, offtrail dog terrain (meadows, fields, hills, clear forest floor), require dry feet: There is nothing better than Meindl dovre extrem or Lundhags Forest (size larger with double socks). You can get them cheaper from finnland (varuste.net) or wait for a sale. I got both of mine for less than 160 pounds UK.
If on the other hand you want long lasting (decades) stitched boots like OP you're not going to find them in the lightweight category and they wont be comfortable from the start.
Will see if I can catch them on sale! Can you suggest anything that isn't tall boot as I'd like to be able to drive in them
Unironically look at altberg
https://www.lowaboots.com/mens/backpacking-mountain-hunting/tibet-gtx-sepia-black
a far better option.
No man. Very comfortable boot right out of the box I can attest to that but you see that little strip of webbing that holds the eyelet to secure your heel in place? That's going to rip first and the boot is a lot more chunky in feel than the Meindl Extreme Dovre. The Tibet is a proper mountain trekking boot, not ideal for the field, or for walking the dog next to a trail.
>soaks sweat, mud, and water like a sponge and holds it. Hard to dry. Lots of plastics and glues etc.
No thanks
why the frick do Black folk ruin otherwise good boots by making them out of nubuck? everything about the marketing says they're for hiking, not work boots.
almost as moronic as the aged out sweden yes! troony telling everyone they should be hiking in work boots.
nubuk leather is lighter than juchten. that's what's important to glue gays.
I need some boots for my first wildland fire season next year. Are these whites boots really worth the money. It seems like everyone recommends them but I don't have the money. Can I get by with something cheaper?
Yes, just buy cheaper all leather workboots.
Which agency? The Forest Service has a $500 boot stipend you can use whenever you go on pay status. I think the BLM has something too but I've never worked with them so idk. I used that to get a pair of JK Boots fitted in Boise. Normally a $600+ boot that I paid a little over 100 out of pocket for.
Other than that if there's one piece of equipment you should break the bank for on wildland stuff, it's your boots and your socks. You do not want to be half a season in and find out your boots are are tearing up your feet. Whites and Danners both got outsourced to Chinese manufacturers iirc so their quality took a dip. JK Boots are basically the same guys but weren't outsourced and retain the original design specs. I like my pair and I haven't heard anything bad about them yet. Haix Missoulas are another popular pair I hear about often, but I've never tried them.
We should really have something for wildland stuff in the sticky, there's enough questions about it frequently that I feel it's warranted
>BS. Your a shizo.
they need to mark what posts are made with a janny. something like a big yellow star would work.
thread isn't up. everything else in your post is a lie. you look like an elderly troony irl too.
Check hidden threads. Also show us your boots or I'm calling bullshit on everything you said.
troony janny
you work all day
many hours little pay
troony janny
have you checked the front page?
16 boot threads that 250 anons saged
delete these threads we've had our fun
before the advertisers turn tail and run!
Whites are chinese dogshit now, get a real man's boot like JK.
Mine are 2 seasons deep and still going.
>Nicks are ok too I guess
I have 3 Brandecosse country boots (Diemme), varying types. Still breaking them in ages later. Leather is insanely thick.
https://www.brandecosse.com/
for real; what is the purpose of the false tongue? I'm not saying it doesn't have one I'm genuinely curious.
>false tongue
its called a kiltie, just acts as another layer as leather, really doesnt do much.
anything above 6" is bullshit as a FFT1 on a Type 1 crew frick government regulations / traditions on gear
Damn, you anons are serious about your boots. Here I am wearing walmart brand... >.>
I have a pair of keen leather boots that I have had for 5 years and use for work, hiking around 3-5 miles 5 days a week. Tread is still there, a bit of the sole is peeling off, and some gouges have made it not totally waterproof anymore, but still pretty close. 145 dollars, can't beat that.
My pair of red wing logger boots.
Wore them for a year and a half working in the coast guard until my unit got me a new pair of boots. After I just wore them as daily boots and outdoor boots. Had them for about 2 years now.
I dont wear them too much anymore. I got a pair of Lowas and they're much lighter. I'd still wear these if I was doing any kind of outdoor work though