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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your lesbian boots?
    You know how bad the domestic violence is in those relationships anon?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wore a pair this summer. White bite is real try the 213 lace

      now that i'm done shitposting
      if you're into that kind of boot white's are good
      here's a youtuber cutting the exact boot in op in half

      and another white's boot cut in half by another garden gnometuber

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you fight forest fires? Logger?

    Outside of that there is no reason.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you cant wear these because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh chinese plastic good

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Awesome boots but I don't think you have the patience and endurance to break these in. Besides, you live in a city and walk on concrete all day when you are not masturbating in your mom's basement.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have a pair? Can you give me a rundown?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have European logger boots and traditional mountain boots. You have to walk them in off-trail for 3-4 months every day. The wetter they are the faster they will break in. Expect 10 to 20 years out of one pair. Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability. You can walk these on gravel roads and concrete just fine but its not fun. They want to be off-road. Eventually they will become just as comfortable as normal boots

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, I want them primarily for hunting in wet conditions. We get a lot of bad mud around here. I mean the clay that dries to concrete. At the moment I'm wearing tactical still insulated boots. They're alright but they soak water and mud like a sponge and generally just feel cheap. So I've started wearing picrel which are my everydays but the uppers are low

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hunting in wet conditions
            You'll get wet feet in the loggers as well it just takes 2 to 4 hours. You should really look into Jornkanga or Lundhags for hunting in the wet. I never got wet feet in those but they are glued boots not stitched, so you'll have probably half the life expectancy of the loggers.
            If you want boots to just beat and crash into the wet brush the loggers are also not ideal, look for something like the Meindl Perfekt and wear them with gaiters if need be. Loggers are work boots after. The perfekts are perfect for cruising through the brush on steroids. They are double stitched, and have the thickest highest quality leather (the russian juchten) with a thick, stable wide mountaineering base, midsole, and outsole (more stable than the loggers and the Lundhags), but the sole is still flexible expecially after you have worn them in. Those are the best field-military/hunting boots around. They will also let in water after 5 to 10 hours or so (waterproofness depends on the thickness of the leather and the oiling/waxxing). So if you require dry feet for multiple days of hunting go with the Lundhags. The military version of the Lundhags is the Jornkanga. It has thicker leather, a more heat and cold resistant rubber base (military specs for use in desert, jungle, and arctic), and a better mountain outsole (and better customer support).

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Soles have to be fixed every year if you are a daily user. If you want to use them every day you should have two pairs for maximum durability.
          this is why they're obsolete grandpa tech btw
          glued boots are better in every metric imagineable
          its cheaper to throw them in the trash after 3 years (under $100 a year) then resole a boot yearly ($80-150 yearly around here)
          but what do you know, city slicker?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >gets the math wrong
            For daily boot wearers its like this:
            Gluies pay $200 every year for a new boot.
            Stitchies pay $300 every 5 years for a new boot and $80 max. yearly for maintenance.

            Besides a 5 year old 1000 mile broken in stitched boot wears like no other. You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing (hint: there is no goretex in that boot so its not because of the smell). In fact I've been home for three hours already and haven't taken off my boots.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >You'll never get there with glued boots and you'll always wonder why that guy doesnt even bother to take off his boots when bivouacing
              they feel better out of the box than grandpa boots do at their best. you don't need to tell me i've been PrepHole before glue boots were on the market.
              combat/mil boots are fuckin great for urbex though. cheapest you'll find decent boots with multi-surface non slip outsoles that are okay outdoors. and you want cheap with urbex, with some of the nasty you'll step in.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                holy larp

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >math wrong
              depends how much you hike

              glued boots have their uses. When you are on deployment or when you are on long trips where you can't dry and maintain them properly and you expect them to break by the end of the trip. For the occasional PrepHole trip? debatable but In daily use they suck.

              yeah i said it another thread
              hike more than 1000 miles a year? glued boot all day baby.
              hike less than 1000 miles a year? stitch construction for lyfe.
              glued boots don't last but they can be ran hard and put away wet.

              Those are not boots. They're sneakers. Your not going to wear them in the field trust me.

              what do you mean by in the field?
              if you mean when i'm working/volunteering innawoods moving boulders and cutting down trees hell no i'm not wearing that kind of boot.
              up on the mountains hiking, yeah obviously those aren't winter boots, but if a better all rounder exists enlighten me. i only see glued boots on other people when i'm anywhere like that. lots of la sportivas and the likes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Si19cZg.jpg

                its not like mountaineering boots aren't kind of sneakerlike these days either

                I see. Well there is a hidden group of outers you don't meet a lot, probably because you don't run across them on the AT or on the E5 or whereever you are from.
                There are the people who make the trails and spend their time where other people don't go, and then there are the people who start walking on our trails. Once we notice there is normies walking on our trails we go somewhere else and make new trails.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There are the people who make the trails
                i volunteer all the time with my state and i did forest service when i was younger. its actually mostly boomer hippies, college students getting school credit (only the volunteer programs, they don't sign up for forestry) and rednecks who make the trails at least around here.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm thinking of getting them for hunting or should I spend double on their hunters

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i defend leather high boots on this board 24/7 like some kind of logger combat boot internet defence force, but i have to concede that this is probably true for most people. 9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfuck the catalog with threads about trailrunners

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My sister's friend spent a grand on custom made cowboy boots. Made to fit her feet. Anyways after they were delivered she got rid of them because they pinched.
        Lol
        Lmao even

        Do you own a pair of whites?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          nope, but i live in a mcdonalds ball pit full of combat boots. i got 1980s usgi jungle boots, 2003 usgi mildew resistant speedlace boots, french double buckles, and austrian paras. i got so many callouses, i run in my combat boots with no socks now. when i go outdoors for real, i take the french double buckles - rest of the time i use the 2003 usgis because they're comfy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've worn Camadian combat boots and parade boots. They're practical and well made. Normies cry about them but I've never had a problem. I don't think the whites are the same thing as issue combat boots. Or maybe they are and that's the real redpill on boots.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              one of the big things i think about is DMS vs welted, sole depth, sole pattern, and rubber softness - all in relation to lifespan. the disadvantage of DMS boots is that they aren't really supposed to be resoled. welted boots can be resoled, but they can also delaminate in the field, which is a slight nuisance. DMS boots are generally chaper than welted ones. my 2003 usgis are DMS construction with a relatively soft rubber compound for military boots, but with a depth of about 1.3cm in the lugs and a sole pattern (pic related) with a massive area of contact with the ground - to where, i'm confident it'll take 4 - 5 years for them to actually wear down - and by that point, if they were welted boots, i probably wouldn't even want to repair them. on the other hand, if you get jungle boots with panama soles (which are also DMS), those things can wear down in 1 - 2 years while the leather is still in perfectly servicable condition. you have to think about bang for buck

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                lifespan also depends on the type of leather. my austrian paratroopers were made in 2014, and i acquired them in late 2019. i don't know how many conscripts used them between those years, but they were definitely used. i abused the crap out of them for about 2 years, kicking sharp rocks and walking through thorns constantly, and to this day they still nearly look flawless. then you've got those french double buckles i mentioned, which i've only owned for half the time - and they're great, but they're already covered in deep scratches. i reckon the shinier your boots are, the more resistant they'll be to damage - and my experiences with other boots seem to confirm this. might have something to do with the tanning process

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                These boots in your pic are 10/10 top tier

                Wore a pair for like a fucking decade, they were waterproof up until they fell to pieces.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                source for boots pls

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                brand new from altama or mcrae. make sure they're not made in the filippines if you buy altama. mcrae is the better manufacturer, but if you buy military contract altama is good too. you can still find new military contract ones on ebay sometimes

                https://i.imgur.com/9vLKeKM.jpg

                >BS. Your a shizo.
                they need to mark what posts are made with a janny. something like a big yellow star would work.

                nobody looks like that though

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BS. Your a shizo.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Awesome boots but I don't think you have the patience and endurance to break these in. Besides, you live in a city and walk on concrete all day when you are not masturbating in your mom's basement.

        Your lesbian boots?
        You know how bad the domestic violence is in those relationships anon?

        morons. I only wear leather boots and do stuff innawoods and have you ever broken in a pair of hockey skates? Fuck you

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and have you ever broken in a pair of hockey skates?
          As a matter of fact I haven't. Your boots are still dyke level.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I also defend logger boots and combat boots, but only because I piss myself laughing imagining other anons wasting their money and hurting their feet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >9/10 of them are going to wear boots like OPs for 30 minutes, say "OOOOHH OUCHIE" and then sell them on ebay and then spamfuck the catalog with threads about trailrunners
        well its more than that
        >4 months break in period vs boots you can replace mid way through a thru hike with no break in
        >half the time they're not comfortable after they break in, you have to be 100% sure on your sizing and it usually takes several pairs to get it right
        >costs more per year and more per mile than throwing a glued boot in the trash every 2-3 years
        >retards like to think uncomfortable shoes "makes them a man" it actually just gives you blisters and limits the range you can hike (sounds cucked)
        at the end of the day i see zero value in having the upper of my boot last 20 years unless its benefiting me in the field (it doesn't) or saves me money (it doesn't)
        i think most anons just hear "repairable" and "lasts 20 years" and completely neglect that this comes with the caveat of constant maintenance. if those style of boots were actually any good why don't mountaineering brands make them? they're obsolete and mostly a fashion statement now. there's no functional advantage.

        I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.

        >I always wear wool socks year round
        wool only "stays warm when wet" when its moderately damp. once its saturated it provides no warmth. something you might want to know before you lose toes somewhere or wind up with trench foot thinking your wool socks are magical.
        anon is correct that the only decently waterproof boots are glued.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >wool this wool that
          Ooooh you're so smart. Shut up fag I wear wool year round. Never too hot, never too cold, still comfy when damp, rasy to dry, don't need washed often.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yearly resole
          This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wore the same pair of Redwing logger boots for four years building cell towers. Still wear them to run chainsaws inna woods. They are 24 years old and never been resoled.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    /chudheel/ general.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    3 yrs old these boots MOG all you gays. Even the laces are original.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice boot porn. post more. Are those redwings?

      I actually don't care if boots aren't completely water proof since I always wear wool socks year round and wet leather dries quickly. I'm more concerned about breathability. Waterproof boots get sweated in and never dry as long as you're wearing them. Standing still that sweat becomes very cold. I only use waterproof sealed boots in the -30 and even them you must be sure to keep th dry. I have many rubber glued boots and ironically only use them as a work boot.

      You don't sweat in the Lundhags not even in summer. There is no goretex and no lining its like a regular leatherboot in terms of breathability. if you want most breathable the loggers and lundhags are best, the mountain boots/perfekts have a thick leather padding that will be too much in the summer. The only problem I have with my loggers is the stiff sole. They are made for 10 mile work days, not for 15-20 mile hunting or hiking days. They are almost as stiff like the highest class crampon mountaineering boots.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post euro logger boots? These must be some old school things eh? Just curious, I'm a European logger.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They are a mix of old and new having a synthetic lining on the inside and the outside is 100% oldschool euro logger boot.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anyway I dont think loggers are for serious outdoor adventures. They are just too stiff. They are work boots for maximum durability.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah are they the tyrol fighters? My foreman and I have been eyeing them up for the next round of boots to request. Bit of a different design from all the modern stuff, I'd love a pair of them. Good find Anon.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > tyrol fighters?
              No, its the toughest model they had. There is one with even thicker leather. I think you'll be fine with the tyrol fighters. The one I have is really closer to an absolutely stiff category D mountaineering boot than a work boot. I dont like to wear anything that is stiffer than the sole of a category C boot, at least not all day. (I use the Meindl Perfekt for making wood most of the time not this one).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah they're the last of the roughnecks. It seems as if RW only sells mocs with those gay white heelless soles, now. I treated these regularly with dubin and recently started polishing them. I've worn them for everything from hiking to city walking. I also have a pair of Iron Rangers I can show off.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How’s the weather in Australia, mate?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are Redwings good as an all purpose boot or am I being memed?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I work in the oil patch and literally everyone wears them. Just be careful about their madeinchina goyslop lines.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good allrounder, but if you regularely wear them in thickets, undergrowth or on rock fields I'd get something more expendable. The outer leather will wear down like on any other random boot. I'd stay out of thorny undergrowth, sharp rock, climbing etc. They are great for normie terrain like roads, hiking trails including moutain trails, and other cleared terrain like graslands and forest floor, the occasional wetland maybe. The good thing about them is they don't stand out too much in cities like normal hiking boots and they last a lot longer.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its also a boot that you'll let dry completely after a day of use before you wear it again. The guys that can afford those usually have 2 or 3 pairs of those kind of boots on rotation. So not exactly a daily use kind of through-and-throw away boot when you consider they are made to last 20 years or more with that kind of proper maintenance.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah they’re pretty good. Wore out a pair and bought another. I’ve never tried a 650$ pair of whites but they beat out chink wallmart boots. Beware: some of their boots are now outsourced, make sure you don’t buy them!

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    reminder
    your boots don't "last 20 years"
    the upper does.
    you have to replace the outsole constantly and pay someone for the service unless you're a fuckin cobbler
    it costs more money than just buying new glued boots every 2k miles and the glued boots outperform or are the same on EVERY metric: protection (rubber toe cap) waterproofness (glued seams) breathability (canvas sections can be added easily) weight (far less material, 1lb on foot = 5lb in pack) any other aspect of boots like traction etc is the same.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the only advantage to resolable boots in 2022:
    not having to worry about a boot you like going out of production or changing
    i can't think of any other advantage
    if one exists please enlighten me otherwise its /in/tard larpshit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      glued boots have their uses. When you are on deployment or when you are on long trips where you can't dry and maintain them properly and you expect them to break by the end of the trip. For the occasional PrepHole trip? debatable but In daily use they suck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      reminder
      your boots don't "last 20 years"
      the upper does.
      you have to replace the outsole constantly and pay someone for the service unless you're a fuckin cobbler
      it costs more money than just buying new glued boots every 2k miles and the glued boots outperform or are the same on EVERY metric: protection (rubber toe cap) waterproofness (glued seams) breathability (canvas sections can be added easily) weight (far less material, 1lb on foot = 5lb in pack) any other aspect of boots like traction etc is the same.

      Why shilling chinkshit so much

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        both boots i posted are made in italy
        search is your friend

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the main reason. I'm sick of falling in love with a pair of boots only to lose them when the sole falls off 3 years later and it's muh discontinued model.
      Looking at you Teva you fucks

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    something like 4d gtx's or renegades... basically a running shoe midsole with a glued boot built around it.. nothing with a leather or pu midsole is getting close to that in comfort. they weigh less than a pair of skate shoes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are not boots. They're sneakers. Your not going to wear them in the field trust me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        of course you could wear them "in the field" - just depends on where you wear them, and personal preference. you could wear socks and sandals, or no shoes at all "in the field"

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its not like mountaineering boots aren't kind of sneakerlike these days either

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fuckin gay man. I hate that kind of gear. The thought of wearing stuff like that provokes thoughts of anhero.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    usually sneaker type midsole with glued construction, i think keeping toes is favored over how long the boot lasts

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what i don't understand is
    so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern
    where do they even get their gear? everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
    anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the cycle of life for a trail around here tends to be
    - logging company or us forest service rough cuts trail
    - logging companies will usually finish their trails, forest service doesn't
    - bunch of boomers and college students volunteer and slowly turn the rough cut trails into hiking trails (building switchbacks, bridges, removing organics which around here means buried trees but other regions the forest service is less sloppy with the rough work, all the finish work etc)
    forestry gang is all hicks
    volunteer gang is all boomers hippies & students

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there is a hidden group of
      no that's not how mountaineering works
      you have to get permits to go a lot of places, not just in the west, a lot of countries regulate this stuff heavily too
      to get permits you will either have to be invited with a group or hire a guide
      for either of those to happen you have to have like $20-50k invested in brightly colored gear
      i don't think these anons actually exist, i think its fantasy

      Yeah, as I said, you don't know where we go and that's a good thing.

      what i don't understand is
      so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern
      where do they even get their gear? everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
      anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?

      >what i don't understand is so if PrepHole is so full of alpine style badass chad mountaineers who hate "bright gay colors" and everything modern where do they even get their gear?
      Not from REI.
      >everything for mountaineering is bright colors so you can be located by s&r. or white colored military stuff.
      You only need a single vs 17 panel on your first or second line gear. everything else is government misinfo. (its now illegal to have a camo tent or tarp in norway btw)
      >anyone got a pic of one of these guys on a mountain?
      No, we don't take selfies but you can have a view from my mountain. Actually no, you can only look up it. You have to climb it yourself if you want to see the vista. I also build a marked trail up there and now I don't go there anymore because normies started using it. And you know what the worst thing for any redditor is? The government doesnt even know this trail exists. You're not going to find any infos about this mountain even though its only 3 clicks from the most popular trail in my country and I connected my trail to it. To find places like this you actually have to go outside.

      >you have to get permits
      Once you "have" to get permits - meaning you actually face practical consequences - to do something its too late. Better go somewhere else. the place is already cucked. And what's your obsession with mountaineering? There is a subreddit for the brightly colored stuff and the gay people, this place is about the PrepHole experience and not sport.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually you can find something, looks like the normies and tubers finally found it.

        https://www.mywanderfullife.de/en/kungsleden-rest-day-kaitumjaure/

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        1500 meters? come on anon that's like the mountains in my back yard.
        what an embarrassment.
        are you kidding me? my grandma can hike up that.
        she did in that blog! LOL!

        >wool this wool that
        Ooooh you're so smart. Shut up fag I wear wool year round. Never too hot, never too cold, still comfy when damp, rasy to dry, don't need washed often.

        >Shut up fag I wear wool year round
        learn materials science dolt.

        >yearly resole
        This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

        you don't hike very much, that's why. you're an /in/tard.

        >yearly resole
        This is absolute bufoonery, I've yet to resolve my 3 yr old 300 dollar red wings. Literally nobody has to resole yearly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How do I know anon doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

        you said yourselves, yearly resoles. you only hike 200 miles a year?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you need to go back chud.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh science
          >wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking
          >antibacterial properties
          >hollow fibers means it works as an insulator
          >air dries relatively quickly if hung out
          Hows that fot science retard but nevermibd because I actually wear wool on the regular so I'm not like you and larping in my mom's basement.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            please you moron
            learn what "saturated" means you english second language freak.
            >hollow fibers means it works as an insulator
            not when saturated. idiot.
            >air dries relatively quickly if hung out
            >wool holds a third of its weight in water making it good for wicking
            these are mutually exclusive you idiot. if it holds a lot of water and wicks well its bad at drying. you can't have both. learn materials science you goblin.
            wool is the slowest drying material of all the choices, except cotton.
            what the fuck are you talking about "dries relatively fast"
            you are insane.

            you need to go back chud.

            mohammed says what?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Of course when it's saturated it's not going to work. I never said it did. But who the fuck walks around in saturated anything. At that point you need to change.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                read the post i was quoting. it was an anon saying he doesn't need waterproof boots because of his magical merino socks. use your head and think a little bit. when your boots leak the sock is saturated. they're inside your boot. its not like they're getting misted on like a sweater might.
                i'm correct, am i not? it does not matter what your sock is made of if your boot is leaking.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                OK I made that post. When I say leather is not waterproof plus I wear wool, what I mean is water makes its way in eventually and makes the inside wet but because wool and leather breath, it will eventually dry and then be easy to dry given the opportunity. I have saturated my boots and socks and continued hiking. The discomfort was slight, and eventually the material started to dry as I walked, probably because those kinds of materials are breathable and air is circulating as you walk. If you are in freezing conditions and somehow get wet to the point I'd saturation, you need to change. With sealed synthetic materials, you might not get wet as fast, but when you do from sweat or external conditions, you won't get dry and you will be uncomfortable. Same applies, once you're saturated you have to change. Another factor is fire. Natural materials absorb heat when they burn, minimizing burns to your skin or are relatively resistant to burning. Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's how it is. Unlined or simple leather boots you can walk them dry or damp with wool socks even after crossing a stream that touched your pipi.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Are you talking about when you fall in the water? Because that's when it becomes saturated. Or heavy rain but in that case you're going to stay under cover or don a poncho. The point of wool is it breathes in damp conditions. Ask the 1000s of years of sailors or mountain men who wore wool. Get out of the house once in awhile man.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              what kind of sad freak are you that you collect all this "outdoor data" and "outdoor facts" from social media and marketing propaganda and then spout those mantras on this based board. We can all tell you don't actually have any experience, you probably don't even go PrepHole.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                okay now that i'm done shitposting, cool mountain, norway is quite pretty.

                its from a guy's blog who tested it. the beauty of these things is that they're replicable. you can test it out for yourself, as can i. in a land of cheaply made foreign goods i'd suggest testing out your gear as much as possible before depending on it.

                OK I made that post. When I say leather is not waterproof plus I wear wool, what I mean is water makes its way in eventually and makes the inside wet but because wool and leather breath, it will eventually dry and then be easy to dry given the opportunity. I have saturated my boots and socks and continued hiking. The discomfort was slight, and eventually the material started to dry as I walked, probably because those kinds of materials are breathable and air is circulating as you walk. If you are in freezing conditions and somehow get wet to the point I'd saturation, you need to change. With sealed synthetic materials, you might not get wet as fast, but when you do from sweat or external conditions, you won't get dry and you will be uncomfortable. Same applies, once you're saturated you have to change. Another factor is fire. Natural materials absorb heat when they burn, minimizing burns to your skin or are relatively resistant to burning. Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.

                its less about discomfort and more about
                - when your sock's wet.. that's how ya get blisters, and blisters become bigger problems.
                - goes without saying you can't let your socks get wet in mountain conditions. same reason you have to pace yourself to not sweat at times.
                on shorter trips you can just hike through it but we're what-if-ing the situations where that's not a choice, either because the distance back home is too great to hike with a blistered up foot or because its cold enough to lose a foot. because yes you're right, most of the times it doesn't matter.
                >Most synthetics burn quickly because they don't absorb as much heat and most melt to your skin. If you don't believe me, look into how the military developed the flight suit and how most dangerous workplaces recommend only light cotton or wool undergarments.
                this is the best objective argument against synthetics and the main reason you'll find me not always wearing synthetics.
                a quick sleeve graze of the campfire in your puffy is no big deal, tenacious tape exists.
                but say you're hiking near a wildfire? or tasked with putting one out? or you fall into a campfire (seen it happen with people NOT drunk! it can happen!)
                puffy jackets aren't too far off from a chest coating of napalm.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the other thing with wool. You won't get blisters as easily. I've never gotten blisters from wet wool. In the Canadian military during training you are issued wool socks. Not once did I get a blister. Granted you change your socks often, but that's true of anything. I've only ever gotten blisters wearing socks with synthetic blends, provalt. Because when they get wet they tend to stick and then release making them abrasive when wet. Wool, I find, will rub but it slides over your skin more easily.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Change your socks often and keep your feet dry, retard. Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the other thing with wool. You won't get blisters as easily. I've never gotten blisters from wet wool. In the Canadian military during training you are issued wool socks. Not once did I get a blister. Granted you change your socks often, but that's true of anything. I've only ever gotten blisters wearing socks with synthetic blends, provalt. Because when they get wet they tend to stick and then release making them abrasive when wet. Wool, I find, will rub but it slides over your skin more easily.

                goalpost shift.
                >Natural fibers work better in every circumstance. Polyester and nylon blends are the goyslop of garments.
                not really.
                also no mention of polypropylene, because you're cucked by environmentalism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Goyslop poster here. I wear polypropylene to work and even that needs to be kept dry. Quits working when SATURATED

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ye but it dries under 1/15th the time of wool, its more durable, and neither one smells

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dries faster
                Probably true most cases
                >more durable
                Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience. Really just depends what it's subject too
                >smell
                Wool has a distinctive smell, but its a nice smell. Wool is naturally antibacterial and doesn't take on nasty sweat smells. I haven't washed my ll bean commando in 4 years. Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly. You can wear wool for a week and only smell of wool and campfire.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Synthetics on the other hand take on bacteria and not shed the bacteria leaving the synthetic disgusting and smelly
                polypro is a middleground where it holds no moisture and isn't a great environment for bacteria to grow on. its not antimicrobial like wool but it doesn't stank right away like nylon and polyester either. there actually is an antimicrobial version of polypro which reportedly works quite well but its currently prohibitively expensive to use in gear.
                polypro also interacts with liquids completely differently than polyester and nylon. its extremely hydrophobic and doesn't wick. try non wicking baselayers sometime it completely changed how i think about layering.
                >Depends what stresses, extreme heat/cold has negative effects on synthetics in my experience.
                Wool socks always get that nasty slick glossy feeling after a while. Polypro doesn't. Get a polypro liner sock wear it with a wool oversock and it will change your life.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                janny post

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Picrel is 3 yr old soles on a pair of Goodyear welted leather and rubber red wings never resoled worn year round for everything. $300. Even the laces are original.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/QZhwsVw.jpg

            its the same outsole as glued boots. they use the same generic vibrams. if you hike infrequently enough that you go 3 years without a resole then you will be getting 3+ years from a glued boot and need to adjust the math accordingly. its based on mileage. how many miles do you hike in a year, do you think?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Those boots cost me 300 dollars gay. I've hiked probably a 1000 miles? Idk

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                why compare all rounder boots to specialized mountaineering boots to begin with? they're not even for the same purpose.

                Are you talking about when you fall in the water? Because that's when it becomes saturated. Or heavy rain but in that case you're going to stay under cover or don a poncho. The point of wool is it breathes in damp conditions. Ask the 1000s of years of sailors or mountain men who wore wool. Get out of the house once in awhile man.

                >Are you talking about when you fall in the water?
                well we're deep in the land of hypotheticals so the type of welt and stitch construction would matter a lot.
                the better kinds like storm welts? as you describe.
                but quite a few types of stitch construction? it will pull water into the shoe through capillary effect. read about the history of boot construction methods and why they were changed over time and ultimately replaced with cemented construction if you want to learn more about the limitations instead of taking a random anon's word for it.
                there's truth to cheapening being why cemented construction came to footwear in general but with outdoor gear it was actually quite a revolutionary improvement to the gear as it allowed boots to be more waterproof, lighter, and just better in every way.
                the only downside is you toss the upper out every few years.
                that's it.
                wasteful, but it doesn't even save much money.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there is a hidden group of
    no that's not how mountaineering works
    you have to get permits to go a lot of places, not just in the west, a lot of countries regulate this stuff heavily too
    to get permits you will either have to be invited with a group or hire a guide
    for either of those to happen you have to have like $20-50k invested in brightly colored gear
    i don't think these anons actually exist, i think its fantasy

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    like the "1500 meters monster mountain" anon its a clueless newbie who read "hurr durr merino warm when wet" on reddit or google and thinks it means he's immune to gangrene. funny. good thing most of you guys stay indoors.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Damn i’d wear those with my thigh highs and my pigtails and my school girl outfit and go clubbing

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it does melt like napalm probably worse than polyester though be aware

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    there is no perfect fabric and every single one has major advantages none of the other ones can offer. wool will never be anywhere near as rugged as nylon, and nylon will never feel good against the skin. for example.
    know when and where each is most ideal and what environments they can be taken advantage in.
    personally i quite like the combination of a wool tank top with a nylon spandex button down shirt over top for my 3 seasons general normal weather base layers. for an example. a lot of the advantages of wool, but it can take a snag from some sticker bushes and shrug it off, and my pits never sweat.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wore a pair this summer. White bite is real try the 213 lace

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ignore the chud trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays. Logging boots and other super stiff boots are great for working not for crossing distances off-trail or hiking. For that get boots that are one level softer.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ignore the chud trying to derail every thread with his reddit tier rambling essays.
      moron.
      you don't get to post that after conceding i am right about every single point i made.
      you're that norwegian anon who always posts polaroid selfies who shits up the catalogue with these threads all summer, right? you look like a 40 year old chud that gave up half way through in your pics.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/4QWN4pG.jpg

        look at the spinoff thread you made
        they're all making fun of you for not knowing what mountaineering boots are

        I never made any threads on 4chin. Not norwegian or swedish either. You're on some kind of booze, chud?

        Ah, right. post your essays about polypropylene and your little marketing charts. at least I cant smell your polypro underwear from here.

        Remember that time you recommended finnish anon to wear nylon stockings and long sleeve for better moisture transportation. Good ol times.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          did you run out of horse piss, chud?

          [...]

          don't think i'm going to forget you look like an actual detransitioned 40 year old transsexual irl.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I will find you and make you apologize.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              haha did any of you guys see the "goyslop of boots" thread?
              the guy shilling leather midsoles and calling me names itt admitted to being the janny then warned me for "racism" and deleted the entire thread.
              because i asked one simple question:
              why don't any well regarded and popular mountaineering boots use a leather midsole?
              example:
              https://www.scarpa.co.uk/scarpa-technical/#TechnicalMidsoleBlock
              >the guy shilling leather boots and saying 4d gtx's aren't good is the janny
              >probably gets paid to shill the brands he links
              >deletes entire threads and warns you for "racism" for posting about fucking boots

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                BS. Your a shizo. Thread is still up and I'm not a janny.
                >leather midsoles
                Totally unrelated to anything I said. Why should I bother answering such a ridiculous question? You asking it only proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. Post your boot collection or don't bother replying. I wanna see your trailrunners, quest 4ds, and your scarpa, trango, la sportiva mountainboots. Prove that you have real experience beyond buying a pair of salomons on sale and show us that you have the boots and used them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Thread is still up and I'm not a janny.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      look at the spinoff thread you made
      they're all making fun of you for not knowing what mountaineering boots are

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://archive.alice.al/out/search/text/goyslop/type/op/
      is there another PrepHole archive? whole thread is missing from it. i wanted to show you guys proof this guy

      is a chud janny paid shill

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a dog walker, can anyone suggest me some nice winter boots?

    I'm in England so it doesn't have to be built for snow or anything but we get a lot of mud, I just need something dry lightweight and comfortable, but can't really find anything

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Temps around freezing, ankle deep mud, offtrail dog terrain (meadows, fields, hills, clear forest floor), require dry feet: There is nothing better than Meindl dovre extrem or Lundhags Forest (size larger with double socks). You can get them cheaper from finnland (varuste.net) or wait for a sale. I got both of mine for less than 160 pounds UK.
      If on the other hand you want long lasting (decades) stitched boots like OP you're not going to find them in the lightweight category and they wont be comfortable from the start.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Will see if I can catch them on sale! Can you suggest anything that isn't tall boot as I'd like to be able to drive in them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically look at altberg

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.lowaboots.com/mens/backpacking-mountain-hunting/tibet-gtx-sepia-black

    a far better option.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No man. Very comfortable boot right out of the box I can attest to that but you see that little strip of webbing that holds the eyelet to secure your heel in place? That's going to rip first and the boot is a lot more chunky in feel than the Meindl Extreme Dovre. The Tibet is a proper mountain trekking boot, not ideal for the field, or for walking the dog next to a trail.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >soaks sweat, mud, and water like a sponge and holds it. Hard to dry. Lots of plastics and glues etc.
      No thanks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why the fuck do morons ruin otherwise good boots by making them out of nubuck? everything about the marketing says they're for hiking, not work boots.
      almost as retarded as the aged out sweden yes! chud telling everyone they should be hiking in work boots.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nubuk leather is lighter than juchten. that's what's important to glue fags.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I need some boots for my first wildland fire season next year. Are these whites boots really worth the money. It seems like everyone recommends them but I don't have the money. Can I get by with something cheaper?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, just buy cheaper all leather workboots.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which agency? The Forest Service has a $500 boot stipend you can use whenever you go on pay status. I think the BLM has something too but I've never worked with them so idk. I used that to get a pair of JK Boots fitted in Boise. Normally a $600+ boot that I paid a little over 100 out of pocket for.

      Other than that if there's one piece of equipment you should break the bank for on wildland stuff, it's your boots and your socks. You do not want to be half a season in and find out your boots are are tearing up your feet. Whites and Danners both got outsourced to Chinese manufacturers iirc so their quality took a dip. JK Boots are basically the same guys but weren't outsourced and retain the original design specs. I like my pair and I haven't heard anything bad about them yet. Haix Missoulas are another popular pair I hear about often, but I've never tried them.

      We should really have something for wildland stuff in the sticky, there's enough questions about it frequently that I feel it's warranted

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >BS. Your a shizo.
    they need to mark what posts are made with a janny. something like a big yellow star would work.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    thread isn't up. everything else in your post is a lie. you look like an elderly chud irl too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Check hidden threads. Also show us your boots or I'm calling bullshit on everything you said.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        chud janny
        you work all day
        many hours little pay
        chud janny
        have you checked the front page?
        16 boot threads that 250 anons saged
        delete these threads we've had our fun
        before the advertisers turn tail and run!

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whites are chinese dogshit now, get a real man's boot like JK.

    Mine are 2 seasons deep and still going.
    >Nicks are ok too I guess

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have 3 Brandecosse country boots (Diemme), varying types. Still breaking them in ages later. Leather is insanely thick.
    https://www.brandecosse.com/

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    for real; what is the purpose of the false tongue? I'm not saying it doesn't have one I'm genuinely curious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >false tongue
      its called a kiltie, just acts as another layer as leather, really doesnt do much.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    anything above 6" is bullshit as a FFT1 on a Type 1 crew fuck government regulations / traditions on gear

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, you anons are serious about your boots. Here I am wearing walmart brand... >.>

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have a pair of keen leather boots that I have had for 5 years and use for work, hiking around 3-5 miles 5 days a week. Tread is still there, a bit of the sole is peeling off, and some gouges have made it not totally waterproof anymore, but still pretty close. 145 dollars, can't beat that.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My pair of red wing logger boots.

    Wore them for a year and a half working in the coast guard until my unit got me a new pair of boots. After I just wore them as daily boots and outdoor boots. Had them for about 2 years now.

    I dont wear them too much anymore. I got a pair of Lowas and they're much lighter. I'd still wear these if I was doing any kind of outdoor work though

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