This is BORING. Some sort of civil war set 200 years before GoT, why would I care about that? It has nothing to do with the story presented in GoT.
This is like making a Breaking Bad prequel about Walts ancestor who was an alchemist or something during the middle ages. Ridiculous.
They're basically banking on that so people might not associate it with utter trainwreck that was the original show's ending.
Pretty sure hardcore AOIAF fans want to see the valyrian civilization at its peak
So not this show then given it's two centuries after the Doom.
>the seven kingdoms are valyrian civilization at its peak
That's like comparing the usa with the roman empire
Yeah the Roman Empire is a joke in comparison
you mean the frankish empire with the roman empire, you history-challenged pleb
>Breaking Bad prequel about Walts ancestor who was an alchemist or something during the middle ages
They should do this though.
It's dragons fighting dragons and one of the major events of the most important house in GoT
Was this civil war even mentioned in GoT?
Yes, the main character from the new show is mentioned in this scene.
Yes, it's brought up multiple times as the reason why there's no more dragons.
Yes, in the episode where Stannis murders his daughter.
The "Dance of the Dragons" is mostly mentioned in the books and the lore books in particular. It's a huge moment in the show's deepest lore, as there was a succession crisis and the Targaryans devolved into infighting and a LOT of violent as hell shit happened (including the sadistic choice moment with one character's two children) and was the moment when the Targaryans lost nearly all of the dragons and came out of the civil war heavily decimated and weakened politically and militarily.
Yes, it's literally the main reason House Targaryen got decimated and why they no longer had dragons.
are these new Targeryans also immune to fire like Daenyris? how are you supposed to kill a dragon with more dragon fire?
you do have a point, it kind of highlights how absurd the "immune to fire" thing is, since Dany was only very briefly immune during the events of a one in a thousand years ritual.
no, they're not immune, it was somewhat expected when you were a Targ that if you tried to go tame one of the wild dragons around Dragonstone, you'd be as likely to get roasted and eaten as you were to get a new dragon.
Dany was never immune to fire in the books, she walks into Drogo's funeral pyre and only survived because the dragons created a protective orb around her, she still lost her hair and burnt herself a bit.
George even tried to make it as crystal clear as possible for people that thought Dany was actually immune to fire by straight up saying in Fire and Blood that Targs are not immune, and even had a schizo Targ called Aerion Brightflame drink wildfire and burst into flames because he thought he was a dragon.
Dany also suffers burns in ADWD when Drogon in chimping out.
uau, I never heard about that. usually when people talk about differences between the books and the show they never mention it, they only talk about Robb's wife being a different girl, Arya's friend (forgot his name) being a mix of two book characters, etc
Dany's incidental 'immunity' a few times in the very first book were supposed to be signs that she was enacting a ritual without realizing it, that she was "unconsciously" performing it, like some sort of genetic memory.
but after that, she was never immune to fire. it was part of a moment in time for a very unique set of circumstances.
the show turned it into gurlpower and was like, "hur dur she's immune superpower"
The ritual at the end of Got, as anon said
is literally a one-in-a-milllion occurence where Dany pretty much flawlessly performed the steps of an ancient Valyrian ritual. Remember, she didn't just burn Drogo and the dragon eggs, she also burnt Mirri, a witch from the Shadow lands of Asshai, right during a once every thousand years red comet.
Throughout the book, she has strange premonitions/ dreams that subconsciously teach her how to bring Dragons to life.
Needs more rape.
This will be less sex. More men butts
I will now watch your GOT
I hope they do brothel queens, but I know they won't.
>YAAAS FEMINIST KEEN, SLAA-
>WHAT THE FRICK!?
that's not confirmed as fact, it was just another wild tale about Rhaenyra as power slipped through her hands toward the end.
But the source is the guy who was actually there and a blackgay, a personal friend of Rhaenyra's.
two main sources are Eustace, who preferred Aegon II, and Munkun, who wasn't there at the time. Mushroom embellished everything he wrote, and would have written the nickname long after Rhaenyra was dead. It was thought Aegon II spread the rumors in KL to destablize her rule.
The thing is, while salacious, Mushroom was the only one actually there for the entire thing. And he was Rhaenyra's friend. Why would he be the one spreading dark rumors about her? There's a big gap between, "yeah, she and I were totally fricking lol XD" to "she had her stepmom and half-sister gangraped to forcibly impregnate them".
He documented it later on, he wasn't the one spreading it at the time. It was Eustace, who hated her, and Munkun, who was just a peon. Then it was Aegon II as well.
Mushroom documented it later and turned it into a wild tale, because all involved were dead and gone.
If my memory serves me, Eustace was just going around, being a janny for the greens, sanitizing their motives and downplaying their acts. I don't really remember him demonizing the blacks. I could be wrong though, it's been years since I've read the book. It wasn't very good.
He preferred Aegon II over Rhaenyra, found her distasteful or w/e.
Yea, but I don't remember him ever saying she's a monster. Just that she was a brat with bastards who didn't have a legal right to the throne. All of which were true. His main concern was prettying up the greens.
Hopefully it has magic and sheeeet
It has dragons.
Probably will have some magic via red priests etc.
omg so true op
what if instead they made a GoT show set in modern times? with planes and computers and stuff? and there's wildfire nukes and dragon drones. that'd be pretty lit.
The first episode aired at some event. There's a streamer who saw it who isn't pozzed who covered a lot of the problems of GoT, how David & Dan ruined the original show, etc.
Here's a quote from him I've transcribed from the livestream he did yesterday talking about the concerns some people have about HotD based on what he saw in the episode:
>I think a lot of people were afraid of that, because obviously there's a lot of "feminism" - to use a modern term that doesn't really apply to medieval context - there's a lot of themes about a male primogeniture who can inherit, and Alicent, and Rhaenyra and Rhaenys, these female characters that are restricted in their power. So, you know, some people worried that it was going to be too... you know... "oh, if all the men would just get out of the way, the women would sort things out!" Like well no, that's too transparent, and that's not a deep story. We're seeing that although they're dealing with these themes, each character is compelling in their own right.
The streamer is David Lightbringer, he said as well that he carefully considered the episode, didn't want to come off like he was paid off by HBO or falling prey to the hype or anything, and still gave a very positive impression to the premiere.
Oh and some more things he said - he said it feels more like Westeros than early GoT, he said the storytelling makes use of a lot of flashbacks and non-linear devices to cover the full lives of the characters. He said it's extremely dialogue-heavy with very little action, and that it manages to feel "epic" in scale without trying to be cinematic. All in all he genuinely gave it a 10/10.
>not pozzed
Wasn't he one of those that supported turning the velaryons black?
Defended, not supported. His reasoning is apolitical, he simply analyzed the change and gave some arguments on why it's fine lore-wise.
He sounds like a fricking homosexual.
The producers of this outspokenly want us all dead. Why give this feces the time of day? Wtf.
You two miss the point. The producers have an agenda to work in feminist rhetoric and diversity casting. But then, one of the best writers/directors from GoT is on the team, and so is GRRM. The question then is will the show be be good (from a writing/cinema perspective) despite corruption in casting and higher management? This is PrepHole not /misc/ after all, we're here to discuss TV. And the answer seems to be shaping out as, yes, we're getting quality like early GoT now that Dumb & Dumber are out of the picture.
>The question then is will the show be be good (from a writing/cinema perspective) despite corruption in casting and higher management?
No.
I hate to sound like a plebbitor but if you can't enjoy good writing because of diversity casting, you're seething. These are high-level problems that don't necessarily always correlate with poor writing. It IS possible to criticize and still enjoy the production if it's still done well.
Hey an all black game of thrones could be kino..In another timeline..this is gonna be ugly political bullfrick. Probably COVID allegories, all sorts of dumb shit that'll make you think of picrel if you were dumb enough to give this a try.
Imagine if the first Lord of the Rings film cast Gandalf as a young guy in his mid 20s or something and didn't give him a staff, but it was otherwise the same film. It would be weird and would draw fan criticism, but it would be moronic if a fan refused to see the film and called it a trash because of that one change.
Now compare them casting a velaryon as black. It has different motivations, but the same consequence on the writing as the example. The only reason it'd be different is if there's a /misc/ chud parasite in your brain where you can't stop thinking about BBC and getting mad every time the israelites force non-whites into your favorite tv shows.
>Imagine if the first Lord of the Rings film cast Gandalf as a young guy in his mid 20s or something and didn't give him a staff, but it was otherwise the same film. It would be weird and would draw fan criticism, but it would be moronic if a fan refused to see the film and called it a trash because of that one change.
I wouldn't see it. The idea that there is the one insane, unreasonable change but they actually nailed everything else is utter fricking nonsense. It's completely unbelievable. The same breed of sick twisted political horseshit will run through the script.
>The idea that there is the one insane, unreasonable change but they actually nailed everything else is utter fricking nonsense. It's completely unbelievable. The same breed of sick twisted political horseshit will run through the script.
The people who casted a black guy as Corlys aren't the same people who wrote the script, moron. We've got Ryan J. Condal and George Martin himself writing. When you consider most of the pozzed decisions like casting come from upper management it's actually very easy to believe they could frick up a few very specific major things without compromising the writing altogether.
No way you're white, I sense Black person. Post hand.
If upper management can affect things like the race of a character for the sake of pozzed diversity casting, what makes you think they also can’t heavily influence the writing and include equally stupid things into the show?
They certainly can, but it was my suspicion that they didn't due to GRRM and one of the best directors from GoT being at the head of the show, and my suspicions were confirmed with what's been said about the private airing of the first episode this week.
What’s being said about the private airing by a professional shill
Reputable youtubers and streamers who covered the train wreck of GoT got into the premiere, and consensus has been that it's excellent. The elements shown in the trailer (action, le feminist themes, catchphrases) were basically edited in, what we have is a slow-paced drama where every character is treated with respect by the script, the narrative has experimental non-linear elements, and the audience gets introduced to more in the first 5-10 minutes than in the entire first episode of GoT.
Not reading shilltroony LOL
No need to shill here, shill-kun. I'm going to pirate the first episode anyway, just so I can shitpost about it if it's terrible. So you get 1 episode to convince me that it's worth sticking with.
Alright Black person. Regardless of whether or not you read it, HBO is still paying me $5 for each reply to my posts on this thread, so thanks for the payout.
Grab another coffee on me, champ.
>The-the trailer is misleading! Disbelieve your own eyes and ears, its actually completely different!
KYS shill.
>Slow paced
Code for boring, pretentious garbage TV that wastes time with uneventful filler because the writers are too lazy.
>experimental non-linear elements
There have been countless non-linear movies and TV shows for decades, it's not a remarkable or "experimental" thing anymore. Yes, the previous GoT show wasn't like that, but nonlinear storytelling isn't in itself an interesting selling point, and your a homosexual for pretending it is.
Your entire post reads like shilling 101.
>has experimental non-linear elements,
Oh, just like Got did 8 years ago with multiple PoVs switching between them ? Kys shill.
>I wouldn't see it. The idea that there is the one insane, unreasonable change but they actually nailed everything else is utter fricking nonsense. It's completely unbelievable. The same breed of sick twisted political horseshit will run through the script.
Based anon BTFOing the disingenuous shills in this thread.
It does have lore ramifications on both examples.
For gandalf, I remember there being a point about the wizards focusing their power thru their staff and their age as a visible representation of how long they have walked the earth
And with the black velaryons, the blood of old valyria being diluted and mixed was a point of contention since the reason for inbreeding in the first place was to keep their genes as unaltered as possible.
So it goes beyond it being a nitpick and starts getting into plot hole of the backstory.
It's an indicator though of what the rest will be like.
>an all black game of thrones could be kino..In another timeline
There are black people in GURMs world, but naturally nobody is interested in making a show about them, even though the door is wide open since he hasn't written jack shit about like half the universe he made. No, instead they have to subvert. Remember how they said that race wasn't part of the plot anyway so stunt casting made no difference? Well it is here, and they did it anyway.
This is because they always lie and will immediately make up a new lie to justify breaking the previous logic. There is only one consistent rule.
The only thing the creators talk about is race and how they vehemently hate white people.
a show is only 25% writing
casting matters
direction matters
production matters
>oh but it has good writing
then I'll read the fricking book
I want to WATCH KINO NOT READ THE SCREENPLAYYYYYYY
Sure anon. I'm just betting hotd is going to survive. If you've been paying attention it's basically been confirmed that it has excellent direction and writing. It only has a problem with casting, and a lesser (almost nonexistent, but still present) problem with production.
Ok, it has 50% covered. That's still a F. Let me know when it gets 90%+, then I'll pay attention!
>One youtube homosexual said it was good
>"basically confirmed"
I mean I hope you're right and I agree with you that shit casting doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing will suck but your optimism seems pretty misplaced looking at like 90% of shows released in the past few years.
>I hate to sound like a plebbitor but if you can't enjoy good writing because of diversity casting
I can always just watch something else that has good writing and doesn't sabotage itself with moronic, political casting that looks ridiculous. Every time that the black pops up in the trailers I laugh aloud. He sticks out like a sore thumb and looks like a mop. It's a farce. It doesn't matter how good the writing could be, it's as silly looking as if they cast a cat and put it in a little medieval costume. There is no gravitas!
This. There's over a century of film out there, and more than half a century of television. Can easily find stuff to watch that doesn't have a giant stain over it (even assuming that is the only problem with the show, it probably isn't).
You very clearly ARE a plebbitor. Go back to that shithole.
Youre using common sense, thats not common on this board
Lore-wise??
Are there really any actual valid arguments that would explain why would one of the few remaining noble houses that have direct valyrian blood would willingly mix with island people that have next to no relation or contact with, other than far off trade contacts?
Honestly.
Securing alliances maybe
>Defended, not supported. His reasoning is apolitical
Not believable.
It's pretty believable when you consider the thought process
>You're a fan of GoT and excited for the show
>You find out they're screwing it up with diversity casting
>You search for justifications in the lore that can render the problem null
That's what he did, and he decided it works. A much better coping mechanism than seething.
>much better coping mechanism to dig up random unlikely lore reasons for something stupid than to not watch the show
Frick off shill homosexual
He didn't support it.
LMFAO are you joking? This series is gonna be the biggest yet most forgotten fart of all time. Second only to Lawd Dem Rangs homie.
Desperate shill attempt. Hopefully won't work on normies.
Out of all characters they made the ancient Valyrian nobles black
I would've made Criston Cole black instead if I really had to
>Out of all characters they made the ancient Valyrian nobles black
>I would've made Criston Cole black instead if I really had to
It's for demoralization. They WANT it to be conspicuous, out of place, and a violation of the lore. They WANT reasonable people to object. They WANT to piss you off because they hate you.
>lightbringer
more like wienersmoker
kys shill
This is the most blatant shill post I've ever seen
>manages to feel "epic" in scale without trying to be cinematic
What the frick does that even mean?
> All in all he genuinely gave it a 10/10.
Frick you.
>it feels more like Westeros than early GoT
how does he know what Westeros feels like if Game of Thrones is not an accurate presentation of it?
The books? Are you moronic?
>man who earns bread from people watching the show says people should watch the show
Wow, I am convinced that it's a 10/10 now!
>He said it's extremely dialogue-heavy with very little action, and that it manages to feel "epic" in scale without trying to be cinematic.
I'd love to believe it, but why hire Sapochnik to direct the show if he earned his reputation by directing the most action-heavy battle-cinematic episodes of game of thrones then?
you know, you shouldn't believe someone just because he says he's not being paid to say it.
> My favorite streamer isn't pozzed!
> #HouseOfTheDragonHBO very clearly has a *reverence* for the source material that exposes the racist anti-black-Velaryon talking points for the projections that they are.
>He said it's extremely dialogue-heavy with very little action
Now this is the only point of your shill post that I can believe. The War was fought with dragons and for the battles with dragons you need expensive CGI. Seeing how everything else looks cheap(just look at the wigs) HBO must have given the directors a shoestring budget.
Lmao that guy is self described sjw, his own words
Maario Naharis
How many season will this show be? You can easily tell this story with just one season but it's obviously going to be longer than that.
it's better not to tie it too closely to that shitshow of a final season
I hate this mutt’s moronic face. I hope the show fails hard.
It will, apparently they specifically say in the first episode that Aegon invaded and unified Westeros because he had a dream about the white walkers
Lmao
I thought that the reason in the books for the invasion was because some king denied his request for more land, so he chimped out and conquered all of it
Its never really explained why but at some point the storm king that ruled over the stormlands before the Baratheons offered his daughter in marriage but aegon refused and instead conquered the whole thing. I guess this would tie in with the Game of Thrones series, although funny enough with exception of maybe 2 or 3 Targaryen, none of them visited the North or checked the Wall or whatever. It's either weird, cheap fanservice or Martin finally kicked the bucket and realized since he never gonna finish he might as well put the info out.
White walkers the things that got killed by a teenage assassin? How the frick could anyone possible care about them?
Why does he need a united continent when all there is to it is a spunky teenage girl with a dagger?
>young rhaenyra looks like a 56% mutt with FAS
>young alicent looks 10 years older than old alicent
what were they thinking?
>young alicent looks 10 years older than old alicent
she doesn't
>here's your kings landing commoners bro
What the frick is the story of GoT?
Is this a serious question? It's epic fantasy, if you ask for a summary you are going to get an encyclopedia.
Imagine the American civil war, but there's like 5 sides instead of just 2. Better yet, think the Yugoslav wars but on a landmass the size of a continent and with medieval magic.
It's the war of the roses.
war of the roses is more GoT events, but this has some of it. It's honestly probably closer to the Anarchy.
The shill(s) in this thread are some of the most pathetic I’ve ever seen. It’s like they know the show is gonna be shit because they know it looks like shit, but they’re still fighting the losing battle. It’ll still probably be a success because of the normie brain’s inability to not consoom, but it’ll for sure be dogshit.
This might as well be Corlys Velaryon. It carries the same weight of gravitas. It says:
>We didn't even try to get it right, we did it wrong on purpose.
It's supposed to be a more realistic and grounded fantasy setting, regardless of the dragons.
Its one fantash universe and same families, all tied togather, in different times, whats so difficult to understand for your amerilard brain?
Martin had a few good books but was fizzling out even by feast of crows and most definitely by dance of dragons. The TV show was basically the same but they crashed that plane with no survivors.
I'm not too excited to see this. a least they bothered to hire attractive actresses the first go around. this just looks ugly
why does that homie have an eye patch in one scene, and not in others? does he lose his eye?
I think you're confusing two different characters, Matt Smiths character never wears the eye patch, that's Aemond Targaryen, he actually has a sapphire lodged into his eye hole in the books, I knew they would just have a boring eye patch in the show.
the more PrepHole hates it the more convinced I think it will be good
Yes this is a good indicator. Same happened with DUNC. It's sort of like how PrepHole despairposting and panic selling happens right before great economic boon.
I doubt PrepHole hates this more than ROP, they don’t watch it at all. Normies don't give a shit about fantasy anymore.
True. Even when there are legitimately terrible shows that warrant hate like PrepHole it never generates the seethe it deserves.
>Set 200 years in the past
>Westeros looks exactly the same with no changes in technology whatsoever
Anon you're moronic. It's visibly a completely different setting.
>A castle that was abandoned now has people in it
Wow. Completely different. The aerial shot of Kings Landing looks the exact same as GOT.
The casting of one actor really drives you guys fricking insane, doesn't it?
I'm going to watch it but I fricking well don't want to, the thread.
It's literally what sets up everything in GoT lol
the civil war weakens house Targaryen, sending them down the long road of decline and magic dies out. it's the mirror of GoT.
>This is like making a Breaking Bad prequel about Walts ancestor who was an alchemist or something during the middle ages. Ridiculous.
That sounds kind of amazing. I'd watch a failed physicist/mathematician turn to "Alchemy" to get rich off the masses, only to be constantly hunted by the Inquisition.
>It has nothing to do with the story presented in GoT.
That's a good thing
George R.R. Martin unironically got covid because he decided to attend this House of the Dragon panel at San Diego Comic Con.
The one time he decided to not be a NEET at home and work on his book, he caught covid.
>fat
>old
Might trip and become another covid statistic
he'll be fine
Speaking of Mushroom, did they cut him from the show?
>medieval scenery but without the medieval history and current woke politics and degeneracy instead
Cringefest
predict how many wieners Rhaenyra takes in the show
the first half of GoT has nothing to do with the latter half either. The show literally begins at an arbitrary point. Might as well have began it during Robert's Rebellion.
at this point you're just making up shit to seethe about
I'm not wrong. Entire characters and storylines had no point in the end. Like Stannis. They blew up half the cast when they couldn't figure out what to do with them.
I hope it will have BOAAARS though
> And just fwiw, so many people who know so much less than me about ASOIAF have told me in no uncertain terms that black Velaryons ruin the story, disrespect the source material… like guys this entire show was GRRM’s idea. He recruited Condal. He’s running HBO Westeros now.
Yep. Not pozzed at all.
If they turned house Velaryon black, how come Targs and Baratheons are white? Did they change their family trees?
Extensive bleaching.
How come? Targs are extremely inbred, and most of their non-inbred or Velaryon blood comes from mystery meat dornish.
>House Velaryon is of Valyrian descent, and its members often have Valyrian features, such as silver hair, purple eyes, and pale skin.
>and pale skin.
>Walts ancestor who was an alchemist or something during the middle ages
Jeník we need to cook.
>a Breaking Bad prequel about Walts ancestor who was an alchemist or something during the middle ages
kek
Stop bullying Rhaenyra. She is cute.
War of Ninepenny Kings was such an obvious slam dunk
>young Tywin, Aerys, Barristan, Hoster Tully, Bobby's dad
>series of epic battles
>bad guy is a giant with two heads
Probably couldn't shoehorn enough women and minorities into it though