This is best fighter available for export the next 3 decades

The only fighter better is the F22 and no way US exports the raptor

KF21 mogs everything else and its not even close, KAI will sell 3000+ over the next 3 decades units

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to see it kill chinks. Can't we dismantle China and distribute the land and wealth already?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, China and Russia are both going to fractionalize eventually

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >any nation
      >distributing land and wealth to anyone but a handful of families who are already obscenely wealthy and already own more land than most small countries
      lol, lmao even.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is it better than the F-35?

    It's not even 5th gen.

    Also, both Europe and Japan are working on 6th gen fighter projects for export in the next 10-20 years.

    So it certainly wont be the "best" fighter for export for the next 3 decades if in 1-2 decades there is a 6th gen on the export market. Not to mention, it's still not even 5th gen so the F-35 CURRENTLY on the export market (for most western nations) is already better than the KF21.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      KF21 > F35

      KF21 mach 1.8, 60,000 feet operating ceiling 9+ g

      F35 mach 1.6, 50,000 feet operating ceiling ~7g

      The only "advantage" F35 is better stealth but the latest technology makes 99% of all stealth in the skies obsolete as targeting systems are a lot more sophisticated when the current stealth tech became operational

      Dassault already announced their 6th gen will be no earlier than 2050+, implying never

      Britain and Japan figured out they can't even 5th gen so have a joint effort collab and have no realistic intentions with a comically small allocated symbolic budget which is really their way of asking LM to sell them more F35s

      China and Russia are obviously crap that would get blown out of the skies by a 1970s era F16 and their "weapons" have to be discounted at least 2 gens, so if they eventually claim 6th gen then its probably a proper 4th gen

      F22 is the best but US only, will not be exported until the successor to the NGAD is operational so probably ~3 decades

      KF21 development cycle was 5 years, it will upgrade a half gen every 5 years so will be a proper operational 6th gen around 2035 and 7th gen by 2045

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >F35 mach 1.6, 50,000 feet operating ceiling ~7g
        moron, that's the F-35B.

        The F-35A is 9g+

        Also, dog fighting doesn't exist anymore, the F-35 is a stealthy missile boat or light bomber. It's a multi-role.

        > KF21 development cycle was 5 years, it will upgrade a half gen every 5 years so will be a proper operational 6th gen around 2035 and 7th gen by 2045

        You're making shit up and you're not even good at it.

        KF21 wont even start Block III (when it gets internal weapons bay to make it MAYBE a 5th gen) until 2030 at the EARLIEST, and the first 2-3 years of production will be for SK domestic use, not the export market. The earliest an export customer could expect to see a single 5th gen KF21 delivered would likely be in the 2035-2037 timeframe.

        Pretending they'll be doing 6th gen in 2035 is delusional cope, you have to be a korean if you HONESTLY believe any of that.

        Hell, even the SK government plans will tell you it wont be 5th gen until the early to mid 2030s at BEST, and could easily slip depending how manufacturing of Block I and II go.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Development timetable can certainly get extended but in the case of KAI its going to make a difference of +/- 5 years and no way near the ~30 years that France, Britain and Japan is signaling, the pace of development is accelerating exponentially and its going to be increasingly clear which countries can actually keep up

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's all gonna work out flawlessly for KAI, +/- 5 years max
            >Japan and UK can never make a 6th gen even in 20+ years

            lmao okay

            You do know japan ALREADY made a 5th gen stealth plane...right?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lolol not even a proper 5th gen let alone being several decades from operationalh0T8M2

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Based on what?

                You think you have ANY actual clue how good/bad it is?

                It was a Japanese company that provided the radar absorbing fibers that the US then took and processed for use on the F-22.

                It's not like japan isn't capable of building modern planes either, they domestically produce their own F-16 variant.

                From what has been said publically the RCS of the X-2 5th gen was not as good as the US stuff, but still decent with a Japanese official comparing its RCS to the size of a beetle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > domestically produce f16 variant

                The f16 is a 1970s vintage platform but yes Japan could probably produce an f16 today just as another 50+ countries could too if it allocated enough resources

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yes they probably could
                They built 98 of them between 1995 and 2011.

                No "could" about it.

                Also the F-2 was like 80% different from the F-16. So not like they just copied the US blueprints.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you realize how stupid your post is? Lol so they built a small amount of 70s tech over a 16 year period 2 to 4 decades after the tech was initially developed brainlet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the Block 40 (1989/90) F-16 that's been heavily modified and uses the engine from the F-16 Block 50 (the final F-16 block for the US from the 1990s)

                By contrast, South Korea was producing the KF-16 (just a direct copy of the F-16 Block 50) domestically, but they didn't change anything about the design.

                IDK about you, but i'd rather bet on the country that has produced their own heavily modified domestic version of a 4th gen fighter, developed and flown a 5th gen demonstrator. and are ~3+ years and hundreds of millions of dollars invested into a 6th gen development project. Especially when the competition we're comparing to has only ever built 4th gen fighters, and the KF-21 is their first domestic-designed fighter and it's still 4th gen (4.5+ if you want to be nice).

                Does the KF-21 have potential? Of course. But to claim it's somehow going to BTFO the Japanese 6th gen project and the UK's 6th gen project is just delusional levels of cope.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason why SK did not modify the US F16 is because the US F16 is far superior to the Japanese knock-off, as usual this is Japan's playbook way before China, think of it this way there is not a single nation in human history that has ever purchased a Japanese made jet fighter to include their attempted knock-offs

                There are a lot of nations that have development level 5th or even 6th gens (some of the US mic players have development prototypes that would make even 6th gen look archaic) but to be operational is a completely different story, there is no nation that has been able to mass produce operational 5th gen fighters except the US, and other than the US the closest nation to mass producing 4.5 gen fighters is SK which will occur in the next year or so

                Its theoretically possible that Britain and Japan can eventually develop a 6th gen just like many other nations can but its going to take 2 or 3+ decades maybe more, but realistically its never going to happen, neither has a track record of developing advanced jet fighters

                Realistically countries like Turkey and Sweden are far ahead of Britain and Japan in military aerospace, France is light years ahead of Britain and Japan in military aerospace and even Dassault publicly announced that it will be no earlier than 2050 before they can have operational 6th gen fighters

                So that leaves the US and secondarily SK as the only nations that will have advanced jet fighter production for the next several decades or more

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there is not a single nation in human history that has ever purchased a Japanese made jet fighter
                Are we ignoring the fact Japan constitutionally forbade the export of arms before 2015?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The is part of the reason why japan will never have a serious mic industry, the systemic culture for ~70 years has been about as opposed to militaries as it gets probably more so than any other nation on the planet, to change this culture will take generations, potentially centuries if at all even possible anymore in a peace time scenario where there is no large scale war that involves japan

                So the fact remains no nation has ever bought a japanese jet fighter in history regardless of the reasons why, japan is simply not a serious player in mic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                UK/Japan are the most likely to have a fighter with wide spread export success in the next 3 decades. South Korea MIGHT play a role too, but likely not as significant as UK/Japan have the potential to be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lolololol not you are obviously just shitposting, neither UK or Japan have ever done shit in aerospace mic and to think any nation would buy the garbage that would come out of this is comical, but thats even too much to assume because everybody, most especially the brits and japs, know this is never going to be in the skies, not even exaggerating, a fighter from india or brazil would probably be better than uk/japan, this isn't tea time or a sushi contest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KF21 is the closest aircraft to an F22, on a one-v-one situation KF21 beats F35 100 out of 100 times

                have a nice day moronshill

                The countries that made the Spitfire and the Zero in WWII are somehow less capable of making a modern fighter than India or brazil?

                have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Delusional brainlet posting sentences like a chud, the one part I do agree with you is that the spitfire and zero are the best that these borderline thirdie nations can scrap together

                Now go back to stuffing your shithole with bbc its the only thing you do well with knowledge and experience gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You‘re just embarrassing yourself at this point. How could you forget about the probably best manufacturer of plane engines (Rolls Royce). You really are delusional

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In all seriousness, rolls royce makes solid engines maybe objectively among the best, but there is a world of difference between making components and pulling off a proper advanced jet fighter

                I will give credit where credit is due, UK is world class in aircraft engines and nuclear submarine tech, thats about it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The real kino alliance is SK + Japan, these two countries could rule the world

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ceilings and top speed mattering on afterburning aircraft
        ISHYGDADT

        Better stealth, probably better AESA, better EW, better IRST, better MAW, and better DL, and an actual HMD. KF-21 is a vanity project designed to maybe make a good plane eventually.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Indian Shill

        Bruh it's not even better than the Rafale or typhoon for that matter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmfao now you are just shitposting, the entire world knows both are garbage and why every nation that participated in the eurofighter is desperately trying to get the f35 and even france behind the scenes wants the f35 but US mic doesn’t trust the frogs enough to pull a china/singapore style tech stealing maneuver

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >KF21 mach 1.8, 60,000 feet operating ceiling 9+ g
        Clean, with minimal fuel. What's the speed and ceiling with a combat load-out and 50% fuel?
        >F35 mach 1.6, 50,000 feet operating ceiling ~7g
        The F-35A is 9g+, 50kft with a combat load-out and 50% fuel.
        >The only "advantage" F35 is better stealth but the latest technology makes 99% of all stealth in the skies obsolete as targeting systems are a lot more sophisticated when the current stealth tech became operational

        PART 1/3

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you keep repeating this, but can't substantiate your claims? I'll just copy your and my posts from your other thread:

          [...]

          [...]

          >not to mention the "stealth" only works on certain spectrums
          All spectrums used by military, yeah.
          >there are many spectrums that will be impossible to cover up by "stealth" tech
          The F-35 is invisible from HF to V bands. So, no.
          >The F-35 also has excellent RAM bonded to the composite panels, making it extremely difficult to detect - if not impossible.
          >The composite absorbs radar in a frequency range from about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the radar.
          >Radar absorbing composite materials of the present invention are particularly effective, for example, in the L- through K-band as described herein further below.
          https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100271253

          https://www.ineffableisland.com/2010/06/lockheed-martin-discloses-carbon.html
          https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=197759
          https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/136859-advanced-in-ram-make-low-frequency-radar-much-less-effective-in-future
          https://theaviationist.com/2020/07/05/new-and-old-f-35-coatings-compared-in-recent-photo-of-two-italian-lightning-ii-jets/
          https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=53014
          >again this is already being developed
          By who? And what is it?
          >Without giving away too much the nextgen will be jet fighters that can operate in low orbit space with AI defense + drones with laser guns that can neutralize an unlimited amount of missiles at the speed of light, AI version of point and shoot
          Now I know you're retarded.

          PART 2/3

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >F22 is the best but US only, will not be exported until the successor to the NGAD is operational so probably ~3 decades
            The NGAD will be operational in 2030. The F-22 is testing software, hardware, and stealth/IR skins for the NGAD. The F-22 will get whatever software, hardware, and skin that will adapt to it from the NGAD. It's also getting stealth pods; one for IRST, and one for EA. So, no, it won't ever get exported.
            >KF21 development cycle was 5 years, it will upgrade a half gen every 5 years
            The KF-X program started in 2001, interest died until 2010 when it picked up again. It won't be delivered until 2026 at the earliest.
            >so will be a proper operational 6th gen around 2035
            The KF-21 gen 4+ won't even be IOC until then.
            >7th gen by 2045
            No.
            PART 3/3
            Now, fuck off with your retarded shilling, moron mutt.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's just going to claim your sources are irrelevant and only his are accurate, then call you a seething nip/kraut and throw in a few gays for good measure. It's not worth engaging this guy and I wish starting an FA-50/KF-21 thread was an automatic ban at this point. Don't even have anything against the planes themselves or actual koreans from when I was over there but these threads are fucking insufferable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > wall of text of falsehoods

            There are over 100+ spectrums that are obviously near impossible to cover with stealth tech, several are already implemented in tracking/targeting systems that 99% of stealth today is effectively irrelevant

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lel. What you are talking about is the range but even then, it's effective since a 5 and 5.001 GHz will still have the same properties.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >over 9,000 spectrums
              If there was a frequency which defeated stealth, it would have been discovered by Lockheed in the fucking 1970s, and by the Soviets no later than the 1980s. And we wouldn't have invested billions in stealth airframes.

              How can people be this dumb?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > all tech that can be discovered has been discovered ages ago

                Do you realize that there are technologies that can target an track dark matter the size of a pinheada billion+ miles away traveling at close to the speed of light? Of course you don't brainlet, but that is the way we want it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also by not being aware of the laser gun mounted on nextgen fighters its painfully obvious you are a noob that knows nothing about what is being developed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/wp9U16r.jpg

      >it's all gonna work out flawlessly for KAI, +/- 5 years max
      >Japan and UK can never make a 6th gen even in 20+ years

      lmao okay

      You do know japan ALREADY made a 5th gen stealth plane...right?

      It's the Block 40 (1989/90) F-16 that's been heavily modified and uses the engine from the F-16 Block 50 (the final F-16 block for the US from the 1990s)

      By contrast, South Korea was producing the KF-16 (just a direct copy of the F-16 Block 50) domestically, but they didn't change anything about the design.

      IDK about you, but i'd rather bet on the country that has produced their own heavily modified domestic version of a 4th gen fighter, developed and flown a 5th gen demonstrator. and are ~3+ years and hundreds of millions of dollars invested into a 6th gen development project. Especially when the competition we're comparing to has only ever built 4th gen fighters, and the KF-21 is their first domestic-designed fighter and it's still 4th gen (4.5+ if you want to be nice).

      Does the KF-21 have potential? Of course. But to claim it's somehow going to BTFO the Japanese 6th gen project and the UK's 6th gen project is just delusional levels of cope.

      UK/Japan are the most likely to have a fighter with wide spread export success in the next 3 decades. South Korea MIGHT play a role too, but likely not as significant as UK/Japan have the potential to be.

      [...]
      have a nice day moronshill

      The countries that made the Spitfire and the Zero in WWII are somehow less capable of making a modern fighter than India or brazil?

      have a nice day.

      Seething weebs detected. Hiding behind bongs is the new strat now?
      Literal vatnik levels of cope thinking that bong/nip early version "6th gen" wont be anything other than just 5th gen with drone compatability. KAI has made it obvious that the KF-21 will also have drone compatability so the product will be literally the same. Difference is that KAI is actively working on it now and making sales left and right while bongs/nips just got started and are already making statements about delays.
      Only the US can make an actual 6th gen and maybe the frogs. Bongs/nips literally delusional in thinking they can keep up. Not even the japs wanted their shitty little "5th gen" and instead just bought over a hundred gaijin planes.
      You tards keep making these false flag threads trying to rally hate against Korea and yet get btfod every single time because people unironically think that KAI makes some solid planes. A Korean fucking trainer is a better sucessor to the F-16 than the shitty F2 trash. At least, the F-16 makers think so.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Only the US can make an actual 6th gen and maybe the frogs.
        France has never made a domestic stealth plane so I have serious doubts about them leapfrogging 4-to-6.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Neither have the bongs. And like I said, the even the nips thought that their pathetic little prototype is worthless.
          But at least the rafale is actually worth something and people are buying it, unlike the eurofighter. And while the entire world is looking for more F-16s, nobody even so much as mentions the f2, not even japs.
          The bong/nip "6th gen" is just a faggy little desperate attempt to keep up with France and SK.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This.

            France/Dassault publicly announced that a 6th gen will be no earlier than 2050, tacitly implying potentially never

            France is about a decade ahead of the UK, the UK is about three decades ahead of Japan, aerospace miltech only

            So almost by default its US then SK, that's about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > KAI has made it obvious that the KF-21 will also have drone compatability so the product will be literally the same

        The operative difference is that the KAI product is actually real compared to the imaginary hopeshill from bong/nips

        > Not even the japs wanted their shitty little "5th gen" and instead just bought over a hundred gaijin planes

        Nips have never had an indigenous jet fighter, the closest they ever got was knock-offs of dated US tech that on paper looked comparable but in reality was a massive downgrade that they assumed would never see real combat

        > You tards keep making these false flag threads trying to rally hate against Korea and yet get btfod every single time

        This board and /k in particular is known for the <1% outcasts that simply can't quite fit into anything other than incel/chud lifestyles, 99%+ of the world has bought into F22 > KF21 or F35 (more F35 but deep down its generally being recognized that KF21 could actually be better) > everything else, simple as

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Impressive.

    With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Korean dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Korean quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which Korea affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Korea don’t believe in flying reptiles, their national animal is the siberian tiger

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did you start a new thread, when you already have one up here:

    [...]

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so fucking tired of these blatant moronshill threads

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The only fighter better is the F22
    It's literally just a budget F-35, like, that's the entire selling point. Lockheed sold them a ton of stuff, but the US government blocked some radar and electronic warfare tech. I still think it's a cool jet and has potential to sell well, but the F-35 already has a cheap flyaway cost and is perfect for export.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >KAI will sell 3000+ over the next 3 decades units
    Who the fuck is going to buy 3000 4.5+/5th gen fighters when the F-35 has already sold 1500+ to the export market.

    No one else that can afford to operate a new 5th gen is going to want the KF-21 except the countries that can't get permission to buy the F-35. If SK wants to play local hegemony in the south east they can subsidize the KF-21 for some of the nations in the region, but I can't see it having a massive 3000+ export market.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The KF21 and the F35 are complementary and fulfill different roles

      Yes every nation with an F35 would greatly prefer the F22 over the KF21 but never going to happen at least for the next 30+ years

      Its why some countries buy both the F15 and the F16

      The market for the KF21 is going to be essentially every country to include most of Europe, the real problem is which countries will be cleared to acquire the KF21, keep in mind that the US blocked KAI from selling even the FA50s to countries like Argentina, Uzbekistan, and a few others due to security issues, the KF21 will be even greater of a security hurdle

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DAILY REMINDER That KF-21 were designed and totally funded by INDONESIA. Without INDONESIA critical contribution, those dog-eating Korean couldn't even be able to do shit nor drawing a goddamned blueprints.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Countries like italy, spain and oman funded the eurofighter typhoon, does that mean it would not have been possible without these thirdie countries?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the fuck up Malingshit

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rangeban South Korea

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F35 would eat the KF21 alive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it'll have nothing on the KF21C, with its 11 secret stealths and radars

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    KF21 is the closest aircraft to an F22, on a one-v-one situation KF21 beats F35 100 out of 100 times

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's what would happen if the F-16 and F-35 had a retarded baby.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't the KF21 not have internal weapon bars?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not until the 2030s

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